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		<title>By: superbadd75</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/chrysler-suicide-watch-1-jump/comment-page-2/#comment-1512955</link>
		<dc:creator>superbadd75</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 13:56:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s rather creepy, looking back out how the whole Chrysler thing has played out since this was written in December &#039;06. It&#039;s no wonder it&#039;s on the front page as a top article. I wish I had been along with TTAC for the ride on both GM and Chrysler&#039;s death watches, as it&#039;s very interesting to see how it all came down.</description>
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		<title>By: commando1</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/chrysler-suicide-watch-1-jump/comment-page-2/#comment-1510206</link>
		<dc:creator>commando1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 14:55:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;&quot;Clearly, Chrysler needs to reduce production until dealer inventories return to manageable levels, and rethink their whole product portfolio. At the same time, the UAW must agree to some contract concessions. If Chrysler can’t cut costs and quickly make production changes– including temporarily shutting down entire assembly lines– they’ll keep driving the company and their union workers into inventory bloated oblivion. Despite recent “cut and run to China” moves, Chrysler’s long-term survival ultimately depends on unpicking this&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

I want your crystal ball so I can pick tomorrow&#039;s lottery number.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><em>&#8220;Clearly, Chrysler needs to reduce production until dealer inventories return to manageable levels, and rethink their whole product portfolio. At the same time, the UAW must agree to some contract concessions. If Chrysler can’t cut costs and quickly make production changes– including temporarily shutting down entire assembly lines– they’ll keep driving the company and their union workers into inventory bloated oblivion. Despite recent “cut and run to China” moves, Chrysler’s long-term survival ultimately depends on unpicking this&#8221;</em></p>
<p>I want your crystal ball so I can pick tomorrow&#8217;s lottery number.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Terry Parkhurst</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/chrysler-suicide-watch-1-jump/comment-page-2/#comment-23577</link>
		<dc:creator>Terry Parkhurst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 06:40:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is as sad as it gets. How can a company, whose vintage Hemi-powered F-body cars - Plymouth &#039;cudas and Dodge Challengers - bring up to $2 million at auction, become such as has been. Maybe it&#039;s the lack of personality. I went with a friend who simply wanted me to say I was a &quot;family friend&quot; (true in part, to him) not an auto journo, when we visited a Dodge store, so he could drive a Dodge Charger. The Charger was akin to a very fast taxi - four doors indeed. The worst thing about this is, of course, the loss of American jobs. But for we enthusiasts, it sounds as if we won&#039;t get to see a production version of the Challenger concept, supposedly on tap as a 2008 model.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->This is as sad as it gets. How can a company, whose vintage Hemi-powered F-body cars &#8211; Plymouth &#8216;cudas and Dodge Challengers &#8211; bring up to $2 million at auction, become such as has been. Maybe it&#8217;s the lack of personality. I went with a friend who simply wanted me to say I was a &#8220;family friend&#8221; (true in part, to him) not an auto journo, when we visited a Dodge store, so he could drive a Dodge Charger. The Charger was akin to a very fast taxi &#8211; four doors indeed. The worst thing about this is, of course, the loss of American jobs. But for we enthusiasts, it sounds as if we won&#8217;t get to see a production version of the Challenger concept, supposedly on tap as a 2008 model.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Glenn A.</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/chrysler-suicide-watch-1-jump/comment-page-2/#comment-23400</link>
		<dc:creator>Glenn A.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2006 15:52:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll defer to an auto writer on the subject of whether oil is infinite or finite.  

http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061201/FREE/61127019/1054/FREE</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->I&#8217;ll defer to an auto writer on the subject of whether oil is infinite or finite.  </p>
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		<title>By: Luther</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/chrysler-suicide-watch-1-jump/comment-page-2/#comment-23311</link>
		<dc:creator>Luther</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2006 02:49:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glenn A.

1. Oil is infinite. It is created by sun energy. Call it &quot;Liquid Sunshine&quot;. Oil can also be synthesized with enough energy.
2. CO2 is not &quot;bad&quot; for the environment. It is &quot;good&quot;.

In Fact what is &quot;bad&quot; for the environment is the O3 generated from the hybrid&#039;s electric motors.

More than 50 years after harnessing the energy of the atom, we are still oxidizing hydrocarbons for energy. It is quite primitive.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Glenn A.</p>
<p>1. Oil is infinite. It is created by sun energy. Call it &#8220;Liquid Sunshine&#8221;. Oil can also be synthesized with enough energy.<br />
2. CO2 is not &#8220;bad&#8221; for the environment. It is &#8220;good&#8221;.</p>
<p>In Fact what is &#8220;bad&#8221; for the environment is the O3 generated from the hybrid&#8217;s electric motors.</p>
<p>More than 50 years after harnessing the energy of the atom, we are still oxidizing hydrocarbons for energy. It is quite primitive.</p>
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		<title>By: SuperAROD</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/chrysler-suicide-watch-1-jump/comment-page-2/#comment-23267</link>
		<dc:creator>SuperAROD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Dec 2006 21:49:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eberhardt resigns:

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061205/NEWS99/61205024/1014/BUSINESS01</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Eberhardt resigns:</p>
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		<title>By: jerseydevil</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/chrysler-suicide-watch-1-jump/comment-page-2/#comment-23100</link>
		<dc:creator>jerseydevil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Dec 2006 01:02:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Luther:

&lt;em&gt;After you work your way to 400-level college physics you will realize that “running out of energy” is physically impossible&lt;/em&gt;

THATS funny</description>
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<p><em>After you work your way to 400-level college physics you will realize that “running out of energy” is physically impossible</em></p>
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		<title>By: Glenn A.</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/chrysler-suicide-watch-1-jump/comment-page-2/#comment-23035</link>
		<dc:creator>Glenn A.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Dec 2006 19:52:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Luther wrote:  &quot;After you work your way to 400-level college physics you will realize that “running out of energy” is physically impossible. You also start to realize that purchasing a Hummer H1 and flooring it down the autobahn is actually better for the environment than putting around in a Prius or Citroen Duck.&quot;

Sorry to be so &quot;ignorant&quot; Luther, but I think when people say &quot;we&#039;re running out of energy&quot; it is the short-form of saying &quot;we&#039;re running out of cheap oil on which our entire way of life is based.&quot;  

Some plain facts.  

The oil underground is NOT infinite.  Nobody in the oil industry even thinks this is the case.  

The Saudis are pumping increasing amounts of sea water down their wells in an attempt to get as much oil out as they can, from the biggest fields on earth, but they know it is going to end some day.  They even have a saying &quot;my father rode a camel, I fly a private jet, my son will ride a camel.&quot;  

As for your comment about Hummers on the autobahn being more environmentall friendly than putting around town in a Prius, I&#039;m presuming you were making some kind of joke.  

If you are referring to some B-S seen on the web stating how the &quot;lifetime footprint of a Hummer was less than a Prius&quot; then you&#039;ve been scammed.  It has been proved to have been totally biased AND false (the life-time of the Hummer being &quot;assumed&quot; to be way beyond that of the Prius, for example).  

There are lies, damn lies and statistics.  And, cooked figures (just ask the SEC about cooked GM books, for another example).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Luther wrote:  &#8220;After you work your way to 400-level college physics you will realize that “running out of energy” is physically impossible. You also start to realize that purchasing a Hummer H1 and flooring it down the autobahn is actually better for the environment than putting around in a Prius or Citroen Duck.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sorry to be so &#8220;ignorant&#8221; Luther, but I think when people say &#8220;we&#8217;re running out of energy&#8221; it is the short-form of saying &#8220;we&#8217;re running out of cheap oil on which our entire way of life is based.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Some plain facts.  </p>
<p>The oil underground is NOT infinite.  Nobody in the oil industry even thinks this is the case.  </p>
<p>The Saudis are pumping increasing amounts of sea water down their wells in an attempt to get as much oil out as they can, from the biggest fields on earth, but they know it is going to end some day.  They even have a saying &#8220;my father rode a camel, I fly a private jet, my son will ride a camel.&#8221;  </p>
<p>As for your comment about Hummers on the autobahn being more environmentall friendly than putting around town in a Prius, I&#8217;m presuming you were making some kind of joke.  </p>
<p>If you are referring to some B-S seen on the web stating how the &#8220;lifetime footprint of a Hummer was less than a Prius&#8221; then you&#8217;ve been scammed.  It has been proved to have been totally biased AND false (the life-time of the Hummer being &#8220;assumed&#8221; to be way beyond that of the Prius, for example).  </p>
<p>There are lies, damn lies and statistics.  And, cooked figures (just ask the SEC about cooked GM books, for another example).<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: nichjs</title>
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		<dc:creator>nichjs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Dec 2006 13:20:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HawaiiJim, Apologies for the OT comment, but I sold my (thirsty) caddy catera for a small deisel citycar.  I was new to diesels, and was downgrading from a  2.5l 177hp V6 to a 1.5l 65hp NON turbo deisel.  Since the torque is all at the fornt end, it doesn&#039;t feel slow at all!  It just depends what&#039;s more important to you - 0-60 times or economy.  They&#039;re inversely proportional.  I average 53mpg US driving round a UK city, and I can out accelerate most traffic if I&#039;m inclined to put pedal-to-metal.

Related point - And green et al recently broke the diesel speed record: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/staffordshire/5279268.stm The engine is based on the agricultural block.  Zippety-zip indeed!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->HawaiiJim, Apologies for the OT comment, but I sold my (thirsty) caddy catera for a small deisel citycar.  I was new to diesels, and was downgrading from a  2.5l 177hp V6 to a 1.5l 65hp NON turbo deisel.  Since the torque is all at the fornt end, it doesn&#8217;t feel slow at all!  It just depends what&#8217;s more important to you &#8211; 0-60 times or economy.  They&#8217;re inversely proportional.  I average 53mpg US driving round a UK city, and I can out accelerate most traffic if I&#8217;m inclined to put pedal-to-metal.</p>
<p>Related point &#8211; And green et al recently broke the diesel speed record: <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/staffordshire/5279268.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/staffordshire/5279268.stm</a> The engine is based on the agricultural block.  Zippety-zip indeed!<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: jkross22</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/chrysler-suicide-watch-1-jump/comment-page-2/#comment-22907</link>
		<dc:creator>jkross22</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Dec 2006 02:38:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sadly, I can&#039;t think of any appealing Chrysler products.  Contrast this with other makes in similar price categories (Honda, Toyota, Nissan), and you soon realize the problem is that neither GM, Ford or Chrysler turn out desirable cars consistently.  They don&#039;t have to make BMW&#039;s, but turning out crap is the main reason those companies are sinking ships.

There is no excuse for this.  Unfortunately, excuses seem to be the only things they&#039;re full of.... well, maybe they&#039;re full of a few other things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Sadly, I can&#8217;t think of any appealing Chrysler products.  Contrast this with other makes in similar price categories (Honda, Toyota, Nissan), and you soon realize the problem is that neither GM, Ford or Chrysler turn out desirable cars consistently.  They don&#8217;t have to make BMW&#8217;s, but turning out crap is the main reason those companies are sinking ships.</p>
<p>There is no excuse for this.  Unfortunately, excuses seem to be the only things they&#8217;re full of&#8230;. well, maybe they&#8217;re full of a few other things.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Luther</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/chrysler-suicide-watch-1-jump/comment-page-2/#comment-22830</link>
		<dc:creator>Luther</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Dec 2006 16:30:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Communism is just hay and a barn for herded cattle and actually obtaining the hay and barn are questionable. The only growth that occured in Communist Russia was Vodka and facial warts.

After you work your way to 400-level college physics you will realize that &quot;running out of energy&quot; is physically impossible. You also start to realize that purchasing a Hummer H1 and flooring it down the autobahn is actually better for the environment than putting around in a Prius or Citroen Duck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Communism is just hay and a barn for herded cattle and actually obtaining the hay and barn are questionable. The only growth that occured in Communist Russia was Vodka and facial warts.</p>
<p>After you work your way to 400-level college physics you will realize that &#8220;running out of energy&#8221; is physically impossible. You also start to realize that purchasing a Hummer H1 and flooring it down the autobahn is actually better for the environment than putting around in a Prius or Citroen Duck.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: windswords</title>
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		<dc:creator>windswords</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Dec 2006 15:47:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>aa2:
December 3rd, 2006 at 1:11 am

I’d rather live in communist Russia with electricity, a well built apartment...


They were not well built appartments during the communist era.  They were cheaply built and falling apart almost as soon as they were finished.  Big cracks from shifting foundations, etc.  

You should &lt;strong&gt;NEVER&lt;/strong&gt; trade personal freedom for economic or personal security.  At least in India they have a chance to develope a middle class and rise out of poverty, something they could never do in Soviet Russia.</description>
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December 3rd, 2006 at 1:11 am</p>
<p>I’d rather live in communist Russia with electricity, a well built apartment&#8230;</p>
<p>They were not well built appartments during the communist era.  They were cheaply built and falling apart almost as soon as they were finished.  Big cracks from shifting foundations, etc.  </p>
<p>You should <strong>NEVER</strong> trade personal freedom for economic or personal security.  At least in India they have a chance to develope a middle class and rise out of poverty, something they could never do in Soviet Russia.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: aa2</title>
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		<dc:creator>aa2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Dec 2006 05:11:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d rather live in communist Russia with electricity, a well built apartment, refridgerators, heaters, aquatic centers and so on..  Then in a village in India with no running water or basic health care.  Even though in India I would have good political representation.

Hopefully though we have more choices then that.  One of the greatest thinkers I&#039;ve seen is the guys who wrote the bottomless well, why we&#039;ll never run out of energy.  One of the guys who wrote that is a lawyer, and his bachelor&#039;s degree is in mechanical engineering.  Now there is a powerful combination!</description>
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<p>Hopefully though we have more choices then that.  One of the greatest thinkers I&#8217;ve seen is the guys who wrote the bottomless well, why we&#8217;ll never run out of energy.  One of the guys who wrote that is a lawyer, and his bachelor&#8217;s degree is in mechanical engineering.  Now there is a powerful combination!<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: jthorner</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/chrysler-suicide-watch-1-jump/comment-page-2/#comment-22725</link>
		<dc:creator>jthorner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Dec 2006 00:46:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I wouldn’t want engineers to dominate the U.S. government. Democracy is built upon the principle of citizen involvement and compromise among competing factions.&quot;

I wouldn&#039;t want a government dominated by engineers either.  However, I really don&#039;t enjoy having a government dominated by lawyers, which is what we have.   A balanced representation of the various professions would be great, but I don&#039;t see it happening.</description>
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<p>I wouldn&#8217;t want a government dominated by engineers either.  However, I really don&#8217;t enjoy having a government dominated by lawyers, which is what we have.   A balanced representation of the various professions would be great, but I don&#8217;t see it happening.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: jthorner</title>
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		<dc:creator>jthorner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Dec 2006 00:42:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Chilling for whom?&quot;

To anyone who cares about the wellbeing of the citizens and residents of the US.   Winning international competitions of various kinds is fun.   Loosing them is generally not fun at all on many levels.</description>
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<p>To anyone who cares about the wellbeing of the citizens and residents of the US.   Winning international competitions of various kinds is fun.   Loosing them is generally not fun at all on many levels.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Luther</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luther</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Dec 2006 22:10:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Democracy is built upon the principle of citizen involvement and compromise among competing factions.&lt;/em&gt;

AKA - Tribal Warfare.

&lt;em&gt;Chilling for whom?&lt;/em&gt;

People that place individual freedom, free markets, and property rights above all.

Wheres my Prozac.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><em>Democracy is built upon the principle of citizen involvement and compromise among competing factions.</em></p>
<p>AKA &#8211; Tribal Warfare.</p>
<p><em>Chilling for whom?</em></p>
<p>People that place individual freedom, free markets, and property rights above all.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven T.</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/chrysler-suicide-watch-1-jump/comment-page-2/#comment-22655</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Dec 2006 17:29:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jhorner, I think you are astute to point to how the professional backgrounds of a company&#039;s leadership can profoundly color its performance.  Detroit hasn&#039;t had enough car guys in key roles to develop truly competitive products.

Private companies are very different animals than governments.  I wouldn&#039;t want engineers to dominate the U.S. government.  Democracy is built upon the principle of citizen involvement and compromise among competing factions.  The engineers I&#039;ve worked with tend to be very impatient with political processes.</description>
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<p>Private companies are very different animals than governments.  I wouldn&#8217;t want engineers to dominate the U.S. government.  Democracy is built upon the principle of citizen involvement and compromise among competing factions.  The engineers I&#8217;ve worked with tend to be very impatient with political processes.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: HawaiiJim</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/chrysler-suicide-watch-1-jump/comment-page-2/#comment-22645</link>
		<dc:creator>HawaiiJim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Dec 2006 16:29:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jthorner:

Chilling for whom?</description>
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		<title>By: jthorner</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/chrysler-suicide-watch-1-jump/comment-page-2/#comment-22642</link>
		<dc:creator>jthorner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Dec 2006 16:13:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you want to really have something to think about, note that China&#039;s highest level political authority, the Central Committee, is made up almost entirely of people with engineering degrees.  I don&#039;t agree with China on human rights issues at all, but the turn about in China&#039;s economic system is dramatic.

For example, consider the short bio of Jiang Zemin, General Secretary of the CPC Central Committee:  &quot;Born on August 17, 1926, of an intellectual familyin Yangzhou, a culturally famous city in east China&#039;s Jiangsu Province,Jiang received his higher education in the prestigious Shanghai JiaotongUniversity and his major was electrical engineering.&quot;

http://www.people.com.cn/english/leaders/cpcdir/jprofile.html

China is being led primarily by engineers while the US is being led primarily by lawyers.  The long term implications are bone chilling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->If you want to really have something to think about, note that China&#8217;s highest level political authority, the Central Committee, is made up almost entirely of people with engineering degrees.  I don&#8217;t agree with China on human rights issues at all, but the turn about in China&#8217;s economic system is dramatic.</p>
<p>For example, consider the short bio of Jiang Zemin, General Secretary of the CPC Central Committee:  &#8220;Born on August 17, 1926, of an intellectual familyin Yangzhou, a culturally famous city in east China&#8217;s Jiangsu Province,Jiang received his higher education in the prestigious Shanghai JiaotongUniversity and his major was electrical engineering.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.people.com.cn/english/leaders/cpcdir/jprofile.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.people.com.cn/english/leaders/cpcdir/jprofile.html</a></p>
<p>China is being led primarily by engineers while the US is being led primarily by lawyers.  The long term implications are bone chilling.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: aa2</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/chrysler-suicide-watch-1-jump/comment-page-2/#comment-22606</link>
		<dc:creator>aa2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Dec 2006 11:53:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post jthorner..  These support guys have forgotten that they are support for the fundamental operation.  When you have a well engineered, catchy designed product your hire marketing people to inform potential customers of your option.  But the marketing people think they actually create the value through perception like Luther said.  

I also think the engineer managers at Honda must laugh at how stupid the management decisions at their NA competition are.  And I am a finance guy.  But I understand my role.. I invest peoples money for a good return.  If you look at the valuatiosn of the companies the finance guys are quite good at that.  Honda worth 80 billion, DCX worth 50, Ford and GM just under 20 each.  But managing part of an auto company I would not be a good choice.  Why choose me over a mechanical engineer for product design and purchasing management.. or an automation engineer for the manufacturing side?</description>
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<p>I also think the engineer managers at Honda must laugh at how stupid the management decisions at their NA competition are.  And I am a finance guy.  But I understand my role.. I invest peoples money for a good return.  If you look at the valuatiosn of the companies the finance guys are quite good at that.  Honda worth 80 billion, DCX worth 50, Ford and GM just under 20 each.  But managing part of an auto company I would not be a good choice.  Why choose me over a mechanical engineer for product design and purchasing management.. or an automation engineer for the manufacturing side?<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Luther</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luther</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Dec 2006 06:40:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>exactly jthorner:

In my position I have to deal with MBA hucksters all the time (I to am an EE). Sometimes I think retarded children are more aware of what is actually happening around them. If I hear the phrase &quot;Perception IS reality&quot; out of their mouths one more time I think Im going to smack um... Wheres my Prozac...

Maybe after the 2.5 chapter 11, 2.5 will rise from the ashes with a Soichiro Honda or Ferdinand Porsche at the helm.... Hahhhh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->exactly jthorner:</p>
<p>In my position I have to deal with MBA hucksters all the time (I to am an EE). Sometimes I think retarded children are more aware of what is actually happening around them. If I hear the phrase &#8220;Perception IS reality&#8221; out of their mouths one more time I think Im going to smack um&#8230; Wheres my Prozac&#8230;</p>
<p>Maybe after the 2.5 chapter 11, 2.5 will rise from the ashes with a Soichiro Honda or Ferdinand Porsche at the helm&#8230;. Hahhhh.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: HawaiiJim</title>
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		<dc:creator>HawaiiJim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Dec 2006 06:35:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>murphysamber:  No, I am not living in 1981.  I am living with the February 2006 issue of a respected national publication which puts the Jetta TDI (a 1.9 liter turbodiesel) at 12.2 seconds for the 0-60.  Also, sure, maybe some larger turbos are fast, but I don&#039;t like turbo lag.   Keep educating me though, as I am not a piston head.  I am an Accord-Civic-BMW325i-Subaru Forester kind of guy.  If I am wrong about diesels I will admit it.</description>
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		<title>By: Steve Green</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/chrysler-suicide-watch-1-jump/comment-page-2/#comment-22569</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Dec 2006 05:21:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frank,

I&#039;m sure your column contains several valid, well-put, and interesting points. However, last year I took a vow which prevents me from reading your Death Watch.

You see, whenever I read an automobile article and come across the phrase, &quot;The answer to a question no one asked,&quot; I am compelled to hit the back arrow button on my web browser.

I suggest you (and Mr. Farago) Google the offending phrase and take a quick scan of the results.  With luck, it will never return.

And with more luck, I&#039;ll never again suffer TTAC interreuptus.</description>
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<p>I&#8217;m sure your column contains several valid, well-put, and interesting points. However, last year I took a vow which prevents me from reading your Death Watch.</p>
<p>You see, whenever I read an automobile article and come across the phrase, &#8220;The answer to a question no one asked,&#8221; I am compelled to hit the back arrow button on my web browser.</p>
<p>I suggest you (and Mr. Farago) Google the offending phrase and take a quick scan of the results.  With luck, it will never return.</p>
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		<title>By: jthorner</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Dec 2006 01:53:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, is this the Service Economy we keep hearing about?  The one where everyone will get paid to be a financial engineer, lawyer and Master of Marketing?    These functions of a corporation need to be there to SUPPORT the fundamental effort, not to make the key decisions.   

The beginning of the end of American competitiveness seems to be highly coordinated with the rise of the MBA.   Once you put the finance and flim-flam people in charge, the end is brutal and certain.  Only the timeline is up for questioning.

The engineers running Honda and other great manufacturing companies must shake their heads about how easy it is to knock off these overpaid lightweights who &quot;run&quot; American manufacturing companies.

By way of disclosure, I hold a BSEE which was very hard to get.  The business school is where those who couldn&#039;t hack a difficult major went.   Check with your local university and compare the difficulty of real Calculus 101 with Calculus for Business Students.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Wow, is this the Service Economy we keep hearing about?  The one where everyone will get paid to be a financial engineer, lawyer and Master of Marketing?    These functions of a corporation need to be there to SUPPORT the fundamental effort, not to make the key decisions.   </p>
<p>The beginning of the end of American competitiveness seems to be highly coordinated with the rise of the MBA.   Once you put the finance and flim-flam people in charge, the end is brutal and certain.  Only the timeline is up for questioning.</p>
<p>The engineers running Honda and other great manufacturing companies must shake their heads about how easy it is to knock off these overpaid lightweights who &#8220;run&#8221; American manufacturing companies.</p>
<p>By way of disclosure, I hold a BSEE which was very hard to get.  The business school is where those who couldn&#8217;t hack a difficult major went.   Check with your local university and compare the difficulty of real Calculus 101 with Calculus for Business Students.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Luther</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luther</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Dec 2006 00:53:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It appears it is going to be a 3-horse race to the chapter 11 finish line. Any wagers on the Trifecta results?

I live a few miles from a huge autopark and even the Toyota back-lot is filling up. The Dodge dealers lot is not only overflowing into the street but is backing all the way to the main enterance road. When Toyota lots are filling you know 2.5 are in deep trouble.</description>
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<p>I live a few miles from a huge autopark and even the Toyota back-lot is filling up. The Dodge dealers lot is not only overflowing into the street but is backing all the way to the main enterance road. When Toyota lots are filling you know 2.5 are in deep trouble.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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