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		<title>By: hal</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/ford-death-watch-32-taking-stock/comment-page-1/#comment-51008</link>
		<dc:creator>hal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 23:18:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;Ford family said to consider partial sale of ailing automaker&quot;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/05/14/business/bxford.php&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;Moneyquote: &quot;The younger Fords don&#039;t believe the family should be so involved in managing the company since it leads to bad decisions,&quot;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<p>&quot;Ford family said to consider partial sale of ailing automaker&quot;</p>
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<p>Moneyquote: &quot;The younger Fords don&#39;t believe the family should be so involved in managing the company since it leads to bad decisions,&quot;</p>
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		<title>By: jurisb</title>
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		<dc:creator>jurisb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 09:42:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.S.by the way a hyphen between `all` and `american` is a taboo.   :))))))))))))))</description>
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		<title>By: jurisb</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/ford-death-watch-32-taking-stock/comment-page-1/#comment-50890</link>
		<dc:creator>jurisb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 09:23:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mullaly, for the bonuses you get annually , your company could prepare at least a couple of concepts for NAIAS, for starving units like mercury.
Have you all guys noticed that all american car companies have the same problems and have the same way of manufacturing. all brands within each of 2.5 use foreign platforms, borrrowed engines etc. does it tell you something? all of them agonize now, because the much needed oxygen ( PRODUCTS) is missing.If years ago people bought fords even if they were low quality lacklusters, but they stiil looked juicy and interesting. then today ford puts a new line  of vehicles that has mostly japanese components, french reliability, and german- boring design. sure, customers run away. looks like unbelievably heavy discounting and rebates is the final bite for the last unaware clients.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Mullaly, for the bonuses you get annually , your company could prepare at least a couple of concepts for NAIAS, for starving units like mercury.<br />
Have you all guys noticed that all american car companies have the same problems and have the same way of manufacturing. all brands within each of 2.5 use foreign platforms, borrrowed engines etc. does it tell you something? all of them agonize now, because the much needed oxygen ( PRODUCTS) is missing.If years ago people bought fords even if they were low quality lacklusters, but they stiil looked juicy and interesting. then today ford puts a new line  of vehicles that has mostly japanese components, french reliability, and german- boring design. sure, customers run away. looks like unbelievably heavy discounting and rebates is the final bite for the last unaware clients.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: hltguy</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/ford-death-watch-32-taking-stock/comment-page-1/#comment-50794</link>
		<dc:creator>hltguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 16:22:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately for Ford, the US economy is slowing down, and appears to be headed for a possible recession. The fuel price increase is probably not a short term situation, neither is the housing slowdown. While the US goverment continues to take in record tax revenues, the politicians continue to spend all of it and more, not to mention the $15 billion dollars a month and more the wars in Iraq and Afhanistan cost. So what does Ford do in this scenario? They borrow 23 billion putting everything they own for ransom as collateral. Does any reasonable person actually think they can pay that loan back? Even the interest on it? They don&#039;t have any product in the pipeline that can turn the mess around, while their existing product line ages. FoMoCo missed its opportunities years ago when they were making big profits, to position themselves for the long haul. They squandered their riches, they will not get another opportunity to be cash flush (without massive debt) again, unless perhaps a BK can save them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Unfortunately for Ford, the US economy is slowing down, and appears to be headed for a possible recession. The fuel price increase is probably not a short term situation, neither is the housing slowdown. While the US goverment continues to take in record tax revenues, the politicians continue to spend all of it and more, not to mention the $15 billion dollars a month and more the wars in Iraq and Afhanistan cost. So what does Ford do in this scenario? They borrow 23 billion putting everything they own for ransom as collateral. Does any reasonable person actually think they can pay that loan back? Even the interest on it? They don&#8217;t have any product in the pipeline that can turn the mess around, while their existing product line ages. FoMoCo missed its opportunities years ago when they were making big profits, to position themselves for the long haul. They squandered their riches, they will not get another opportunity to be cash flush (without massive debt) again, unless perhaps a BK can save them.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: SherbornSean</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/ford-death-watch-32-taking-stock/comment-page-1/#comment-50780</link>
		<dc:creator>SherbornSean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 15:39:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>postjosh,
I won&#039;t dispute whether the vehicles you mention are best in class.  I would certainly grant that Ford makes several good vehicles.  The issue is that even with decent product, Ford as a corporation is in a tailspin.  

Ford has already sold off most of the corporate jewels and mortgaged remaining assets.  You can&#039;t continue to eat cash forever.</description>
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I won&#8217;t dispute whether the vehicles you mention are best in class.  I would certainly grant that Ford makes several good vehicles.  The issue is that even with decent product, Ford as a corporation is in a tailspin.  </p>
<p>Ford has already sold off most of the corporate jewels and mortgaged remaining assets.  You can&#8217;t continue to eat cash forever.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: negativeland</title>
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		<dc:creator>negativeland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 15:27:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jerry Weber: I agree with you on that, but I think that unions are more than ever needed and that &quot;union bashing&quot; won&#039;t solve the problem.

And I tend to forget that unions in the USA are quite different from the europeans one...

But I still think that if Ford had better products (and it seems that in Europe they are already better than the US ones), a better management and a long-term view there would be no need for a death watch.

Anyway, as you wrote, some new ideas must come from all of this...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->@Jerry Weber: I agree with you on that, but I think that unions are more than ever needed and that &#8220;union bashing&#8221; won&#8217;t solve the problem.</p>
<p>And I tend to forget that unions in the USA are quite different from the europeans one&#8230;</p>
<p>But I still think that if Ford had better products (and it seems that in Europe they are already better than the US ones), a better management and a long-term view there would be no need for a death watch.</p>
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		<title>By: guyincognito</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/ford-death-watch-32-taking-stock/comment-page-1/#comment-50759</link>
		<dc:creator>guyincognito</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 13:52:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that the Fusion, Edge, Escape, F-150, Explorer, Expedition and even the 500 I mean Taurus are good products. Unfortunately they are offering significantly less (if any) profit per vehicle than Ford&#039;s previous bread and butter. And the fact is that these products are not the home runs Ford needs to be putting out right now. Can Ford cut its way down to an operating cost in line with its revenue while simultaneously stabilizing that revenue before chapter 11? Without significant reductions in their skyrocketing pension/healthcare costs, big concessions from the Union, and a markedly faster than usual refresh of the entire lineup it aint gonna happen.</description>
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		<title>By: Sid Vicious</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/ford-death-watch-32-taking-stock/comment-page-1/#comment-50755</link>
		<dc:creator>Sid Vicious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 13:24:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My 2000 F150 was a class leading POS - absolutely fell apart and rusted to pieces within 30,000 pampered miles.  Traded it for a Toyota.  I feel sorry for the poor sap who bought that thing.

Yeah - I know.  That&#039;s ancient history.  I&#039;m sure the new trucks are much better.  Except for the highway speed vibration that can&#039;t be fixed, and spark plugs that can&#039;t be removed, and the fact that they porked it out by 400 lbs. or so, etc.

This ain&#039;t au revoir, Ford.  It&#039;s goodbye.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->My 2000 F150 was a class leading POS &#8211; absolutely fell apart and rusted to pieces within 30,000 pampered miles.  Traded it for a Toyota.  I feel sorry for the poor sap who bought that thing.</p>
<p>Yeah &#8211; I know.  That&#8217;s ancient history.  I&#8217;m sure the new trucks are much better.  Except for the highway speed vibration that can&#8217;t be fixed, and spark plugs that can&#8217;t be removed, and the fact that they porked it out by 400 lbs. or so, etc.</p>
<p>This ain&#8217;t au revoir, Ford.  It&#8217;s goodbye.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: starlightmica (Richard Chen)</title>
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		<dc:creator>starlightmica (Richard Chen)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 12:57:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;postjosh:
fusion, edge, escape hybrid &amp; f150 are all class leaders. &lt;/em&gt;

TTAC&#039;s not Consumer Reports, but I doubt you&#039;ll get a flood of commentors agreeing with you there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><em>postjosh:<br />
fusion, edge, escape hybrid &amp; f150 are all class leaders. </em></p>
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		<title>By: postjosh</title>
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		<dc:creator>postjosh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 12:45:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i don&#039;t really get all the negativity on this site about ford. it&#039;s a given that these are tough times for detroit. we all know that ford&#039;s market share slide isn&#039;t over. but, sooner or later the unions will make a deal and the situation will stabilize. meanwhile, am i the only one who reads this site who believes that ford builds a better car than the gm or chrysler? fusion, edge, escape hybrid &amp; f150 are all class leaders. there is room for a large domestic automaker and ford is the most likely candidate for survival.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->i don&#8217;t really get all the negativity on this site about ford. it&#8217;s a given that these are tough times for detroit. we all know that ford&#8217;s market share slide isn&#8217;t over. but, sooner or later the unions will make a deal and the situation will stabilize. meanwhile, am i the only one who reads this site who believes that ford builds a better car than the gm or chrysler? fusion, edge, escape hybrid &amp; f150 are all class leaders. there is room for a large domestic automaker and ford is the most likely candidate for survival.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: SherbornSean</title>
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		<dc:creator>SherbornSean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 12:09:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jerry,
Good point.  The thing that has kept Ford alive the last 30 years is the fact that GM and Chrysler were also poorly managed.  Now that Chrysler is in the hands of rational managment, and with GM showing signs of decent judgement, the pressure is really on Ford.

There are entire product categories Ford could exit -- at least from an engineering perspective -- where they show little expertise.  Like minivans, small pickups, small cars, powertrains, luxury anything,...

I&#039;m not sure what&#039;s left.  The Camaro and Challenger crowd the market for middle aged men looking to revive a childhood they never had, and the livery companies are starting to catch on to Chargers and Odysseys.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Jerry,<br />
Good point.  The thing that has kept Ford alive the last 30 years is the fact that GM and Chrysler were also poorly managed.  Now that Chrysler is in the hands of rational managment, and with GM showing signs of decent judgement, the pressure is really on Ford.</p>
<p>There are entire product categories Ford could exit &#8212; at least from an engineering perspective &#8212; where they show little expertise.  Like minivans, small pickups, small cars, powertrains, luxury anything,&#8230;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure what&#8217;s left.  The Camaro and Challenger crowd the market for middle aged men looking to revive a childhood they never had, and the livery companies are starting to catch on to Chargers and Odysseys.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: jerry weber</title>
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		<dc:creator>jerry weber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 11:23:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With chrysler going to a venture capital company, we are seeing the opening shots in a consolidation scenario. I see there only being one or two domestic builders left. Cerebus will not hang around for ten years like Daimler pouring money into chrysler. Ford cannot stay where they are. Does ford cut mercury and buy jeep and chrysler vans? Does magna take chrysler convertables and dodge trucks?  Do ford and gm combine with the best of chrysler? Some new ideas must come from all of this as money cannot be made using the present templates at any of the old big three builders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->With chrysler going to a venture capital company, we are seeing the opening shots in a consolidation scenario. I see there only being one or two domestic builders left. Cerebus will not hang around for ten years like Daimler pouring money into chrysler. Ford cannot stay where they are. Does ford cut mercury and buy jeep and chrysler vans? Does magna take chrysler convertables and dodge trucks?  Do ford and gm combine with the best of chrysler? Some new ideas must come from all of this as money cannot be made using the present templates at any of the old big three builders.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: starlightmica (Richard Chen)</title>
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		<dc:creator>starlightmica (Richard Chen)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 05:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cerberus buys Chrysler (TBA).  Is the Suicide Watch over, or does the counter merely get reset? They already owns National &amp; Alamo car rental, 51% of GMAC, and a controlling interest in Delphi (if the details can be worked out).

I guess the new Detroit 3 are GM, Ford, and Cerberus for the time being until Chrysler gets parted out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Cerberus buys Chrysler (TBA).  Is the Suicide Watch over, or does the counter merely get reset? They already owns National &#038; Alamo car rental, 51% of GMAC, and a controlling interest in Delphi (if the details can be worked out).</p>
<p>I guess the new Detroit 3 are GM, Ford, and Cerberus for the time being until Chrysler gets parted out.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: jthorner</title>
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		<dc:creator>jthorner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 02:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I have said before, study what became of the UK based auto industry from 1960 through 1990 to see a pretty good preview of what is going on in the US now.

Ford&#039;s one advantage visa-vis GM right now is that they don&#039;t have near the brand and nameplate proliferation problem.  Mercury hardly counts since none of the Mercury products have unique sheetmetal or powertrains.  Current Mercury products are simply trim-package options on Ford products.  GM is trying to put out unique products for Chevy, Buick, Pontiac &amp; Saturn and it simply isn&#039;t working.

Ford&#039;s relationships with Volvo, Jaguar, Land Rover and Mazda are certainly in better shape than GM&#039;s with Saab, &lt;strike&gt; Fiat, Isuzu and Subaru &lt;/strike&gt;.  At least Ford&#039;s Premier Group assets are saleable businesses as is the Mazda stake.

Reports are that Cerberus is close to a deal to buy Chrysler from Daimler.  Perhaps this is the first step in a major restructuring of the US auto industry, which even with all the noise hasn&#039;t happened yet.   Look for the Ford family to see the value of their shares go down a lot more, perhaps to zero.  Of course &lt;strong&gt;so what&lt;/strong&gt;, not a one of them worked for it.   They are living off the momentum of generations long dead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->As I have said before, study what became of the UK based auto industry from 1960 through 1990 to see a pretty good preview of what is going on in the US now.</p>
<p>Ford&#8217;s one advantage visa-vis GM right now is that they don&#8217;t have near the brand and nameplate proliferation problem.  Mercury hardly counts since none of the Mercury products have unique sheetmetal or powertrains.  Current Mercury products are simply trim-package options on Ford products.  GM is trying to put out unique products for Chevy, Buick, Pontiac &amp; Saturn and it simply isn&#8217;t working.</p>
<p>Ford&#8217;s relationships with Volvo, Jaguar, Land Rover and Mazda are certainly in better shape than GM&#8217;s with Saab, <strike> Fiat, Isuzu and Subaru </strike>.  At least Ford&#8217;s Premier Group assets are saleable businesses as is the Mazda stake.</p>
<p>Reports are that Cerberus is close to a deal to buy Chrysler from Daimler.  Perhaps this is the first step in a major restructuring of the US auto industry, which even with all the noise hasn&#8217;t happened yet.   Look for the Ford family to see the value of their shares go down a lot more, perhaps to zero.  Of course <strong>so what</strong>, not a one of them worked for it.   They are living off the momentum of generations long dead.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: guyincognito</title>
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		<dc:creator>guyincognito</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 02:12:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This situation is entirely the fault of the Ford family. Yes, the union made demands but who pays the bills? The fact is that there is no one standing up for reason at Ford. What would have been worse, staring down a strike 10, 15 years ago or this? The Ford family decided to collect rather than be proactive. Bill Ford took the helm and couldn&#039;t even exert his will on his own company. Why bother holding this super voting power when they use it for nothing? Years upon years of shitty products and shitty contracts have been built and this is what they have wraught. They are all losers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->This situation is entirely the fault of the Ford family. Yes, the union made demands but who pays the bills? The fact is that there is no one standing up for reason at Ford. What would have been worse, staring down a strike 10, 15 years ago or this? The Ford family decided to collect rather than be proactive. Bill Ford took the helm and couldn&#8217;t even exert his will on his own company. Why bother holding this super voting power when they use it for nothing? Years upon years of shitty products and shitty contracts have been built and this is what they have wraught. They are all losers.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: ihatetrees</title>
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		<dc:creator>ihatetrees</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 00:36:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RE: 50merc&#039;s comment:

&lt;em&gt;Of all the blunders the 2.5 made, I think the most serious was converting a variable expense, direct labor, into a fixed cost. The auto industry is a cyclical business, but the UAW contract made layoffs difficult and expensive. So for too long the 2.5 kept running unneeded factories and non-competitive in-house sourcing of parts.&lt;/em&gt;

I think Brock Yates did a piece 8+ years ago regarding Detroit&#039;s irrational sales and production strategies that were necessary to keep the factories going. He wondered how long it could continue - now we know. The wheels are about to come off. 

HOWEVER, from my vantage point in UAW-land, I&#039;m really not sure WHAT management could have done. Provoking a strike late last decade or early this decade would have just resulted in a quicker filing. (GM actually had a few wildcat strikes in the late &#039;90s which they had to settle to keep things running.)

But does anyone here think the judicial/law-enforcement system in Michigan (or Ohio/Indiana/Upstate NY/PA) would have allowed GM or Ford to move factories or hire replacement workers (without them getting shivved)?!?!!) During the last contract with W and a GOP congress it MAY have been possible with gutsy leadership.

Look at the airline companies. Non-flexible unions KILL companies that face non-union competition. It  happens all the time. I don&#039;t think there was a solution to this.</description>
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<p><em>Of all the blunders the 2.5 made, I think the most serious was converting a variable expense, direct labor, into a fixed cost. The auto industry is a cyclical business, but the UAW contract made layoffs difficult and expensive. So for too long the 2.5 kept running unneeded factories and non-competitive in-house sourcing of parts.</em></p>
<p>I think Brock Yates did a piece 8+ years ago regarding Detroit&#8217;s irrational sales and production strategies that were necessary to keep the factories going. He wondered how long it could continue &#8211; now we know. The wheels are about to come off. </p>
<p>HOWEVER, from my vantage point in UAW-land, I&#8217;m really not sure WHAT management could have done. Provoking a strike late last decade or early this decade would have just resulted in a quicker filing. (GM actually had a few wildcat strikes in the late &#8217;90s which they had to settle to keep things running.)</p>
<p>But does anyone here think the judicial/law-enforcement system in Michigan (or Ohio/Indiana/Upstate NY/PA) would have allowed GM or Ford to move factories or hire replacement workers (without them getting shivved)?!?!!) During the last contract with W and a GOP congress it MAY have been possible with gutsy leadership.</p>
<p>Look at the airline companies. Non-flexible unions KILL companies that face non-union competition. It  happens all the time. I don&#8217;t think there was a solution to this.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: 50merc</title>
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		<dc:creator>50merc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 May 2007 23:13:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is indeed a dire time for Ford. The only good thing I can see coming out of a collapse is that maybe some insiders will write fascinating &quot;tell all&quot; books about the Board meetings and executive staff conferences where fateful decisions were made/not made. Currently the 2.5&#039;s HQs enjoy more secrecy than the CIA.

Of all the blunders the 2.5 made, I think the most serious was converting a variable expense, direct labor, into a fixed cost. The auto industry is a cyclical business, but the UAW contract made layoffs difficult and expensive. So for too long the 2.5 kept running unneeded factories and non-competitive in-house sourcing of parts.

And while market share and profits declined, the number of retirees and burden of handsome pensions and lavish health insurance steadily grew. As did expectations of the recipients. I suspect that Mullaly privately fully recognizes that bankruptcy is looming. But does the UAW? Once my wife was in her OB/GYN&#039;s waiting room and heard a conversation between two women sitting nearby. One woman said she and her husband decided to have another child because he worked at the GM assembly plant and having a baby &quot;would be free.&quot; Free? Not to GM.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->It is indeed a dire time for Ford. The only good thing I can see coming out of a collapse is that maybe some insiders will write fascinating &#8220;tell all&#8221; books about the Board meetings and executive staff conferences where fateful decisions were made/not made. Currently the 2.5&#8217;s HQs enjoy more secrecy than the CIA.</p>
<p>Of all the blunders the 2.5 made, I think the most serious was converting a variable expense, direct labor, into a fixed cost. The auto industry is a cyclical business, but the UAW contract made layoffs difficult and expensive. So for too long the 2.5 kept running unneeded factories and non-competitive in-house sourcing of parts.</p>
<p>And while market share and profits declined, the number of retirees and burden of handsome pensions and lavish health insurance steadily grew. As did expectations of the recipients. I suspect that Mullaly privately fully recognizes that bankruptcy is looming. But does the UAW? Once my wife was in her OB/GYN&#8217;s waiting room and heard a conversation between two women sitting nearby. One woman said she and her husband decided to have another child because he worked at the GM assembly plant and having a baby &#8220;would be free.&#8221; Free? Not to GM.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: wstansfi</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 May 2007 23:10:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matthew,
Here&#039;s my question for you:
In an economic downturn, don&#039;t discount brands tend to do better relative to the total economy? For example, if the economy tanks, restaurants suffer, but supermarkets thrive... Luxury brands like Sacs 5th Ave suffer, discounters like K-Mart and Walmart get pumped...
So, don&#039;t you think Ford might turn around more quickly (or actually survive) if the economy were to tank? 
Cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Matthew,<br />
Here&#8217;s my question for you:<br />
In an economic downturn, don&#8217;t discount brands tend to do better relative to the total economy? For example, if the economy tanks, restaurants suffer, but supermarkets thrive&#8230; Luxury brands like Sacs 5th Ave suffer, discounters like K-Mart and Walmart get pumped&#8230;<br />
So, don&#8217;t you think Ford might turn around more quickly (or actually survive) if the economy were to tank?<br />
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		<title>By: Luther</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luther</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 May 2007 22:57:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;They still suspect that the Ford turnaround will be nothing more than a cash intensive whirling dervish that will eventually leave The Blue Oval broken, busted and bankrupt.&quot;

Ford will have a hard time just covering the interest payment on that 23.5B loan even if they can turn the company around in NA. A turn around in the US will require much lower profit margins per vehicle since competition in Ford&#039;s most profitable segments is heating up...Not to mention the repeal of the 25% tariff on imported trucks.

Ford should concentrate on profitable markets outside the US and move production to more business-friendly regions that uphold property rights. Why burn *large* sums of precious capital dicking around in the US when every market outside NA is profitable? I would concentrate on India, China, Middle-East, Europe, Russia, and South America.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->&#8220;They still suspect that the Ford turnaround will be nothing more than a cash intensive whirling dervish that will eventually leave The Blue Oval broken, busted and bankrupt.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ford will have a hard time just covering the interest payment on that 23.5B loan even if they can turn the company around in NA. A turn around in the US will require much lower profit margins per vehicle since competition in Ford&#8217;s most profitable segments is heating up&#8230;Not to mention the repeal of the 25% tariff on imported trucks.</p>
<p>Ford should concentrate on profitable markets outside the US and move production to more business-friendly regions that uphold property rights. Why burn *large* sums of precious capital dicking around in the US when every market outside NA is profitable? I would concentrate on India, China, Middle-East, Europe, Russia, and South America.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Terry Parkhurst</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terry Parkhurst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 May 2007 20:39:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The wrong Ford was given the reins. Edsel Ford II, who is an automotive enthusiast who helped promote the Mustang 5-0, when it first came out in the early Eighties, would have been a much better person to attempt to bring Ford into the 21st century.

But no man, no person, is a miracle worker. There&#039;s a bunch of things going on with the global economy, and sadly, Ford&#039;s time as an auto maker, at least within the United States, may indeed be coming to an end. 

That almost happened in the early Eighties and the Taurus turned that around in 1985. Today, they need a new &quot;Taurus,&quot; so to speak, and not just a name slapped on the 500. 

For what it is worth, I think they need to bring some of those Fords over here that the Aussies get - and build the Ford Falcon (concept) wagon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->The wrong Ford was given the reins. Edsel Ford II, who is an automotive enthusiast who helped promote the Mustang 5-0, when it first came out in the early Eighties, would have been a much better person to attempt to bring Ford into the 21st century.</p>
<p>But no man, no person, is a miracle worker. There&#8217;s a bunch of things going on with the global economy, and sadly, Ford&#8217;s time as an auto maker, at least within the United States, may indeed be coming to an end. </p>
<p>That almost happened in the early Eighties and the Taurus turned that around in 1985. Today, they need a new &#8220;Taurus,&#8221; so to speak, and not just a name slapped on the 500. </p>
<p>For what it is worth, I think they need to bring some of those Fords over here that the Aussies get &#8211; and build the Ford Falcon (concept) wagon.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: jerry weber</title>
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		<dc:creator>jerry weber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 May 2007 20:31:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>negativeland: You miss one point. my thesis is that one part of an industry cannot be union and another non-union forever. That the union didn&#039;t organize the transplants here and that was there undoing. The huge legacy costs for the domestics have to do with medicare and in most European union Countries: France, England, Germany,and even Canada, the medical costs are born by the goverment. What we have is a perfect storm for GM FORD &amp; CHRYSLER. The playing field isn&#039;t level and in our free economy, I don&#039;t see how it gets there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->negativeland: You miss one point. my thesis is that one part of an industry cannot be union and another non-union forever. That the union didn&#8217;t organize the transplants here and that was there undoing. The huge legacy costs for the domestics have to do with medicare and in most European union Countries: France, England, Germany,and even Canada, the medical costs are born by the goverment. What we have is a perfect storm for GM FORD &amp; CHRYSLER. The playing field isn&#8217;t level and in our free economy, I don&#8217;t see how it gets there.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: SunnyvaleCA</title>
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		<dc:creator>SunnyvaleCA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 May 2007 19:55:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gasoline isn&#039;t really $4.30 in San Francisco.  Perhaps high octane, full-service at one station is that high, but the general price for regular self-serve is about $3.62.  www.fuelgaugereport.com/CAmetro.asp

As for the USA&#039;s ability to handle high fuel prices relative to Europe (and Japan), I think the USA will be at a significant disadvantage.  The nation has spent the last 30 years with low prices, and that has promoted a fuel-intensive lifestyle:  long commutes through suburban sprawl, inefficient vehicles, huge houses that aren&#039;t well insulated, entire cities in 105-degree deserts needing year-round air conditioning, etc.  About the only big befit the USA enjoys is a large amount of natural resources per person;  that advantage, too, is eroding quickly as the population continues to grow exponentially over time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Gasoline isn&#8217;t really $4.30 in San Francisco.  Perhaps high octane, full-service at one station is that high, but the general price for regular self-serve is about $3.62.  <a href="http://www.fuelgaugereport.com/CAmetro.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.fuelgaugereport.com/CAmetro.asp</a></p>
<p>As for the USA&#8217;s ability to handle high fuel prices relative to Europe (and Japan), I think the USA will be at a significant disadvantage.  The nation has spent the last 30 years with low prices, and that has promoted a fuel-intensive lifestyle:  long commutes through suburban sprawl, inefficient vehicles, huge houses that aren&#8217;t well insulated, entire cities in 105-degree deserts needing year-round air conditioning, etc.  About the only big befit the USA enjoys is a large amount of natural resources per person;  that advantage, too, is eroding quickly as the population continues to grow exponentially over time.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: troonbop</title>
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		<dc:creator>troonbop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 May 2007 19:51:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There does seem to be a kind of justice to this one.</description>
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		<title>By: Martin Schwoerer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin Schwoerer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 May 2007 19:23:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>quasimondo:

The EU is in a good position in the economic cycle right now, but reforms have also led to a general improvement.

&quot;Spring economic forecast 2007-2008: unemployment and public accounts to improve further as growth stays solid. The European Union economy is expected to grow by 2.9% in 2007 and 2.7% in 2008 (2.6% and 2.5%, respectively, in the euro area) on the back of solid investment and stronger private consumption, according to the Commission’s spring economic forecasts. The EU as a whole is predicted to create almost 9 million new jobs over the period 2006-2008, 6 million of which for the euro area alone. This will help to reduce EU unemployment to less than 7% in 2008 from 8¾% in 2005. The economic recovery will continue to improve public finances, with the general government deficit forecast to fall to around 1% in both the EU and the euro area - a level not seen in many years.&quot;
Source: http://europa.eu</description>
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<p>The EU is in a good position in the economic cycle right now, but reforms have also led to a general improvement.</p>
<p>&#8220;Spring economic forecast 2007-2008: unemployment and public accounts to improve further as growth stays solid. The European Union economy is expected to grow by 2.9% in 2007 and 2.7% in 2008 (2.6% and 2.5%, respectively, in the euro area) on the back of solid investment and stronger private consumption, according to the Commission’s spring economic forecasts. The EU as a whole is predicted to create almost 9 million new jobs over the period 2006-2008, 6 million of which for the euro area alone. This will help to reduce EU unemployment to less than 7% in 2008 from 8¾% in 2005. The economic recovery will continue to improve public finances, with the general government deficit forecast to fall to around 1% in both the EU and the euro area &#8211; a level not seen in many years.&#8221;<br />
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		<title>By: DearS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DearS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 May 2007 18:54:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ford goes under, oh well, that ends well. It seems that quite a bit of arrogance/ignorance/greed goes all the way to the top. Its like a chicken with its head cut off, literally. Am I to pray the economy doesn’t crash, while at the helm of loonies. I think not, let the times roll. Reform is the only way to go, and a crash might just be the best place to start, or not. Either way, its best not to take them seriously, lets let go, and observe things taking their course. Perhaps will learn something to afford ourselves some peace and joy, and more impartial to the state of the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Ford goes under, oh well, that ends well. It seems that quite a bit of arrogance/ignorance/greed goes all the way to the top. Its like a chicken with its head cut off, literally. Am I to pray the economy doesn’t crash, while at the helm of loonies. I think not, let the times roll. Reform is the only way to go, and a crash might just be the best place to start, or not. Either way, its best not to take them seriously, lets let go, and observe things taking their course. Perhaps will learn something to afford ourselves some peace and joy, and more impartial to the state of the world.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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