Comments on: E85 Boondoggle of the Day: Fear And Loathing On The Campaign Trail http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/e85-boondoggle-of-the-day-fear-and-loathing-on-the-campaign-trail/ The Truth About Cars is dedicated to providing candid, unbiased automobile reviews and the latest in auto industry news. Mon, 23 Nov 2009 03:13:18 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: KixStart http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/e85-boondoggle-of-the-day-fear-and-loathing-on-the-campaign-trail/comment-page-1/#comment-730352 KixStart Fri, 29 Aug 2008 19:07:17 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/?p=66631#comment-730352 Somebody on FastLane was inspired by your article title: <a href="http://fastlane.gmblogs.com/archives/2008/08/fear_and_loathing_in_denver.html" rel="nofollow">Fear and Loathing in Denver</a> It was posted just today, 8/29/08. Somebody on FastLane was inspired by your article title:

Fear and Loathing in Denver

It was posted just today, 8/29/08.

]]> By: blindfaith http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/e85-boondoggle-of-the-day-fear-and-loathing-on-the-campaign-trail/comment-page-1/#comment-728172 blindfaith Fri, 29 Aug 2008 03:50:55 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/?p=66631#comment-728172 The ethanol infrastructure in the US already exists. Simply put 10% ethanol in all the gas. we could distribute all the ethanol we could make. This would slow down IRAN nuclear program without any negotiations by 10% the vaporization of New York would be delayed. The EPA would like it because it would reduce pollution and the illegal aliens would like it because we could pay them a decent wage. Replaces, the auto workers as the new middle class. The ethanol infrastructure in the US already exists. Simply put 10% ethanol in all the gas.

we could distribute all the ethanol we could make.

This would slow down IRAN nuclear program without any negotiations by 10% the vaporization of New York would be delayed. The EPA would like it because it would reduce pollution and the illegal aliens would like it because we could pay them a decent wage. Replaces, the auto workers as the new middle class.

]]> By: Areitu http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/e85-boondoggle-of-the-day-fear-and-loathing-on-the-campaign-trail/comment-page-1/#comment-727392 Areitu Thu, 28 Aug 2008 23:17:04 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/?p=66631#comment-727392 racebeer : The wife of Cargill's CEO bought a Rolls Royce Drophead shortly after it was announced because she saw a targa SLR and wanted something "more unique." So I think we're doing pretty well in that regards... I think what tends to be left out of the equation is that the US does brew more ethanol than Brazil, and Brazil has it's own strong oil reserves as well as the benefit of being a less "thirsty" country. Just because ethanol works for them, doesn't mean it'll work for us. racebeer : The wife of Cargill’s CEO bought a Rolls Royce Drophead shortly after it was announced because she saw a targa SLR and wanted something “more unique.” So I think we’re doing pretty well in that regards…

I think what tends to be left out of the equation is that the US does brew more ethanol than Brazil, and Brazil has it’s own strong oil reserves as well as the benefit of being a less “thirsty” country. Just because ethanol works for them, doesn’t mean it’ll work for us.

]]> By: racebeer http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/e85-boondoggle-of-the-day-fear-and-loathing-on-the-campaign-trail/comment-page-1/#comment-726311 racebeer Thu, 28 Aug 2008 17:33:54 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/?p=66631#comment-726311 As long as ADM and Cargill are alive, this madness will continue. Logic, unfortunately, is not an option. As long as ADM and Cargill are alive, this madness will continue. Logic, unfortunately, is not an option.

]]> By: ppellico http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/e85-boondoggle-of-the-day-fear-and-loathing-on-the-campaign-trail/comment-page-1/#comment-726271 ppellico Thu, 28 Aug 2008 17:21:14 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/?p=66631#comment-726271 The Texas Gov just lost a big fight with the feds on this as well. Doctor, Doctor...I've got a bad case. I am trying my best to stay calm and keep the blood pressure somewhat near 190/95. I even limited my drinking to after noon. Its just so much harder to keep calm without the booze! I feel out of control and the crooks have the wheel. The additive sucks. It causes poor mpg. It makes every farmer ignor other crops and now everybody only has two crops in all mid-west fields....corn and soybeans. That's it. Its another forced welfare program where we don't end up with children without married parents (you got a fatter check as a single), but we end up with stores without vegetables and a one crop farmer. The gas goes up. MPG goes down. The food prices go up. The farmers are happy. I have the shakes. The Texas Gov just lost a big fight with the feds on this as well.
Doctor, Doctor…I’ve got a bad case.
I am trying my best to stay calm and keep the blood pressure somewhat near 190/95.
I even limited my drinking to after noon.
Its just so much harder to keep calm without the booze!
I feel out of control and the crooks have the wheel.

The additive sucks.
It causes poor mpg.
It makes every farmer ignor other crops and now everybody only has two crops in all mid-west fields….corn and soybeans.
That’s it.
Its another forced welfare program where we don’t end up with children without married parents (you got a fatter check as a single), but we end up with stores without vegetables and a one crop farmer.

The gas goes up.
MPG goes down.
The food prices go up.
The farmers are happy.
I have the shakes.

]]> By: SunnyvaleCA http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/e85-boondoggle-of-the-day-fear-and-loathing-on-the-campaign-trail/comment-page-1/#comment-726071 SunnyvaleCA Thu, 28 Aug 2008 16:38:19 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/?p=66631#comment-726071 <blockquote>The Brazilians would love to sell you lots of ethanol.</blockquote> While that might be true, it doesn't make any economic sense either. Brazil easily consumes all the ethanol it produces. In fact, Brazil burns as much gasoline as ethanol. Counting diesel, ethanol makes up merely 18% of liquid fuels (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanol_fuel_in_Brazil). So, if they send a billion gallons of the stuff to the USA, the USA's gasoline consumption goes down by a billion gallons and Brazil's goes up by a billion dollars. All in all you have: (1) transported ethanol a few thousand miles for no net reduction in worldwide gasoline use (2) taken ethanol from a country which already has ethanol infrastructure (pumps, transport, and vehicles designed for it) and sent that ethanol to a country that has very poor ethanol infrastructure
The Brazilians would love to sell you lots of ethanol.

While that might be true, it doesn’t make any economic sense either. Brazil easily consumes all the ethanol it produces. In fact, Brazil burns as much gasoline as ethanol. Counting diesel, ethanol makes up merely 18% of liquid fuels (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanol_fuel_in_Brazil). So, if they send a billion gallons of the stuff to the USA, the USA’s gasoline consumption goes down by a billion gallons and Brazil’s goes up by a billion dollars.

All in all you have:
(1) transported ethanol a few thousand miles for no net reduction in worldwide gasoline use
(2) taken ethanol from a country which already has ethanol infrastructure (pumps, transport, and vehicles designed for it) and sent that ethanol to a country that has very poor ethanol infrastructure

]]> By: guyincognito http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/e85-boondoggle-of-the-day-fear-and-loathing-on-the-campaign-trail/comment-page-1/#comment-726042 guyincognito Thu, 28 Aug 2008 16:35:13 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/?p=66631#comment-726042 "The massive, frustrated energies of a mainly young, disillusioned electorate that has long since abandoned the idea that we all have a duty to vote. This is like being told you have a duty to buy a new car, but you have to choose immediately between a Ford and a Chevy" Hunter S. Thompson, Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail. “The massive, frustrated energies of a mainly young, disillusioned electorate that has long since abandoned the idea that we all have a duty to vote. This is like being told you have a duty to buy a new car, but you have to choose immediately between a Ford and a Chevy” Hunter S. Thompson, Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail.

]]> By: the duke http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/e85-boondoggle-of-the-day-fear-and-loathing-on-the-campaign-trail/comment-page-1/#comment-725842 the duke Thu, 28 Aug 2008 16:03:37 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/?p=66631#comment-725842 Technically, Minnesota claims to be the land of ten-thousand lakes. So they deserve more pork funding, right? Technically, Minnesota claims to be the land of ten-thousand lakes. So they deserve more pork funding, right?

]]> By: austinseven http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/e85-boondoggle-of-the-day-fear-and-loathing-on-the-campaign-trail/comment-page-1/#comment-725781 austinseven Thu, 28 Aug 2008 15:53:14 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/?p=66631#comment-725781 The Brazilians would love to sell you lots of ethanol - at about half the price if only you would let it in. The Brazilians would love to sell you lots of ethanol – at about half the price if only you would let it in.

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