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	<title>Comments on: F1: Safety is Par for the Course</title>
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		<title>By: Mitch Yelverton</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/f1-safety-is-par-for-the-course/comment-page-1/#comment-7799</link>
		<dc:creator>Mitch Yelverton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Aug 2006 20:31:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are a few ways to look at &quot;making the driver matter more&quot; - on one hand, the absolute ultimate of this ideal is NASCAR or Star Mazda Series, one of the truly spec series - and they do produce good racing.  On the other hand, F1 has always used technological innovation and progress as a key selling point - there are 2 championships, the drivers&#039; and the constructors&#039;, and most importantly, there are innumerable instances of inferior drivers succeeding with great equipment and vice versa (Jacques Villeneuve is a great example, famous name aside).  Removing the element of aerodynamic development from the mix would change the sport immensely, not to mention greatly change the layout of most modern F1 tracks.  There have been efforts in recent years to limit aerodynamic development differently - rather than reduce overall levels of downforce by changing wing heights or endplate designs, design rear wings that don&#039;t disrupt airflow to cars behind quite as badly - the so-called Center Downwash Generating Wing, the CDG wing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->There are a few ways to look at &#8220;making the driver matter more&#8221; &#8211; on one hand, the absolute ultimate of this ideal is NASCAR or Star Mazda Series, one of the truly spec series &#8211; and they do produce good racing.  On the other hand, F1 has always used technological innovation and progress as a key selling point &#8211; there are 2 championships, the drivers&#8217; and the constructors&#8217;, and most importantly, there are innumerable instances of inferior drivers succeeding with great equipment and vice versa (Jacques Villeneuve is a great example, famous name aside).  Removing the element of aerodynamic development from the mix would change the sport immensely, not to mention greatly change the layout of most modern F1 tracks.  There have been efforts in recent years to limit aerodynamic development differently &#8211; rather than reduce overall levels of downforce by changing wing heights or endplate designs, design rear wings that don&#8217;t disrupt airflow to cars behind quite as badly &#8211; the so-called Center Downwash Generating Wing, the CDG wing.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: esldude</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/f1-safety-is-par-for-the-course/comment-page-1/#comment-7604</link>
		<dc:creator>esldude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Aug 2006 00:35:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the heads up on the SpeedTVbook.

I am not advocating a return to yesteryear&#039;s lack of safetly.  I am advocating a return to racing where the driver mattered more.  In fact, putting driving back into the hands of the driver does only a little if any to make the sport more dangerous.  Outlawing downforce producing bodies greatly reduces cornering speeds, which combined with keeping all the other modern tech safety items would make F1 far safer than what it is now.  And you still have interesting racing instead of what we see now. 

Wings and huge downforce make the racing more dangerous not the reverse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Thanks for the heads up on the SpeedTVbook.</p>
<p>I am not advocating a return to yesteryear&#8217;s lack of safetly.  I am advocating a return to racing where the driver mattered more.  In fact, putting driving back into the hands of the driver does only a little if any to make the sport more dangerous.  Outlawing downforce producing bodies greatly reduces cornering speeds, which combined with keeping all the other modern tech safety items would make F1 far safer than what it is now.  And you still have interesting racing instead of what we see now. </p>
<p>Wings and huge downforce make the racing more dangerous not the reverse.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Mitch Yelverton</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/f1-safety-is-par-for-the-course/comment-page-1/#comment-7430</link>
		<dc:creator>Mitch Yelverton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Aug 2006 14:20:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>elsdude: If you&#039;re interested in in-car shots, I highly recommend picking up &quot;50 Years of Formula 1 Onboard&quot; from speedtvbooks.com - excellent onboard footage from Fangio, Stewart, Moss, DePailler, etc...  And for those who would like to do away with the armco and put the trees back trackside, this may change your opinion.</description>
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		<title>By: Mitch Yelverton</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/f1-safety-is-par-for-the-course/comment-page-1/#comment-7427</link>
		<dc:creator>Mitch Yelverton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Aug 2006 14:16:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I admit, F1 from the 50&#039;s to the middle/late 70&#039;s was a different time in the sport&#039;s history.  When you think about the absolute mortality rate, there were several 4 year spans in which 1 in 4 drivers who took a green flag would not live out that span.  1 in 4! Coal miners who crab fish in the bering straight during the summer and sky dive for fun on weekends wouldn&#039;t accept those kind of odds.  The horrific stories abound - 2 rookies killed at spa in the same race; 6 ferrari drivers killed in 3 years; body parts on the track at le mans - these were everyday occurences.  The culture of the sport itself was fundamentally different when every Sunday, you were faced with the fact that your fellow drivers might not make it to the post-race party.  The Stewart and Senna shunts are really relatively bland examples of the carnage - read Robert Daley&#039;s book &quot;The Cruel Sport&quot; - though he&#039;s sometimes referred to as &quot;Death&quot; Daley for his fascination with the darker side of things, the book paints a very vibrant picture of the period.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->I admit, F1 from the 50&#8217;s to the middle/late 70&#8217;s was a different time in the sport&#8217;s history.  When you think about the absolute mortality rate, there were several 4 year spans in which 1 in 4 drivers who took a green flag would not live out that span.  1 in 4! Coal miners who crab fish in the bering straight during the summer and sky dive for fun on weekends wouldn&#8217;t accept those kind of odds.  The horrific stories abound &#8211; 2 rookies killed at spa in the same race; 6 ferrari drivers killed in 3 years; body parts on the track at le mans &#8211; these were everyday occurences.  The culture of the sport itself was fundamentally different when every Sunday, you were faced with the fact that your fellow drivers might not make it to the post-race party.  The Stewart and Senna shunts are really relatively bland examples of the carnage &#8211; read Robert Daley&#8217;s book &#8220;The Cruel Sport&#8221; &#8211; though he&#8217;s sometimes referred to as &#8220;Death&#8221; Daley for his fascination with the darker side of things, the book paints a very vibrant picture of the period.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: esldude</title>
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		<dc:creator>esldude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Aug 2006 05:41:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Same here.  I watch mostly qualifying for F1 because it has lots of in car camera shots.  That look positively surreal. 

For &#039;racing&#039; one must look elsewhere as you said doublechili.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Same here.  I watch mostly qualifying for F1 because it has lots of in car camera shots.  That look positively surreal. </p>
<p>For &#8216;racing&#8217; one must look elsewhere as you said doublechili.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: doublechili</title>
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		<dc:creator>doublechili</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Aug 2006 03:59:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Esldude, I agree with a lot of what you said.  To use an analogy (I hate analogies) tennis used to be a lot more entertaining back when everybody used those old wooden and early metal and composite raquets with sweet spots about the size of a tennis ball. Everybody didn&#039;t hit the ball 100+ mph all the time, but when they did you knew it was a great shot and that the player gambled to make it.

I appreciate the technological marvels that F1 cars are, but just like the new tennis raquets they can cover mistakes like the old cars couldn&#039;t. Less opportunity for mistakes homogenizes things. More opportunity for mistakes makes for better &lt;em&gt;racing&lt;/em&gt; with more focus on the drivers. I realize safety isn&#039;t going to go backwards, so as a tradeoff I&#039;d rather see smaller courses with slower speeds but more competition. But that&#039;s not going to happen, so I&#039;ll watch F1 sometimes, mostly for the amazing in- car camera sequences, and watch other series for racing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Esldude, I agree with a lot of what you said.  To use an analogy (I hate analogies) tennis used to be a lot more entertaining back when everybody used those old wooden and early metal and composite raquets with sweet spots about the size of a tennis ball. Everybody didn&#8217;t hit the ball 100+ mph all the time, but when they did you knew it was a great shot and that the player gambled to make it.</p>
<p>I appreciate the technological marvels that F1 cars are, but just like the new tennis raquets they can cover mistakes like the old cars couldn&#8217;t. Less opportunity for mistakes homogenizes things. More opportunity for mistakes makes for better <em>racing</em> with more focus on the drivers. I realize safety isn&#8217;t going to go backwards, so as a tradeoff I&#8217;d rather see smaller courses with slower speeds but more competition. But that&#8217;s not going to happen, so I&#8217;ll watch F1 sometimes, mostly for the amazing in- car camera sequences, and watch other series for racing.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: esldude</title>
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		<dc:creator>esldude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Aug 2006 02:29:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we could have great racing with modern safety.  I think F1 needs two things.  In case you don&#039;t know it, the driver has the car do much of the driving for him now.  

The other thing is such extreme downforce.  

If the driver controlled the car himself it would help racing.  And if F1 would outlaw downforce production you would see much better racing.  It wouldn&#039;t be as fast as now, but it would be interesting competition with the driver&#039;s skills making more difference.  And since cornering would occur at about half the speed in any given corner, it would be safer still. 

Of course manufacturer&#039;s would prefer to take it out of the driver&#039;s hands.  They feel if it was car only they could manage never to worry about the drivers.  One less headache. 

F1 hardly qualifies as racing now.  And mentioning qualifying, well the top few spots are mostly determined by qualifying position.  Mechanical problems and mistakes in pits are about all that shake up the first few positions.  If that doesn&#039;t happen, qualifying is the race with so little passing going on.  Or rain, I forgot about rain.  That rain in Hungary made it the best F1 race of the year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->I think we could have great racing with modern safety.  I think F1 needs two things.  In case you don&#8217;t know it, the driver has the car do much of the driving for him now.  </p>
<p>The other thing is such extreme downforce.  </p>
<p>If the driver controlled the car himself it would help racing.  And if F1 would outlaw downforce production you would see much better racing.  It wouldn&#8217;t be as fast as now, but it would be interesting competition with the driver&#8217;s skills making more difference.  And since cornering would occur at about half the speed in any given corner, it would be safer still. </p>
<p>Of course manufacturer&#8217;s would prefer to take it out of the driver&#8217;s hands.  They feel if it was car only they could manage never to worry about the drivers.  One less headache. </p>
<p>F1 hardly qualifies as racing now.  And mentioning qualifying, well the top few spots are mostly determined by qualifying position.  Mechanical problems and mistakes in pits are about all that shake up the first few positions.  If that doesn&#8217;t happen, qualifying is the race with so little passing going on.  Or rain, I forgot about rain.  That rain in Hungary made it the best F1 race of the year.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: carlisimo</title>
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		<dc:creator>carlisimo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Aug 2006 23:39:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bahrain was an entertaining race this year, but I know that hasn&#039;t always been the case.  And China isn&#039;t looking like it worked as it should have (but I bet if they ran it in reverse it&#039;d be better).

Turkey, however, is exactly what we&#039;ve been waiting for from Tilke.  Today&#039;s race was awesome, and there were a lot of great passes.  That&#039;s not a great win/loss record for the Tilke tracks, but maybe it&#039;s a sign that he&#039;s figured things out.

If it were up to me, I&#039;d drop Imola, Spain, Hungary, and one of the German tracks.  And I would NOT drop Suzuka for Fuji as they are doing for 2007 (grr).  It wouldn&#039;t have to be permanent cancellations; give other tracks a few years to prove themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Bahrain was an entertaining race this year, but I know that hasn&#8217;t always been the case.  And China isn&#8217;t looking like it worked as it should have (but I bet if they ran it in reverse it&#8217;d be better).</p>
<p>Turkey, however, is exactly what we&#8217;ve been waiting for from Tilke.  Today&#8217;s race was awesome, and there were a lot of great passes.  That&#8217;s not a great win/loss record for the Tilke tracks, but maybe it&#8217;s a sign that he&#8217;s figured things out.</p>
<p>If it were up to me, I&#8217;d drop Imola, Spain, Hungary, and one of the German tracks.  And I would NOT drop Suzuka for Fuji as they are doing for 2007 (grr).  It wouldn&#8217;t have to be permanent cancellations; give other tracks a few years to prove themselves.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: James2</title>
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		<dc:creator>James2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Aug 2006 21:11:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recently saw the classic movie &quot;Grand Prix&quot; for the first time and... wow! The difference between then and now is amazing. From a driver&#039;s point of view I would imagine they like today&#039;s conditions (safety and equipment wise) far better, but one could argue that the racing was &quot;purer&quot; back then. 

That said, I wish someone would find a way to combine today&#039;s safer racing conditions with a circuit that offered some of the drama of the older circuits. Shanghai and Bahrain (to name two) offer up magnificent architecture... but bland racing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->I recently saw the classic movie &#8220;Grand Prix&#8221; for the first time and&#8230; wow! The difference between then and now is amazing. From a driver&#8217;s point of view I would imagine they like today&#8217;s conditions (safety and equipment wise) far better, but one could argue that the racing was &#8220;purer&#8221; back then. </p>
<p>That said, I wish someone would find a way to combine today&#8217;s safer racing conditions with a circuit that offered some of the drama of the older circuits. Shanghai and Bahrain (to name two) offer up magnificent architecture&#8230; but bland racing.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: mistercopacetic</title>
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		<dc:creator>mistercopacetic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Aug 2006 17:00:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent article. I especially like how you write in a way that car guys will &quot;get,&quot; but still make it accessible. I only recognize some of the tracks mentioned through video games; I can&#039;t imagine how amazing it must be to watch the real thing.  It seems almost impossible for me to imagine that there was a time just a few decades ago when racing really was flying in a tub with just a helmet wearing you for protection. If the bureaucracy of racing and corporate sponsorship calmed down a bit, I think more people would come into the fold of F1.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Excellent article. I especially like how you write in a way that car guys will &#8220;get,&#8221; but still make it accessible. I only recognize some of the tracks mentioned through video games; I can&#8217;t imagine how amazing it must be to watch the real thing.  It seems almost impossible for me to imagine that there was a time just a few decades ago when racing really was flying in a tub with just a helmet wearing you for protection. If the bureaucracy of racing and corporate sponsorship calmed down a bit, I think more people would come into the fold of F1.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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