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	<title>Comments on: GM Begins Construction of $250m Tech Center in Shanghai</title>
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		<title>By: GM And China A Time-Tested Fit &#171; ChinaLuxCultureBiz</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/gm-begins-construction-of-250m-tech-center-in-shanghai/comment-page-1/#comment-1490733</link>
		<dc:creator>GM And China A Time-Tested Fit &#171; ChinaLuxCultureBiz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 03:07:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] year, it was announced that GM, with the cooperation of PATAC, its JV partner, would begin construction on a $250 million [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Cicero</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/gm-begins-construction-of-250m-tech-center-in-shanghai/comment-page-1/#comment-790521</link>
		<dc:creator>Cicero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 20:26:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;It helps because the profits made in China (and globally) come back to the US (only to disappear in GM’s black hole here, sadly). 

Microsoft, McDonalds and a huge number of other American comapnies do business globally and invest globally while bringing the profits home. That’s the entire point of doing business globally.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I think it&#039;s misleading to say that profits of U.S. companies doing business overseas come &quot;home&quot; to the U.S.  Profits go into the pockets of shareholders.  Those shareholders can be Americans, but they are just as likely to be Europeans, Middle Easterners or Asians. 

This is where the &quot;domestic&quot; brands&#039; &quot;Buy American&quot; argument comes apart.  What makes GM &quot;American&quot; and Toyota &quot;Japanese&quot;, besides heritage and headquaters location?  They both manufacture globally and they both have shareholders -- owners -- all over the planet.  I don&#039;t know the actual statistic but I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if Americans own more Toyota shares than Japanese nationals do.

In this light it&#039;s difficult to rationalize why GM, Ford and Chrysler have a better claim to taxpayer bailout money than would Toyota, BMW or Nissan. The latter three companies manufacture in the U.S. have a significant percentage of American shareholders, just like the so-called domestics.

This just points out the folly of doling out federal benefits to badly-managed companies on the basis of their headquarters locations.  If taxpayer money can&#039;t be used to prop up Toyota (which would be politically radioactive), then there isn&#039;t a good argument for using it to prop up GM either.</description>
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<blockquote>It helps because the profits made in China (and globally) come back to the US (only to disappear in GM’s black hole here, sadly). </p>
<p>Microsoft, McDonalds and a huge number of other American comapnies do business globally and invest globally while bringing the profits home. That’s the entire point of doing business globally.</p></blockquote>
<p>I think it&#8217;s misleading to say that profits of U.S. companies doing business overseas come &#8220;home&#8221; to the U.S.  Profits go into the pockets of shareholders.  Those shareholders can be Americans, but they are just as likely to be Europeans, Middle Easterners or Asians. </p>
<p>This is where the &#8220;domestic&#8221; brands&#8217; &#8220;Buy American&#8221; argument comes apart.  What makes GM &#8220;American&#8221; and Toyota &#8220;Japanese&#8221;, besides heritage and headquaters location?  They both manufacture globally and they both have shareholders &#8212; owners &#8212; all over the planet.  I don&#8217;t know the actual statistic but I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if Americans own more Toyota shares than Japanese nationals do.</p>
<p>In this light it&#8217;s difficult to rationalize why GM, Ford and Chrysler have a better claim to taxpayer bailout money than would Toyota, BMW or Nissan. The latter three companies manufacture in the U.S. have a significant percentage of American shareholders, just like the so-called domestics.</p>
<p>This just points out the folly of doling out federal benefits to badly-managed companies on the basis of their headquarters locations.  If taxpayer money can&#8217;t be used to prop up Toyota (which would be politically radioactive), then there isn&#8217;t a good argument for using it to prop up GM either.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: TriShield</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/gm-begins-construction-of-250m-tech-center-in-shanghai/comment-page-1/#comment-790052</link>
		<dc:creator>TriShield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 18:38:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It helps because the profits made in China (and globally) come back to the US (only to disappear in GM&#039;s black hole here, sadly).  

Microsoft, McDonalds and a huge number of other American comapnies do business globally and invest globally while bringing the profits home.  That&#039;s the entire point of doing business globally.  That&#039;s why Toyota roosts here, to take our green back home and reinvest it there, here and elsewhere.  It goes both ways and that&#039;s how businesses profit.</description>
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<p>Microsoft, McDonalds and a huge number of other American comapnies do business globally and invest globally while bringing the profits home.  That&#8217;s the entire point of doing business globally.  That&#8217;s why Toyota roosts here, to take our green back home and reinvest it there, here and elsewhere.  It goes both ways and that&#8217;s how businesses profit.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: John Horner</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/gm-begins-construction-of-250m-tech-center-in-shanghai/comment-page-1/#comment-789432</link>
		<dc:creator>John Horner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 16:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is where the argument that patriotic &#039;mericans should buy Detroit branded cars because the profits and white collar jobs stay in country falls apart.   GM is dis-investing in the US and investing in China.  How does that help the workers of Michigan, et. al.?</description>
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		<title>By: netrun</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/gm-begins-construction-of-250m-tech-center-in-shanghai/comment-page-1/#comment-789171</link>
		<dc:creator>netrun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 16:09:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;@Raskolnikov&lt;/i&gt;

That&#039;s all fine, but these same &quot;global&quot; companies are asking the US taxpayer for a bailout.  Can&#039;t have it both ways.  If you want a US bailout to save US jobs, that&#039;s one thing.  But a US bailout to support 2500+ Chinese jobs is crazy. 

&lt;b&gt;NO BAILOUTS!&lt;/b&gt;</description>
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<p>That&#8217;s all fine, but these same &#8220;global&#8221; companies are asking the US taxpayer for a bailout.  Can&#8217;t have it both ways.  If you want a US bailout to save US jobs, that&#8217;s one thing.  But a US bailout to support 2500+ Chinese jobs is crazy. </p>
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		<title>By: Raskolnikov</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/gm-begins-construction-of-250m-tech-center-in-shanghai/comment-page-1/#comment-789142</link>
		<dc:creator>Raskolnikov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 16:04:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jaje--from what I hear its the former.

But if you think about it, GM is offering voluntary separations to white collar workers all over the country, including Warren Tech Center.  Will they hire people in China to do these jobs?  I don&#039;t know.  But one thing is certain, this should tell us that they see China becoming a much more important market.

If this bothers you, then go buy a Malibu and maybe GM will be incented to keep more engineers here in the US.  Just saying....go where the market is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->jaje&#8211;from what I hear its the former.</p>
<p>But if you think about it, GM is offering voluntary separations to white collar workers all over the country, including Warren Tech Center.  Will they hire people in China to do these jobs?  I don&#8217;t know.  But one thing is certain, this should tell us that they see China becoming a much more important market.</p>
<p>If this bothers you, then go buy a Malibu and maybe GM will be incented to keep more engineers here in the US.  Just saying&#8230;.go where the market is.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: jaje</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/gm-begins-construction-of-250m-tech-center-in-shanghai/comment-page-1/#comment-789091</link>
		<dc:creator>jaje</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 15:55:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is this design center for cars designed for the Chinese market or is it a very upfront and lame attempt to shift jobs overseas for lower pay?  If it is the latter this should be quite a problem if they are asking for a bailout - b/c if they do get a bailout (even if they put restrictions that the money given can&#039;t be invested x% overseas to outsource jobs) it frees up their own cash to do so (good ole shell game).</description>
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		<title>By: Raskolnikov</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/gm-begins-construction-of-250m-tech-center-in-shanghai/comment-page-1/#comment-789041</link>
		<dc:creator>Raskolnikov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 15:49:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This Tech center is not supposed to displace the Warren Tech Center outside of Detroit, and hopefully it doesn&#039;t. 
But why is this surprising?  GM is a huge GLOBAL corporation, just like Toyota.
Toyota has tech, design and production facilities all over the globe.  Should they be only investing in Japan, keeping jobs in Japan, advanced development for the Japanese economy, and all the other sh*t to get Japanese tax money?

Didn&#039;t think so.  Go where the market is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->This Tech center is not supposed to displace the Warren Tech Center outside of Detroit, and hopefully it doesn&#8217;t.<br />
But why is this surprising?  GM is a huge GLOBAL corporation, just like Toyota.<br />
Toyota has tech, design and production facilities all over the globe.  Should they be only investing in Japan, keeping jobs in Japan, advanced development for the Japanese economy, and all the other sh*t to get Japanese tax money?</p>
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		<title>By: Redbarchetta</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/gm-begins-construction-of-250m-tech-center-in-shanghai/comment-page-1/#comment-788872</link>
		<dc:creator>Redbarchetta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 15:34:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It just hit me they are investing this money in China. What happen to investing in the US, keeping jobs here, advanced development for our economy, and all the other sh*t to get our tax money. Sounds like we will be paying for jobs and technology to go to China, typical.

EDIT doesn&#039;t like me again, said I didn&#039;t have permission to edit my own comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->It just hit me they are investing this money in China. What happen to investing in the US, keeping jobs here, advanced development for our economy, and all the other sh*t to get our tax money. Sounds like we will be paying for jobs and technology to go to China, typical.</p>
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		<title>By: Redbarchetta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Redbarchetta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 15:27:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;He said he expects China’s auto market to maintain 10% to 15% growth after this year, without elaborating.&lt;/em&gt;

This statement came from a guy who works for a company that said the US auto market would be strong again and the housing market would be on the up swing by 3rd quarter 2008. I would sure count on their predictions being right. I don&#039;t think the Chinese market is going to have unprecedented growth until their economy is not so tied to selling us crap, since we sure can&#039;t afford to buy it.

I think the problems are just in his head as in a lack of grey matter. Looks like a common problem for GM execs.</description>
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<p>This statement came from a guy who works for a company that said the US auto market would be strong again and the housing market would be on the up swing by 3rd quarter 2008. I would sure count on their predictions being right. I don&#8217;t think the Chinese market is going to have unprecedented growth until their economy is not so tied to selling us crap, since we sure can&#8217;t afford to buy it.</p>
<p>I think the problems are just in his head as in a lack of grey matter. Looks like a common problem for GM execs.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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