Comments on: E85 Boondoggle of the Day: Gas Prices “Force” Americans to Push for Ethanol Fuel http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/e85-boondoggle-of-the-day-gas-prices-force-americans-to-push-for-ethanol-fuel/ The Truth About Cars is dedicated to providing candid, unbiased automobile reviews and the latest in auto industry news. Sun, 22 Nov 2009 18:29:18 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: RogerB34 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/e85-boondoggle-of-the-day-gas-prices-force-americans-to-push-for-ethanol-fuel/comment-page-1/#comment-505101 RogerB34 Fri, 13 Jun 2008 01:55:07 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/e85-boondoggle-of-the-day-gas-prices-force-americans-to-push-for-ethanol-fuel/#comment-505101 1.4 gal E85 yields about the same mileage as 1 gallon of gasoline. CReport 2006 of their 150 mile test: 18 mpg gasoline, 13 mpg E85. Consumers will know first tank. A common complaint is drop in mpg when E10 winter gasoline is used. 1.4 gal E85 yields about the same mileage as 1 gallon of gasoline. CReport 2006 of their 150 mile test: 18 mpg gasoline, 13 mpg E85. Consumers will know first tank. A common complaint is drop in mpg when E10 winter gasoline is used.

]]> By: mel23 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/e85-boondoggle-of-the-day-gas-prices-force-americans-to-push-for-ethanol-fuel/comment-page-1/#comment-503801 mel23 Thu, 12 Jun 2008 19:42:50 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/e85-boondoggle-of-the-day-gas-prices-force-americans-to-push-for-ethanol-fuel/#comment-503801 To broaden the topic a little, the EU has announced they are opening an anti-dumping investigation concerning the dumping of biofuels from the US. Seems they have a $300 per tonne subsidy on the stuff if it's 99% bio so, for the US producer/seller that means subsidies on both sides of the pond. Of course the problem from the European side is that their poor bio producers are screaming. Where is our farm lobby when our family farmers need them. To broaden the topic a little, the EU has announced they are opening an anti-dumping investigation concerning the dumping of biofuels from the US. Seems they have a $300 per tonne subsidy on the stuff if it’s 99% bio so, for the US producer/seller that means subsidies on both sides of the pond. Of course the problem from the European side is that their poor bio producers are screaming.

Where is our farm lobby when our family farmers need them.

]]> By: Landcrusher http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/e85-boondoggle-of-the-day-gas-prices-force-americans-to-push-for-ethanol-fuel/comment-page-1/#comment-503692 Landcrusher Thu, 12 Jun 2008 19:19:46 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/e85-boondoggle-of-the-day-gas-prices-force-americans-to-push-for-ethanol-fuel/#comment-503692 Public opinion will finally turn against ethanol at about the time someone comes up with an ethanol that actually does make sense. At that point no one will be willing to even talk about it. Public opinion will finally turn against ethanol at about the time someone comes up with an ethanol that actually does make sense. At that point no one will be willing to even talk about it.

]]> By: Theodore http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/e85-boondoggle-of-the-day-gas-prices-force-americans-to-push-for-ethanol-fuel/comment-page-1/#comment-503551 Theodore Thu, 12 Jun 2008 18:50:48 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/e85-boondoggle-of-the-day-gas-prices-force-americans-to-push-for-ethanol-fuel/#comment-503551 On the price issue - I was out in Omaha recently and paid 10¢ less per gallon for 89 octane straight gasoline than I would have paid for 87 octane E10. On the price issue – I was out in Omaha recently and paid 10¢ less per gallon for 89 octane straight gasoline than I would have paid for 87 octane E10.

]]> By: menno http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/e85-boondoggle-of-the-day-gas-prices-force-americans-to-push-for-ethanol-fuel/comment-page-1/#comment-503532 menno Thu, 12 Jun 2008 18:45:51 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/e85-boondoggle-of-the-day-gas-prices-force-americans-to-push-for-ethanol-fuel/#comment-503532 Sorry, forgot to mention, the only reason ethanol laced gasoline is "cheaper" is because we the taxpayers in America subsidize it to the tune of about 51 cents per gallon. Pure idiocy. Sorry, forgot to mention, the only reason ethanol laced gasoline is “cheaper” is because we the taxpayers in America subsidize it to the tune of about 51 cents per gallon.

Pure idiocy.

]]> By: menno http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/e85-boondoggle-of-the-day-gas-prices-force-americans-to-push-for-ethanol-fuel/comment-page-1/#comment-503512 menno Thu, 12 Jun 2008 18:44:45 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/e85-boondoggle-of-the-day-gas-prices-force-americans-to-push-for-ethanol-fuel/#comment-503512 Well, offroadinfrontier, not only is E10 terrible for cars built before 1983 (in fact at one point, I found an ethanol industry website which stated "do not use in such vehicles" but it since has disappeared), but you're likely to lose +/- 10% MPG on E10 fuel. I have tested out E10 (aka "gasohol") in every vehicle I've owned since 1979, and found that in every case, I've lost between 10% and 25% MPG, except one car which "only" lost 7% MPG on E10. Taking into account the oil (and water) used to produce ethanol, and it's a lose-lose proposition all around. Except for companies such as Archer-Daniels-Midland and ethanol producers (and the politicians that they send money to). Well, offroadinfrontier, not only is E10 terrible for cars built before 1983 (in fact at one point, I found an ethanol industry website which stated “do not use in such vehicles” but it since has disappeared), but you’re likely to lose +/- 10% MPG on E10 fuel.

I have tested out E10 (aka “gasohol”) in every vehicle I’ve owned since 1979, and found that in every case, I’ve lost between 10% and 25% MPG, except one car which “only” lost 7% MPG on E10.

Taking into account the oil (and water) used to produce ethanol, and it’s a lose-lose proposition all around.

Except for companies such as Archer-Daniels-Midland and ethanol producers (and the politicians that they send money to).

]]> By: Theodore http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/e85-boondoggle-of-the-day-gas-prices-force-americans-to-push-for-ethanol-fuel/comment-page-1/#comment-503471 Theodore Thu, 12 Jun 2008 18:38:40 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/e85-boondoggle-of-the-day-gas-prices-force-americans-to-push-for-ethanol-fuel/#comment-503471 Glad you went after him on the environmental impact of E85. Good interview on both sides; I enjoyed listening to this one. Glad you went after him on the environmental impact of E85. Good interview on both sides; I enjoyed listening to this one.

]]> By: offroadinfrontier http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/e85-boondoggle-of-the-day-gas-prices-force-americans-to-push-for-ethanol-fuel/comment-page-1/#comment-503462 offroadinfrontier Thu, 12 Jun 2008 18:37:26 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/e85-boondoggle-of-the-day-gas-prices-force-americans-to-push-for-ethanol-fuel/#comment-503462 what about those of us with 20+ year old cars (who don't plan on getting rid of them)? This stuff can't be good for 'em... what about those of us with 20+ year old cars (who don’t plan on getting rid of them)? This stuff can’t be good for ‘em…

]]> By: chuckgoolsbee http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/e85-boondoggle-of-the-day-gas-prices-force-americans-to-push-for-ethanol-fuel/comment-page-1/#comment-503342 chuckgoolsbee Thu, 12 Jun 2008 18:05:33 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/e85-boondoggle-of-the-day-gas-prices-force-americans-to-push-for-ethanol-fuel/#comment-503342 "Energy Independence" is a myth, at least on the scale of a nation or a society. Market forces, Government entanglements in the form of taxation and subsidy, and the consumers' unwillingness to actually do anything themselves except buy stuff, all add up to the impossibility. As one of the B&B's said here recently North America is the most drilled into continent on the planet, so finding enough petroleum here ain't gonna do the trick either. Besides, strategically we're better off in the long run leaving as much of "our" oil buried anyway. The only way to be truly energy independent is on a small scale. Individuals, families, small groups of people. It requires hard work and ingenuity. Something it seems the vast majority of consumers either don't have or are unwilling to summon up and apply to the problem. Unless of course an entity, (Gov't, Industry, etc) decides to lay out a Manhattan Project scale effort to develop alternative energy solutions. I doubt however that our current administration has the courage to mount an effort on that scale with that aim. --chuck http://chuck.goolsbee.org “Energy Independence” is a myth, at least on the scale of a nation or a society. Market forces, Government entanglements in the form of taxation and subsidy, and the consumers’ unwillingness to actually do anything themselves except buy stuff, all add up to the impossibility. As one of the B&B’s said here recently North America is the most drilled into continent on the planet, so finding enough petroleum here ain’t gonna do the trick either. Besides, strategically we’re better off in the long run leaving as much of “our” oil buried anyway.

The only way to be truly energy independent is on a small scale. Individuals, families, small groups of people. It requires hard work and ingenuity. Something it seems the vast majority of consumers either don’t have or are unwilling to summon up and apply to the problem.

Unless of course an entity, (Gov’t, Industry, etc) decides to lay out a Manhattan Project scale effort to develop alternative energy solutions. I doubt however that our current administration has the courage to mount an effort on that scale with that aim.

–chuck
http://chuck.goolsbee.org

]]> By: Geotpf http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/e85-boondoggle-of-the-day-gas-prices-force-americans-to-push-for-ethanol-fuel/comment-page-1/#comment-503312 Geotpf Thu, 12 Jun 2008 17:53:07 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/e85-boondoggle-of-the-day-gas-prices-force-americans-to-push-for-ethanol-fuel/#comment-503312 Mileage in an E85 vehicle depends on a number of factors-mainly the vehicle itself. That is, if one expects everybody to mostly, or exclusively, use E85, one can get more mileage out of it. But flex fuel vehicles are designed assuming that most users will use gas, with E85 compatability as an afterthought, so they do better with dino juice. Mileage in an E85 vehicle depends on a number of factors-mainly the vehicle itself. That is, if one expects everybody to mostly, or exclusively, use E85, one can get more mileage out of it. But flex fuel vehicles are designed assuming that most users will use gas, with E85 compatability as an afterthought, so they do better with dino juice.

]]> By: EJ_San_Fran http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/e85-boondoggle-of-the-day-gas-prices-force-americans-to-push-for-ethanol-fuel/comment-page-1/#comment-503292 EJ_San_Fran Thu, 12 Jun 2008 17:48:28 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/e85-boondoggle-of-the-day-gas-prices-force-americans-to-push-for-ethanol-fuel/#comment-503292 Mr. Nuernberg says MPG is only 10% to 20% lower on E85. So what's the truth about E-85 mileage? Should be easy to measure. Mr. Nuernberg says MPG is only 10% to 20% lower on E85.
So what’s the truth about E-85 mileage?
Should be easy to measure.

]]> By: Banned User http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/e85-boondoggle-of-the-day-gas-prices-force-americans-to-push-for-ethanol-fuel/comment-page-1/#comment-503191 Banned User Thu, 12 Jun 2008 17:24:38 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/e85-boondoggle-of-the-day-gas-prices-force-americans-to-push-for-ethanol-fuel/#comment-503191 Thank you government for preventing the drilling for and production of oil and foisting the ethanol scam upon the population. <em>U.S. corn soars to record as crop flooded </em> http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080611/bs_nm/markets_grains_dc Thank you government for preventing the drilling for and production of oil and foisting the ethanol scam upon the population.

U.S. corn soars to record as crop flooded

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080611/bs_nm/markets_grains_dc

]]> By: GS650G http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/e85-boondoggle-of-the-day-gas-prices-force-americans-to-push-for-ethanol-fuel/comment-page-1/#comment-503061 GS650G Thu, 12 Jun 2008 16:49:20 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/e85-boondoggle-of-the-day-gas-prices-force-americans-to-push-for-ethanol-fuel/#comment-503061 EPIC=OPEC How about bringing MTBE back and telling the tree huggers to pound sand? Do we even need oxygenated gas in the amounts sold anymore? How many cars need oxy fuel to run cleaner, cars made in the past 10 years are light years ahead of older vehicles in terms of reduced emissions. Enough already. I'll start caring about this stuff when they start caring about the economy and our livelyhood. EPIC=OPEC

How about bringing MTBE back and telling the tree huggers to pound sand? Do we even need oxygenated gas in the amounts sold anymore? How many cars need oxy fuel to run cleaner, cars made in the past 10 years are light years ahead of older vehicles in terms of reduced emissions.

Enough already. I’ll start caring about this stuff when they start caring about the economy and our livelyhood.

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