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	<title>Comments on: Fuel-Making Fungus. Ew.</title>
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		<title>By: Landcrusher</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/fuel-making-fungus-ew/comment-page-1/#comment-927712</link>
		<dc:creator>Landcrusher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 03:12:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s likely a good idea, but what did they make all the fuel cans lined up behind her out of? Soy?

Also, the problem with NG is that when you drill, you often find oil instead. The NG used to be considered an undesirable byproduct in many foreign sites because the cost to make the pipeline was too high. They just burn it off.

It will be interesting to see what $50 oil does to NG. I am still thinking it&#039;s closer to $80 by summer though.</description>
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<p>Also, the problem with NG is that when you drill, you often find oil instead. The NG used to be considered an undesirable byproduct in many foreign sites because the cost to make the pipeline was too high. They just burn it off.</p>
<p>It will be interesting to see what $50 oil does to NG. I am still thinking it&#8217;s closer to $80 by summer though.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Greg Locock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Locock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 03:08:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>psarhjinian - you are rightish about CNG, wrong about LPG. An OEM LPG installation, using a tank that fits in place of the gasoline tank, will typically give you 2/3 -3/4 of the range of the gasoline vehicle. Emissions can be better, power is typically down by 10% because the gas displaces air in the charge, but that disadvantage will be removed when we go to direct injection, which will happen in the next five years I think. The octane rating is higher so down the track you could see better power with LPG.

LPG is a pretty sensible fuel, it is popular in Australia. Probably half of urban service stations carry it. Refueling takes longer than a gasoline car, but not much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->psarhjinian &#8211; you are rightish about CNG, wrong about LPG. An OEM LPG installation, using a tank that fits in place of the gasoline tank, will typically give you 2/3 -3/4 of the range of the gasoline vehicle. Emissions can be better, power is typically down by 10% because the gas displaces air in the charge, but that disadvantage will be removed when we go to direct injection, which will happen in the next five years I think. The octane rating is higher so down the track you could see better power with LPG.</p>
<p>LPG is a pretty sensible fuel, it is popular in Australia. Probably half of urban service stations carry it. Refueling takes longer than a gasoline car, but not much.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: akitadog</title>
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		<dc:creator>akitadog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 19:07:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hot hippy-chick has the right idea.

Seriously, this is an excellent development in the world of renewable fuels! Leave it to the scientists to make the fungus more efficient and productive (like they&#039;ve done with cows and milk production) and this is a winner all around. I&#039;ve got to find out more, and where can I invest?</description>
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<p>Seriously, this is an excellent development in the world of renewable fuels! Leave it to the scientists to make the fungus more efficient and productive (like they&#8217;ve done with cows and milk production) and this is a winner all around. I&#8217;ve got to find out more, and where can I invest?<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: psarhjinian</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/fuel-making-fungus-ew/comment-page-1/#comment-926202</link>
		<dc:creator>psarhjinian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 18:24:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Since we already have shitloads of Natural Gas, why don’t we just use it?&lt;/em&gt;

Several reasons. Natural gas:
* Isn&#039;t as energy-dense
* Is very difficult to store.  You give up a lot of trunk space for that tank,
* Is more prone to accidental ignition.  You can (and I&#039;ve tried) put a lit match out by submerging it in gasoline.  You absolutely cannot do that with CNG
* Is very difficult to dispense.  Commercial systems are slow and expensive.  Home systems like Phill are cheaper, but agnozingly slow (like, &quot;eight hours to fill a tank&quot; slow)
* Requires a more expensive distribution system
* Is not a viable option for many engines without a redesign.  It&#039;s especially ill-suited to small-displacements.

I like CNG/LPG: it burns very clean, but it&#039;s not really suited to use outside certain circumstances.  It also fails to address the unlocked carbon issue.  The reason this fungus is a good thing is that it produces a fuel that solves most of these issues and doesn&#039;t release previously-locked carbon into the atmosphere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><em>Since we already have shitloads of Natural Gas, why don’t we just use it?</em></p>
<p>Several reasons. Natural gas:<br />
* Isn&#8217;t as energy-dense<br />
* Is very difficult to store.  You give up a lot of trunk space for that tank,<br />
* Is more prone to accidental ignition.  You can (and I&#8217;ve tried) put a lit match out by submerging it in gasoline.  You absolutely cannot do that with CNG<br />
* Is very difficult to dispense.  Commercial systems are slow and expensive.  Home systems like Phill are cheaper, but agnozingly slow (like, &#8220;eight hours to fill a tank&#8221; slow)<br />
* Requires a more expensive distribution system<br />
* Is not a viable option for many engines without a redesign.  It&#8217;s especially ill-suited to small-displacements.</p>
<p>I like CNG/LPG: it burns very clean, but it&#8217;s not really suited to use outside certain circumstances.  It also fails to address the unlocked carbon issue.  The reason this fungus is a good thing is that it produces a fuel that solves most of these issues and doesn&#8217;t release previously-locked carbon into the atmosphere.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Wolven</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wolven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 17:18:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since we already have shitloads of Natural Gas, why don&#039;t we just use it?</description>
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		<title>By: shaker</title>
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		<dc:creator>shaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 16:58:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...and it makes a DELICIOUS GRAVY!</description>
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		<title>By: John Horner</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Horner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 16:32:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Move over King Midas, a fungus which turns everything it touches into oil is more valuable than your old golden parlor trick!</description>
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		<title>By: jerseydevil</title>
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		<dc:creator>jerseydevil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 15:08:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>except that the rain forests where it grows were leveled one day last week to grow more corn for ethanl.</description>
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		<title>By: Casual Observer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Casual Observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 14:21:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fungi are people too!  Why are we kidnapping them from their Patagonia paradise to do our dirty work for us?</description>
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		<title>By: psarhjinian</title>
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		<dc:creator>psarhjinian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 14:06:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;if this pans out, I fear Archer Daniels Midlands will manage it that corn continues to be the feedstock used.&lt;/em&gt;

Yes, but making sure that every acre of biodiverse forest is burned to the ground in favour of genetically homogenous corn fields.  ADM and Monsanto make Exxon look like the Sierra Club.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><em>if this pans out, I fear Archer Daniels Midlands will manage it that corn continues to be the feedstock used.</em></p>
<p>Yes, but making sure that every acre of biodiverse forest is burned to the ground in favour of genetically homogenous corn fields.  ADM and Monsanto make Exxon look like the Sierra Club.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: chuckgoolsbee</title>
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		<dc:creator>chuckgoolsbee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 13:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Odd... things never look that appealing when I&#039;m pumping home brew BioDiesel into my TDI.

--chuck</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Odd&#8230; things never look that appealing when I&#8217;m pumping home brew BioDiesel into my TDI.</p>
<p>&#8211;chuck<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: johnny ro</title>
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		<dc:creator>johnny ro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 13:23:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>if this pans out, I fear Archer Daniels Midlands will manage it that corn continues to be the feedstock used.</description>
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		<title>By: AG</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/fuel-making-fungus-ew/comment-page-1/#comment-924622</link>
		<dc:creator>AG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 13:18:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always knew using fungus and algae were a better, more carbon neutral way of producing fuels than giving billions in subsidies to corn farmers in Iowa.</description>
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