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		<title>By: Facebook User</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/fisker-practices-tm/comment-page-1/#comment-1157341</link>
		<dc:creator>Facebook User</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 16:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know what I find more humerous, the Happy Cow leather or the Ecoglass from naturally occurring sand.  regrading the trees, the environmentalists in California will fight you if you try to harvest lumber following a forest fire, as you are removing important nutrients from the forest rather than letting them naturally decay and replenish the soil.  I&#039;m sure they would fight the other wood recovery methods mentioned in the Fiskar Eco blather.</description>
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		<title>By: bunkie</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 14:15:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an amateur woodworker, I know that there&#039;s not a lot of really good wood out there. These days most wood is farmed and due to the rapid tree growth, the grain isn&#039;t half as nice as that of trees that were around a hundred or more years ago. 

There&#039;s a big business in recovering those logs that sank after being harvested in the 19th century. The oxygen-poor environment at the bottom of the rivers and lakes does a fabulous job of preserving the logs. We woodworkers tend to foam at the mouth when we see this stuff.</description>
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<p>There&#8217;s a big business in recovering those logs that sank after being harvested in the 19th century. The oxygen-poor environment at the bottom of the rivers and lakes does a fabulous job of preserving the logs. We woodworkers tend to foam at the mouth when we see this stuff.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: mcs</title>
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		<dc:creator>mcs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 12:50:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>tesla deathwatcher : &lt;cite&gt;Also, from what I saw Hyundai does not have a registered trademark for EcoSport, just a fairly new trademark application.&lt;/cite&gt;
Whoops, you&#039;re right - it is an application. I suppose I can blame it on the late hour. 

Although, from personal experience I can tell you that it&#039;s surprising what sort of litigation this can attract. It&#039;s fine if you&#039;re large, but when you&#039;re small it can consume valuable time. If Hyundai and PPG have their applications approved, Fisker will have problems. I&#039;ve received some really bizarre C&amp;D&#039;s that were a huge stretch, but as frivolous as they were (to the point they apologized and compensated me) I still had to deal with them.

The EcoGlass mark is only a problem in that they should have used the registered mark instead of TM and credited 3Form. I looked at 3Forms EcoGlass and Fisker&#039;s press release and it seems so similar that I am 99% certain Fisker is using their product and accidentally left out the registered mark.
http://www.3-form.com/materials-glass-pressed-fossil_leaf_spade_pressed.php

Here&#039;s a link to their press releases where some of this comes from. It would have been classier to skip the trademarking.  

http://karma.fiskerautomotive.com/news_items

http://www.happycow.com.au/about_us.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->tesla deathwatcher : <cite>Also, from what I saw Hyundai does not have a registered trademark for EcoSport, just a fairly new trademark application.</cite><br />
Whoops, you&#8217;re right &#8211; it is an application. I suppose I can blame it on the late hour. </p>
<p>Although, from personal experience I can tell you that it&#8217;s surprising what sort of litigation this can attract. It&#8217;s fine if you&#8217;re large, but when you&#8217;re small it can consume valuable time. If Hyundai and PPG have their applications approved, Fisker will have problems. I&#8217;ve received some really bizarre C&amp;D&#8217;s that were a huge stretch, but as frivolous as they were (to the point they apologized and compensated me) I still had to deal with them.</p>
<p>The EcoGlass mark is only a problem in that they should have used the registered mark instead of TM and credited 3Form. I looked at 3Forms EcoGlass and Fisker&#8217;s press release and it seems so similar that I am 99% certain Fisker is using their product and accidentally left out the registered mark.<br />
<a href="http://www.3-form.com/materials-glass-pressed-fossil_leaf_spade_pressed.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.3-form.com/materials-glass-pressed-fossil_leaf_spade_pressed.php</a></p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a link to their press releases where some of this comes from. It would have been classier to skip the trademarking.  </p>
<p><a href="http://karma.fiskerautomotive.com/news_items" rel="nofollow">http://karma.fiskerautomotive.com/news_items</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.happycow.com.au/about_us.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.happycow.com.au/about_us.html</a><!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Autobraz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Autobraz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 11:00:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The EcoSport is sold by Ford here in Brazil. It is a Ford Fiesta (not the European Fiesta) trying to be a CUV. Women love it here. http://images.google.com/images?q=ford+ecosport

But I suppose that doesn&#039;t mean they have TM&#039;ed it in the US as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->The EcoSport is sold by Ford here in Brazil. It is a Ford Fiesta (not the European Fiesta) trying to be a CUV. Women love it here. <a href="http://images.google.com/images?q=ford+ecosport" rel="nofollow">http://images.google.com/images?q=ford+ecosport</a></p>
<p>But I suppose that doesn&#8217;t mean they have TM&#8217;ed it in the US as well.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Kurt.</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 10:50:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a lot of recovered mahogony on the bottom of the great lakes. We bought some for the interior of our boat. Really beautiful stuff. With the mohogany and Teak forests dwindling, it is about the only way to get good pieces of wood.

See also the high end guitar manufacturers. Some of these woods are getting exceptionally rare.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->There is a lot of recovered mahogony on the bottom of the great lakes. We bought some for the interior of our boat. Really beautiful stuff. With the mohogany and Teak forests dwindling, it is about the only way to get good pieces of wood.</p>
<p>See also the high end guitar manufacturers. Some of these woods are getting exceptionally rare.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: tesla deathwatcher</title>
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		<dc:creator>tesla deathwatcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 07:36:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mcs, I think you&#039;re being too cautious.  Fisker has a pretty good intellectual property law firm.  At least for litigation.  They sure cleaned Adam Belsky&#039;s firm&#039;s clock in the Tesla-Fisker arbitration.  

Were I at Fisker I wouldn&#039;t worry at this stage about trademark infringement.  Especially for such duds as Happy Cow and the Fallen/Sunken/Rescued Trees.  Nice to see, though, that someone trained this marketing person to use the TM designation.  But you can bet none of those trademarks will last long.  They&#039;re terrible.  

Also, from what I saw Hyundai does not have a registered trademark for EcoSport, just a fairly new trademark application.  Ford actually had an EcoSport product and applied for a trademark, since abandoned.  And the EcoGlass trademark is for building materials, not cars.  If Fisker really wants to develop an Eco---- line of trademarks for cars, I certainly wouldn&#039;t give up on it yet.  

But I just love to read this kind of stuff.  ”Wood trim is recovered from trees found in America’s wilds: Fallen Trees™ that have succumbed to age; Rescued Trees™ burned in forest fires; and Sunken Trees™ lying on lake bottoms.”  And then the Happy Cows.  

It&#039;s got to be a joke, right?  This can&#039;t be serious, can it?

[Update -- it&#039;s serious all right.  At least the Fallen/Sunken/Rescued Trees part of it.  Found some references on the Internet to Fisker only using wood from &quot;non-living trees.&quot;  Could not see anything about &quot;naturally occurring sand&quot; or Happy Cows though.  (Although I assume and hope the leather comes from non-living cows.)  This is the kind of thing that Hollywood seems to love and the rest of us can&#039;t read without a giggle.]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->mcs, I think you&#8217;re being too cautious.  Fisker has a pretty good intellectual property law firm.  At least for litigation.  They sure cleaned Adam Belsky&#8217;s firm&#8217;s clock in the Tesla-Fisker arbitration.  </p>
<p>Were I at Fisker I wouldn&#8217;t worry at this stage about trademark infringement.  Especially for such duds as Happy Cow and the Fallen/Sunken/Rescued Trees.  Nice to see, though, that someone trained this marketing person to use the TM designation.  But you can bet none of those trademarks will last long.  They&#8217;re terrible.  </p>
<p>Also, from what I saw Hyundai does not have a registered trademark for EcoSport, just a fairly new trademark application.  Ford actually had an EcoSport product and applied for a trademark, since abandoned.  And the EcoGlass trademark is for building materials, not cars.  If Fisker really wants to develop an Eco&#8212;- line of trademarks for cars, I certainly wouldn&#8217;t give up on it yet.  </p>
<p>But I just love to read this kind of stuff.  ”Wood trim is recovered from trees found in America’s wilds: Fallen Trees™ that have succumbed to age; Rescued Trees™ burned in forest fires; and Sunken Trees™ lying on lake bottoms.”  And then the Happy Cows.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s got to be a joke, right?  This can&#8217;t be serious, can it?</p>
<p>[Update -- it's serious all right.  At least the Fallen/Sunken/Rescued Trees part of it.  Found some references on the Internet to Fisker only using wood from "non-living trees."  Could not see anything about "naturally occurring sand" or Happy Cows though.  (Although I assume and hope the leather comes from non-living cows.)  This is the kind of thing that Hollywood seems to love and the rest of us can't read without a giggle.]<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: ferrarimanf355</title>
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		<dc:creator>ferrarimanf355</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 06:33:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dgduris,

&lt;i&gt;Oh! No! The Happy Cow is now with 17 shaven virgins in cow heaven. That is a happy cow!&lt;/i&gt;

I haven&#039;t laughed that hard since I first laid my eyes on &lt;a href=&quot;http://deadspin.com/5077174/your-halloween-costume-was-not-this-good&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Baby Mangino...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
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<p><i>Oh! No! The Happy Cow is now with 17 shaven virgins in cow heaven. That is a happy cow!</i></p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t laughed that hard since I first laid my eyes on <a href="http://deadspin.com/5077174/your-halloween-costume-was-not-this-good" rel="nofollow">Baby Mangino&#8230;</a><!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: mcs</title>
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		<dc:creator>mcs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 04:37:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They need to hire an IP attorney. Let&#039;s see, EcoSport is a registered trademark of Hyundai (SN 77614128). EcoGlass is a registered trademark of 3Form Inc.  EcoBase is a registered trademark of PPG for vehicle paint (SN 77603757). By the way, EcoBabble is a registered trademark of Atlas Embroidery of Coral Springs FL.  

I can almost guarantee that a C&amp;D will be in the mail from Hyundai/Lackenbach Siegel if they see that document.  PPG might go after them as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->They need to hire an IP attorney. Let&#8217;s see, EcoSport is a registered trademark of Hyundai (SN 77614128). EcoGlass is a registered trademark of 3Form Inc.  EcoBase is a registered trademark of PPG for vehicle paint (SN 77603757). By the way, EcoBabble is a registered trademark of Atlas Embroidery of Coral Springs FL.  </p>
<p>I can almost guarantee that a C&amp;D will be in the mail from Hyundai/Lackenbach Siegel if they see that document.  PPG might go after them as well.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: HeBeGB</title>
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		<dc:creator>HeBeGB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 04:11:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, so the guy&#039;s a little eccentric...cut him some slack. From what I&#039;ve read (ok, not an expert) he seems like a pretty affable guy and he certainly means well. He&#039;s put together a couple of legitimate prototypes and it appears he&#039;s got the chops to take this thing a ways. We&#039;re in an environment where we need to let ideas play out a bit before we get all up in his reptillian grill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Hey, so the guy&#8217;s a little eccentric&#8230;cut him some slack. From what I&#8217;ve read (ok, not an expert) he seems like a pretty affable guy and he certainly means well. He&#8217;s put together a couple of legitimate prototypes and it appears he&#8217;s got the chops to take this thing a ways. We&#8217;re in an environment where we need to let ideas play out a bit before we get all up in his reptillian grill.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: RedStapler</title>
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		<dc:creator>RedStapler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 04:07:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the Calfornia Cheese promotion board already has the trademark on HappyCows.

made from naturally occurring sand…&lt;em&gt; WTF?! what other kind of sand is there?  

Ironically given the long and inefficient supply chains on custom low volume stuff like this it likely has more of a total carbon footprint than if they just used the conventional stuff.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->I think the Calfornia Cheese promotion board already has the trademark on HappyCows.</p>
<p>made from naturally occurring sand…<em> WTF?! what other kind of sand is there?  </p>
<p>Ironically given the long and inefficient supply chains on custom low volume stuff like this it likely has more of a total carbon footprint than if they just used the conventional stuff.</em><!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: mtypex</title>
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		<dc:creator>mtypex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 03:24:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hollywood™ ? Wat? haha.

The love the classic Fisker coupe.  So does Hollywood, but you&#039;ll never catch them enjoying such a car on camera.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Hollywood™ ? Wat? haha.</p>
<p>The love the classic Fisker coupe.  So does Hollywood, but you&#8217;ll never catch them enjoying such a car on camera.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: tesla deathwatcher</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 03:15:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hilarious.

I do admire the Karma, though.  From what I can tell, it&#039;s an innovative design that pushes the envelope of what people have done with serial hybrids.  I&#039;m thinking about buying one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Hilarious.</p>
<p>I do admire the Karma, though.  From what I can tell, it&#8217;s an innovative design that pushes the envelope of what people have done with serial hybrids.  I&#8217;m thinking about buying one.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: pleiter</title>
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		<dc:creator>pleiter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 02:40:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, we now have a sustainability argument based on sand........</description>
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		<title>By: PeteMoran</title>
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		<dc:creator>PeteMoran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 02:39:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eik. This sort of EcoBabble™ behaviour makes it that much harder to bring the average citizen around to thinking responsibly. It also tends to attract the most vacuous people in the world; Hollywood.

I&#039;m sure don1967 will have something to add.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Eik. This sort of EcoBabble™ behaviour makes it that much harder to bring the average citizen around to thinking responsibly. It also tends to attract the most vacuous people in the world; Hollywood.</p>
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		<title>By: Durishin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Durishin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 02:27:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh! No!  The Happy Cow is now with 17 shaven virgins in cow heaven.  That is a happy cow!</description>
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		<title>By: AnalogKid</title>
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		<dc:creator>AnalogKid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 02:24:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is there a way to obtain leather from live cows?  I didn&#039;t think so...I&#039;m guessing the cow is not at all pleased to be a Fisker steering wheel...that&#039;s a little flaw in the Happy Cow manufacturing strategy, wouldn&#039;t you say?</description>
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