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		<title>By: joeaverage</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/general-motors-death-watch-188-the-bottom-line/comment-page-1/#comment-636742</link>
		<dc:creator>joeaverage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:52:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All this talk about killing this division or that division makes no sense. Instead of killing off divisions - sell all GMs at the same dealership and quit playing this game where each division needs a full product lineup. No reason for a Caddy crossover. No reason to have both a Saturn roadster and a Pontiac roadster that look the same. What they ought to do is kill off the divisions and keep the badges. GM can make 15 different products and badge them as Pontiacs, and Chevies and Caddys and GMC as appropriate. Kill off the unique divisions, merge the remains and eliminate any duplication of efforts. An engineer or marketting guy could work on a Pontiac or a Buick or a Caddy all in the same day. That eliminates the competition (kingdoms) between the divisions and the urge to release a CUV as a product from each division. There is prob enough internal corporate resistance to the idea that they will have to go broke to get people to go away. 

The idea of selling Holdens here as Pontiac is a good one. The idea of selling Opels here as Saturns is also good but I&#039;d rather have the Opel brand name than the Saturn name but that&#039;s just me. Whatever is left can be divided (never duplicated) between the Chevy, GMC, Buick and Caddy names and all sold off of the same dealer lot. Talk about selection!!! Of course profits are needed so they might have the build the Holden and Opel designs here. Just don&#039;t let the Detroit guys screw around with them too much!!! 

Lastly the idea of a Caddy wagon seems like a fairly good one at first glance but I fear the result would be quite Dodge Magnum like and we know how that turned out. Tits up. A better wagon would be one that is less muscular and more athletic (leaner) like a Volvo/BMW/Mercedes but again that is just my tastes. I do think a shift towards GOOD wagons needs to be pushed like they pushed the SUVs way back when. Much more realistic vehicle than a SUV with better mileage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->All this talk about killing this division or that division makes no sense. Instead of killing off divisions &#8211; sell all GMs at the same dealership and quit playing this game where each division needs a full product lineup. No reason for a Caddy crossover. No reason to have both a Saturn roadster and a Pontiac roadster that look the same. What they ought to do is kill off the divisions and keep the badges. GM can make 15 different products and badge them as Pontiacs, and Chevies and Caddys and GMC as appropriate. Kill off the unique divisions, merge the remains and eliminate any duplication of efforts. An engineer or marketting guy could work on a Pontiac or a Buick or a Caddy all in the same day. That eliminates the competition (kingdoms) between the divisions and the urge to release a CUV as a product from each division. There is prob enough internal corporate resistance to the idea that they will have to go broke to get people to go away. </p>
<p>The idea of selling Holdens here as Pontiac is a good one. The idea of selling Opels here as Saturns is also good but I&#8217;d rather have the Opel brand name than the Saturn name but that&#8217;s just me. Whatever is left can be divided (never duplicated) between the Chevy, GMC, Buick and Caddy names and all sold off of the same dealer lot. Talk about selection!!! Of course profits are needed so they might have the build the Holden and Opel designs here. Just don&#8217;t let the Detroit guys screw around with them too much!!! </p>
<p>Lastly the idea of a Caddy wagon seems like a fairly good one at first glance but I fear the result would be quite Dodge Magnum like and we know how that turned out. Tits up. A better wagon would be one that is less muscular and more athletic (leaner) like a Volvo/BMW/Mercedes but again that is just my tastes. I do think a shift towards GOOD wagons needs to be pushed like they pushed the SUVs way back when. Much more realistic vehicle than a SUV with better mileage.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: cheezeweggie</title>
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		<dc:creator>cheezeweggie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 18:32:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eighteen of the next nineteen designs being cars ?? 
For GM that means six actual designs spread across three divisions.</description>
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		<title>By: prthug (of GM)</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/general-motors-death-watch-188-the-bottom-line/comment-page-1/#comment-604611</link>
		<dc:creator>prthug (of GM)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 12:11:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, you might have more impact with your points if you had your facts straight. The Invicta is not off the Zeta RWD architecture...it&#039;s off the new global mid FWD, also known as Epsilon 2.  The zeal to flame can sometimes cloud the basics ;-)</description>
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		<title>By: jerry weber</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/general-motors-death-watch-188-the-bottom-line/comment-page-1/#comment-604541</link>
		<dc:creator>jerry weber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:03:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Today (Thursday) is kiss and make up day. Wall Street has blessed the down sizing of GM and allowed their stock to raise 15%. The crisis is over or is it? No, it is postponed until the next speed bump. You want to see the next swoon of GM&#039;s stock, let the July sales numbers plummet. Then the very fickle Wall Street will report that perhaps the downsizing of GM won&#039;t be enough. The problem is the tremors are coming quicker, only weeks apart not months. Wall Street is like a giant furnace that consumes fuel. Your profits are fed in, and stock rise comes out the chimney, but every time the profits hickup, the stock tumbles. With GM Wall Street has somewhat reversed the formula and calls a lesser loss of either sales or cash flow a victory. The problem is the can keeps getting kicked down the road another year, where the magical &quot;profits&quot; lie. Each year a skinnier and smaller can kicker is kicking the can less of a distance. So he now must kick at least once a month. The question is when the kicker falls from exhaustion, which EMS saud is to rescue him?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Today (Thursday) is kiss and make up day. Wall Street has blessed the down sizing of GM and allowed their stock to raise 15%. The crisis is over or is it? No, it is postponed until the next speed bump. You want to see the next swoon of GM&#8217;s stock, let the July sales numbers plummet. Then the very fickle Wall Street will report that perhaps the downsizing of GM won&#8217;t be enough. The problem is the tremors are coming quicker, only weeks apart not months. Wall Street is like a giant furnace that consumes fuel. Your profits are fed in, and stock rise comes out the chimney, but every time the profits hickup, the stock tumbles. With GM Wall Street has somewhat reversed the formula and calls a lesser loss of either sales or cash flow a victory. The problem is the can keeps getting kicked down the road another year, where the magical &#8220;profits&#8221; lie. Each year a skinnier and smaller can kicker is kicking the can less of a distance. So he now must kick at least once a month. The question is when the kicker falls from exhaustion, which EMS saud is to rescue him?<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Campisi</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/general-motors-death-watch-188-the-bottom-line/comment-page-1/#comment-604412</link>
		<dc:creator>Campisi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 07:04:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Don’t kid yourself. Just because something hasn’t happened yet doesn’t mean it won’t.&lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;ve been saying what I&#039;ve said in the Death Watch threads for a while now; when I started I was certain that GM would still be around when the two hundredth Death Watch went live, and I&#039;m still sure of that. Hell, I may have to start saying &quot;see you at GM Death Watch 250.&quot;

&lt;i&gt;FYI If/when GM emerges from C11 as a viable manufacturer, or gets “out of the woods” before filing, this series ends. Until then, it’ll keep going, no matter how many episodes that requires.&lt;/i&gt;

Good. It&#039;s been an interesting series and I&#039;ve enjoyed reading it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><i>Don’t kid yourself. Just because something hasn’t happened yet doesn’t mean it won’t.</i></p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been saying what I&#8217;ve said in the Death Watch threads for a while now; when I started I was certain that GM would still be around when the two hundredth Death Watch went live, and I&#8217;m still sure of that. Hell, I may have to start saying &#8220;see you at GM Death Watch 250.&#8221;</p>
<p><i>FYI If/when GM emerges from C11 as a viable manufacturer, or gets “out of the woods” before filing, this series ends. Until then, it’ll keep going, no matter how many episodes that requires.</i></p>
<p>Good. It&#8217;s been an interesting series and I&#8217;ve enjoyed reading it.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: GE Levecque</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/general-motors-death-watch-188-the-bottom-line/comment-page-1/#comment-603922</link>
		<dc:creator>GE Levecque</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 23:55:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any new GM Car that requires Premium Gasoline will be a loser right from the start, here in Canada Gasoline regular sells for Can.$1.32 per litre, whereas Premium is about 12 cents more per litre! I have seen some Caddy&#039;s driven by older drivers trying to get bye on Regular Gas when there cars require Premium Gasoline, these people dont know the problems they will have down the road.</description>
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		<title>By: ZoomZoom</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/general-motors-death-watch-188-the-bottom-line/comment-page-1/#comment-601721</link>
		<dc:creator>ZoomZoom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 13:41:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;By Justin Berkowitz

The General’s in the automotive business. If it wants to stay in business, the automaker needs to build and sell the right cars at the right time. &lt;/em&gt;

...at the right price.

The Death Watch articles are coming fast and furious.  I wonder, is it the 7th sign for GM?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><em>By Justin Berkowitz</p>
<p>The General’s in the automotive business. If it wants to stay in business, the automaker needs to build and sell the right cars at the right time. </em></p>
<p>&#8230;at the right price.</p>
<p>The Death Watch articles are coming fast and furious.  I wonder, is it the 7th sign for GM?<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: 1996MEdition</title>
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		<dc:creator>1996MEdition</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 13:24:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GM will eventually get switched from trucks to somewhat fuel efficient cars....about the time that there is another big market change.  GM&#039;s problem is that they don&#039;t foresee the paradigm shifts coming at them.  Very poor market research on their part.  Don&#039;t continue trying to ride the horse after it is dead and in a glue bottle.

I think sport wagons are going to be the next wave once the tall wagon thing fades off.  For guys in their 40&#039;s like me, the BMW, Honda wagons provide a lot of utility without seriously sacrificing handling like tall wagons.  Plus, some of them have very sexy lines.  No JLo rear ends (though I wouldn&#039;t pass that up).  Of course, GM will be late to the party on this...if they are still around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->GM will eventually get switched from trucks to somewhat fuel efficient cars&#8230;.about the time that there is another big market change.  GM&#8217;s problem is that they don&#8217;t foresee the paradigm shifts coming at them.  Very poor market research on their part.  Don&#8217;t continue trying to ride the horse after it is dead and in a glue bottle.</p>
<p>I think sport wagons are going to be the next wave once the tall wagon thing fades off.  For guys in their 40&#8217;s like me, the BMW, Honda wagons provide a lot of utility without seriously sacrificing handling like tall wagons.  Plus, some of them have very sexy lines.  No JLo rear ends (though I wouldn&#8217;t pass that up).  Of course, GM will be late to the party on this&#8230;if they are still around.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: jerry weber</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/general-motors-death-watch-188-the-bottom-line/comment-page-1/#comment-601261</link>
		<dc:creator>jerry weber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 12:10:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The volt, now this is a project that sort of shows the inability of GM to ever get it. Every car maker knew that batteries have been a problem with range for 100 years. We had electric cars in the early 1900&#039;s, we also had steam power. You need range and you need torque for hills and passing, steam and electric don&#039;t have this. It took toyota to figure out if you had a choice between expensive new technology batteries (which still don&#039;t close the above gap) and cheaper smaller batteries combined with a small gas engine, you can close this gap. Why is this important? Because toyota needs to sell cars at a profit now, not in 2011,12,or2050. They also know that when they can make a cheaper all electric plug in that finally equals the interim hy-brid, they will be ready to build them. In the mean time they have 1 million+ hybrids on the street now at a profit and at a consumer cost under 30K. On the other side weighing in at whatever is GM, no good hy-brid technology that sells in quantity now, and a Volt in two years that will be $39,900 plus a few options. Say, $44,000 out the door. If it&#039;s better than Toyota&#039;s will it matter?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->The volt, now this is a project that sort of shows the inability of GM to ever get it. Every car maker knew that batteries have been a problem with range for 100 years. We had electric cars in the early 1900&#8217;s, we also had steam power. You need range and you need torque for hills and passing, steam and electric don&#8217;t have this. It took toyota to figure out if you had a choice between expensive new technology batteries (which still don&#8217;t close the above gap) and cheaper smaller batteries combined with a small gas engine, you can close this gap. Why is this important? Because toyota needs to sell cars at a profit now, not in 2011,12,or2050. They also know that when they can make a cheaper all electric plug in that finally equals the interim hy-brid, they will be ready to build them. In the mean time they have 1 million+ hybrids on the street now at a profit and at a consumer cost under 30K. On the other side weighing in at whatever is GM, no good hy-brid technology that sells in quantity now, and a Volt in two years that will be $39,900 plus a few options. Say, $44,000 out the door. If it&#8217;s better than Toyota&#8217;s will it matter?<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Geotpf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geotpf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 12:03:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Skooter Says: 
July 15th, 2008 at 3:05 pm 
&lt;strong&gt;For one thing, GM’s crossover sales have cratered. All of its Lambda-platformed barges are underwater, sinking fast or launching straight into the teeth of a howling gale.’&lt;/strong&gt;

Are you sure about that? In my area, you would be lucky to find an Enclave available for sale. And while Acadia is more available, it is still very much in short supply. Can’t speak for the Outlook. And don’t you think sales will multiply once Chevy Traverse gets rolling?&lt;/em&gt;

This is correct.  The Lambda sales are falling off a cliff in recent months.

June 08 sales compared to June 07:

Buick Enclave: -18.4%
GMC Acadia: -40.1%
Saturn Outlook: -58.0%</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><em>Skooter Says:<br />
July 15th, 2008 at 3:05 pm<br />
<strong>For one thing, GM’s crossover sales have cratered. All of its Lambda-platformed barges are underwater, sinking fast or launching straight into the teeth of a howling gale.’</strong></p>
<p>Are you sure about that? In my area, you would be lucky to find an Enclave available for sale. And while Acadia is more available, it is still very much in short supply. Can’t speak for the Outlook. And don’t you think sales will multiply once Chevy Traverse gets rolling?</em></p>
<p>This is correct.  The Lambda sales are falling off a cliff in recent months.</p>
<p>June 08 sales compared to June 07:</p>
<p>Buick Enclave: -18.4%<br />
GMC Acadia: -40.1%<br />
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		<title>By: Robert Farago</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Farago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 12:03:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Bill Wade:

What is the actual cost and expense per unit at GM and how much has it increased or decreased in the last few years?&lt;/em&gt;

This info is not available to the average Joe. And if it was, I wouldn&#039;t trust it. GM accounting is notoriously unreliable-- recalculated on a regular basis and still under investigation by the SEC (BTW). 

All we know is that SUVs and pickups had the highest margins. Still do, but not so high now. We also know that there are a couple of imported models upon which GM is making a loss: Belgian-built Astra, Aussie G8. But even then, clever accounting may well mask the damage (subsidizing foreign plants, etc.).

The only sure sign of their health is to follow Ray Young&#039;s advice: cash is king. The fact that GM NA has a negative market cap (subtract foreign ops and you got less than zero), feels the need to raise $15b (whilst already paying $250m a month in interest payments), and has postponed the UAW VEBA payment (which raises the spector of a strike) tells you they&#039;re taking in less money than they spend, IN A BIG WAY. 

So, where are the profits these days? Still in trucks, I&#039;m afraid. Until and unless GM can make money on small or mid-sized cars in the NA market, they&#039;re hosed. It&#039;s as simple as that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><em>Bill Wade:</p>
<p>What is the actual cost and expense per unit at GM and how much has it increased or decreased in the last few years?</em></p>
<p>This info is not available to the average Joe. And if it was, I wouldn&#8217;t trust it. GM accounting is notoriously unreliable&#8211; recalculated on a regular basis and still under investigation by the SEC (BTW). </p>
<p>All we know is that SUVs and pickups had the highest margins. Still do, but not so high now. We also know that there are a couple of imported models upon which GM is making a loss: Belgian-built Astra, Aussie G8. But even then, clever accounting may well mask the damage (subsidizing foreign plants, etc.).</p>
<p>The only sure sign of their health is to follow Ray Young&#8217;s advice: cash is king. The fact that GM NA has a negative market cap (subtract foreign ops and you got less than zero), feels the need to raise $15b (whilst already paying $250m a month in interest payments), and has postponed the UAW VEBA payment (which raises the spector of a strike) tells you they&#8217;re taking in less money than they spend, IN A BIG WAY. </p>
<p>So, where are the profits these days? Still in trucks, I&#8217;m afraid. Until and unless GM can make money on small or mid-sized cars in the NA market, they&#8217;re hosed. It&#8217;s as simple as that.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Geotpf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geotpf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 11:57:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;rtz Says: 
July 15th, 2008 at 7:01 pm 
I need an electric vehicle to commute to work in for about $20k.&lt;/em&gt;

Not possible with current technology.  The batteries are simply too expensive.  Which is why the Volt will either sell for $40k or GM will sell them for $20k and lose $20k on each one they sell (but make it up with greater volume!).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><em>rtz Says:<br />
July 15th, 2008 at 7:01 pm<br />
I need an electric vehicle to commute to work in for about $20k.</em></p>
<p>Not possible with current technology.  The batteries are simply too expensive.  Which is why the Volt will either sell for $40k or GM will sell them for $20k and lose $20k on each one they sell (but make it up with greater volume!).<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Geotpf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geotpf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 11:50:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are we sure the Cruze is replacing the Cobalt (which is, like you stated, a very dumb idea)?  Some statements seem to indicate they are going to sell them &lt;strong&gt;both&lt;/strong&gt;, side-by-side, in the same showroom.  It&#039;s hard to tell which is more retarded-selling them both at the same time, or GM replacing yet another name.

In other things-instead of giving them yet another crossover, why don&#039;t they just kill Saab and be done with it?  Worldwide sales are well below levels needed to make a profit.  Sales are dropping in Europe (in the first six months this year, they were down 13.0% to 39,418) and falling like a stone in the US (in the same time period, they were down 29.0% to a pathetic 12,068-and in June alone, they were down 57.1%(!!!) to only 1,872).  They can always take the 9-4X and sell it under some other nameplate.  It&#039;s not like they have a shortage of choices.

The rest of these annoucements are vehicles that are, like you said, sub-niches, and not worth mentioning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Are we sure the Cruze is replacing the Cobalt (which is, like you stated, a very dumb idea)?  Some statements seem to indicate they are going to sell them <strong>both</strong>, side-by-side, in the same showroom.  It&#8217;s hard to tell which is more retarded-selling them both at the same time, or GM replacing yet another name.</p>
<p>In other things-instead of giving them yet another crossover, why don&#8217;t they just kill Saab and be done with it?  Worldwide sales are well below levels needed to make a profit.  Sales are dropping in Europe (in the first six months this year, they were down 13.0% to 39,418) and falling like a stone in the US (in the same time period, they were down 29.0% to a pathetic 12,068-and in June alone, they were down 57.1%(!!!) to only 1,872).  They can always take the 9-4X and sell it under some other nameplate.  It&#8217;s not like they have a shortage of choices.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Wade</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Wade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 11:50:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve not seen this addressed in any way. What is the actual cost and expense per unit at GM and how much has it increased or decreased in the last few years?

It would be interesting to see a graph. I would think with the major drop in sales the unit cost and expenses are skyrocketing. Is it even possible GM can cut costs faster than the income derived from sales? If not then the only conclusion one may make is GM will fail.

I know in my business if I sell less product my cost per unit increases.

If anybody has this information would you kindly link it?

Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->I&#8217;ve not seen this addressed in any way. What is the actual cost and expense per unit at GM and how much has it increased or decreased in the last few years?</p>
<p>It would be interesting to see a graph. I would think with the major drop in sales the unit cost and expenses are skyrocketing. Is it even possible GM can cut costs faster than the income derived from sales? If not then the only conclusion one may make is GM will fail.</p>
<p>I know in my business if I sell less product my cost per unit increases.</p>
<p>If anybody has this information would you kindly link it?</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Farago</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/general-motors-death-watch-188-the-bottom-line/comment-page-1/#comment-601051</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Farago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 10:28:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Campisi:

See you at GM Death Watch 200.&lt;/em&gt;

Don&#039;t kid yourself. Just because something hasn&#039;t happened yet doesn&#039;t mean it won&#039;t. 

FYI If/when GM emerges from C11 as a viable manufacturer, or gets &quot;out of the woods&quot; before filing, this series ends. Until then, it&#039;ll keep going, no matter how many episodes that requires.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><em>Campisi:</p>
<p>See you at GM Death Watch 200.</em></p>
<p>Don&#8217;t kid yourself. Just because something hasn&#8217;t happened yet doesn&#8217;t mean it won&#8217;t. </p>
<p>FYI If/when GM emerges from C11 as a viable manufacturer, or gets &#8220;out of the woods&#8221; before filing, this series ends. Until then, it&#8217;ll keep going, no matter how many episodes that requires.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Campisi</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/general-motors-death-watch-188-the-bottom-line/comment-page-1/#comment-601031</link>
		<dc:creator>Campisi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 09:39:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See you at GM Death Watch 200.</description>
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		<title>By: Stein X Leikanger</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/general-motors-death-watch-188-the-bottom-line/comment-page-1/#comment-601012</link>
		<dc:creator>Stein X Leikanger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 08:23:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read the Press Release.
It&#039;s an accounting solution to a manufacturing and brand crisis, isn&#039;t it? Or am I missing something?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->I read the Press Release.<br />
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		<title>By: 50merc</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/general-motors-death-watch-188-the-bottom-line/comment-page-1/#comment-600592</link>
		<dc:creator>50merc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 01:31:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Areitu: &quot;All these new names coming out makes me wonder if they’ll run out of things to name their cars eventually.&quot;

GM still hasn&#039;t used the perfect name for their oversize gas-gobbling vehicles: Brontosaurus.</description>
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		<title>By: Areitu</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/general-motors-death-watch-188-the-bottom-line/comment-page-1/#comment-600302</link>
		<dc:creator>Areitu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 23:50:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe I&#039;m just being picky, but isn&#039;t it spelled &quot;lingonberry&quot;? 

It might be because I&#039;m on the west coast, and not in the target audience, but Saab (and Volvo for that matter) rarely crosses into someone&#039;s consciousness when considering an entry-level luxury car.

All these new names coming out makes me wonder if they&#039;ll run out of things to name their cars eventually.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Maybe I&#8217;m just being picky, but isn&#8217;t it spelled &#8220;lingonberry&#8221;? </p>
<p>It might be because I&#8217;m on the west coast, and not in the target audience, but Saab (and Volvo for that matter) rarely crosses into someone&#8217;s consciousness when considering an entry-level luxury car.</p>
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		<title>By: rtz</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/general-motors-death-watch-188-the-bottom-line/comment-page-1/#comment-600262</link>
		<dc:creator>rtz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 23:01:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I need an electric vehicle to commute to work in for about $20k.  Nissan?  Subaru?  Mitsubishi?

How quick could GM bring an electric Cobalt, Aveo, or any other vehicle to market?

How about taking some model they are getting ready to can and turn it into an EV?  Scared to take away from the Volt&#039;s grand introduction?

Just like they are scared to put the Volt drive train idea into all their existing models.

Why not make Saturn&#039;s an all electric brand?  Do bold, brash, and daring things with it.  Take some serious risk.  Once long ago, wasn&#039;t Pontiac considered to be GM&#039;s experimental division?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->I need an electric vehicle to commute to work in for about $20k.  Nissan?  Subaru?  Mitsubishi?</p>
<p>How quick could GM bring an electric Cobalt, Aveo, or any other vehicle to market?</p>
<p>How about taking some model they are getting ready to can and turn it into an EV?  Scared to take away from the Volt&#8217;s grand introduction?</p>
<p>Just like they are scared to put the Volt drive train idea into all their existing models.</p>
<p>Why not make Saturn&#8217;s an all electric brand?  Do bold, brash, and daring things with it.  Take some serious risk.  Once long ago, wasn&#8217;t Pontiac considered to be GM&#8217;s experimental division?<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: jerry weber</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/general-motors-death-watch-188-the-bottom-line/comment-page-1/#comment-600182</link>
		<dc:creator>jerry weber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 22:27:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We talk about all of these alphabet soup products at GM as if they had time to germinate in the marketplace, they don&#039;t. Let&#039;s take lambda SUV&#039;s they are classic GM, great out of the gate but no legs for annual consecutive sales. A lambda weighs nearly 5000 pounds and in all around driving might hit 16mpg. To do this GM fiddled with the six speed linkage and it doesn&#039;t shift smoothly. Now this is good compared to what? A full sized suburban or tahoe. If they get 12mpg all around this is 25% right and they are lightweights as the big chevy&#039;s go close to 6000lbs. empty. Do you see the lunacy here. If gas is $4.00 and either stays there or goes for $5.00, both of these lines are dinasours. Read what the auto-press says about GM&#039;s partway hy-brid system. You might see 20mpg on a trip and 16 around town with a tahoe. This is not what people are looking for. Here, compacts and sub-compacts rule and guess who has a 30 year franchise on these types of cars. Honda &amp; toyota come to mind, as the little jewel boxes of small cars. Pleasant, good performance, economy,service history, and best of all resale value. This has been burnished for at least two generations of Americans. Now the rest of America who didn&#039;t look at these cars before are looking for a smaller fuel efficient model. Guess where they will look first? Guess what their children will recommend if they ask the young-uns. If they read consume reports, guess what they will advise? Guess who has dealers with yard full (minus the hybrids) of these things right now ready to drive away? Guess who will have even better models to replace the ones we now see in the next couple of years? If you answer all of these questions honestly, you see the future of GM.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->We talk about all of these alphabet soup products at GM as if they had time to germinate in the marketplace, they don&#8217;t. Let&#8217;s take lambda SUV&#8217;s they are classic GM, great out of the gate but no legs for annual consecutive sales. A lambda weighs nearly 5000 pounds and in all around driving might hit 16mpg. To do this GM fiddled with the six speed linkage and it doesn&#8217;t shift smoothly. Now this is good compared to what? A full sized suburban or tahoe. If they get 12mpg all around this is 25% right and they are lightweights as the big chevy&#8217;s go close to 6000lbs. empty. Do you see the lunacy here. If gas is $4.00 and either stays there or goes for $5.00, both of these lines are dinasours. Read what the auto-press says about GM&#8217;s partway hy-brid system. You might see 20mpg on a trip and 16 around town with a tahoe. This is not what people are looking for. Here, compacts and sub-compacts rule and guess who has a 30 year franchise on these types of cars. Honda &amp; toyota come to mind, as the little jewel boxes of small cars. Pleasant, good performance, economy,service history, and best of all resale value. This has been burnished for at least two generations of Americans. Now the rest of America who didn&#8217;t look at these cars before are looking for a smaller fuel efficient model. Guess where they will look first? Guess what their children will recommend if they ask the young-uns. If they read consume reports, guess what they will advise? Guess who has dealers with yard full (minus the hybrids) of these things right now ready to drive away? Guess who will have even better models to replace the ones we now see in the next couple of years? If you answer all of these questions honestly, you see the future of GM.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: jschaef481</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/general-motors-death-watch-188-the-bottom-line/comment-page-1/#comment-600172</link>
		<dc:creator>jschaef481</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 22:24:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can&#039;t separate and sell the brands that easily. Too much badge-engineering, too many common components to separate any for sale. Only option...eliminate.</description>
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		<title>By: jschaef481</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/general-motors-death-watch-188-the-bottom-line/comment-page-1/#comment-600162</link>
		<dc:creator>jschaef481</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 22:22:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The horse is not dead yet. It is dying, but in denial about its circumstance.</description>
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		<title>By: yournamehere</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/general-motors-death-watch-188-the-bottom-line/comment-page-1/#comment-600161</link>
		<dc:creator>yournamehere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 22:21:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what if GM sells of Caddy and Pontiac/GMC. i feel they still have some value. true they are some of GMs stronger brands but thats the point. How much is Buick worth right now? sell Caddy and ue the money to build Buick. and Use the money from Pontaic/GMC to build up Saturn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->what if GM sells of Caddy and Pontiac/GMC. i feel they still have some value. true they are some of GMs stronger brands but thats the point. How much is Buick worth right now? sell Caddy and ue the money to build Buick. and Use the money from Pontaic/GMC to build up Saturn.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: eggsalad</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/general-motors-death-watch-188-the-bottom-line/comment-page-1/#comment-600142</link>
		<dc:creator>eggsalad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 22:13:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beating the dead horse: no longer fun.</description>
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