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		<title>By: DweezilSFV</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/gm-sales-off-45/comment-page-1/#comment-918112</link>
		<dc:creator>DweezilSFV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 12:55:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Waggy will probably see GM through to the end.

Then enter politics. He&#039;s made for it. Running the govt. after running GM should be a piece of cake.

Think they use the same steering wheel on the Federal Ship Of Fools that they do on the SS GM ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Waggy will probably see GM through to the end.</p>
<p>Then enter politics. He&#8217;s made for it. Running the govt. after running GM should be a piece of cake.</p>
<p>Think they use the same steering wheel on the Federal Ship Of Fools that they do on the SS GM ?<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Stein X Leikanger</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/gm-sales-off-45/comment-page-1/#comment-917911</link>
		<dc:creator>Stein X Leikanger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 06:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GM over the past ten years has been an epic study in value destruction - and every single step of the fray the blame was always due to &quot;circumstances being out of control,&quot; to which GM management were the hapless victims ...

I was somewhat involved, many years ago. Just being exposed to how GM was &quot;thinking&quot; froze your brain, and left you with the conclusion that this was going to blow up big one day.

That day is here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->GM over the past ten years has been an epic study in value destruction &#8211; and every single step of the fray the blame was always due to &#8220;circumstances being out of control,&#8221; to which GM management were the hapless victims &#8230;</p>
<p>I was somewhat involved, many years ago. Just being exposed to how GM was &#8220;thinking&#8221; froze your brain, and left you with the conclusion that this was going to blow up big one day.</p>
<p>That day is here.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: luscious</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/gm-sales-off-45/comment-page-1/#comment-917702</link>
		<dc:creator>luscious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 03:49:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for reminding me, I promised the other day I&#039;d post this again...knowing full well that darkness is setting in:

You&#039;ve seen life through distorted eyes
You know you had to learn
The execution of your mind
You really had to turn
The race is run the book is read
The end begins to show
The truth is out, the lies are old
But you don&#039;t want to know

Nobody will ever let you know
When you ask the reasons why
They just tell you that you&#039;re on your own
Fill your head all full of lies

The people who have crippled you
You want to see them burn
The gates of life have closed on you
And now there&#039;s just no return
Youre wishing that the hands of doom
Could take your mind away
And you don&#039;t care if you don&#039;t see again
The light of day

Nobody will ever let you know
When you ask the reasons why
They just tell you that you&#039;re on your own
Fill your head all full of lies

Where can you run to
What more can you do
No more tomorrow
Life is killing you
Dreams turn to nightmares
Heaven turns to hell
Burned out confusion
Nothing more to tell

Everything around you
Whats it coming to
God knows as your dog knows
Bog blast all of you
Sabbath bloody sabbath
Nothing more to do
Living just for dying
Dying just for you

Sabbath, Bloody Sabbath
-Black Sabbath

Ricky, I hope you get totally sloshed drinking your fine Merlot this Thanksgiving.  Oh the stories...OH THE STORIES around the dinner table!!!

Please remember to tell EVERYONE how &quot;unfair&quot; things have been to you.  

&quot;Why, I no longer get free car washes anymore...what&#039;s this world coming to!!!&quot;.  

&quot;Let them eat Stove Top and one of those pressed Turkey guts...I mean &quot;loaves&quot;!!!&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Thanks for reminding me, I promised the other day I&#8217;d post this again&#8230;knowing full well that darkness is setting in:</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve seen life through distorted eyes<br />
You know you had to learn<br />
The execution of your mind<br />
You really had to turn<br />
The race is run the book is read<br />
The end begins to show<br />
The truth is out, the lies are old<br />
But you don&#8217;t want to know</p>
<p>Nobody will ever let you know<br />
When you ask the reasons why<br />
They just tell you that you&#8217;re on your own<br />
Fill your head all full of lies</p>
<p>The people who have crippled you<br />
You want to see them burn<br />
The gates of life have closed on you<br />
And now there&#8217;s just no return<br />
Youre wishing that the hands of doom<br />
Could take your mind away<br />
And you don&#8217;t care if you don&#8217;t see again<br />
The light of day</p>
<p>Nobody will ever let you know<br />
When you ask the reasons why<br />
They just tell you that you&#8217;re on your own<br />
Fill your head all full of lies</p>
<p>Where can you run to<br />
What more can you do<br />
No more tomorrow<br />
Life is killing you<br />
Dreams turn to nightmares<br />
Heaven turns to hell<br />
Burned out confusion<br />
Nothing more to tell</p>
<p>Everything around you<br />
Whats it coming to<br />
God knows as your dog knows<br />
Bog blast all of you<br />
Sabbath bloody sabbath<br />
Nothing more to do<br />
Living just for dying<br />
Dying just for you</p>
<p>Sabbath, Bloody Sabbath<br />
-Black Sabbath</p>
<p>Ricky, I hope you get totally sloshed drinking your fine Merlot this Thanksgiving.  Oh the stories&#8230;OH THE STORIES around the dinner table!!!</p>
<p>Please remember to tell EVERYONE how &#8220;unfair&#8221; things have been to you.  </p>
<p>&#8220;Why, I no longer get free car washes anymore&#8230;what&#8217;s this world coming to!!!&#8221;.  </p>
<p>&#8220;Let them eat Stove Top and one of those pressed Turkey guts&#8230;I mean &#8220;loaves&#8221;!!!&#8221;.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: theflyersfan</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/gm-sales-off-45/comment-page-1/#comment-917652</link>
		<dc:creator>theflyersfan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 03:15:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harvester of Sorrow by Metallica

Numb by U2

Any song about worthless pain and suffering by Linkin Park

To quote another combination of history and Hollywood (directed towards GM):
&quot;Iceburg, right ahead!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Harvester of Sorrow by Metallica</p>
<p>Numb by U2</p>
<p>Any song about worthless pain and suffering by Linkin Park</p>
<p>To quote another combination of history and Hollywood (directed towards GM):<br />
&#8220;Iceburg, right ahead!&#8221;<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: oboylepr</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/gm-sales-off-45/comment-page-1/#comment-917632</link>
		<dc:creator>oboylepr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 02:52:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Captain Rick must clearly see where the ship is going to impact by now. I can just see him now with his hand caressing the eject lever. He has completed his checklist and he is waiting for the right moment to bail out. He&#039;s hoping the ejection seat will do it&#039;s job correctly and that he doesn&#039;t hit the canopy (or Bob) on the way out. Don&#039;t want to wait too long or he will get caught in the massive explosion. Don&#039;t want to go too soon either or everyone will see the colour of the parachute (gold). Gotta make it look like he stayed with it to the bitter end. Hopefully the chute will open and he lands on open ground then he can do a runner to that forest and disappear. He should make to to the highway where the getaway car (Hyundai Genesis) is waiting. Any second now........he can&#039;t bear to look!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Captain Rick must clearly see where the ship is going to impact by now. I can just see him now with his hand caressing the eject lever. He has completed his checklist and he is waiting for the right moment to bail out. He&#8217;s hoping the ejection seat will do it&#8217;s job correctly and that he doesn&#8217;t hit the canopy (or Bob) on the way out. Don&#8217;t want to wait too long or he will get caught in the massive explosion. Don&#8217;t want to go too soon either or everyone will see the colour of the parachute (gold). Gotta make it look like he stayed with it to the bitter end. Hopefully the chute will open and he lands on open ground then he can do a runner to that forest and disappear. He should make to to the highway where the getaway car (Hyundai Genesis) is waiting. Any second now&#8230;&#8230;..he can&#8217;t bear to look!<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: luscious</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/gm-sales-off-45/comment-page-1/#comment-917562</link>
		<dc:creator>luscious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 02:08:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This mortality thing is surely an eye-opener.

I mean, we&#039;ve watched this unfold for 3+ years on this website...and we&#039;ve watched it unfold in real life for MANY years beyond that.

But DAMN!!!  This beast is REALLY DYING!!!

It&#039;s like when you see your grandmother lying in an open casket...it FINALLY *HITS* you...SHE&#039;S DEAD!!!

I thought I was going to laugh my ass off at this month&#039;s (October&#039;s) sales figures....but HOLY COW...45%!!  It&#039;s a complete bloodbath!!

...and a well-deserved one at that.

Congratulations Ricky, Momma&#039;s proud of her little darling.  You&#039;re such an American Icon...right up there with Charlie Manson.

You&#039;ve left quite a &quot;legacy&quot; for your children to look up to, bless your heart.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->This mortality thing is surely an eye-opener.</p>
<p>I mean, we&#8217;ve watched this unfold for 3+ years on this website&#8230;and we&#8217;ve watched it unfold in real life for MANY years beyond that.</p>
<p>But DAMN!!!  This beast is REALLY DYING!!!</p>
<p>It&#8217;s like when you see your grandmother lying in an open casket&#8230;it FINALLY *HITS* you&#8230;SHE&#8217;S DEAD!!!</p>
<p>I thought I was going to laugh my ass off at this month&#8217;s (October&#8217;s) sales figures&#8230;.but HOLY COW&#8230;45%!!  It&#8217;s a complete bloodbath!!</p>
<p>&#8230;and a well-deserved one at that.</p>
<p>Congratulations Ricky, Momma&#8217;s proud of her little darling.  You&#8217;re such an American Icon&#8230;right up there with Charlie Manson.</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve left quite a &#8220;legacy&#8221; for your children to look up to, bless your heart.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: autonut</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/gm-sales-off-45/comment-page-1/#comment-917422</link>
		<dc:creator>autonut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 01:15:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess new course at Sloan School of Management (MIT) should be named &quot;The most effective money losing strategy&quot;. If someone (whom am I kidding there will be dozens) will publish book/dissertation/course on this subject it will read like comedy of errors. Shakespeare, roll over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->I guess new course at Sloan School of Management (MIT) should be named &#8220;The most effective money losing strategy&#8221;. If someone (whom am I kidding there will be dozens) will publish book/dissertation/course on this subject it will read like comedy of errors. Shakespeare, roll over.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Usta Bee</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/gm-sales-off-45/comment-page-1/#comment-917402</link>
		<dc:creator>Usta Bee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 00:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m trying to think of a good jingle for GM to compete with &quot;Saved By Zero&quot;....

Highway To Hell by AC/DC

Low Budget by The Kinks

Nothing From Nothing by Billy Preston

Down In A Hole by Alice In Chains

Everything Must Go by Steely Dan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->I&#8217;m trying to think of a good jingle for GM to compete with &#8220;Saved By Zero&#8221;&#8230;.</p>
<p>Highway To Hell by AC/DC</p>
<p>Low Budget by The Kinks</p>
<p>Nothing From Nothing by Billy Preston</p>
<p>Down In A Hole by Alice In Chains</p>
<p>Everything Must Go by Steely Dan<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: menno</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/gm-sales-off-45/comment-page-1/#comment-917242</link>
		<dc:creator>menno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 23:56:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, oboylpr, I have to wonder if GM is so close to the brink, that they are literally doing just that.  

Either that or tomorrow, while everyone&#039;s attention is &quot;elsewhere&quot;, they throw in the towel.  

Only question that&#039;ll remain will be &quot;chapter 11 or 7&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Well, oboylpr, I have to wonder if GM is so close to the brink, that they are literally doing just that.  </p>
<p>Either that or tomorrow, while everyone&#8217;s attention is &#8220;elsewhere&#8221;, they throw in the towel.  </p>
<p>Only question that&#8217;ll remain will be &#8220;chapter 11 or 7&#8243;?<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: oboylepr</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/gm-sales-off-45/comment-page-1/#comment-917162</link>
		<dc:creator>oboylepr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 23:16:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just passed GM Corporate HQ in Canada an hour ago. All the GM signs are off and the big floodlit Malibu poster is in darkness. First time I&#039;ve seen that in twenty-five years passing that place. Must be trying to save a few loonies!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Just passed GM Corporate HQ in Canada an hour ago. All the GM signs are off and the big floodlit Malibu poster is in darkness. First time I&#8217;ve seen that in twenty-five years passing that place. Must be trying to save a few loonies!<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: bumpy</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/gm-sales-off-45/comment-page-1/#comment-917161</link>
		<dc:creator>bumpy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 23:14:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;As a last ditch effort, the manager offered to remove the emblems.&quot;

The last-ditch effort should have been, &quot;What color Camry would you like? We&#039;ll have it here in an hour.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->&#8220;As a last ditch effort, the manager offered to remove the emblems.&#8221;</p>
<p>The last-ditch effort should have been, &#8220;What color Camry would you like? We&#8217;ll have it here in an hour.&#8221;<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: SkiD666</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/gm-sales-off-45/comment-page-1/#comment-917071</link>
		<dc:creator>SkiD666</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 22:41:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Something else to put this in perspective, October GM sales in Canada were down 6.4% (I&#039;ll assume that exposure to american media and the US financial climate accounted for much of this).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Something else to put this in perspective, October GM sales in Canada were down 6.4% (I&#8217;ll assume that exposure to american media and the US financial climate accounted for much of this).<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: snabster</title>
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		<dc:creator>snabster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 22:28:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@geeber:

When I say shut down, I mean old fashioned lock the factory gates and let the UAW sue.  The most they could get is 3 months pay, and there are a lot of other debtholders in front of them.  UAW would have to settle for 5-6 billion, which is about what  they would lose in two months now (given the sales drop)

Here&#039;s another question:  Do you think Obama will suspend the proposed CAFE rules? No way any american car company is investing in new models at this point - even with the 2010 bailout money.</description>
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<p>When I say shut down, I mean old fashioned lock the factory gates and let the UAW sue.  The most they could get is 3 months pay, and there are a lot of other debtholders in front of them.  UAW would have to settle for 5-6 billion, which is about what  they would lose in two months now (given the sales drop)</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s another question:  Do you think Obama will suspend the proposed CAFE rules? No way any american car company is investing in new models at this point &#8211; even with the 2010 bailout money.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Cicero</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cicero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 22:23:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;em&gt;DeanMTL : 
November 3rd, 2008 at 5:47 pm 

That 38 billion dollar loss was just an accounting trick, from what I heard.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

When Arthur Anderson was performing accounting tricks for Enron, at least the tricks made Enron look &lt;em&gt;good.&lt;/em&gt;  Maybe GM needs better accountants.</description>
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<blockquote><em>DeanMTL :<br />
November 3rd, 2008 at 5:47 pm </p>
<p>That 38 billion dollar loss was just an accounting trick, from what I heard.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>When Arthur Anderson was performing accounting tricks for Enron, at least the tricks made Enron look <em>good.</em>  Maybe GM needs better accountants.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: volvo</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/gm-sales-off-45/comment-page-1/#comment-916972</link>
		<dc:creator>volvo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 22:10:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the news release

“GM hybrids continue to build sales momentum and the company has broken through the 10-thousand vehicle sales mark. A total of 1,496 hybrid vehicles were delivered in the month. Hybrid sales included: 372 hybrid Chevrolet Tahoe, 193 GMC Yukon and 230 Cadillac Escalade 2-mode SUVs delivered.&quot;

I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if most of these were being driven around DC and various state capitols keeping a green image for our public servants. Probably one Tahoe Hybrid set aside for Bauer to use on 24.

Do I seem cynical?</description>
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<p>“GM hybrids continue to build sales momentum and the company has broken through the 10-thousand vehicle sales mark. A total of 1,496 hybrid vehicles were delivered in the month. Hybrid sales included: 372 hybrid Chevrolet Tahoe, 193 GMC Yukon and 230 Cadillac Escalade 2-mode SUVs delivered.&#8221;</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if most of these were being driven around DC and various state capitols keeping a green image for our public servants. Probably one Tahoe Hybrid set aside for Bauer to use on 24.</p>
<p>Do I seem cynical?<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: geeber</title>
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		<dc:creator>geeber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 22:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I would put more faith in William Shatner than Rick Wagoner at this point...</description>
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		<title>By: John Horner</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/gm-sales-off-45/comment-page-1/#comment-916941</link>
		<dc:creator>John Horner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 22:01:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Remember way back in September when GM was getting praise for not losing as many sales as the competition did?  Sure enough, they gave away the store and pulled a little demand forward.

You know things are just horrible when GM is running radio ads about how they will help buyers find financing with anyone other than GMAC. I heard one of their ads the other day and it left me dumbfounded. 

What&#039;s next, Malibu Hybrids on Priceline.com?</description>
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<p>You know things are just horrible when GM is running radio ads about how they will help buyers find financing with anyone other than GMAC. I heard one of their ads the other day and it left me dumbfounded. </p>
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		<title>By: Steve Green</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/gm-sales-off-45/comment-page-1/#comment-916921</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 21:56:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Volvo --

Any further in my cheek and I&#039;d be pushing out teeth.</description>
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		<title>By: volvo</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/gm-sales-off-45/comment-page-1/#comment-916902</link>
		<dc:creator>volvo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 21:52:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;So if GM loses money on every car sold, shouldn’t October’s lousy sales figures reduce their cash burn?&lt;/em&gt;

I&#039;m pretty sure you said that tongue in cheek however they certainly lose money on every car produced. And because of their labor contracts lose even more money on every car not produced!

And when the Uncle Sam bails out GM and the Unions taxpayers will get to subsidize what they lose on every car not produced.

At least paying workers not to produce cars is easier on the environment. Perhaps that is the whole purpose of this exercise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><em>So if GM loses money on every car sold, shouldn’t October’s lousy sales figures reduce their cash burn?</em></p>
<p>I&#8217;m pretty sure you said that tongue in cheek however they certainly lose money on every car produced. And because of their labor contracts lose even more money on every car not produced!</p>
<p>And when the Uncle Sam bails out GM and the Unions taxpayers will get to subsidize what they lose on every car not produced.</p>
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		<title>By: DeanMTL</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/gm-sales-off-45/comment-page-1/#comment-916891</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 21:47:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That 38 billion dollar loss was just an accounting trick, from what I heard. In reality it was an absolute loss of around 5 billion, on par with the previous year&#039;s losses.</description>
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		<title>By: DPerkins</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/gm-sales-off-45/comment-page-1/#comment-916812</link>
		<dc:creator>DPerkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 21:25:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Buickman&lt;/i&gt;

I think that you will like this graph (prepared by the Detroit Free Press):

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.freep.com/uploads/images/2008/11/1103wagoner.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;lightbox[138012]&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;GM under Wagoner&lt;/a&gt;

Rather &#039;graphic&#039;.</description>
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<p>I think that you will like this graph (prepared by the Detroit Free Press):</p>
<p><a href="http://www.freep.com/uploads/images/2008/11/1103wagoner.jpg" rel="lightbox[138012]" rel="nofollow">GM under Wagoner</a></p>
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		<title>By: Steve Green</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/gm-sales-off-45/comment-page-1/#comment-916692</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 21:04:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So if GM loses money on every car sold, shouldn&#039;t October&#039;s lousy sales figures &lt;i&gt;reduce&lt;/i&gt; their cash burn?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->So if GM loses money on every car sold, shouldn&#8217;t October&#8217;s lousy sales figures <i>reduce</i> their cash burn?<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: geeber</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/gm-sales-off-45/comment-page-1/#comment-916682</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 21:04:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;snabster: Please explain why GM doesn’t shutdown all NA production except the Malibu? I realize it is coming as a negotiating tool to get a bailout, but really if you are losing a billion dollar a month.&lt;/i&gt;

Under its UAW contract, GM must pay blue-collar workers whether they are producing anything or not. Labor is essentially a fixed cost. GM thus doesn&#039;t really save any money by shutting down plants.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><i>snabster: Please explain why GM doesn’t shutdown all NA production except the Malibu? I realize it is coming as a negotiating tool to get a bailout, but really if you are losing a billion dollar a month.</i></p>
<p>Under its UAW contract, GM must pay blue-collar workers whether they are producing anything or not. Labor is essentially a fixed cost. GM thus doesn&#8217;t really save any money by shutting down plants.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Point Given</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/gm-sales-off-45/comment-page-1/#comment-916591</link>
		<dc:creator>Point Given</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 20:49:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>threer : When Ford is down 30% Chrysler down 35% and the very biggest manufacturer is down 45% ....it&#039;s very staggering number that deserves analysis, opinions and speculation. Had the drop been low 30% I think it would be sensationalism to make a big deal of it.

And shutting down production and selling down inventory is like waving the white flag that you are done and done.  I don&#039;t know about the cost structure at GM (profit per vehicle), I will say rental fleets get significant discounts over fleet pricing which is well under retail invoice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->threer : When Ford is down 30% Chrysler down 35% and the very biggest manufacturer is down 45% &#8230;.it&#8217;s very staggering number that deserves analysis, opinions and speculation. Had the drop been low 30% I think it would be sensationalism to make a big deal of it.</p>
<p>And shutting down production and selling down inventory is like waving the white flag that you are done and done.  I don&#8217;t know about the cost structure at GM (profit per vehicle), I will say rental fleets get significant discounts over fleet pricing which is well under retail invoice.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: snabster</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/gm-sales-off-45/comment-page-1/#comment-916461</link>
		<dc:creator>snabster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 20:38:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please explain why GM doesn&#039;t shutdown all NA production except the Malibu?  I realize it is coming as a negotiating tool to get a bailout, but really if you are losing a billion dollar a month.  172K vehicles a month at an average of 25K a vehicle = 4 billion a month.  Profit is probably only 1500 a vehicle, so that is about 258 million.  You could SAVE 3.8 billion a month by not making anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Please explain why GM doesn&#8217;t shutdown all NA production except the Malibu?  I realize it is coming as a negotiating tool to get a bailout, but really if you are losing a billion dollar a month.  172K vehicles a month at an average of 25K a vehicle = 4 billion a month.  Profit is probably only 1500 a vehicle, so that is about 258 million.  You could SAVE 3.8 billion a month by not making anything.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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