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	<title>Comments on: Bailout Watch 328: Ford Tastes Like Burning; CEO Rescinds $15b Cash Claim</title>
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		<title>By: Viceroy_Fizzlebottom</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/ford-tastes-like-burning/comment-page-1/#comment-1139202</link>
		<dc:creator>Viceroy_Fizzlebottom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 17:34:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;My cat&#039;s breath smells like catfood&quot;</description>
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		<title>By: PeteMoran</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/ford-tastes-like-burning/comment-page-1/#comment-1138462</link>
		<dc:creator>PeteMoran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 08:14:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Less cash than they thought? Ford has only just added up the cost of all those incentives during December.</description>
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		<title>By: argentla</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/ford-tastes-like-burning/comment-page-1/#comment-1137792</link>
		<dc:creator>argentla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 01:52:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ P71_CrownVic: Now, that&#039;s just mean...</description>
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		<title>By: Facebook User</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/ford-tastes-like-burning/comment-page-1/#comment-1137512</link>
		<dc:creator>Facebook User</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 23:53:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And here I thought the Flex was Ford&#039;s savior.</description>
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		<title>By: quasimondo</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/ford-tastes-like-burning/comment-page-1/#comment-1137262</link>
		<dc:creator>quasimondo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 23:05:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;According to Wikipedia, the late-1970s Ford Granada (which Obama so lovingly discussed) was meant to be “a competitor to the Mercedes-Benz [E-Class] 280.”&lt;/em&gt;

Never trust wikipedia.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_Mirage#Fourth_generation_.281991-1996.29&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;According to them&lt;/a&gt;, U.S. market Mitsubishi Mirages came from the factory with the same turbocharged four-cylinder engine used in the AWD eclipse.

For that matter, Hyundai advertisers compared the Azera and Sonata to the Lexus LS and BMW 5-Series, but I don&#039;t think they expected buyers to cross shop the two either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><em>According to Wikipedia, the late-1970s Ford Granada (which Obama so lovingly discussed) was meant to be “a competitor to the Mercedes-Benz [E-Class] 280.”</em></p>
<p>Never trust wikipedia.  <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_Mirage#Fourth_generation_.281991-1996.29" rel="nofollow">According to them</a>, U.S. market Mitsubishi Mirages came from the factory with the same turbocharged four-cylinder engine used in the AWD eclipse.</p>
<p>For that matter, Hyundai advertisers compared the Azera and Sonata to the Lexus LS and BMW 5-Series, but I don&#8217;t think they expected buyers to cross shop the two either.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: John Horner</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/ford-tastes-like-burning/comment-page-1/#comment-1136751</link>
		<dc:creator>John Horner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 21:45:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ford positioned the Granada as a bargain Mercedes in its advertising, but I don&#039;t think anyone actually cross-shopped the two. Check out this vintage TV advertisement:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dht4E6yBwsE

Around the same time, Fiat pitched the X1/9 as a bargain basement exotic Italian mid-engined sports car ... but didn&#039;t actually compete with Ferrari :).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Ford positioned the Granada as a bargain Mercedes in its advertising, but I don&#8217;t think anyone actually cross-shopped the two. Check out this vintage TV advertisement:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dht4E6yBwsE" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dht4E6yBwsE</a></p>
<p>Around the same time, Fiat pitched the X1/9 as a bargain basement exotic Italian mid-engined sports car &#8230; but didn&#8217;t actually compete with Ferrari :).<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: PickupMan</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/ford-tastes-like-burning/comment-page-1/#comment-1136622</link>
		<dc:creator>PickupMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 21:28:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@mtypex:
&quot;the late-1970s Ford Granada...competitor to the Mercedes-Benz..&quot;

My first car was a 1979 green Granada. Somebody at Wikipedia is playing a major prank or is way, way over-medicated to make that claim.

PickupMan</description>
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&#8220;the late-1970s Ford Granada&#8230;competitor to the Mercedes-Benz..&#8221;</p>
<p>My first car was a 1979 green Granada. Somebody at Wikipedia is playing a major prank or is way, way over-medicated to make that claim.</p>
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		<title>By: porschespeed</title>
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		<dc:creator>porschespeed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 20:35:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Katie,

Not everyone has forgotten. I try to explain to people all the time how many years of record profit GM would have to have, just to payback their bailout, err, loan. Ford is in a different boat, but it is also taking on water.

The only certainty is bankruptcy. 

The only uncertainty is when and on what terms.</description>
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<p>Not everyone has forgotten. I try to explain to people all the time how many years of record profit GM would have to have, just to payback their bailout, err, loan. Ford is in a different boat, but it is also taking on water.</p>
<p>The only certainty is bankruptcy. </p>
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		<title>By: mtypex</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/ford-tastes-like-burning/comment-page-1/#comment-1136072</link>
		<dc:creator>mtypex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 20:28:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to Wikipedia, the late-1970s Ford Granada (which Obama so lovingly discussed) was meant to be &quot;a competitor to the Mercedes-Benz [E-Class] 280.&quot;

Obama hearts Ford.  Ford is blue, and Obama has got blue state soul - enough to nominate Granmole for commerce-and-jobs czar.</description>
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<p>Obama hearts Ford.  Ford is blue, and Obama has got blue state soul &#8211; enough to nominate Granmole for commerce-and-jobs czar.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Cammy Corrigan</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/ford-tastes-like-burning/comment-page-1/#comment-1135841</link>
		<dc:creator>Cammy Corrigan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 19:59:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a lot of people are forgetting is that although Ford (and the others in Detroit) have a lot of cash on hip and/or access to lines of credit, these piles of cash HAVE TO BE PAID BACK, maybe even at extortionate interest rates.

Which means that their &quot;turnaround&quot; plans can&#039;t just be enough to stablise sales, but to expand at a phenominal rate in order to pay these loans back. And I&#039;m not just talking about the government loans, I&#039;m talking about the private banks who want that money back (considering they have a few cash problem, themselves).

Let&#039;s just consider the loans Ford secured for Alan Mulally&#039;s turnaround plan. They mortgaged EVERYTHING and came up with $25bn. Now, let&#039;s forget interest and concentrate on the core amount. This means Ford need to pony up $25bn from somewhere. Now consider that at the height of the &quot;SUV craze&quot; (circa 2000), Ford was earning on average $1.93bn per quarter. Which means that Ford would need to give all their profits for 13 quarters (over 3 years) in order to pay the loans back. Now, Ford won&#039;t do that, they&#039;ll pay them off incrementally, which means the interest will mount up. This will not help Ford at all with their turnaround plans. 

Now considering that Alan Mulally&#039;s tenure will get Ford stable, they&#039;ll need the next CEO to expand Ford ORGANICALLY to create the money needed to pay all these loans back. Now, top brass at Ford believe that Mark Fields is practically a shoe-in for the role.....

Expect Ford to be in a similar &quot;cash burn&quot; situation 10 years from now.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->What a lot of people are forgetting is that although Ford (and the others in Detroit) have a lot of cash on hip and/or access to lines of credit, these piles of cash HAVE TO BE PAID BACK, maybe even at extortionate interest rates.</p>
<p>Which means that their &#8220;turnaround&#8221; plans can&#8217;t just be enough to stablise sales, but to expand at a phenominal rate in order to pay these loans back. And I&#8217;m not just talking about the government loans, I&#8217;m talking about the private banks who want that money back (considering they have a few cash problem, themselves).</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s just consider the loans Ford secured for Alan Mulally&#8217;s turnaround plan. They mortgaged EVERYTHING and came up with $25bn. Now, let&#8217;s forget interest and concentrate on the core amount. This means Ford need to pony up $25bn from somewhere. Now consider that at the height of the &#8220;SUV craze&#8221; (circa 2000), Ford was earning on average $1.93bn per quarter. Which means that Ford would need to give all their profits for 13 quarters (over 3 years) in order to pay the loans back. Now, Ford won&#8217;t do that, they&#8217;ll pay them off incrementally, which means the interest will mount up. This will not help Ford at all with their turnaround plans. </p>
<p>Now considering that Alan Mulally&#8217;s tenure will get Ford stable, they&#8217;ll need the next CEO to expand Ford ORGANICALLY to create the money needed to pay all these loans back. Now, top brass at Ford believe that Mark Fields is practically a shoe-in for the role&#8230;..</p>
<p>Expect Ford to be in a similar &#8220;cash burn&#8221; situation 10 years from now&#8230;..<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: porschespeed</title>
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		<dc:creator>porschespeed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 19:28:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even if Ford only has, say 14.3B left and access to 10.7B in credit, that puts them at 25B.

Lower burn rate than GM. From most indications, more dinero totally available than GM.

Yet somehow, GM is going to make in through 2009 without any more cash. Uh-huh. 

@jkross22,

I hear Tom Petty&#039;s &lt;em&gt;Freefallin&#039;&lt;/em&gt;. But that&#039;s just me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Even if Ford only has, say 14.3B left and access to 10.7B in credit, that puts them at 25B.</p>
<p>Lower burn rate than GM. From most indications, more dinero totally available than GM.</p>
<p>Yet somehow, GM is going to make in through 2009 without any more cash. Uh-huh. </p>
<p>@jkross22,</p>
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		<title>By: Banned User</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/ford-tastes-like-burning/comment-page-1/#comment-1135582</link>
		<dc:creator>Banned User</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 19:19:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to worry, President BO will have lots of spare cash for Ford.</description>
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		<title>By: BostonTeaParty</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/ford-tastes-like-burning/comment-page-1/#comment-1135512</link>
		<dc:creator>BostonTeaParty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 19:13:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even with the morgaged out blue oval i always felt Ford was in too close a position to GM and Chrysler with money burn and what was left over in their piggy bank to be trully safe. They played a clever game at congress staying under the radar but will that come back to haunt them? As you pointed out theres nothing left to sell to prop the company up apart from them to try and get rid of Volvo while they wait for the euros. At least GM has other items it could still try and throw on the fire. Are Ford in the weakest position now?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Even with the morgaged out blue oval i always felt Ford was in too close a position to GM and Chrysler with money burn and what was left over in their piggy bank to be trully safe. They played a clever game at congress staying under the radar but will that come back to haunt them? As you pointed out theres nothing left to sell to prop the company up apart from them to try and get rid of Volvo while they wait for the euros. At least GM has other items it could still try and throw on the fire. Are Ford in the weakest position now?<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: jkross22</title>
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		<dc:creator>jkross22</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 19:11:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I kept hearing Journey&#039;s &quot;Don&#039;t Stop Believin&#039;&quot; as I read this news.</description>
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