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	<title>Comments on: Ford Workers: Hell No, We Won&#8217;t Go</title>
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		<title>By: Matthew Potena</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew Potena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 15:36:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the basic assumption of the UAW (and people in general) is that the value of their work should continually go up. This does not take into consideration the changing economy. 

While assembling an automobile might have been worth $50 per hour in 1950,(or whatever the current equivalent is including benefits), with the march of technology, that work can be accomplished cheaper (automation, lower cost countries gaining the ability to do the same work, etc.) What about all the workers in the typewriter factories, or the smiths who made shoes for horses? Should there have been guarantees that their employment continue even though their products were no longer acceptable to the market? 

There are literally hundreds of industries who have  been forced into extinction due to the changing market, and there are hundreds of industries who have taken advantage of that very change and become successful. America leads the world in software, financial services, entertainment, pharma, etc. 

I truly feel sorry for ANY worker who is displaced (and has an employee of a home builder, I might be in that exact position soon), but you cannot change the market. David Ricardo, back in 1817, showed that just by the functions of the market, certain countries will be more efficient producers of certain goods (or services), while other countries will be more efficient at others. This is the idea of comparative advantage. 

Right now, the Asian countries have the advantage in automobile manufacturing. There is nothing that Washington can do about that, and any attempt to insulate Detroit is doomed to failure (Smoot Hawley). Also, forcing America to produce goods at which it is not the most efficient producer, will take away capital and labor from doing those things at which we are the most efficient producers. 

The problem is that you cannot count the jobs you DON&#039;T create because you artificially support inefficient jobs.

Funny, the supporters of &quot;change&quot; really don&#039;t want any change at all........</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->I think the basic assumption of the UAW (and people in general) is that the value of their work should continually go up. This does not take into consideration the changing economy. </p>
<p>While assembling an automobile might have been worth $50 per hour in 1950,(or whatever the current equivalent is including benefits), with the march of technology, that work can be accomplished cheaper (automation, lower cost countries gaining the ability to do the same work, etc.) What about all the workers in the typewriter factories, or the smiths who made shoes for horses? Should there have been guarantees that their employment continue even though their products were no longer acceptable to the market? </p>
<p>There are literally hundreds of industries who have  been forced into extinction due to the changing market, and there are hundreds of industries who have taken advantage of that very change and become successful. America leads the world in software, financial services, entertainment, pharma, etc. </p>
<p>I truly feel sorry for ANY worker who is displaced (and has an employee of a home builder, I might be in that exact position soon), but you cannot change the market. David Ricardo, back in 1817, showed that just by the functions of the market, certain countries will be more efficient producers of certain goods (or services), while other countries will be more efficient at others. This is the idea of comparative advantage. </p>
<p>Right now, the Asian countries have the advantage in automobile manufacturing. There is nothing that Washington can do about that, and any attempt to insulate Detroit is doomed to failure (Smoot Hawley). Also, forcing America to produce goods at which it is not the most efficient producer, will take away capital and labor from doing those things at which we are the most efficient producers. </p>
<p>The problem is that you cannot count the jobs you DON&#8217;T create because you artificially support inefficient jobs.</p>
<p>Funny, the supporters of &#8220;change&#8221; really don&#8217;t want any change at all&#8230;&#8230;..<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Blastman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blastman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 02:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post obbop. 

Here&#039;s a little rant of my own. 

The international elite&#039;s have been selling the America public on free trade for 30 years. They call it free trade, but it&#039;s anything but free. All trade has potential costs, and the cost to jobs can be huge in the long run. The head of many of these big corporations would rather make runners in Asia for a $1/piece, ship them here, and make a big profit and a big executive compensation package. Of course, with open borders (&quot;free trade&quot;), the American worker now has to compete with someone in Asia making $1/hour. And with factories overseas that have less environmental regulation, less tax burden, and less overall regulation in just about any area one can think of. Overall production costs can be a fraction of what they are here. 

To produce wealth, you have to produce something. A manufacturing plant of a 1000 workers can be the backbone support for a whole town of 12 - 15,000 people. The trickle-down effect of wealth from this plant will support all types of jobs in the town that will include many types of services, books stores, dry-cleaning, restaurants, ..etc. Close the plant down, and a huge amount of these businesses in the town will not survive. 

It used to be that one would trade for things you either couldn&#039;t produce at home, didn&#039;t have, or luxury specialty type items only produced elsewhere. The idea that someone else should be producing my runners or jeans in another country, when we could make them ourselves and employ people here, was considered just plain stupid. You don&#039;t see this type of free-trade attitude in places like China. They want jobs. How do you make jobs? By making/producing something. They don&#039;t want someone else to make their runners, they want to employ people at home to produce things themselves. 

Of course, if the government opens up the borders to &quot;free-trade&quot;, perhaps at the behest and lobbying effort of the executives at some of these big corporations, then the economy may start to suffer as jobs move out of the country. So what does the government do to cover up the effect of these job loses? Deficit spending. The government borrows money, and spends more than it is taking in. This increased money in the economy from government deficit spending basically attempts to mitigate the reduced economic activity form all these jobs being moved out of the country. But, you can only do this &quot;free-trade&quot; and deficit spending trick for so long before the chickens start to come home and roost.  Eventually, thus type of &quot;free-trade&quot; will hurt the standard of living.

Major problems in the American economy would have likely started much sooner if not for the technological revolution (microchip, computers) that started in the late 1970&#039;s, spanning the 1980 and 1990&#039;s. Not only were huge gains in productivity made as a result of this technological revolution and the microchip, but millions of good jobs (and trickle-down jobs) were produced as result too. Computers allowed information to flow, microchip control of manufacturing plants and processes allowed big gains in productivity with robotics and streamlined production techniques. And just about all this new computer technology was homegrown in the US. At first, many of the technologies were so cutting edge that everything was produced here -- like memory chips for computers. But eventually, as the technology becomes more widely disseminated and mainstream, it becomes possible to move production of these things outside the country (in the case of memory chips, to Asia). 

I would be considered politically a conservative, but my position is this &quot;free-trade&quot; being sold to the public is a scam. What we need is managed-trade, where the government looks out for the jobs of workers of this country, rather than just the executives who want million-dollar pay packages. What are workers going to do here? Twiddle our thumbs while the government gives us welfare and raises everyone&#039;s taxes to pay for it, and perhaps borrows even more money running the government even deeper into debt? At first, this tech revolution (1980/90&#039;s) was able to produce more jobs than were being exported out of the country. But the party is over folks, and the jobs produced by that technological revolution has mostly run its course. I think the real effect of moving all these jobs out of the country will finally start to seriously affect the country and be felt by the average worker.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Good post obbop. </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a little rant of my own. </p>
<p>The international elite&#8217;s have been selling the America public on free trade for 30 years. They call it free trade, but it&#8217;s anything but free. All trade has potential costs, and the cost to jobs can be huge in the long run. The head of many of these big corporations would rather make runners in Asia for a $1/piece, ship them here, and make a big profit and a big executive compensation package. Of course, with open borders (&#8221;free trade&#8221;), the American worker now has to compete with someone in Asia making $1/hour. And with factories overseas that have less environmental regulation, less tax burden, and less overall regulation in just about any area one can think of. Overall production costs can be a fraction of what they are here. </p>
<p>To produce wealth, you have to produce something. A manufacturing plant of a 1000 workers can be the backbone support for a whole town of 12 &#8211; 15,000 people. The trickle-down effect of wealth from this plant will support all types of jobs in the town that will include many types of services, books stores, dry-cleaning, restaurants, ..etc. Close the plant down, and a huge amount of these businesses in the town will not survive. </p>
<p>It used to be that one would trade for things you either couldn&#8217;t produce at home, didn&#8217;t have, or luxury specialty type items only produced elsewhere. The idea that someone else should be producing my runners or jeans in another country, when we could make them ourselves and employ people here, was considered just plain stupid. You don&#8217;t see this type of free-trade attitude in places like China. They want jobs. How do you make jobs? By making/producing something. They don&#8217;t want someone else to make their runners, they want to employ people at home to produce things themselves. </p>
<p>Of course, if the government opens up the borders to &#8220;free-trade&#8221;, perhaps at the behest and lobbying effort of the executives at some of these big corporations, then the economy may start to suffer as jobs move out of the country. So what does the government do to cover up the effect of these job loses? Deficit spending. The government borrows money, and spends more than it is taking in. This increased money in the economy from government deficit spending basically attempts to mitigate the reduced economic activity form all these jobs being moved out of the country. But, you can only do this &#8220;free-trade&#8221; and deficit spending trick for so long before the chickens start to come home and roost.  Eventually, thus type of &#8220;free-trade&#8221; will hurt the standard of living.</p>
<p>Major problems in the American economy would have likely started much sooner if not for the technological revolution (microchip, computers) that started in the late 1970&#8217;s, spanning the 1980 and 1990&#8217;s. Not only were huge gains in productivity made as a result of this technological revolution and the microchip, but millions of good jobs (and trickle-down jobs) were produced as result too. Computers allowed information to flow, microchip control of manufacturing plants and processes allowed big gains in productivity with robotics and streamlined production techniques. And just about all this new computer technology was homegrown in the US. At first, many of the technologies were so cutting edge that everything was produced here &#8212; like memory chips for computers. But eventually, as the technology becomes more widely disseminated and mainstream, it becomes possible to move production of these things outside the country (in the case of memory chips, to Asia). </p>
<p>I would be considered politically a conservative, but my position is this &#8220;free-trade&#8221; being sold to the public is a scam. What we need is managed-trade, where the government looks out for the jobs of workers of this country, rather than just the executives who want million-dollar pay packages. What are workers going to do here? Twiddle our thumbs while the government gives us welfare and raises everyone&#8217;s taxes to pay for it, and perhaps borrows even more money running the government even deeper into debt? At first, this tech revolution (1980/90&#8217;s) was able to produce more jobs than were being exported out of the country. But the party is over folks, and the jobs produced by that technological revolution has mostly run its course. I think the real effect of moving all these jobs out of the country will finally start to seriously affect the country and be felt by the average worker.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Andy D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 01:18:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dont  envy the rank + file UAW worker. Prolly  the  last gasp of  big  manufacturing left  in  the country. Plumbers rake  in  good   money. But, they are dependent on   the housing mkt and ecomomic  good times  in general. The  manufacturing and  industrial base  is  no longer big  enough to  employ large  numbers of  skilled  workers. We are fast becoming  a  nation of  cube rats  and  hamburger  flippers. These jobs  dont  pay enough to buy products  made  here.  The short  sightedness of money people has finally  caught  up. This  is why  I&#039;m totally  against any bail out  that  does not  directly help out me  and  the rest  of  blue collar-dom. Bailing out  the  bastards  who  made  the  mess is a slap in the face to every worker who has  struggled to keep his  head above water. 
 Much  as   I would like to be a modern day  Guy Fawkes, the only way  I can voice  my dis-satisfaction was to vote against  every incumbent on  my ballot.  Small comfort.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->I dont  envy the rank + file UAW worker. Prolly  the  last gasp of  big  manufacturing left  in  the country. Plumbers rake  in  good   money. But, they are dependent on   the housing mkt and ecomomic  good times  in general. The  manufacturing and  industrial base  is  no longer big  enough to  employ large  numbers of  skilled  workers. We are fast becoming  a  nation of  cube rats  and  hamburger  flippers. These jobs  dont  pay enough to buy products  made  here.  The short  sightedness of money people has finally  caught  up. This  is why  I&#8217;m totally  against any bail out  that  does not  directly help out me  and  the rest  of  blue collar-dom. Bailing out  the  bastards  who  made  the  mess is a slap in the face to every worker who has  struggled to keep his  head above water.<br />
 Much  as   I would like to be a modern day  Guy Fawkes, the only way  I can voice  my dis-satisfaction was to vote against  every incumbent on  my ballot.  Small comfort.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: br549</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 22:34:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In addition to having a business degree, I&#039;m also a journeyman toolmaker. Not having much luck on that front either.</description>
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		<title>By: Matthew Danda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew Danda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 22:24:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A fundamental shift is occurring in the job market--an intense focus on core skills. A plumber can easily make more than a business major because the plumber has skills, the business major has...a diploma. Things are changing...degrees are not as important these days...but tangible skills are. Sure, &quot;soft&quot; skills enable you to succeed and rise in an organization, but tangible &quot;hard&quot; skills get you employed in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->A fundamental shift is occurring in the job market&#8211;an intense focus on core skills. A plumber can easily make more than a business major because the plumber has skills, the business major has&#8230;a diploma. Things are changing&#8230;degrees are not as important these days&#8230;but tangible skills are. Sure, &#8220;soft&#8221; skills enable you to succeed and rise in an organization, but tangible &#8220;hard&#8221; skills get you employed in the first place.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: 50merc</title>
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		<dc:creator>50merc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 19:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heathroi, I wasn&#039;t suggesting a new Smoot-Hawley Act, I was saying that fear and uncertainty tempt people to employ extreme measures.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Heathroi, I wasn&#8217;t suggesting a new Smoot-Hawley Act, I was saying that fear and uncertainty tempt people to employ extreme measures.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: HEATHROI</title>
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		<dc:creator>HEATHROI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 19:33:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;A Smoot-Hawley tariff act looks pretty good to those folks.&lt;/em&gt;

really?!? you think that will fix it?? remember what happened last time?

All that will do is lift the price of everything. even stuff made here. well not everything  Our wages, ummmm, won&#039;t.

We are so doomed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><em>A Smoot-Hawley tariff act looks pretty good to those folks.</em></p>
<p>really?!? you think that will fix it?? remember what happened last time?</p>
<p>All that will do is lift the price of everything. even stuff made here. well not everything  Our wages, ummmm, won&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: 50merc</title>
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		<dc:creator>50merc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 18:26:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, obbpop and NickR, for sharing the stories of your experiences. Anyone with a heart will have empathy for those who have been or are about to be in your situation. Good luck to you.

The D3&#039;s oligopolistic pricing power and UAW&#039;s monopolistic control of labor supply worked together wonderfully for its participants for many years. Now there is wrenching change, and that has left many people bewildered and angry. A comment on the Freep&#039;s story had this cri de coeur: &quot;Tell me why you sheep have accepted that your standard of living has to go down, our fathers and grand fathers fought hard to get a factory worker a decent life, none of us are getting rich. The 1% that control the wealth in this country have pounded it in heads and now you think that you have to roll over. You don&#039;t have to, start fighting for a better life for those who can&#039;t go to college. The days of being able to go from high school to decent job to raise your family has to come back. Before all the suppliers made pretty good wages, now no one makes enough to buy the cars their making parts for. Support Tariffs on imported goods, bring back the middle class, or the havenots will be serving the haves and that&#039;s no life.&quot;

A Smoot-Hawley tariff act looks pretty good to those folks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Thank you, obbpop and NickR, for sharing the stories of your experiences. Anyone with a heart will have empathy for those who have been or are about to be in your situation. Good luck to you.</p>
<p>The D3&#8217;s oligopolistic pricing power and UAW&#8217;s monopolistic control of labor supply worked together wonderfully for its participants for many years. Now there is wrenching change, and that has left many people bewildered and angry. A comment on the Freep&#8217;s story had this cri de coeur: &#8220;Tell me why you sheep have accepted that your standard of living has to go down, our fathers and grand fathers fought hard to get a factory worker a decent life, none of us are getting rich. The 1% that control the wealth in this country have pounded it in heads and now you think that you have to roll over. You don&#8217;t have to, start fighting for a better life for those who can&#8217;t go to college. The days of being able to go from high school to decent job to raise your family has to come back. Before all the suppliers made pretty good wages, now no one makes enough to buy the cars their making parts for. Support Tariffs on imported goods, bring back the middle class, or the havenots will be serving the haves and that&#8217;s no life.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: NickR</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 17:43:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>obbop...if it is any consolation, nothing immunizes one against the ups and downs of their employers.  I worked in sales for 5 years after graduating and all the employers in my industry were anxious for their employees to get MBAs.  I resigned and went back to school full time foregoing what would have been a great bonus, two years of income, and incurred the expense of two years full-time school at what is generally considered a prestigious university.  I graduated in 1996 and since then have, in total, been unemployed for over 3 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->obbop&#8230;if it is any consolation, nothing immunizes one against the ups and downs of their employers.  I worked in sales for 5 years after graduating and all the employers in my industry were anxious for their employees to get MBAs.  I resigned and went back to school full time foregoing what would have been a great bonus, two years of income, and incurred the expense of two years full-time school at what is generally considered a prestigious university.  I graduated in 1996 and since then have, in total, been unemployed for over 3 years.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: jkross22</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 16:43:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@obbop

Try sales.  Sell something you&#039;re excited about, and you can earn good money if working for the right company.</description>
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		<title>By: obbop</title>
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		<dc:creator>obbop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 16:09:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having seen the one decent job I&#039;ve found in the past quarter-century sail away across the sea (along with several thousand other averge Joe and Jane blue-collar folks doing the work &quot;Americans will not do&quot; working for the same firm) I can feel the pain of the folks at Ford.

Re-education is not always a panacea.

I was extremely grateful (still am) for funds provided by the union, the firm and the taxpayer vis the Feds (thank you, taxpayers, I mean it) to assist in paying for two years training.

Sadly, I have always been weak at math, despite truly trying, so that kept me out of many career paths.

Still, I labored mightily and gotta&#039; 3.9 outta&#039; 4.0 GPA on top of the AS I already possessed from my early days to obtain a Social Studies 7-12th grade teaching certificate.

The result... off-and-on substitute teaching with no benefits, scraping by, regularly confronting 300 and more competing applicants for each of the few openings I qualified for. Know that you need a certificate for each state, it&#039;s not as if you can just hop from state to state and apply. Also, states tend to hire their &quot;local folks.&quot;

Sigh.......

Politicos tend to spew the rhetoric about some magical &quot;retraining&quot; being a panacea for lost jobs/careers, for industries departing the country, etc.

As the service industry becomes an ever-larger portion of the economy more folks are confronting a lack of benefits and lowered wages.

The working-poor are increasing in numbers and percentage of the work force.

The &quot;underclass&quot; often finds itself competing directly with illegal aliens for jobs, housing, etc. Supply/demand directly affects the lower classes. &quot;Huh, a teacher is affected by illegals?,&quot; I envision the audience mumbling. Yep, they drive up the cost of affordable housing in areas they congregate. And, to supplement the off/on subbing work I had to compete for jobs in the service industry.

Please pardon my personal &quot;tale of woe&quot; but for those who have avoided the fate of millions of American workes the past three decades or so... well, I and many others still count our blessings for living in the USA vice many other parts of the world but..... despite one&#039;s political inclinations, it is easy for me to understand the outcome of the latest prez. election.

There&#039;a a lotta&#039; desperate folks out there and I believe a growing number of good decent Americans who have lost hope in a better economic future as well as expectations of further personal economic declines.

Remember; we all can&#039;t be CEOs, doctors, CPAs, software programmers, etc. Not everybody has the abilities, capabilities and finances to pursue the latest &quot;hot&quot; career path. Besides, how many career paths CAN be pursued. 

In conclusion... as some of you may have experienced, as one grows older it becomes harder to get hire even if re-trained.

Thank you for taking the time to read this. Please hold at least a bit of empathy who have gone through or face the loss of a decent job/career.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Having seen the one decent job I&#8217;ve found in the past quarter-century sail away across the sea (along with several thousand other averge Joe and Jane blue-collar folks doing the work &#8220;Americans will not do&#8221; working for the same firm) I can feel the pain of the folks at Ford.</p>
<p>Re-education is not always a panacea.</p>
<p>I was extremely grateful (still am) for funds provided by the union, the firm and the taxpayer vis the Feds (thank you, taxpayers, I mean it) to assist in paying for two years training.</p>
<p>Sadly, I have always been weak at math, despite truly trying, so that kept me out of many career paths.</p>
<p>Still, I labored mightily and gotta&#8217; 3.9 outta&#8217; 4.0 GPA on top of the AS I already possessed from my early days to obtain a Social Studies 7-12th grade teaching certificate.</p>
<p>The result&#8230; off-and-on substitute teaching with no benefits, scraping by, regularly confronting 300 and more competing applicants for each of the few openings I qualified for. Know that you need a certificate for each state, it&#8217;s not as if you can just hop from state to state and apply. Also, states tend to hire their &#8220;local folks.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sigh&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>Politicos tend to spew the rhetoric about some magical &#8220;retraining&#8221; being a panacea for lost jobs/careers, for industries departing the country, etc.</p>
<p>As the service industry becomes an ever-larger portion of the economy more folks are confronting a lack of benefits and lowered wages.</p>
<p>The working-poor are increasing in numbers and percentage of the work force.</p>
<p>The &#8220;underclass&#8221; often finds itself competing directly with illegal aliens for jobs, housing, etc. Supply/demand directly affects the lower classes. &#8220;Huh, a teacher is affected by illegals?,&#8221; I envision the audience mumbling. Yep, they drive up the cost of affordable housing in areas they congregate. And, to supplement the off/on subbing work I had to compete for jobs in the service industry.</p>
<p>Please pardon my personal &#8220;tale of woe&#8221; but for those who have avoided the fate of millions of American workes the past three decades or so&#8230; well, I and many others still count our blessings for living in the USA vice many other parts of the world but&#8230;.. despite one&#8217;s political inclinations, it is easy for me to understand the outcome of the latest prez. election.</p>
<p>There&#8217;a a lotta&#8217; desperate folks out there and I believe a growing number of good decent Americans who have lost hope in a better economic future as well as expectations of further personal economic declines.</p>
<p>Remember; we all can&#8217;t be CEOs, doctors, CPAs, software programmers, etc. Not everybody has the abilities, capabilities and finances to pursue the latest &#8220;hot&#8221; career path. Besides, how many career paths CAN be pursued. </p>
<p>In conclusion&#8230; as some of you may have experienced, as one grows older it becomes harder to get hire even if re-trained.</p>
<p>Thank you for taking the time to read this. Please hold at least a bit of empathy who have gone through or face the loss of a decent job/career.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: br549</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/ford-workers-hell-no-we-wont-go/comment-page-1/#comment-925331</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 15:53:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;My contention has long been that the folks with options… be it a concrete plan … a dream (pipe or otherwise) …a chance to open a business or go back to school, start a new life womewhere else, whatever… took the money and ran during one of the earlier buyouts.&lt;/em&gt;

Not necessarily. The issue is time. I took adavantage of tuition assistance and earned a business degree summa cum laude just this year, which does not seem to get any potential employer&#039;s attention. The acceptance window for my offer was about 3 weeks, simply not enough time to find alternative employemt unless one just falls into something. So, you&#039;re typically left with one of two options: either find a job which most likely will not be offered while a buyout is on the table, or take the buyout with no job in hand. Then one risks having to live off of the buyout money, which defeats the whole purpose. Well, you may say, my employer would give me absolutely nothing in the event that I depart. Well then, you have no quandary. Just find a job and leave. But ask yourself, if a potentail $100k was before you, would that not compicate your decision? Especially considering that you will be leaving behind a 13 year (in my case) career with top-notch wage and benefits?</description>
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<p>Not necessarily. The issue is time. I took adavantage of tuition assistance and earned a business degree summa cum laude just this year, which does not seem to get any potential employer&#8217;s attention. The acceptance window for my offer was about 3 weeks, simply not enough time to find alternative employemt unless one just falls into something. So, you&#8217;re typically left with one of two options: either find a job which most likely will not be offered while a buyout is on the table, or take the buyout with no job in hand. Then one risks having to live off of the buyout money, which defeats the whole purpose. Well, you may say, my employer would give me absolutely nothing in the event that I depart. Well then, you have no quandary. Just find a job and leave. But ask yourself, if a potentail $100k was before you, would that not compicate your decision? Especially considering that you will be leaving behind a 13 year (in my case) career with top-notch wage and benefits?<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: TaurusGT500</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/ford-workers-hell-no-we-wont-go/comment-page-1/#comment-925061</link>
		<dc:creator>TaurusGT500</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 15:01:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My contention has long been that the folks with options... be it a concrete plan ... a dream (pipe or otherwise) ...a chance to open a business or go back to school, start a new life womewhere else, whatever... took the money and ran during one of the earlier buyouts.

The folks left behind now?  No options.  ...Digging in. ...Just going to hang bumpers till they shut out the lights in Motown.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->My contention has long been that the folks with options&#8230; be it a concrete plan &#8230; a dream (pipe or otherwise) &#8230;a chance to open a business or go back to school, start a new life womewhere else, whatever&#8230; took the money and ran during one of the earlier buyouts.</p>
<p>The folks left behind now?  No options.  &#8230;Digging in. &#8230;Just going to hang bumpers till they shut out the lights in Motown.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: bobkarafin</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/ford-workers-hell-no-we-wont-go/comment-page-1/#comment-924972</link>
		<dc:creator>bobkarafin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 14:40:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Matthew Danda : 
November 6th, 2008 at 10:25 am 


I can’t imagine living in a world in which your employer actually wants to pay you to quit. Wow. In IT or telecom or just about any other industry they’d just pack your stuff and kick you out.&lt;/em&gt;

Now that Obama is on his way to the White House, Card Check is on its way too.  

Just wait a couple years until Microsoft and Google get unionized, and you&#039;ll see the same thing happening there too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><em>Matthew Danda :<br />
November 6th, 2008 at 10:25 am </p>
<p>I can’t imagine living in a world in which your employer actually wants to pay you to quit. Wow. In IT or telecom or just about any other industry they’d just pack your stuff and kick you out.</em></p>
<p>Now that Obama is on his way to the White House, Card Check is on its way too.  </p>
<p>Just wait a couple years until Microsoft and Google get unionized, and you&#8217;ll see the same thing happening there too.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: jaje</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/ford-workers-hell-no-we-wont-go/comment-page-1/#comment-924951</link>
		<dc:creator>jaje</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 14:32:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ford Worker - &quot;Hmm...maybe this lounge chair and umbrella would look better over hear by the railing where that lifeboat used to be.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Ford Worker &#8211; &#8220;Hmm&#8230;maybe this lounge chair and umbrella would look better over hear by the railing where that lifeboat used to be.&#8221;<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: autoemployeefornow</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/ford-workers-hell-no-we-wont-go/comment-page-1/#comment-924932</link>
		<dc:creator>autoemployeefornow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 14:30:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Take the money or be fired and get nothing .........  hmmmmmmmmmmmm ...... I guess I&#039;ll take nothing.  Thanks !!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Take the money or be fired and get nothing &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;  hmmmmmmmmmmmm &#8230;&#8230; I guess I&#8217;ll take nothing.  Thanks !!<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Danda</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/ford-workers-hell-no-we-wont-go/comment-page-1/#comment-924902</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Danda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 14:25:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t imagine living in a world in which your employer actually wants to pay you to quit. Wow. In IT or telecom or just about any other industry they&#039;d just pack your stuff and kick you out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->I can&#8217;t imagine living in a world in which your employer actually wants to pay you to quit. Wow. In IT or telecom or just about any other industry they&#8217;d just pack your stuff and kick you out.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: TexN</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/ford-workers-hell-no-we-wont-go/comment-page-1/#comment-924842</link>
		<dc:creator>TexN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 14:15:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One other dynamic that has to be a part of the equation is that anyone who would like to relocate has to face the reality of not being able to sell their current home.  There are many layers to this shit sandwich..........</description>
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