By admin on April 6, 2009

[Written by TTAC commentator FreedMike] Much to the annoyance of the local BMW and Infiniti dealers, I’ve been shopping these two cars. But, hey, it’s MY 40 large, not YOURS. So I’ll be picky if I wanna be). By now, I’m VERY familiar with the two machines. I don’t know why TTAC’s comparison was between the 324-hp G37 and a 328 that gives up about 100 hp. The G37 will eat the 328 for lunch. The real comparison is between the G37 and the 335.

From the outside, both cars look great, with the Infiniti wearing sleeker duds. The BMW has that classic 3-Series proportioning that wears so well over time. Either car makes a strong style statement, so you can chalk this one up to personal preference.

The Bimmer’s interior boasts a slightly higher-quality tactile feel, while the Infiniti’s cabin offers more impressive styling (particularly if you nix the aluminum trim for African rosewood). The Infiniti has an LCD display mounted high on the dashboard that displays the radio, climate controls and (optional) navigation. When equipped with navigation, the BMW’s high-mounted LCD display looks like it’s been lumped on top of the dashboard as an afterthought.

The BMW 335’s lower ride height makes ingress and egress harder. Once inside, both the Infiniti and BMW offer supportive chairs (sports seats optional). The Infiniti G37 rides slightly higher so there is actual foot room in back; if you sit low in the BMW, your back seat passengers will have NO foot room whatsoever.

The 335’s twin turbo motor is an absolute gem: eager off the line, strong throughout the power band and wonderful to listen to at any speed. The G37’s naturally aspirated V-6 is similarly strong, if a bit more throaty and assertive-sounding; think of the G37 as espresso and the 335 as frappé.

Both cars have well-sorted automatic transmissions with a manual shift feature. The G37’s new seven-speed transmission offers more cogs, The sport model’s paddle shifters are finely crafted in magnesium, with a grippy rubber backing. They’re big and easy to reach from the wheel, and operate with a marvelously precise feel. The BMW’s paddle shift system works well, but I found myself using the Infiniti’s paddles more often.

In terms of driving dynamics, the BMW is near perfect, but the Infiniti’s not far off. If you don’t drive on the knife-edge of adhesion, you won’t feel much of a difference. But it’s there.

The 335 is the more refined ride, but not by much. It’s also subjectively quicker. In reality, the two cars are about evenly matched. Both are highly capable back-road maulers, with accurate steering, strong brakes and solid structures. The BMW’s almost telepathic steering gives it an edge over the Infiniti in this category. Anyone who drives at less than nine-tenths won’t notice much of a difference.

The BMW is the better car, but the differences are subjective and very subtle. And the superiority comes at a price.

A loaded G37X with the sport package runs $42 grand. A similarly equipped 335Xi (navigation, leather, top-notch sound system, etc) is $52 grand. You can get a base 335 for the same price as the G37, but it comes with a tinny-sounding sound system with the world’s worst display (it’s cryptic, with a cheap-looking red LCD display that disappears completely if you wear polarized sunglasses).

I can live without navigation, but other equipment choices are harder to justify at a matching price point, such as the manual steering wheel adjuster (as opposed to the Infiniti’s electrically-adjusted steering column, which glides up and out of the way when you get out of the car). The Bimmer’s iPod interface is a $450 option—a standard feature on an $18K Toyota Corolla.

But the hardest cheap-out to justify on the base 335: the drab-looking vinyl seats, which offer neither heating nor lumbar support, and emit a nasty chemical odor to boot. The effect is far more pronounced on cars with tan interiors. Even the charcoal vinyl interior, which does a decent leather imitation, has a nasty smell. How BMW has the chutzpah to charge over $40K for a car with vinyl seats is beyond me.

Still, the 335 offers a sublime driving experience, and the cachet of the roundel. The Infiniti offers a more a more strongly-flavored (some would say less refined) drive. Subjectively, it’s not quite up to the standard of the BMW.

Removing price from the equation, the BMW wins. However, given the price difference between similarly equipped models, the Infiniti triumphs, particularly against the out-muscled 328. That’s doubly true if you value the latest and greatest gizmos: standard in the Infiniti for the same money as a base 3-Series.

Overall, I’d give the nod to the Infiniti G37 over the BMW 335 based on superior value. And unless you’re a die-hard BMW fan, the G37’s a no-brainer over the 328.

84 Comments on “Comparo, Take Two: Infiniti G37 vs. BMW 335...”


  • speedlaw

    Been there, done that.

    BMW prices a loss leader. It’s about $2 less than the competition. This is so they can advertise it.

    The Competition is usually well equipped as the writer states. The BMW is strippo.

    Even if you try to get the BMW, reasoning that you can live without I-drive or the $500 ipod hookup (really !), you run straight into the options packaging. Want sport seats ? Requires Leather. (+2500) Most of the packages have one thing you want (seat heaters) and five you don’t (built in garage door openers, sunroof). By the time you get done making equal cars, you are 10-15k higher than the competition-and the Japanese do electronics better anyway.

    It was the same for two cars, but I came down both sides. For the car, I decided the 3 series was worth the money. For the family truck, the X class was just rudely overpriced, and the six underpowered, so Acura’s MDX was a better choice. The X was worse than the 3-er, as the bump up to the V8 was quite a bit more than the 3-er bump up to the bigger engine. The 328 is not slow, but the 335 is faster. The x5 with the six is SLOW, which is pathetic for a car costing what it does.

    If you keep your cars, I can report that the BMW, at least in my driveway, is nearly bulletproof.

  • vento97
    vento97

    Both cars are quite pricey:

    BMW = “Break My Wallet”
    Infiniti = “The amount of money flying out of your wallet”

    Both cars have way too many electronic gizmos for my use….

  • gdd9000
    gdd9000

    Agreed on the options issue with the 335. Once I realized that, I also realized there were other cars that were in the range of what I was going to have to spend. And with that, I ended up with an S5. One other thing you might want to think about, if it matters to you, is the image the car projects…and the Infiniti, BMW and Audi will each project something quite different.

  • Detroit-X
    Detroit-X

    I saw the new, 2010, Buick LaCrosse parked next to a new BMW the other day, and boy, did it make that BMW look utterly dated. I can’t speak for the driving feel or performance, but the website says you can get the 280 hp V-6 in it, and AWD. GM’s been knocking-out some long balls in the park lately. Too bad about the name on this one, though.

  • MattVA
    MattVA

    In regards to the steering wheel adjusting mechanism: You probably shouldn’t include this in you decision. I used to think auto vs. manual adjustment was important until I realized that I haven’t adjusted my steering wheel location in almost 2 years now. (This might also be because the only other driver, my wife, is only 2 inches shorter than me.)

    Anyway, I wouldn’t factor this into the final decision if I were you.

  • JJ
    JJ

    I would still go for the 328i, but then again, here in Europe different standards apply (and it would have to be a 325i or 330i), which in practise means the G37 would be compared to the 325/330i first of all, and the 335i is on another level.

    The extra 50-80HP (330i in Europe is rated at 272 metric HP, which is only slightly more than BHP) the G37 is going to give you over the normally aspirated BMW I6s, isn’t really going to be an issue because the 325/28/30 has more than enough grunt for the straight line stuff as well. Keep in mind that right here, you can have a 316/18/20 with I4s and the 320i is already considered a quick car (and on a side note, here in the Netherlands, it’s more expensive than a 335i in the US, so that messes with peoples perceptions of grunt a little).

    Yes, the G37 will be quicker of the line but who cares really. What is way more important for driving fun is how does the car handle through the corners. The 3-series has still got it covered in that area, whether you drive a lowly 316i or a 335i.

    On top of that there are the better interior materials, which is probably a more important selling point right here than in the US and the argument that the Infiniti would be more reliable is pretty much no selling point at all here, compared to (my impression) a big selling point in the US. I don’t know why this is the case but I’ve noticed before that the perception of reliability of certain brands vary hugely between the US and Europe.

    Finally, the G37’s engine is not quite on par with the 335i’s. Both are great engines but the 335 in reality has more power in a wider rev range.

  • jerseydevil
    jerseydevil

    i would be more interested in the 328. I am less impressed by large engines. I prefer handling prowess.

  • XCSC
    XCSC

    @MattVA,
    As I begin to read your reply I thought for sure you were going to complain about having to wait for the electric motor to do it’s thing on the steering wheel/column…but you threw me off.

    I can say that my wife’s next car WILL have some kind of memory function for the seat/mirrors at a minimum. We drive each other’s cars regularly and readjusting all the mirrors and seat is a big hassle in our eyes. My 2000 Passat has memory seat/mirrors but her no-longer-in-the-stable 2001 Audi A4 didn’t…and it had every option available – I don’t understand. I know a news A4 would have it now though. Of course it doesn’t relate directly to your commentary or the review but I thought it was relevant.

  • klossfam
    klossfam

    MattVA – I can agree that I never moved my steering column in my previous 2006 A4 but what was not mentioned in the review is that the instrument panel in the G moves with the wheel…A huge point with 6′ plus drivers…The IP in the G is amongst the best I’ve ever owned (2008 G35xS)…

    JJ – The funny part is I’ve driven 335i’s at 9/10ths and 10/10ths at the track in Spartanburg several times – and the 335’s turbo lag (that “supposedly” doesn’t exist) is what sealed the deal for the G…Anyone who says the 335 has more “useable” torque across the entire range simply has not driven both cars in the same conditions…The G’s 3.5L (not to even mention the 22 extra ponies in the 3.7L) is a far more useable engine from idle to redline…

    Interiors – If – like me – you had an Audi before the G – the BMWs interior is simply second rate in ergos and most materials. Even compared to the A4, the G interior is much more bulletproof in day to day use…

  • Redwood

    If the manual versions of both cars are driven, the edge definitely goes to the BMW. I was shopping both cars recently and the G37’s manual has never heard of the word refinement. The back of the 335 may be more cramped, but the front of the G37 was more cramped than the 335’s. That was surprising to me considering the G37 is bigger. The G37’s ride is also a bit harsher, despite the BMW’s run flats. I absolutely agree about the base vinyl seating in the BMW. At least give me some kind of cloth/alcantara option if it’s not going to have leather standard.

  • Michael Karesh

    Detroit-X: the LaCrosse won’t be in the same ballpark as the 3-Series in terms of driving feel. It’s a Lexus substitute.

  • Michael Karesh

    Excellent review, FreedMike. Just one minor correction: iPod integration isn’t even standard in the Lexus LS, much less a Corolla. You might be thinking of aux-in, but that doesn’t give you iPod integration.

    As mentioned in a comment on the Take One review, TrueDelta’s Car Reliability Survey actually indicates a lower repair rate for the BMW when both cars are very new. But if you compare older cars, the Infiniti will require fewer repairs, assuming that the current cars age like the older ones have. Of course, it’s possible that BMW has turned a corner, but it’s too soon to tell yet.

    Our latest results:

    http://www.truedelta.com/car-reliability.php

    Always looking for more participants. 43,000 cars signed up so far.

  • edgett

    I went through a similar comparison two years ago when it was the G35 vs 335/328. I preferred the Infiniti styling, as the “bangle-isms” on the 3-series sedan (moustached grille, goofy cut lines, Korean taillamps) drive me batty. Price had me leaning way to the Infiniti side, but when engine response was compared, BMW was on top. Also, the 3-series interior seems very, em, economical when compared to the G. In the end, however, the driving of the 3-series and the incredible pull of the turbo-motor made me pull another $8k from my wallet and buy the 335 complete with sport and premium packages. I’ve tracked the car several times and it is delightful. Frankly, I don’t find a whole lot of practical use for the 300 hp, and on the track it can get you going far faster than necessary to enjoy the experience, but it is a great deal of fun. If I had my druthers, it would be a 3-series sized, RWD car weighing in around 3200 lbs (or less) with 220 hp or so. I do find the Nissan V6 to be a little “thrummy” in the higher rev ranges, something which is not true about the inline six in the BMW.

    If you are buying an automatic, and plan to keep it, you might consider the fact that most old-line BMW mechanics are unenthusiastic about their auto transmissions. I’d guess the Infiniti transmission is more reliable, but have no data to back that up. Also, I’d expect an aging BMW to be more expensive to maintain than the Infiniti.

    Good choices, both!

  • SupaMan
    SupaMan

    Nowadays you have to factor in BMW’s free maintenance plan if you’re going to choose based on value. While I know it’s YOUR 40 large (lol) I’d definitely spring for the BMW. Such trivial things as navigation (can get a Garmin for 100 bucks nowadays) and iDrive don’t matter much to me and it’d be easier to price the 335 to within a couple thousand of the G37’s price.

    The BMW wins both dynamically and (when a 50,000 mile free maintenance plan is factored in) and value for the money.

    Give Infiniti props though…they’re closest to matching BMW’s onroad character.

  • mxfive4
    mxfive4

    Automatics? Really?

  • andyinsdca
    andyinsdca

    Does the 335 come with those vile, horrible Bridgestone run-flats? If it does, I’m looking elsewhere…

  • Vorenus
    Vorenus

    Nice review, and great point on the value aspect.

    So many car reviews overlook the damn price difference, as if we’re all made of money.

  • johnthacker
    johnthacker


    I don’t know why TTAC’s comparison was between the 324-hp G37 and a 328 that gives up about 100 HP.

    Sure you do, as you point to it later on. Price. A G37 v. 328 comparison is an artificial but not without merit attempt to compare what you can get for the same amount of money from both.

    The situation with the 328i and 335i is almost exactly the reverse of that of the A4’s 2.0T I4 and 3.2 V6, at least to me. The 335i is a great car that has an obvious niche, but I feel that the 328i loses most comparisons. The A4 4-cylinder has a niche as well (best fuel economy and best performance among all the base-engine luxury cars), but the V6 is pretty much only if you’re in love with Audi and really want a nicer engine note.

  • wsn
    wsn

    Removing price from the equation, the BMW wins.

    No. The Ferrari Enzo wins.

  • proteus
    proteus

    The Infiniti sucks.

    Here’s the difference:

    When driving the Infiniti, it feels like you’re driving a car.

    When driving the BMW (328i or 335i with sports package), it feels like you’re one with the car.

    The G37 feels bloated and heavy around corners. It’s also gutless in lower rpms compared to the 335i.

    When you do BMW, European Delivery, the G37 and 335i price difference is a wash.

    Having said that, I would take a 328i over a G37 any day.

    My review qualifications:
    2007 E90 328i (sold)
    2009 E92 335i (current)

    G37:
    1 full week of seat time

  • wsn
    wsn

    A tip for potential buyers:

    When you hear people saying “a used A car is a better value than a new B car” or “A car is a better value than B car but you have to go to another continent to buy it“, you can be quite certain that A car is a piece of crap.

  • Areitu
    Areitu

    proteus :
    April 6th, 2009 at 11:40 am

    I can’t help but point out the last sentence of the review:

    And unless you’re a die-hard BMW fan, the G37’s a no-brain winner over the 328.

    Snarkiness aside, I don’t think either car is crappy. I’m curious about the ED price, since I had considered an ED 135i. Do you remember the ED MSRP for a 335i equipped like the one in this review?

    Most people in this segment seem to lease cars anyway, which narrows the gap between the BMW and Infiniti even further.

    SupaMan :
    I doubt the Infiniti costs 10k to maintain for 4yr/50k miles…

  • theslik1
    theslik1

    Supaman:
    BMW’s “free maintenance” is priced in; the program is the beancounter-designed absolute bare minimum to get a car through its lease period. Since I buy cars to keep I would end up paying a substantial sum for the actual maintenance required to ensure long-term reliability. At any rate, this can’t be assured with any modern Bimmer regardless of how much preventative work you have done.

    The BMW is therefore neither the best short-term nor long-term value if you’re going to keep the car. Not even close. If you intend on leasing it for 2-3 years and trading it in then it makes no difference; the next owner will eventually pick up your slack (in spades).

    It’s sad that the best built parts on a 335i are probably the two Mitsubishi turbochargers…

  • klossfam
    klossfam

    Areitu: Good point on the maintenance costs…As noted earlier, I had the A4 in the last year of Audi’s full maintenance coverage…and yes, it was nice – but the Germans all use long, long service intervals and all German V6s have HUGE oil reservoirs (my 3.2 Audi took 8 quarts of 5W40 syn – which is rarely available for the same price as 5W30 syn)…

    The G on the other hand uses $4 Nissan (or Puro) oil filters, holds EXACTLY 5 quarts of 5W30 – $20 at WalMart for a name brand like Castrol full syn, air filters (need 2) for $28 a pair and change in 2 minutes with no tools – and a cabin filter is $15. If you are a true car guy and handle this yourself, the cost is minimal and even if you take it to the dealer, it nets out WELL BELOW the delta between a 3 and a G…

    I run the intervals at 7500 miles for the G but rotate tires at 5K and air & cabin filters at 15K vs 30K…Easy to work on and zero issues…Hard to beat when you realize you can still own it after the 4 years/60K bumper to bumper and not be haunted by the German electrical gremlins (German car guys – PLEASE do not deny these gremlins exist – I have lots of proof – and we own a 2006 VW Golf/Rabbit)

  • Lee
    Lee

    Possibly the most accurate review of these cars i have read.

  • cretinx

    telepathic steering in the E90 BMW?

    has he driven an E30 or E36?? The E90 is numb in comparison.

  • ihatetrees
    ihatetrees

    Could you swap the seats in a base 335i with Recaros? Or would such a swap conjure nasty Bavarian interior electrical gremlins? Or dealership hatred and retribution?

  • Oliedog

    We own a 2007 G35X and looked at the BMW 335 prior to buying the G (we bought the G late in 2007 for 35.5k). I found the driving experience to be very similar and did not find the BMW 335 noticably faster (I test drove it twice – maybe I needed more time in the seat). Granted, I did not drvie it over 100mph where the 335 probably outpaces the G (the G acclerates slowly after 100, but then again, who really drives 100mph on a regular basis). But when we compared the interior, the options and the present and long-term value (we will drive it for 7 plus years), the 50K 335 did not even belong in the discussion. For 35K (our budget), we found the G to be head and shoulders above any other car. As a side note, if I was spending 50K and wanted something fast, why bother with a 335 BMW, when you can get a used (three years) 911C2 (with an extended warranty)?

  • Tummy
    Tummy

    Whenever I see people driving these $40-$50k cars, I think they’re leased to low to mid-level corporate managers.

  • Flashpoint

    I like the attractive looks of the Infiniti more than the BMW, but, if it came down to it, I’d perfer a C63 AMG.

  • Johnny Canada
    Johnny Canada

    BMW’s Run Flat Tires are a deal breaker for me; horrible driving dynamics, noisy as hell after 8K miles and shockingly expensive to replace.

  • MR42HH
    Mirko Reinhardt

    @JJ :
    I don’t know why this is the case but I’ve noticed before that the perception of reliability of certain brands vary hugely between the US and Europe.

    BMWs rank very highly in German reliability statistics. Auto Bild just finished the 100,000 km test of a 130i hatchback (they completely take them apart after the test), and it was only the second completely fault-free car in their whole history. (the othe one was a Mazda 6)
    My dad is on his 6th 5-series since 1991, and they have all been very good for the 300,000 km he usually keeps them.

    @ihatetrees :
    Could you swap the seats in a base 335i with Recaros? Or would such a swap conjure nasty Bavarian interior electrical gremlins? Or dealership hatred and retribution?

    Would work. BMW offers BMW-branded Recaro lightweight buckets through their “BMW Performance” program.
    In Europe, sports seats require only an optional higher-quality cloth. There is no vinyl in Euro BMWs. Base is cloth, cloth/leather is a 610€ option in the 3, M-Sport models come with very nice cloth/alcantara seats standard.
    In the 1-series, they have an optional cloth that is much nicer than the standard cloth. It costs the princely sum of 140€ and can be combined with sports seats. Cloth/leather seats are available for 540€ in the 1-series. In Orange. Who could pass on that?

  • V6
    V6

    i hate the short trunk styling of the G37

    anyway, my pick would be manual 328i sedan.

    actually no, it would be an E46 325 or 330 manual

  • Travis
    Travis

    I don’t know why TTAC’s comparison was between the 324-hp G37 and a 328 that gives up about 100 hp.

    A loaded G37X with the sport package runs $42 grand. A similarly equipped 335Xi (navigation, leather, top-notch sound system, etc) is $52 grand.

    So you DO know?!

  • FreedMike
    FreedMike

    MXfive4 –

    I live in Colorado, and here, all-wheel-drive is a must. The G37X is available with an automatic only, so for fairness’ sake, I compared it to the automatic BMW.

    I think both gearboxes are brilliant, and I didn’t feel that I was giving up much by foregoing a manual with the sequential shift systems, and frankly, the Infiniti’s paddle shifters are marvelous – they look and feel great, and have a wonderfully positive action.

    However, for accuracy’s sake, I did sample a six-speed 335xi, and while it’s fun to shift for yourself, I found the BMW’s gearbox to be a bit wonky, with long throws. I also found the clutch’s travel to feel overly long. My dad had a ‘80 730i back in the day, and the clutch had the same feel. Wasn’t bad, but not my cup of tea.

    I found myself preferring the automatic 335, believe it or not – with the AWD and sequential shift, you can do freakishly fast takeoffs.

    I used to be a die-hard manual gearbox guy, but hey, if Michael Schumacher’s F1 car had a slushbox… :)

  • FreedMike
    FreedMike

    MattVA –

    I’m a big guy, so ingress and egress on both of these cars is an important point. The Infiniti’s “powered” egress option, which automatically adjusts the seat back and down, and adjusts the wheel upwards, is a huge plus for me.

    Once inside, I actually found the BMW to be slightly more comfortable. Ah, well.

  • FreedMike
    FreedMike

    blockquote cite=”Flashpoint :
    April 7th, 2009 at 12:00 am

    I like the attractive looks of the Infiniti more than the BMW, but, if it came down to it, I’d perfer a C63 AMG.”

    I haven’t driven one (70 large is just way outside my budget), but I did sample a Caddy CTS-V and it’s a BRILLIANT car.

  • FreedMike
    FreedMike

    OK, update…so finally sold myself on the 335xi (yes, I know, the Infiniti was a no brainer, but in the end, I just liked the BMW better) and took the wife and kids to look at the one I picked out. Black metallic with caramel-colored Dakota leather. Be still my beating heart…

    …and nobody fits in back. Even my eight-year-old can’t put her feet below the seat.

    On to the Infiniti place, and same result, though the Infiniti is a little bit bigger inside.

    Looks like Mikey’s midlife crisis car will be a midsize sports sedan instead of a compact one…look for the comparo in days to come. While at the BMW and Infiniti dealers I sampled the 535xi and M35x, so away we go…

    (preview: if you thought the pricing on a 335 was seriously off, try a 535)

  • edgett

    FreedMike – I suspect you’re pretty tall. I was trying to find the smallest RWD car in which the rear seat was usable, and the 335 fit my needs and I am 5′-10″. The Infiniti does have more room and as I recall is about 10″ longer.

    Look at it this way – you still have a brilliant car and your daughter saved you a lot of money. She’ll be spending it real soon, now (ask me how I know), so enjoy it while it lasts. Best of luck with the G37!

  • theslik1
    theslik1

    Mirko Reinhardt:
    BMWs rank very highly in German reliability statistics. Auto Bild just finished the 100,000 km test of a 130i hatchback (they completely take them apart after the test), and it was only the second completely fault-free car in their whole history. (the othe one was a Mazda 6)
    My dad is on his 6th 5-series since 1991, and they have all been very good for the 300,000 km he usually keeps them.

    I offered a too-generic rant on BMW’s reliability and should have made it clear I was specifically referencing NA-spec Bimmers. Your comment is perfectly valid for Euro-spec models. BMW markets very solid entry-level compacts (diesels FTW) in Europe that aren’t festooned with all the electronic gee-gaws that prove so problematic over here in the US.

  • speedlaw

    I know that BMW would sell you a cloth interior here in the US, but you have to know to ask, and to special order the car. You will never see it “on the lot”.

    I spend too much time in my car, and leather or nauga leather does not “breathe”.

    BMW cloth is a very strong microfiber showing almost no wear after five hard years. Banish those memories of ripped and sun-bleached GM seats.

    I don’t know if you still can, but if you are in the market and willing to wait, it’s a good deal.

  • BEAT
    BEAT

    Nothings cheap all expensive. Do I need all those buttons to control my car stereo or wipers?

    I noticed on the highway people with money,jobs and have nice cars are still driving around on Interstate 95 people with no jobs and no money are not driving at all.

    Before I won’t even notice the BMW and Infiniti but with lesser car on the road. They are more obvious. You guys always love the BMW. I rode the BMW it has nothing special about it.

    When your inside the car the only thing that you notice is that your inside a $35,000 BMW.

  • Tummy
    Tummy

    I dropped off my FX45 this morning at the dealer and got a G35X loaner. Doesn’t feel at all “special” especially for how much it cost. The interior was pretty plain, black plastic everywhere.

    For the money and passenger comfort, I would take a slightly used / CPO 7 series or MB E55/E63 AMG/E550 4Matic. Even 07 S550’s are in the 50k range now. I just don’t see the appeal of buying new “near luxury” sport sedans. Either get a luxury car or a sport car. I feel these compromise cars are disappointing like you found out. Either not enough luxury, or not enough sport.

    Maybe a CPO Z4/SLK/Boxter to have fun + a CPO MB E350/ML350 for driving the family around. You can get both combined for less than a new G37 or the comparable 3 series.

  • BEAT
    BEAT

    Tummy you are right on the money. For the money buy an MB. I’ve been trying to explain that on TTAC.

  • wsn
    wsn

    wsn :
    April 6th, 2009 at 12:24 pm

    A tip for potential buyers:

    When you hear people saying “a used A car is a better value than a new B car” or “A car is a better value than B car but you have to go to another continent to buy it“, you can be quite certain that A car is a piece of crap.

    ———————————————-

    WOW, I sure do have foresight…

    FYI, a slightly used G35 could be one third the cost of a E63AMG.

  • ccd1
    ccd1

    There are two things I generally don’t get: AWD cars and coupes. AWD generally costs more, makes for a heavier car with worse gas mileage and higher maintenance costs. There is little upside. Most places don’t require AWD (in the DC area, where I live, AWD is a joke unless you actually go off road). Most places where it might come in handy, they know how to plow. With very few exceptions, AWD in cars like these is a waste of money.

    Coupes can look very nice and I particularly like the coupe version of the 335i, but you pay more for a coupe and get less utility in return. Much as I like the 335i, I’d prefer to save a few thousand dollars and get two additional doors.

    For my money, I’d get the G37 Journey Sport Sedan with the 7 speed auto. If I was going to spend the money BMW is asking for the 335ix, I’d kick in a few more dollars and get the CTS-V.

  • Flashpoint

    FREEDMIKE

    I’d take a CTS-V over the C63, the M3 and the “everything else”

    But I am 6′7 and over 300lbs so it doesn’t work for me at all.

    i own a Chrysler 300 a 2002 Expedition and an S550Benz.

  • konaforever
    konaforever

    BEAT :
    April 7th, 2009 at 11:33 am

    Before I won’t even notice the BMW and Infiniti but with lesser car on the road. They are more obvious. You guys always love the BMW. I rode the BMW it has nothing special about it.

    When your inside the car the only thing that you notice is that your inside a $35,000 BMW.

    That’s because you rode in a BMW. You don’t ride in a BMW; you drive one.

  • boredlawstudent
    boredlawstudent

    I just bought a “gently used” CPO 2007 G35 for $24K. Looks, drives, and is warrantied like new (actually, better than new) for a fraction of the cost. Fantastic automobile.

  • davey49
    davey49

    I would say that neither one of these cars look all that great. They look like cars. Probably drive nice though.
    Freedmike- You probably should have said first off that you’d have passengers in this car.
    I’m thinking more Hyundai Genesis vs Pontiac G8 as opposed to 535 vs M35


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