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	<title>Comments on: Chrysler Suicide Watch 28: The End of the Beginning of the End</title>
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		<title>By: showbizkid</title>
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		<dc:creator>showbizkid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2007 19:47:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s Studebaker all over again. From the aging product line, to the negative cashflow, declining sales and lack of R&amp;D money. Now will come the same thing that ultimately did in Stude - the public rumors of its impending demise. 

No one wants to be stuck with an orphan. Just ask anyone who owned an Eagle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->It&#8217;s Studebaker all over again. From the aging product line, to the negative cashflow, declining sales and lack of R&amp;D money. Now will come the same thing that ultimately did in Stude &#8211; the public rumors of its impending demise. </p>
<p>No one wants to be stuck with an orphan. Just ask anyone who owned an Eagle.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: motownr</title>
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		<dc:creator>motownr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2007 05:57:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I work in PE:  a close friend is in the auto side of the buyouts.

What is missing here is the recognition that the combination of GMAC and CFC really makes CG irrelevant.  Cerb got CG for free...a call option on a marginal business/industry.

Yes, the subprime hit at GMAC is a mess, but the losses are equally absorbed by GM.  BFD.

The play is to stabilize the cflo at CG, and plan for a boffo IPO on the financial side when the market eventually turns.  

CG?  Sale to third party....Nissan, Hyundai, the Chinese.

My $.02</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->I work in PE:  a close friend is in the auto side of the buyouts.</p>
<p>What is missing here is the recognition that the combination of GMAC and CFC really makes CG irrelevant.  Cerb got CG for free&#8230;a call option on a marginal business/industry.</p>
<p>Yes, the subprime hit at GMAC is a mess, but the losses are equally absorbed by GM.  BFD.</p>
<p>The play is to stabilize the cflo at CG, and plan for a boffo IPO on the financial side when the market eventually turns.  </p>
<p>CG?  Sale to third party&#8230;.Nissan, Hyundai, the Chinese.</p>
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		<title>By: iNeon</title>
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		<dc:creator>iNeon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2007 05:08:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chrysler was profitable during the early Daimler-Chrysler days, what happened?</description>
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		<title>By: Sherman Lin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sherman Lin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Dec 2007 17:05:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GS650G Toyota builds in the US payimg good wages and even uses the UAW for some cars and they make a profit.  So I fail to see why the law of the jungle demands it. Chrysler like GM and Ford have ben run like crap for years and now they are looking for shortcuts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->GS650G Toyota builds in the US payimg good wages and even uses the UAW for some cars and they make a profit.  So I fail to see why the law of the jungle demands it. Chrysler like GM and Ford have ben run like crap for years and now they are looking for shortcuts.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: GS650G</title>
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		<dc:creator>GS650G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 14:25:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read the WSJ article and came away with the exact impressions RF did.  People bought RCA and Zenith TVs for years after they were made overseas thinking they were buying American. Dodge and Cry-sler will follow the same fate.  Roll one of their cars over and Made in China will be stamped on the bottom like a Matchbox car.

This is all a classic case of owners lying to everyone at the company about their intent. While they are busy telling workers, suppliers, unions, and investors one thing they are quietly planning an entirely different plan.

But that is business and capitalism. While we may want the government to do something or a different outcome to occur,  the law of the jungle applies. Even to has been car makers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->I read the WSJ article and came away with the exact impressions RF did.  People bought RCA and Zenith TVs for years after they were made overseas thinking they were buying American. Dodge and Cry-sler will follow the same fate.  Roll one of their cars over and Made in China will be stamped on the bottom like a Matchbox car.</p>
<p>This is all a classic case of owners lying to everyone at the company about their intent. While they are busy telling workers, suppliers, unions, and investors one thing they are quietly planning an entirely different plan.</p>
<p>But that is business and capitalism. While we may want the government to do something or a different outcome to occur,  the law of the jungle applies. Even to has been car makers.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: theflyersfan</title>
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		<dc:creator>theflyersfan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 05:25:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>True stories - 
This past Monday morning - Northern KY - two younger gentlemen were driving their new appliance white Dodge Avenger like they stole it.  It must have been a recent purchase - it still had the Kentucky paper tags.  Of the standard three brake lights that should function, only one did.  
That same afternoon.  New Chrysler T&amp;C &quot;mini&quot;van.  Missing plastic trim and more dead taillights.
Later - new 300C had one dead xenon light.
If this is the best they can do with brand new cars with cars that had to have at the most several hundred miles on them, let them fade away.  If they don&#039;t care about making a decent product, see ya.  When you sit in traffic and see the new Dodge and witness time and time again one working light, mental note - scratch Dodge off of the list.  
Worthless fleet cars - that&#039;s what they have been reduced to.  
Also, doesn&#039;t it seem that Chrysler is aiming to win the new version of the &quot;Ford Taurus Rotting on the Vine Award&quot; with the 300?  
I can&#039;t imagine any kind of new ownership getting any positive cash flow out of this dead horse.  Congrats Daimler...now fix your own defective products.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->True stories &#8211;<br />
This past Monday morning &#8211; Northern KY &#8211; two younger gentlemen were driving their new appliance white Dodge Avenger like they stole it.  It must have been a recent purchase &#8211; it still had the Kentucky paper tags.  Of the standard three brake lights that should function, only one did.<br />
That same afternoon.  New Chrysler T&amp;C &#8220;mini&#8221;van.  Missing plastic trim and more dead taillights.<br />
Later &#8211; new 300C had one dead xenon light.<br />
If this is the best they can do with brand new cars with cars that had to have at the most several hundred miles on them, let them fade away.  If they don&#8217;t care about making a decent product, see ya.  When you sit in traffic and see the new Dodge and witness time and time again one working light, mental note &#8211; scratch Dodge off of the list.<br />
Worthless fleet cars &#8211; that&#8217;s what they have been reduced to.<br />
Also, doesn&#8217;t it seem that Chrysler is aiming to win the new version of the &#8220;Ford Taurus Rotting on the Vine Award&#8221; with the 300?<br />
I can&#8217;t imagine any kind of new ownership getting any positive cash flow out of this dead horse.  Congrats Daimler&#8230;now fix your own defective products.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: tdoyle</title>
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		<dc:creator>tdoyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 03:02:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The more I hear about the current and past successes of Jeep, and with them really having the only truly DESIRABLE PRODUCT in the Chrysler stable, why doesn&#039;t a group of investors get together and make Jeep it&#039;s OWN ORGANIZATION?  I could see the ad&#039;s tagline now: &quot;Just Jeep&quot;...</description>
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		<title>By: Rday</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 19:53:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One has to seriously question whether Cerberus has lost it. They have made bad investments [GMAC, Chrysler, etc] and have only been saved from further  losses by the courts deciding that the United Rental deal was not enforceable. Still cost Cerberus $100M to get out. They have other losers on their hands. Kinda makes you wonder if these guys are complete dolts. I don&#039;t think Cerberus has the will power or the talent to help Chrysler out of their problems. Look for some real firesales and more bad financial news over the next few quarters. Maybe someone will want to buy parts of Chrysler but don&#039;t bet on it. Cheaper to bid at bankruptcy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->One has to seriously question whether Cerberus has lost it. They have made bad investments [GMAC, Chrysler, etc] and have only been saved from further  losses by the courts deciding that the United Rental deal was not enforceable. Still cost Cerberus $100M to get out. They have other losers on their hands. Kinda makes you wonder if these guys are complete dolts. I don&#8217;t think Cerberus has the will power or the talent to help Chrysler out of their problems. Look for some real firesales and more bad financial news over the next few quarters. Maybe someone will want to buy parts of Chrysler but don&#8217;t bet on it. Cheaper to bid at bankruptcy.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: NickR</title>
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		<dc:creator>NickR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 15:09:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that Chrysler has that much to sell...or buyers for it.  Jeep could go to Magna...I know at the start of the SUV craze (aka the beginning of the end for the domestic automakers, though few people thought of it at the time) Magna even mooted the idea of building their own high end SUV.  And they do so much assembly for them already...

But Mopar performance doesn&#039;t offer anything unique.  There are dozens of companies offering aftermarket parts for vintage and current Chryslers, including blocks and crate engines.  They won&#039;t get much for this...not enough to make a difference.

Pity, but yes, I think this is &#039;the end&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->I agree that Chrysler has that much to sell&#8230;or buyers for it.  Jeep could go to Magna&#8230;I know at the start of the SUV craze (aka the beginning of the end for the domestic automakers, though few people thought of it at the time) Magna even mooted the idea of building their own high end SUV.  And they do so much assembly for them already&#8230;</p>
<p>But Mopar performance doesn&#8217;t offer anything unique.  There are dozens of companies offering aftermarket parts for vintage and current Chryslers, including blocks and crate engines.  They won&#8217;t get much for this&#8230;not enough to make a difference.</p>
<p>Pity, but yes, I think this is &#8216;the end&#8217;.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: jerry weber</title>
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		<dc:creator>jerry weber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 13:32:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps I left out the one huge fallacy of all these so called turn around plans. GM FORD &amp; Chrysler continue to assume that they are shooting at a stationary target. When they finally build that camry or accord killer honda and toyota simply aren&#039;t there any more. This has been the legacy of the last 30 years. It manifests itself in the half a loaf new domestic products. When the Ford 500 came out three years ago it was a modern body design fused together with the obsolete power plant and tranny of the old taurus. Three years later the &quot;right engine and tranny&quot; have reached the 500 now named the new taurus. However, the state of the art body is now old news and the 4000 pound weight too great for a non suv vehicle. Three years ago, the entire package might have sold, now it is old news and been passed by more modern products from the Japanese and Koreans. A similar story can be told of the new sebring. A crash effort is now on to get it right, but by that time the target is moved farther foreward by the familiar suspects. There can be no victory starting one lap behind at the start of every race.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Perhaps I left out the one huge fallacy of all these so called turn around plans. GM FORD &amp; Chrysler continue to assume that they are shooting at a stationary target. When they finally build that camry or accord killer honda and toyota simply aren&#8217;t there any more. This has been the legacy of the last 30 years. It manifests itself in the half a loaf new domestic products. When the Ford 500 came out three years ago it was a modern body design fused together with the obsolete power plant and tranny of the old taurus. Three years later the &#8220;right engine and tranny&#8221; have reached the 500 now named the new taurus. However, the state of the art body is now old news and the 4000 pound weight too great for a non suv vehicle. Three years ago, the entire package might have sold, now it is old news and been passed by more modern products from the Japanese and Koreans. A similar story can be told of the new sebring. A crash effort is now on to get it right, but by that time the target is moved farther foreward by the familiar suspects. There can be no victory starting one lap behind at the start of every race.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Samir Syed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Samir Syed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 06:43:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Chrysler 300: Our generation&#039;s Studebaker Avanti.</description>
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		<title>By: Acd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Acd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 04:42:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chrysler has not shown that they are capable of producing well designed cars and trucks that people want to buy.  Other than the 4 door Wrangler and the Chrysler 300, which vehicles in their line up are actually competitive? And even the 300 will have been on the market for five years pretty soon.  But does anyone believe that the current crop of Chrysler managers could get a replacement for the 300 designed and built that could live up to the current generation?  They spent hundreds of millions of dollars to develop the Avenger/Sebring and instead of making a competitive alternative to the Camry and Accord the built lousy driving rental cars with cheap plasticky interiors that had nothing to offer the consumer except a glove compartment that keeps drinks cool.  The people making the big decisions at Chrysler don&#039;t get it and now it looks like they&#039;re running out of time and money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Chrysler has not shown that they are capable of producing well designed cars and trucks that people want to buy.  Other than the 4 door Wrangler and the Chrysler 300, which vehicles in their line up are actually competitive? And even the 300 will have been on the market for five years pretty soon.  But does anyone believe that the current crop of Chrysler managers could get a replacement for the 300 designed and built that could live up to the current generation?  They spent hundreds of millions of dollars to develop the Avenger/Sebring and instead of making a competitive alternative to the Camry and Accord the built lousy driving rental cars with cheap plasticky interiors that had nothing to offer the consumer except a glove compartment that keeps drinks cool.  The people making the big decisions at Chrysler don&#8217;t get it and now it looks like they&#8217;re running out of time and money.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Banned User</title>
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		<dc:creator>Banned User</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 22:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The company that devours Jeep will, in turn be devoured.

That is an old story amongst Jeep fans.

Chryslers problem is their product is not competitive.  The Sebring, Compass, Commander?  What were they thinking?  The Wrangler, the 300 maybe some of the other Jeeps are up to standard and the and the rest of the lineup is rental market specials.</description>
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<p>That is an old story amongst Jeep fans.</p>
<p>Chryslers problem is their product is not competitive.  The Sebring, Compass, Commander?  What were they thinking?  The Wrangler, the 300 maybe some of the other Jeeps are up to standard and the and the rest of the lineup is rental market specials.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: NewCaledonia</title>
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		<dc:creator>NewCaledonia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 21:43:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Uncle Pete:
You forgot one of Jeep&#039;s owners --

Willys -&gt; KAISER -&gt; AMC -&gt; Renault -&gt; Chrysler -&gt; Daimler-Chrysler -&gt; Chryslerberus

Sure looks like a jinx, doesn&#039;t it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->@Uncle Pete:<br />
You forgot one of Jeep&#8217;s owners &#8211;</p>
<p>Willys -&gt; KAISER -&gt; AMC -&gt; Renault -&gt; Chrysler -&gt; Daimler-Chrysler -&gt; Chryslerberus</p>
<p>Sure looks like a jinx, doesn&#8217;t it?<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: rtz</title>
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		<dc:creator>rtz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 21:35:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will Cerberus turn a profit on this buy and sell operation?</description>
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		<title>By: franz</title>
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		<dc:creator>franz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 17:08:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jerry weber:
&lt;i&gt;The reasons tell us that Chrysler is racing and beating Ford and GM to the graveyard. &lt;/i&gt;

I like that...we can call it &quot;The Race to the Finished Line&quot;

Yep, as soon as the truth about Chrysler hits the general public in the face, the gig is up.  Who&#039;d want to buy an unsupported product when so many other alternatives are out there?  And, unfortunately, it seems that once one dam bursts, the ones downstream don&#039;t have much of a chance either.  Ford and GM will be under strong public scrutiny once Chrysler keels over.  Spin and politics are like bubble gum on the radiator hose.</description>
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<i>The reasons tell us that Chrysler is racing and beating Ford and GM to the graveyard. </i></p>
<p>I like that&#8230;we can call it &#8220;The Race to the Finished Line&#8221;</p>
<p>Yep, as soon as the truth about Chrysler hits the general public in the face, the gig is up.  Who&#8217;d want to buy an unsupported product when so many other alternatives are out there?  And, unfortunately, it seems that once one dam bursts, the ones downstream don&#8217;t have much of a chance either.  Ford and GM will be under strong public scrutiny once Chrysler keels over.  Spin and politics are like bubble gum on the radiator hose.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Pch101</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pch101</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 16:53:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suppose that there are two basic questions to address here: (a) What is Cerberus&#039; plan? and (b) Will it work?

One primary reason I believe that Cerberus will want to create this outsourcing-based model is because that sort of structure would fall very much in line with the way that private equity firms do business.    

PE firms aspire to achieve high returns for their investors.  They generally buy companies that have good potential but bad managers.  They exploit the brand equity of the company, replace the bad managers with good ones (many of whom are probably outsiders), cull the dead weight and try to make the organization more efficient.

One basic way to achieve efficiency is to reduce your business down to a few basics, and to focus on doing those few basics that create the most value.  The rest of it gets punted or outsourced (which, by the way, doesn&#039;t necessarily that it goes overseas, just that it is delegated to another company.)  In other words, instead of trying to do everything and doing it poorly, just do a couple of things, but do them very well so that the margins are good.

PE firms also try to do a lot with a little.  They look for OPM (Other People&#039;s Money) to help distribute the risk.  For a company this large, forming partnerships to put individual projects together makes a lot of sense, because the partner is geared up to do it, and can bring cash and expertise to the table to do it better and faster than you could without them.  This not only stretches scarce dollars further, but it also brings in useful resources that would not otherwise be available to you.

Because of this methodology, PE firms are very quick to outsource the low-value areas of the business.  My guess is that they Chrysler mostly as a brand-potential play, and that a lot of the infrastructure doesn&#039;t create much value was always targeted for outsourcing.  

Chrysler wasn&#039;t exactly known for technological innovation or brilliant design, and I seriously doubt that Cerberus bought the company with the idea that these were among Chrysler&#039;s strengths.  In financial terms, they cost money to support but don&#039;t create profit, so why keep them?  When viewed from a private equity standpoint, these have outsourcing written all over them.

The next question is whether it will work.  Personally, I doubt it.  In my opinion, the Big 2.8 have such dysfunctional corporate cultures that it will be difficult to turn Chrysler on a dime.  The product cycles are too long to reinvigorate the brands very quickly.  Finding these necessary venture partners will be difficult.  

And the backbone of their plan -- expanding into developing countries -- won&#039;t be a walk in the park because several of their competitors already have a head start.  This whole thing could suck up a lot of Cerberus&#039; cash, plus ten years or more to accomplish.  I doubt that they have the time, money, or stomach for something that will take that long.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->I suppose that there are two basic questions to address here: (a) What is Cerberus&#8217; plan? and (b) Will it work?</p>
<p>One primary reason I believe that Cerberus will want to create this outsourcing-based model is because that sort of structure would fall very much in line with the way that private equity firms do business.    </p>
<p>PE firms aspire to achieve high returns for their investors.  They generally buy companies that have good potential but bad managers.  They exploit the brand equity of the company, replace the bad managers with good ones (many of whom are probably outsiders), cull the dead weight and try to make the organization more efficient.</p>
<p>One basic way to achieve efficiency is to reduce your business down to a few basics, and to focus on doing those few basics that create the most value.  The rest of it gets punted or outsourced (which, by the way, doesn&#8217;t necessarily that it goes overseas, just that it is delegated to another company.)  In other words, instead of trying to do everything and doing it poorly, just do a couple of things, but do them very well so that the margins are good.</p>
<p>PE firms also try to do a lot with a little.  They look for OPM (Other People&#8217;s Money) to help distribute the risk.  For a company this large, forming partnerships to put individual projects together makes a lot of sense, because the partner is geared up to do it, and can bring cash and expertise to the table to do it better and faster than you could without them.  This not only stretches scarce dollars further, but it also brings in useful resources that would not otherwise be available to you.</p>
<p>Because of this methodology, PE firms are very quick to outsource the low-value areas of the business.  My guess is that they Chrysler mostly as a brand-potential play, and that a lot of the infrastructure doesn&#8217;t create much value was always targeted for outsourcing.  </p>
<p>Chrysler wasn&#8217;t exactly known for technological innovation or brilliant design, and I seriously doubt that Cerberus bought the company with the idea that these were among Chrysler&#8217;s strengths.  In financial terms, they cost money to support but don&#8217;t create profit, so why keep them?  When viewed from a private equity standpoint, these have outsourcing written all over them.</p>
<p>The next question is whether it will work.  Personally, I doubt it.  In my opinion, the Big 2.8 have such dysfunctional corporate cultures that it will be difficult to turn Chrysler on a dime.  The product cycles are too long to reinvigorate the brands very quickly.  Finding these necessary venture partners will be difficult.  </p>
<p>And the backbone of their plan &#8212; expanding into developing countries &#8212; won&#8217;t be a walk in the park because several of their competitors already have a head start.  This whole thing could suck up a lot of Cerberus&#8217; cash, plus ten years or more to accomplish.  I doubt that they have the time, money, or stomach for something that will take that long.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Lichtronamo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lichtronamo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 16:26:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carlos Ghosn is at the Gates of Hell (Cerberus&#039; front door) with his check book in hand ready to buy Dodge&#039;s RAM trucks for a 5 time improvement in sales over the Titan.</description>
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		<title>By: raast</title>
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		<dc:creator>raast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 13:32:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After digesting all this information in the articles and comments, if you are a consumer, exactly what would YOU buy from Chrysler right now?  Ever try to source parts for orphaned vehicles?  That warranty you had would be worth what exactly? (&quot;But I paid a firesale price for it&quot; wouldn&#039;t quite cut it).

Their only hope would be to have some outfit buy them up for the purpose of using their production facilities, and would such a corporation want to assume the exisiting liabilities such as warranties?  You could alienate a lot of people very quicky if you didn&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->After digesting all this information in the articles and comments, if you are a consumer, exactly what would YOU buy from Chrysler right now?  Ever try to source parts for orphaned vehicles?  That warranty you had would be worth what exactly? (&#8221;But I paid a firesale price for it&#8221; wouldn&#8217;t quite cut it).</p>
<p>Their only hope would be to have some outfit buy them up for the purpose of using their production facilities, and would such a corporation want to assume the exisiting liabilities such as warranties?  You could alienate a lot of people very quicky if you didn&#8217;t.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: jerry weber</title>
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		<dc:creator>jerry weber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 13:07:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We can list reason after reason why Chrysler will be the first of the old Big Three to go down. The reasons tell us that Chrysler is racing  and beating Ford and GM to the graveyard. In a Darwinian economic atmosphere the only question is will one of the old American car companies be enough to sacrifice? We have a simple imbalance too much production for a decling marketplace. I think the tipping point came when the Koreans muscled into the US market and became major players. Note, it wasn&#039;t the Japanese builders who felt the Korean pain, not it went to the weakest, the old Big Three. If the Chinese and Indians get here, probably only one of the original Big Three will survive. Given $4.00 gas, we have a perfect storm to sweep out the old and usher in an entire new World order in car builders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->We can list reason after reason why Chrysler will be the first of the old Big Three to go down. The reasons tell us that Chrysler is racing  and beating Ford and GM to the graveyard. In a Darwinian economic atmosphere the only question is will one of the old American car companies be enough to sacrifice? We have a simple imbalance too much production for a decling marketplace. I think the tipping point came when the Koreans muscled into the US market and became major players. Note, it wasn&#8217;t the Japanese builders who felt the Korean pain, not it went to the weakest, the old Big Three. If the Chinese and Indians get here, probably only one of the original Big Three will survive. Given $4.00 gas, we have a perfect storm to sweep out the old and usher in an entire new World order in car builders.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Andy D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 12:09:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jurisb,  Japan doesnt need military force.  It has enjoyed the protection of the US military for the past 62 yrs.</description>
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		<title>By: Dynamic88</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dynamic88</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 11:54:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I like Pch101’s idea about outsourcing. While Mr. Farago suggests that brand strength is a prerequisite for the K-Mart strategy, I would argue for the inverse, that strategic use of big-name design houses would bring plenty cache to Chrysler and Dodge. Call me a dreamer, but I’m thinking carbodies by Pininfarina, Giugiario, Karmann and Bertone; camheads by Cosworth and chassis by Lotus… $10 billion could buy a lot of design contracts!&quot;

Respectfully, I don&#039;t think outsourcing design will add much cache.   Only pistonheads know what Pininfarina, etc. are.   (Didn&#039;t Ghia do some designs for Chrysler in the &#039;50s? )   

The only advantage would be the designs might improve, and that would be worth something in itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->&#8220;I like Pch101’s idea about outsourcing. While Mr. Farago suggests that brand strength is a prerequisite for the K-Mart strategy, I would argue for the inverse, that strategic use of big-name design houses would bring plenty cache to Chrysler and Dodge. Call me a dreamer, but I’m thinking carbodies by Pininfarina, Giugiario, Karmann and Bertone; camheads by Cosworth and chassis by Lotus… $10 billion could buy a lot of design contracts!&#8221;</p>
<p>Respectfully, I don&#8217;t think outsourcing design will add much cache.   Only pistonheads know what Pininfarina, etc. are.   (Didn&#8217;t Ghia do some designs for Chrysler in the &#8217;50s? )   </p>
<p>The only advantage would be the designs might improve, and that would be worth something in itself.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Cammy Corrigan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cammy Corrigan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 08:44:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;ttilley : 
December 22nd, 2007 at 12:03 am 


Katie: I thought you were happy about Nardelli when he first arrived at Chrystler…&lt;/em&gt;

Huh? Where in my post did I say I changed my mind? I&#039;m still happy Mr Nardelli will cut out the deadwood. But if even he is saying &quot;My work is really cut out for me here!&quot; then, maybe we have to acknowledge, that Chrysler&#039;s survival is as likely as the Easter Bunny and Father Christmas.......?</description>
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December 22nd, 2007 at 12:03 am </p>
<p>Katie: I thought you were happy about Nardelli when he first arrived at Chrystler…</em></p>
<p>Huh? Where in my post did I say I changed my mind? I&#8217;m still happy Mr Nardelli will cut out the deadwood. But if even he is saying &#8220;My work is really cut out for me here!&#8221; then, maybe we have to acknowledge, that Chrysler&#8217;s survival is as likely as the Easter Bunny and Father Christmas&#8230;&#8230;.?<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: jurisb</title>
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		<dc:creator>jurisb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 08:31:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>EVERY SINGLE GODDAMNED  american car company has problems. Always the same= poor quality, poor diversity, obsoletness.
Every american car company would do anything just to avoid making good products themselves. Chrysler looks like a cheap hooker ready to sell themselves for a buck, instead of finding a real job and earning money.
Remember, i wrote about 6 phases of car company decline, of course, you didn`t notice that ,because I am nobody. So Chrysler is approaching phase5= selling imports under chrysler badge. ( phase5 was heavily using outsourcing and foreign platforms.)
But I don`t believe Chrysler`s turnaround plan. tHERE HAS NEVER EVER BEEN ANY SINGLE AMERICAN COMPANY IN MACHINERY OR EQUIPMENT BUSINESS, THAT WOULD HAVE DONE A STRONG-PRODUCT BASED TURNAROUND.
I guess your country has chosen a way already. A way to unsustainable debts, primitive manufacturing, service abundancy, dollar collapse, and health collapse whether your personal or healthcare as system.
&lt;strong&gt;WHen will you understand people, that your f-22 Raptor is nothing compared to the strenght of chinese and japanese credit lines that destroy all barriers of trade protectionism from USA part.&lt;/strong&gt;
One single toyota factory protects my country better, than 1000 Abrams tanks. ( who would dare to invade a country and stop production line of a japanese company?)
&lt;strong&gt;Make meaningful , complex items that the whole world needs, and doesn`t have substitute manufacturers from other countries, and believe me, you will NOT need an ARMY at all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!&lt;/strong&gt;
Go Ron! Sorry my bad:)))</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->EVERY SINGLE GODDAMNED  american car company has problems. Always the same= poor quality, poor diversity, obsoletness.<br />
Every american car company would do anything just to avoid making good products themselves. Chrysler looks like a cheap hooker ready to sell themselves for a buck, instead of finding a real job and earning money.<br />
Remember, i wrote about 6 phases of car company decline, of course, you didn`t notice that ,because I am nobody. So Chrysler is approaching phase5= selling imports under chrysler badge. ( phase5 was heavily using outsourcing and foreign platforms.)<br />
But I don`t believe Chrysler`s turnaround plan. tHERE HAS NEVER EVER BEEN ANY SINGLE AMERICAN COMPANY IN MACHINERY OR EQUIPMENT BUSINESS, THAT WOULD HAVE DONE A STRONG-PRODUCT BASED TURNAROUND.<br />
I guess your country has chosen a way already. A way to unsustainable debts, primitive manufacturing, service abundancy, dollar collapse, and health collapse whether your personal or healthcare as system.<br />
<strong>WHen will you understand people, that your f-22 Raptor is nothing compared to the strenght of chinese and japanese credit lines that destroy all barriers of trade protectionism from USA part.</strong><br />
One single toyota factory protects my country better, than 1000 Abrams tanks. ( who would dare to invade a country and stop production line of a japanese company?)<br />
<strong>Make meaningful , complex items that the whole world needs, and doesn`t have substitute manufacturers from other countries, and believe me, you will NOT need an ARMY at all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</strong><br />
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		<title>By: durailer</title>
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		<dc:creator>durailer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 05:35:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like Pch101&#039;s idea about outsourcing. While Mr. Farago suggests that brand strength is a prerequisite for the K-Mart strategy, I would argue for the inverse, that strategic use of big-name design houses would bring plenty cache to Chrysler and Dodge. Call me a dreamer, but I&#039;m thinking carbodies by Pininfarina, Giugiario, Karmann and Bertone; camheads by Cosworth and chassis by Lotus... $10 billion could buy a lot of design contracts!

People expect a bit of avant-garde design from Chrysler: think about the original minivans, cab-forward design in the nineties, the Prowler, the PT Cruiser, the Magnum, the 300... superficial or not, people buy them because they&#039;re distinctive. Bringing the world&#039;s best designers on board would solidify this reputation.

In the meantime, pumping out V8s for Nissan and minivans for VW definitely shows manufacturing flexibility and profitable use of surplus assembly-line capacity.

Boot&#039;em and strip&#039;n&#039;flip aside, Cerebrus is smart  enough to know that they can&#039;t cut their way to prosperity... their actions demonstrate that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->I like Pch101&#8217;s idea about outsourcing. While Mr. Farago suggests that brand strength is a prerequisite for the K-Mart strategy, I would argue for the inverse, that strategic use of big-name design houses would bring plenty cache to Chrysler and Dodge. Call me a dreamer, but I&#8217;m thinking carbodies by Pininfarina, Giugiario, Karmann and Bertone; camheads by Cosworth and chassis by Lotus&#8230; $10 billion could buy a lot of design contracts!</p>
<p>People expect a bit of avant-garde design from Chrysler: think about the original minivans, cab-forward design in the nineties, the Prowler, the PT Cruiser, the Magnum, the 300&#8230; superficial or not, people buy them because they&#8217;re distinctive. Bringing the world&#8217;s best designers on board would solidify this reputation.</p>
<p>In the meantime, pumping out V8s for Nissan and minivans for VW definitely shows manufacturing flexibility and profitable use of surplus assembly-line capacity.</p>
<p>Boot&#8217;em and strip&#8217;n'flip aside, Cerebrus is smart  enough to know that they can&#8217;t cut their way to prosperity&#8230; their actions demonstrate that.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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