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	<title>Comments on: GM Wins Friends and Influences People: Sues CAW for $1.5m</title>
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		<title>By: menno</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/gm-to-caw-let-us-back-in-to-oshawa-eh/comment-page-1/#comment-503882</link>
		<dc:creator>menno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 19:59:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just read the article in The Star and I&#039;m totally unimpressed. 

Remind me not to bother ever buying a vacation home in Canada.  Property rights apparently mean nothing in your fair country.  

I&#039;d actually considered doing so, but naw.  Not now. Not ever. 

Besides which I&#039;m a Christian and apparently, folks like me are unwelcome in your nation.  Certainly, it would appear that you don&#039;t have freedom of speech in your once-fair nation any more.  At least, that appears to be the case for Christians, anyway.  But as Pastor Neimiller said &quot;first they came for... and when they came for me nobody was left to stand up for me...&quot; so you&#039;d best watch your rights if mine are &quot;disappeared&quot; for the sake of PCness.  Yours are next.  

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&amp;pageId=66704

So while I&#039;ve already planned a big expensive vacation in Alberta in July, I don&#039;t think I&#039;ll be coming back after that.  Maybe Belize vacations are in order, in future.  Besides, they apparently have prettier beaches and I already live on the great lakes so can enjoy the beaches in Michigan and not travel far.  

But the rot isn&#039;t just in Canada.  It&#039;s in the USA too.  

So my planned vacation next year to Colorado?  No way.  Fugedaboudit.  Why would I spend money there after reading this?!  

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&amp;pageId=66829 

Just as folks with a worldling lifestyle and viewpoint have a right to not spend money where they disagree with another&#039;s opinion, SO DO I.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->I just read the article in The Star and I&#8217;m totally unimpressed. </p>
<p>Remind me not to bother ever buying a vacation home in Canada.  Property rights apparently mean nothing in your fair country.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;d actually considered doing so, but naw.  Not now. Not ever. </p>
<p>Besides which I&#8217;m a Christian and apparently, folks like me are unwelcome in your nation.  Certainly, it would appear that you don&#8217;t have freedom of speech in your once-fair nation any more.  At least, that appears to be the case for Christians, anyway.  But as Pastor Neimiller said &#8220;first they came for&#8230; and when they came for me nobody was left to stand up for me&#8230;&#8221; so you&#8217;d best watch your rights if mine are &#8220;disappeared&#8221; for the sake of PCness.  Yours are next.  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&amp;pageId=66704" rel="nofollow">http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&amp;pageId=66704</a></p>
<p>So while I&#8217;ve already planned a big expensive vacation in Alberta in July, I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ll be coming back after that.  Maybe Belize vacations are in order, in future.  Besides, they apparently have prettier beaches and I already live on the great lakes so can enjoy the beaches in Michigan and not travel far.  </p>
<p>But the rot isn&#8217;t just in Canada.  It&#8217;s in the USA too.  </p>
<p>So my planned vacation next year to Colorado?  No way.  Fugedaboudit.  Why would I spend money there after reading this?!  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&amp;pageId=66829" rel="nofollow">http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&amp;pageId=66829</a> </p>
<p>Just as folks with a worldling lifestyle and viewpoint have a right to not spend money where they disagree with another&#8217;s opinion, SO DO I.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: AGR</title>
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		<dc:creator>AGR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 16:44:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would seem that the population of Oshawa and Durham Region is siding with the CAW...its not in the best interest of Durham Regional Police to side with GM in this instance. 

Durham Region has been a strong supporter of GM for years, and GM made its presence felt in Durham Region for many years. 

Durham Regional Police needs to support of the population especially in Oshawa.

An article from today&#039;s The Star...&lt;a href=&quot;http://wheels.ca/reviews/article/258182&quot;&gt;Click&lt;/a&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->It would seem that the population of Oshawa and Durham Region is siding with the CAW&#8230;its not in the best interest of Durham Regional Police to side with GM in this instance. </p>
<p>Durham Region has been a strong supporter of GM for years, and GM made its presence felt in Durham Region for many years. </p>
<p>Durham Regional Police needs to support of the population especially in Oshawa.</p>
<p>An article from today&#8217;s The Star&#8230;<a href="http://wheels.ca/reviews/article/258182">Click</a><!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: menno</title>
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		<dc:creator>menno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 15:41:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m afraid the UAW (I know, I know this is CAW but they were once one and the same) lost me when I learned that the UAW HQ management refused to &quot;allow&quot; their cleaning staff to unionize.  After that, I knew what kind of people they were and I pretty well have written them off as (insert unmentionable commentary not fit for a family publication online commentary here, use your imagination, people!)  Heh.</description>
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		<title>By: rev0lver</title>
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		<dc:creator>rev0lver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 14:59:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>menno:

Unfortunately the police inaction is typical here in Canada.

In instances of illegal peaceful (or even semi peaceful) protests the cops don&#039;t do shit.

The Ipperwash crisis pretty much stopped all police action in these cases. Ipperwash

I know that aboriginal issues are different, but similarities still exist.</description>
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<p>Unfortunately the police inaction is typical here in Canada.</p>
<p>In instances of illegal peaceful (or even semi peaceful) protests the cops don&#8217;t do shit.</p>
<p>The Ipperwash crisis pretty much stopped all police action in these cases. Ipperwash</p>
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		<title>By: menno</title>
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		<dc:creator>menno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 14:19:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder how the CAW and the police (which aren&#039;t doing their jobs - what a surprise) would feel if GM said &quot;fuggit&quot; and pulled the tools, machinery and robots for the Impala and Buick still built in Oshawa Car plant, and sent them to Mexico or to one of the &quot;to-be-closed&quot; US plants, closed out the Oshawa HQ, sold it off and laid everyone off?  

I&#039;m pretty certain there would still be unsold stock in dealers in the time it would take to make the switch-over.  

Sure, GM sales would crater in Oshawa.  The rest of Canada would relish a (purposeful) price-drop and sales might even increase.

I hope for the sake of Mikey and the rest, that this does not happen.  But hey, blocking the entrance to the Corporate HQ for days?  That&#039;s going to accomplish exactly WHAT for the CAW?  

I&#039;m not holding GM harmless.  They&#039;re skumbums, too. 

But the OPP and/or the Mounties have some &#039;splainin&#039; to do about why they won&#039;t uphold the law of the Canadian land.  With a country like Russia, or 3rd world countries, one might expect this kind of thing; not in Canada.  Eh? 

Maybe the CAW should (as I mentioned previously elsewhere in another post) pony up some dough-ray-me and ask that GM match funds to bring the production of the Zafira micro-vans to Oshawa, potentailly saving some of these jobs.  The vehicles could use the Ecotech fours (as seen in the Cobalt) and would be a worth competitor to the Mazda 5 and Kia Rhondo (which, at least locally, are selling like ice cream in July).  

But then that would mean the CAW would actually have to put their own money where their mouth is, something socialist types rarely want to do - they don&#039;t mind demanding that other folks pony up money, of course.... 

Ask GM to make the Oshawa plants a 50/50 Joint Venture between the CAW and GM and see what magic you can do.  What have you got to lose, Buzz and co?  Except all of those jobs, of course...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->I wonder how the CAW and the police (which aren&#8217;t doing their jobs &#8211; what a surprise) would feel if GM said &#8220;fuggit&#8221; and pulled the tools, machinery and robots for the Impala and Buick still built in Oshawa Car plant, and sent them to Mexico or to one of the &#8220;to-be-closed&#8221; US plants, closed out the Oshawa HQ, sold it off and laid everyone off?  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m pretty certain there would still be unsold stock in dealers in the time it would take to make the switch-over.  </p>
<p>Sure, GM sales would crater in Oshawa.  The rest of Canada would relish a (purposeful) price-drop and sales might even increase.</p>
<p>I hope for the sake of Mikey and the rest, that this does not happen.  But hey, blocking the entrance to the Corporate HQ for days?  That&#8217;s going to accomplish exactly WHAT for the CAW?  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not holding GM harmless.  They&#8217;re skumbums, too. </p>
<p>But the OPP and/or the Mounties have some &#8217;splainin&#8217; to do about why they won&#8217;t uphold the law of the Canadian land.  With a country like Russia, or 3rd world countries, one might expect this kind of thing; not in Canada.  Eh? </p>
<p>Maybe the CAW should (as I mentioned previously elsewhere in another post) pony up some dough-ray-me and ask that GM match funds to bring the production of the Zafira micro-vans to Oshawa, potentailly saving some of these jobs.  The vehicles could use the Ecotech fours (as seen in the Cobalt) and would be a worth competitor to the Mazda 5 and Kia Rhondo (which, at least locally, are selling like ice cream in July).  </p>
<p>But then that would mean the CAW would actually have to put their own money where their mouth is, something socialist types rarely want to do &#8211; they don&#8217;t mind demanding that other folks pony up money, of course&#8230;. </p>
<p>Ask GM to make the Oshawa plants a 50/50 Joint Venture between the CAW and GM and see what magic you can do.  What have you got to lose, Buzz and co?  Except all of those jobs, of course&#8230;<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: daro31</title>
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		<dc:creator>daro31</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 11:29:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1.5 Million, so GM has figured out a way to make a profit....</description>
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		<title>By: Gardiner Westbound</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gardiner Westbound</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 08:50:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Update: Police ignoring blockade: GM

Told ya!

http://tinyurl.com/3jo9ja</description>
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<p>Told ya!</p>
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		<title>By: unleashed</title>
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		<dc:creator>unleashed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 06:47:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mikey wrote:

&lt;em&gt;Engine sludge? It was a VW not a Toyota.&lt;/em&gt;

The VW/Audi 1.8T engines are sludge-prone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->mikey wrote:</p>
<p><em>Engine sludge? It was a VW not a Toyota.</em></p>
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		<title>By: rocket88</title>
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		<dc:creator>rocket88</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 01:58:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i agree with oboylepr and some others 100% .  The CAW has completely lost the support of the public. No one gives a damn for them.  and even worse, if they make a car, im not sure i want it.  (many many people feel this way)
This is 2008, not 1938.  The excess costs (dollars and lost productivity) they imposed on the manufactures which were paid by the public - thats right, you and me - over all these years, will be paid no more.  If the CAW goes to zero, i dont care one iota.  They stiffed us all for alot of years.  Buzz makes me sick. and our own pride and joy Ken Lewenza too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->i agree with oboylepr and some others 100% .  The CAW has completely lost the support of the public. No one gives a damn for them.  and even worse, if they make a car, im not sure i want it.  (many many people feel this way)<br />
This is 2008, not 1938.  The excess costs (dollars and lost productivity) they imposed on the manufactures which were paid by the public &#8211; thats right, you and me &#8211; over all these years, will be paid no more.  If the CAW goes to zero, i dont care one iota.  They stiffed us all for alot of years.  Buzz makes me sick. and our own pride and joy Ken Lewenza too.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: mikey</title>
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		<dc:creator>mikey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 01:31:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Engine sludge?It was a VW not a Toyota.VWs reliable?Maybe a 1966 bug thats the last one I can remember.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Engine sludge?It was a VW not a Toyota.VWs reliable?Maybe a 1966 bug thats the last one I can remember.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: NICKNICK</title>
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		<dc:creator>NICKNICK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 01:16:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mikey--sadly, it&#039;ll be the kids in management that would stab you in the back that will be leading the company.  ruthlessness and networking trumps talent and a good heart anyday.

and your analogy makes no sense to me.  VWs are always reliable and would never have an engine sludge problem.  that cold air make you crazy?! :)

best of luck to you and your friends in Canadaland</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->mikey&#8211;sadly, it&#8217;ll be the kids in management that would stab you in the back that will be leading the company.  ruthlessness and networking trumps talent and a good heart anyday.</p>
<p>and your analogy makes no sense to me.  VWs are always reliable and would never have an engine sludge problem.  that cold air make you crazy?! :)</p>
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		<title>By: mikey</title>
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		<dc:creator>mikey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 01:07:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah you make a good point lumbergh21.However Buzz has dealt with GM before,and past practice has been,they kept thier word.
  
 If Buzz is guilty of anything its from coming from an earlier time.The era when a mans handshake
and his word meant something.

 Every day in my world I see the younger newer and better educated management.Some of these kids are wonderfull.Some of them would stick a knife in your back in a heartbeat.So I guess we know wich group of kids made the recent agreement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Yeah you make a good point lumbergh21.However Buzz has dealt with GM before,and past practice has been,they kept thier word.</p>
<p> If Buzz is guilty of anything its from coming from an earlier time.The era when a mans handshake<br />
and his word meant something.</p>
<p> Every day in my world I see the younger newer and better educated management.Some of these kids are wonderfull.Some of them would stick a knife in your back in a heartbeat.So I guess we know wich group of kids made the recent agreement.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: daro31</title>
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		<dc:creator>daro31</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 00:36:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dealing with the any of the Big 3 is like asking your little sister for a promise. When they break it they just say &quot;I had my fingers crossed.&quot; Buzz should have know better. 

Just like Henry Ford they all think they are so important that their S..t doesn&#039;t stink.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Dealing with the any of the Big 3 is like asking your little sister for a promise. When they break it they just say &#8220;I had my fingers crossed.&#8221; Buzz should have know better. </p>
<p>Just like Henry Ford they all think they are so important that their S..t doesn&#8217;t stink.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Facebook User</title>
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		<dc:creator>Facebook User</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 00:19:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;mikey : 
June 11th, 2008 at 4:58 pm 


No I would not want anybody to blockade my home
Lumbergh 21.Say I sold you a VW and give you my word that it woudn,t break down for 3 years.Now you tell your family,you payed a good buck for it cause mikey assured you 3yrs good driving.

Now 2 weeks later the motor siezes and leaves your wife on the side of the road.So you call me up and I tell ya,well sometimes VWs do that.Like 2 weeks ago it was knocking and hammering so I poured in some STP and some 50 weight oil.Who would of thought it would do that?

I’m not going to be shocked if I see Lumbergh21 and his wife and his 3 strapping sons with thier angry dog standing in my driveway.

Legally your screwed cause I’m gonn’a call the cops and you are gonn’a vacate my driveway.

But for sure whatever respect you once had for mikey is gone.And I will bet my ass you will never buy another car from him.
&lt;/em&gt;
While I do not see that as a valid comparison, I guess that makes me Buzz in this analogy and my wife and kids the union workers.  I would say that I didn&#039;t practice due dilligence and am a fool.  Of course, the difference is that Buzz isn&#039;t out any money; the union workers are.

A better analogy would be somebody sells my client some &quot;prime&quot; lake front property for $40,000, and I tell me client this is a good deal, this kind of property normally costs $100,000+ per acre.  My client sees the property and signs the purchase agreement.  A few weeks later my client goes up to view the property and starts making plans for building his dream house.  He goes to the local public works department to get a building permit and finds out that the property has no water service, won&#039;t have any water service due to a lack of potable water, and he is not even allowed to drill his own well, as the local CSD (the one without sufficient water) has sole right to supply water to that area.  If I was honest and responsible, I would have found out the status of the property and woudl have warned my client this wasn&#039;t a good deal.  Who should the client be most angry with?  The prior owner (GM) who made no representations as to the ability to build on the property (it can still be used for recreational activity such as camping and fishing).  Or, the agent (Buzz) who was &quot;acting on his client&#039;s behalf&quot; yet chose to look the other way or just didn&#039;t care to take the time to practice due diligence in order to protect his client who was paying him.

If anything, the union workers should be outside union headquarters or Buzz&#039;s house voicing their displeasure with Buzz.</description>
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<p>No I would not want anybody to blockade my home<br />
Lumbergh 21.Say I sold you a VW and give you my word that it woudn,t break down for 3 years.Now you tell your family,you payed a good buck for it cause mikey assured you 3yrs good driving.</p>
<p>Now 2 weeks later the motor siezes and leaves your wife on the side of the road.So you call me up and I tell ya,well sometimes VWs do that.Like 2 weeks ago it was knocking and hammering so I poured in some STP and some 50 weight oil.Who would of thought it would do that?</p>
<p>I’m not going to be shocked if I see Lumbergh21 and his wife and his 3 strapping sons with thier angry dog standing in my driveway.</p>
<p>Legally your screwed cause I’m gonn’a call the cops and you are gonn’a vacate my driveway.</p>
<p>But for sure whatever respect you once had for mikey is gone.And I will bet my ass you will never buy another car from him.<br />
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While I do not see that as a valid comparison, I guess that makes me Buzz in this analogy and my wife and kids the union workers.  I would say that I didn&#8217;t practice due dilligence and am a fool.  Of course, the difference is that Buzz isn&#8217;t out any money; the union workers are.</p>
<p>A better analogy would be somebody sells my client some &#8220;prime&#8221; lake front property for $40,000, and I tell me client this is a good deal, this kind of property normally costs $100,000+ per acre.  My client sees the property and signs the purchase agreement.  A few weeks later my client goes up to view the property and starts making plans for building his dream house.  He goes to the local public works department to get a building permit and finds out that the property has no water service, won&#8217;t have any water service due to a lack of potable water, and he is not even allowed to drill his own well, as the local CSD (the one without sufficient water) has sole right to supply water to that area.  If I was honest and responsible, I would have found out the status of the property and woudl have warned my client this wasn&#8217;t a good deal.  Who should the client be most angry with?  The prior owner (GM) who made no representations as to the ability to build on the property (it can still be used for recreational activity such as camping and fishing).  Or, the agent (Buzz) who was &#8220;acting on his client&#8217;s behalf&#8221; yet chose to look the other way or just didn&#8217;t care to take the time to practice due diligence in order to protect his client who was paying him.</p>
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		<title>By: oboylepr</title>
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		<dc:creator>oboylepr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 23:44:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;So GM&#8217;s (million-dollar) suits didn&#8217;t have the balls to tell Buzz what the score was, what&#8217;s new?&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;Or maybe they did.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;I bet Buzz knew what was going down, either way he should have. Buzz&#039;s role in all this is suspicious. He puts on a good show in front of a camera with his rhetoric but he holds his cards tight to his chest. Now, because there is no real hope that Oshawa truck will stay in business he and his union minions are flogging that long dead horse: import tariffs, surcharges on imported vehicles as something that can be changed to keep auto manufacturing in Canada.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;One reads it in the national and local papers about how the playing field is not level and that these jobs are being lost because the current Conservative Federal Government won&#039;t railroad the Japanese and Korean governments to lift the non-existant tariffs off of Canadian made vehicles. It never seems to dawn on Hargrove, Buckley and the rest of them in the CAW that the Japanese and Koreans don&#039;t want our Silverados, Impallas and LaCrosses.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;By banging that drum all the time, it seems like they are really doing something for Oshawa autoworkers while all the time they are really furthering their own political agendas at the expense of those same autoworkers. In my view, this is where the real betrayal is.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;My sympathies lie with those autoworkers who will lose their jobs but not with those lying SOB&#039;s who purport to represent them. How is it that as the numbers of CAW autoworkers decline in Ontario the number of non-CAW autoworkers increases? Buzz and company better be very careful because before long, all Oshawa will have is the new Camaro which is not exactly the ideal car in today&#039;s fuel price environment. If it does not sell well GM could pull that plug also.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;What was it that was said during WW2? Loose lips sink ships!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<p><em>So GM&rsquo;s (million-dollar) suits didn&rsquo;t have the balls to tell Buzz what the score was, what&rsquo;s new?</em></p>
<p>Or maybe they did.</p>
<p>I bet Buzz knew what was going down, either way he should have. Buzz&#39;s role in all this is suspicious. He puts on a good show in front of a camera with his rhetoric but he holds his cards tight to his chest. Now, because there is no real hope that Oshawa truck will stay in business he and his union minions are flogging that long dead horse: import tariffs, surcharges on imported vehicles as something that can be changed to keep auto manufacturing in Canada.</p>
<p>One reads it in the national and local papers about how the playing field is not level and that these jobs are being lost because the current Conservative Federal Government won&#39;t railroad the Japanese and Korean governments to lift the non-existant tariffs off of Canadian made vehicles. It never seems to dawn on Hargrove, Buckley and the rest of them in the CAW that the Japanese and Koreans don&#39;t want our Silverados, Impallas and LaCrosses.</p>
<p>By banging that drum all the time, it seems like they are really doing something for Oshawa autoworkers while all the time they are really furthering their own political agendas at the expense of those same autoworkers. In my view, this is where the real betrayal is.</p>
<p>My sympathies lie with those autoworkers who will lose their jobs but not with those lying SOB&#39;s who purport to represent them. How is it that as the numbers of CAW autoworkers decline in Ontario the number of non-CAW autoworkers increases? Buzz and company better be very careful because before long, all Oshawa will have is the new Camaro which is not exactly the ideal car in today&#39;s fuel price environment. If it does not sell well GM could pull that plug also.</p>
<p>What was it that was said during WW2? Loose lips sink ships!</p>
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		<title>By: Gardiner Westbound</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gardiner Westbound</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 23:33:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correction: Ontario taxpayers got majorly snookered.

http://tinyurl.com/6878e9</description>
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		<title>By: Chris Haak</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Haak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 23:17:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FYI, there&#039;s a typo toward the end - Oshawa is spelled &#039;Oashawa.&#039;</description>
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		<title>By: oldyak</title>
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		<dc:creator>oldyak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 22:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sorry..not a valid comparison.</description>
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		<title>By: mikey</title>
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		<dc:creator>mikey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 20:58:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No I would not want anybody to blockade my home 
Lumbergh 21.Say I sold you a VW and give you my word that it woudn,t break down for 3 years.Now you tell your family,you payed a good buck for it cause mikey assured you 3yrs good driving.

 Now 2 weeks later the motor siezes and leaves your wife on the side of the road.So you call me up and I tell ya,well sometimes VWs do that.Like 2 weeks ago it was knocking and hammering so I poured in some STP and some 50 weight oil.Who would of thought it would do that?
 
  I&#039;m not going to be shocked if I see Lumbergh21 and his wife and his 3 strapping sons with thier angry dog standing in my driveway.

 Legally your screwed cause I&#039;m gonn&#039;a call the cops and you are gonn&#039;a vacate my driveway.

  But for sure whatever respect you once had for mikey is gone.And I will bet my ass you will never buy another car from him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->No I would not want anybody to blockade my home<br />
Lumbergh 21.Say I sold you a VW and give you my word that it woudn,t break down for 3 years.Now you tell your family,you payed a good buck for it cause mikey assured you 3yrs good driving.</p>
<p> Now 2 weeks later the motor siezes and leaves your wife on the side of the road.So you call me up and I tell ya,well sometimes VWs do that.Like 2 weeks ago it was knocking and hammering so I poured in some STP and some 50 weight oil.Who would of thought it would do that?</p>
<p>  I&#8217;m not going to be shocked if I see Lumbergh21 and his wife and his 3 strapping sons with thier angry dog standing in my driveway.</p>
<p> Legally your screwed cause I&#8217;m gonn&#8217;a call the cops and you are gonn&#8217;a vacate my driveway.</p>
<p>  But for sure whatever respect you once had for mikey is gone.And I will bet my ass you will never buy another car from him.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: NickR</title>
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		<dc:creator>NickR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 20:50:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Next Ford is going to announce the closure of the LVL V10 line at the Windsor plant. Expect this anouncement soon.&lt;/em&gt;

I am astonished that it&#039;s still open.  I thought that had been euthanized long ago.  But yes, if it&#039;s still open, it won&#039;t be for long.</description>
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<p>I am astonished that it&#8217;s still open.  I thought that had been euthanized long ago.  But yes, if it&#8217;s still open, it won&#8217;t be for long.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Samir</title>
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		<dc:creator>Samir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 20:48:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>George Labrador is right. The issue isn&#039;t that GM is producing too many trucks (which it is; as 100+ days of supply indicates). If we accept the premise that market conditions do not change overnight, we must conclude Rick W&#039;s decision to close GM-Oshawa was known before his guys sat down at the negotiating table - which means, clearly, the GM was negotiating in bad faith. So GM&#039;s (million-dollar) suits didn&#039;t have the balls to tell Buzz what the score was, what&#039;s new?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->George Labrador is right. The issue isn&#8217;t that GM is producing too many trucks (which it is; as 100+ days of supply indicates). If we accept the premise that market conditions do not change overnight, we must conclude Rick W&#8217;s decision to close GM-Oshawa was known before his guys sat down at the negotiating table &#8211; which means, clearly, the GM was negotiating in bad faith. So GM&#8217;s (million-dollar) suits didn&#8217;t have the balls to tell Buzz what the score was, what&#8217;s new?<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Edward Niedermeyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edward Niedermeyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 20:47:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Betrayal may be the prevailing emotion in Oshawa, but both sides were invested in the products assembled there. When those products stop selling, both sides lose out. Especially when there&#039;s a &quot;market conditions&quot; clause. 

It&#039;s a testament to GM&#039;s shortsightedness that they &quot;committed&quot; to another contract for truck production. But the fact that CAW is so desperate for GM to continue production of Sierra and Silverado is proof that they can&#039;t see what&#039;s in front of their faces.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/ontario-premier-no-regrets-over-250m-gm-handout/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Besides, Ontario loves GM... right?&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Betrayal may be the prevailing emotion in Oshawa, but both sides were invested in the products assembled there. When those products stop selling, both sides lose out. Especially when there&#8217;s a &#8220;market conditions&#8221; clause. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a testament to GM&#8217;s shortsightedness that they &#8220;committed&#8221; to another contract for truck production. But the fact that CAW is so desperate for GM to continue production of Sierra and Silverado is proof that they can&#8217;t see what&#8217;s in front of their faces.</p>
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		<title>By: George Labrador</title>
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		<dc:creator>George Labrador</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 20:34:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even if Market conditions changed in &quot;three weeks&quot; dont you think that lard ass CEO in Detroit knew he was going to shutter the Oshawa Truck plant, well before his Canadian minions signed the collective agreement? I think that Rick W. has a lot of explaining to do as well</description>
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		<title>By: Gardiner Westbound</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gardiner Westbound</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 20:32:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is little doubt GM snookered Hargrove, majorly. The consensus appears to be it was way past due.

The job action is peaceful because GM has not asked police to remove protesters obstructing its property. It&#039;s extremely doubtful the gendarmes would respond anyway

I doubt the CAW is losing sleep over GM&#039;s suit. The most recent instance of a union boss being penalized for an illegal job action I can recall was Canadian Union of Postal Workers boss Jean-Claude Parrot&#039;s 1980 jailing for defying back to work legislation.</description>
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<p>The job action is peaceful because GM has not asked police to remove protesters obstructing its property. It&#8217;s extremely doubtful the gendarmes would respond anyway</p>
<p>I doubt the CAW is losing sleep over GM&#8217;s suit. The most recent instance of a union boss being penalized for an illegal job action I can recall was Canadian Union of Postal Workers boss Jean-Claude Parrot&#8217;s 1980 jailing for defying back to work legislation.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: psarhjinian</title>
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		<dc:creator>psarhjinian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 20:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How, exactly, does blocking the administration building (quite a ways from the truck plant, by the way) stall production? 

As much as CAW has been stupid in general, Oshawa (the plant), it&#039;s workers and the surrounding city have been very good to GM through some very bad times.

Memo to GM/CAW/Government:  Go down the road to Ford&#039;s Oakville assembly plant (Edge/Flex/MKX) for an example of how this ought to have been handled.</description>
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<p>As much as CAW has been stupid in general, Oshawa (the plant), it&#8217;s workers and the surrounding city have been very good to GM through some very bad times.</p>
<p>Memo to GM/CAW/Government:  Go down the road to Ford&#8217;s Oakville assembly plant (Edge/Flex/MKX) for an example of how this ought to have been handled.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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