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	<title>Comments on: Chevy Camaro RS and SS. Production Ready?</title>
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		<title>By: fallout11</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/chevy-camaro-rs-and-ss-production-ready/comment-page-2/#comment-946141</link>
		<dc:creator>fallout11</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 12:53:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many of you guys clearly have no idea what you&#039;re talking about. As a design engineer, let me assure you that in any other industry this would be an absolute disgrace. This is a show product, meant to impress at first glance. Even pre-production prototype toasters are gone over with a fine tooth comb and QA out the whazoo. Future (often contract) sales are on the line.  In many cases display prototypes actually perform better than production models for this very reason. GM is no different, if it offers detritus rather than &#039;the best it has to offer&#039; as its showpiece, future sales are most definitely on the line.  This car wouldn&#039;t have been ready for a 1957 Motorama exhibit. 
Most SEMA attendees are not idiots, they&#039;ve seen what others have on offer presently and previously, and can spot a dog without any coaching. This car is and will be a dog, quality wise, if this is the best GM can do, it best stay on the porch.  Desperation to show &quot;something&quot; new is all I can think of for putting this car on display as-is. Instead, what it shows is that GM barely cares anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Many of you guys clearly have no idea what you&#8217;re talking about. As a design engineer, let me assure you that in any other industry this would be an absolute disgrace. This is a show product, meant to impress at first glance. Even pre-production prototype toasters are gone over with a fine tooth comb and QA out the whazoo. Future (often contract) sales are on the line.  In many cases display prototypes actually perform better than production models for this very reason. GM is no different, if it offers detritus rather than &#8216;the best it has to offer&#8217; as its showpiece, future sales are most definitely on the line.  This car wouldn&#8217;t have been ready for a 1957 Motorama exhibit.<br />
Most SEMA attendees are not idiots, they&#8217;ve seen what others have on offer presently and previously, and can spot a dog without any coaching. This car is and will be a dog, quality wise, if this is the best GM can do, it best stay on the porch.  Desperation to show &#8220;something&#8221; new is all I can think of for putting this car on display as-is. Instead, what it shows is that GM barely cares anymore.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Areitu</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/chevy-camaro-rs-and-ss-production-ready/comment-page-2/#comment-940521</link>
		<dc:creator>Areitu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 00:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve_S : Assuming GM can find the cash to make it that far.</description>
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		<title>By: Steve_S</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/chevy-camaro-rs-and-ss-production-ready/comment-page-2/#comment-936691</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve_S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 20:36:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Didn&#039;t read all the comments so sorry if this has been addressed.

These are &quot;Production Intent&quot; Camaros as in the design of what you see is what the production car will be but these are not final production cars. Non-saleable but final production cars will be at most autoshows by late Jan or early Feb.

Or you can just wait until the begining of March and see/touch and actual saleable production Camaro.</description>
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<p>These are &#8220;Production Intent&#8221; Camaros as in the design of what you see is what the production car will be but these are not final production cars. Non-saleable but final production cars will be at most autoshows by late Jan or early Feb.</p>
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		<title>By: rudiger</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/chevy-camaro-rs-and-ss-production-ready/comment-page-2/#comment-933012</link>
		<dc:creator>rudiger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 18:28:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Bridge2far: &lt;em&gt;&quot;Ridiculous nitpicking. Was every other vehicle at the SEMA show scrutinized like the Camaro? I doubt it.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;RTFF. This was specifically addressed by the author about 26 comments prior.</description>
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<blockquote>Bridge2far: <em>&#8220;Ridiculous nitpicking. Was every other vehicle at the SEMA show scrutinized like the Camaro? I doubt it.&#8221;</em></p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Bertel Schmitt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bertel Schmitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 07:35:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@sammy hagar: &lt;i&gt;I had a 318i that had terrible electrical issues; my father-in-law suggested that it was a “Freitag-feiertag Auto,” essentially meaning it was built under the influence of pils (company cantinas used to serve beer during lunch as late as the mid-90’s).&lt;/i&gt;

I recall a visit to the Audi plant In Ingolstadt in the late 70&#039;s. Not a tourist visit, this one was for real. This was in preparation of the upcoming Audi Quattro. After carelessly opening the door of a prototype and ripping the trim strip off while doing it, nobody less than Herr Treser himself ripped me a new orifice. Anyway, down in the factory, I noticed odd rings, and odd metal discs maybe 4 inches below the rings, both welded solid to equipment next to every worker&#039;s station on the line. I inquired, and was told: &quot;That&#039;s for beer bottles.&quot;  &quot;Beer on the job?&quot; &quot;This is Bavaria,&quot; I was told, &quot;things are different here, as you should well know.&quot; Being Bavarian, I nodded assent.

Now, no more booze on the job. But I could lead you to a certain Gasthaus or two, barely outside any German plant, that has rows and rows of freshly &quot;gezapftes&quot; Pils (or make that lager down in Bavaria) awaiting a thirsty clientele storming the establishment at lunch break. Have a few, back to work.

The &quot;Freitag-Feiertag&quot; car is known as &quot;Montags-Auto&quot; in Germany: Made with a huge hangover.</description>
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<p>I recall a visit to the Audi plant In Ingolstadt in the late 70&#8217;s. Not a tourist visit, this one was for real. This was in preparation of the upcoming Audi Quattro. After carelessly opening the door of a prototype and ripping the trim strip off while doing it, nobody less than Herr Treser himself ripped me a new orifice. Anyway, down in the factory, I noticed odd rings, and odd metal discs maybe 4 inches below the rings, both welded solid to equipment next to every worker&#8217;s station on the line. I inquired, and was told: &#8220;That&#8217;s for beer bottles.&#8221;  &#8220;Beer on the job?&#8221; &#8220;This is Bavaria,&#8221; I was told, &#8220;things are different here, as you should well know.&#8221; Being Bavarian, I nodded assent.</p>
<p>Now, no more booze on the job. But I could lead you to a certain Gasthaus or two, barely outside any German plant, that has rows and rows of freshly &#8220;gezapftes&#8221; Pils (or make that lager down in Bavaria) awaiting a thirsty clientele storming the establishment at lunch break. Have a few, back to work.</p>
<p>The &#8220;Freitag-Feiertag&#8221; car is known as &#8220;Montags-Auto&#8221; in Germany: Made with a huge hangover.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: tankd0g</title>
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		<dc:creator>tankd0g</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 04:21:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny, these could be pictures of the new Firebird I was all excited about when I was younger, dumber and a fan of Pontiac.</description>
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		<title>By: truthbetold37</title>
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		<dc:creator>truthbetold37</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 00:46:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This stuff is normal for pre-prod.  You should have seen the pre-prod H2s.</description>
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		<title>By: Facebook User</title>
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		<dc:creator>Facebook User</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 00:24:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ridiculous nitpicking. Was every other vehicle at the SEMA show scrutinized like the Camaro? I doubt it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Ridiculous nitpicking. Was every other vehicle at the SEMA show scrutinized like the Camaro? I doubt it.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Geotpf</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/chevy-camaro-rs-and-ss-production-ready/comment-page-1/#comment-932181</link>
		<dc:creator>Geotpf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 21:48:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I noticed a mistake in grammar in the spec sheet, as long as we are nitpicking.  They say &quot;maybe&quot; when they mean &quot;may be&quot;.</description>
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		<title>By: David Holzman</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Holzman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 20:16:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sad</description>
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		<title>By: TaurusGT500</title>
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		<dc:creator>TaurusGT500</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 19:55:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK..so I finally figured out I was looking at a SEMA car after reading 2/3 of the posts.

Is this a factory presented car direct from GM or one of their &quot;dollar cars&quot; they gave to an aftermarket show car builder to do an interpretation on?  

Whle I agree with most of the comments re. pre-prod units, for a major show they usually try and get the cars &quot;right&quot;.  

But - on the other hand - if this was a dollar car the builder proabably thrashed on it till the last minute (the joke is the paint is still wet on these cars as they roll them off the haulers) and the factory folks wouldn&#039;t have seen the finished product until it loaded in at Vegas at which point their options are somewhat limited.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->OK..so I finally figured out I was looking at a SEMA car after reading 2/3 of the posts.</p>
<p>Is this a factory presented car direct from GM or one of their &#8220;dollar cars&#8221; they gave to an aftermarket show car builder to do an interpretation on?  </p>
<p>Whle I agree with most of the comments re. pre-prod units, for a major show they usually try and get the cars &#8220;right&#8221;.  </p>
<p>But &#8211; on the other hand &#8211; if this was a dollar car the builder proabably thrashed on it till the last minute (the joke is the paint is still wet on these cars as they roll them off the haulers) and the factory folks wouldn&#8217;t have seen the finished product until it loaded in at Vegas at which point their options are somewhat limited.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 16:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;pre-production photography&quot; - excellent!  and touche&#039; for golf4me.   this editorial has to qualify for mountain/molehill award of the year.  the more important issue is that a once great American company has been mismanaged to death, and the word is finally getting out (kudos to RF for his early insight).  Even the guy on the street is going to question a GM purchase now that every cable news station is asking whether GM will go bankrupt or be put on government welfare.  i am personally more upset about ford, they are making a superhuman effort to correct their problems and it might not be in time, or they might fall into the sinkhole created largely by GM.  I hope Ford makes it, and btw i&#039;d like to see more recognition of Ford&#039;s efforts by the TTAC eds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->&#8220;pre-production photography&#8221; &#8211; excellent!  and touche&#8217; for golf4me.   this editorial has to qualify for mountain/molehill award of the year.  the more important issue is that a once great American company has been mismanaged to death, and the word is finally getting out (kudos to RF for his early insight).  Even the guy on the street is going to question a GM purchase now that every cable news station is asking whether GM will go bankrupt or be put on government welfare.  i am personally more upset about ford, they are making a superhuman effort to correct their problems and it might not be in time, or they might fall into the sinkhole created largely by GM.  I hope Ford makes it, and btw i&#8217;d like to see more recognition of Ford&#8217;s efforts by the TTAC eds.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: mikey</title>
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		<dc:creator>mikey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 16:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>golf4me Too much gap at the top.Toyota would let it go,but a Camaro,no way.</description>
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		<title>By: golf4me</title>
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		<dc:creator>golf4me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 15:56:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Farago, why do you let a guy who doesn&#039;t know a pilot production vehicle from a hot dog post on your otherwise excellent site? 

And why no descriptions on the pictures? Some are obvious, others not so much. What&#039;s wrong with the side marker? Maybe my screen is not big enough, or maybe it&#039;s the pre-production photography...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Farago, why do you let a guy who doesn&#8217;t know a pilot production vehicle from a hot dog post on your otherwise excellent site? </p>
<p>And why no descriptions on the pictures? Some are obvious, others not so much. What&#8217;s wrong with the side marker? Maybe my screen is not big enough, or maybe it&#8217;s the pre-production photography&#8230;<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Samir</title>
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		<dc:creator>Samir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 15:45:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;To those who say pre-production cars should be nowhere near the public’s eye, what do you have to say about all the latest concept cars, or new models displayed at auto shows? Should new vehicles not be shown to anyone until they suddenly show up on a car-carrier at the dealership? Totally absurd&lt;/em&gt;

You misconstrued my statement entirely. 

Pre-production cars that are not perfectly finished shouldn&#039;t be near the public eye. 

Showing off a concept is like going on a date. You can&#039;t show up with a ratty t-shirt and halitosis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><em>To those who say pre-production cars should be nowhere near the public’s eye, what do you have to say about all the latest concept cars, or new models displayed at auto shows? Should new vehicles not be shown to anyone until they suddenly show up on a car-carrier at the dealership? Totally absurd</em></p>
<p>You misconstrued my statement entirely. </p>
<p>Pre-production cars that are not perfectly finished shouldn&#8217;t be near the public eye. </p>
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		<title>By: Bertel Schmitt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bertel Schmitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 15:40:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@mikey: Those draft copies go on display at an annual convention and trade show called WEMA - Writer&#039;s Error Making Association - held every year in Webster, NY.</description>
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		<title>By: Jerome10</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerome10</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 15:37:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, gonna have to chime in as well.  Pre-production is exactly that.  In fact, it isn&#039;t uncommon that you can get to within a week of production, or slightly after start and you&#039;re still making little adjustments on things.  The fact this is still weeks or months from production means they&#039;re sill making a lot of adjustments.

And to say SEMA is about panel gaps and weather stripping = FAILURE....um, maybe I&#039;m the only one, but something tells me SEMA lovers don&#039;t give two craps about panel gaps.  When you&#039;ve got 24&quot; wheels, ridiculously stupid paint jobs, blue lights on everything, 800 LCD TVs inside, flames everywhere, fake fender vents, chrome everywhere, etc, I seriously doubt these people would ever care about a panel gap or a piece of rubber.  Do you see SEMA vendors selling their pimp-ass weather stripping or their panel-gap fillers?  Its all about flash (not the plastic kind) and looks.  So why the hate for GM putting what is overall an excellently styled car in pre-production form at the show??

If you had built something, and said it is a prototype, how would you react when everyone bagged your creation because it looked like scheisse?  These are minor little things on non-saleable, pre-production, still in development-phase cars.  Its the way it works in the auto industry (and nearly everywhere else too).  To those who say pre-production cars should be nowhere near the public&#039;s eye, what do you have to say about all the latest concept cars, or new models displayed at auto shows?  Should new vehicles not be shown to anyone until they suddenly show up on a car-carrier at the dealership?  Totally absurd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Sorry, gonna have to chime in as well.  Pre-production is exactly that.  In fact, it isn&#8217;t uncommon that you can get to within a week of production, or slightly after start and you&#8217;re still making little adjustments on things.  The fact this is still weeks or months from production means they&#8217;re sill making a lot of adjustments.</p>
<p>And to say SEMA is about panel gaps and weather stripping = FAILURE&#8230;.um, maybe I&#8217;m the only one, but something tells me SEMA lovers don&#8217;t give two craps about panel gaps.  When you&#8217;ve got 24&#8243; wheels, ridiculously stupid paint jobs, blue lights on everything, 800 LCD TVs inside, flames everywhere, fake fender vents, chrome everywhere, etc, I seriously doubt these people would ever care about a panel gap or a piece of rubber.  Do you see SEMA vendors selling their pimp-ass weather stripping or their panel-gap fillers?  Its all about flash (not the plastic kind) and looks.  So why the hate for GM putting what is overall an excellently styled car in pre-production form at the show??</p>
<p>If you had built something, and said it is a prototype, how would you react when everyone bagged your creation because it looked like scheisse?  These are minor little things on non-saleable, pre-production, still in development-phase cars.  Its the way it works in the auto industry (and nearly everywhere else too).  To those who say pre-production cars should be nowhere near the public&#8217;s eye, what do you have to say about all the latest concept cars, or new models displayed at auto shows?  Should new vehicles not be shown to anyone until they suddenly show up on a car-carrier at the dealership?  Totally absurd.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: shaker</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/chevy-camaro-rs-and-ss-production-ready/comment-page-1/#comment-931581</link>
		<dc:creator>shaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 15:36:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mikey: The Camaro&#039;s success (or lack thereof) will not be blamed on a lack of effort by workers like you who really believe in the car.

Any failure will rest squarely in the hands of GM management, who have made the position of the company so tenuous that buyers have lost faith in the GM brand itself, and even good efforts will be passed over in favor of &quot;safer&quot; choices.</description>
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<p>Any failure will rest squarely in the hands of GM management, who have made the position of the company so tenuous that buyers have lost faith in the GM brand itself, and even good efforts will be passed over in favor of &#8220;safer&#8221; choices.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Sammy Hagar</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/chevy-camaro-rs-and-ss-production-ready/comment-page-1/#comment-931552</link>
		<dc:creator>Sammy Hagar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 15:31:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Must’ve been built on a Friday. In Mexico.&quot;

I had a 318i that had terrible electrical issues;  my father-in-law suggested that it was a &quot;Freitag-feiertag Auto,&quot; essentially meaning it was built under the influence of pils (company cantinas used to serve beer during lunch as late as the mid-90&#039;s).  Alas, I found it easier (&amp; far cheaper) just to carry an assortment of fuses w/me at all times, rather than take it to the local BMW Autohaus (which, I&#039;m sure, also enjoyed lunchtime brews).

That said, if the world&#039;s best automobiles were being built w/a BOC of .08 or so, imagine what could have been done under complete sobriety.  Dare to dream...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->&#8220;Must’ve been built on a Friday. In Mexico.&#8221;</p>
<p>I had a 318i that had terrible electrical issues;  my father-in-law suggested that it was a &#8220;Freitag-feiertag Auto,&#8221; essentially meaning it was built under the influence of pils (company cantinas used to serve beer during lunch as late as the mid-90&#8217;s).  Alas, I found it easier (&amp; far cheaper) just to carry an assortment of fuses w/me at all times, rather than take it to the local BMW Autohaus (which, I&#8217;m sure, also enjoyed lunchtime brews).</p>
<p>That said, if the world&#8217;s best automobiles were being built w/a BOC of .08 or so, imagine what could have been done under complete sobriety.  Dare to dream&#8230;<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Robert Farago</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Farago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 15:17:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>S.O.P. does not equal A.O.K.</description>
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		<title>By: mikey</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/chevy-camaro-rs-and-ss-production-ready/comment-page-1/#comment-931482</link>
		<dc:creator>mikey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 15:04:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks ,spelling and grammer have never been my strong points.I quite often proof read 3 or 4 times I guess thats why I&#039;m not a profesional writer.

 I wonder do the pros ever throw out thier draft copys.It would be awfull if someone picked em them out of the trash and they made it on the net.</description>
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<p> I wonder do the pros ever throw out thier draft copys.It would be awfull if someone picked em them out of the trash and they made it on the net.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Durishin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Durishin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 14:48:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow!  I sure hope that, as Obama et al. push for open union votes, they realize that, while great for the news media, it will sure drive up the nation&#039;s health care costs!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Wow!  I sure hope that, as Obama et al. push for open union votes, they realize that, while great for the news media, it will sure drive up the nation&#8217;s health care costs!<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Bertel Schmitt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bertel Schmitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 14:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@mikey: Them&#039;s fightin&#039; words!  And btw. it&#039;s &lt;b&gt;colonoscopy&lt;/b&gt; when someone shoves a camera up yours ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->@mikey: Them&#8217;s fightin&#8217; words!  And btw. it&#8217;s <b>colonoscopy</b> when someone shoves a camera up yours &#8230;<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: mikey</title>
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		<dc:creator>mikey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 13:58:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok First off some of the posts here are not worth
a comment.So I will adhere to the TTAC rules and take a pass.

 Now for those here that do actually know something about car building,I will point a couple of things out.

   Not One as in none zero nada of any Camaro produced will ever see a buyer.We have the best team of the best that GMs got on this project.
 Every detail of every aspect of build quality is being scrutinized.As someone that has been involved in many vehicle launches I&#039;m shocked at the high quality of vehicles being scrapped.
 
 My good buddy is the best, bar none, metal finisher in the plant.The Camaro team sent his work back the other day.Body side for a car destined to be scrapped wasn&#039;t good enough!

  I&#039;m gonna retire at xmas and with regrets that I won&#039;t see the first saleable car.I can however drool over them at the dealers.Part of my retirement package includes a car voucher hmmmmm?
 
Something else needs to be said.
 Who ever shot those photos would be subject to instant dismissal.Course it would be even better if we could get our hands on him.He could be the first human to perform his own Colonoscpy with a cell phone camera.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Ok First off some of the posts here are not worth<br />
a comment.So I will adhere to the TTAC rules and take a pass.</p>
<p> Now for those here that do actually know something about car building,I will point a couple of things out.</p>
<p>   Not One as in none zero nada of any Camaro produced will ever see a buyer.We have the best team of the best that GMs got on this project.<br />
 Every detail of every aspect of build quality is being scrutinized.As someone that has been involved in many vehicle launches I&#8217;m shocked at the high quality of vehicles being scrapped.</p>
<p> My good buddy is the best, bar none, metal finisher in the plant.The Camaro team sent his work back the other day.Body side for a car destined to be scrapped wasn&#8217;t good enough!</p>
<p>  I&#8217;m gonna retire at xmas and with regrets that I won&#8217;t see the first saleable car.I can however drool over them at the dealers.Part of my retirement package includes a car voucher hmmmmm?</p>
<p>Something else needs to be said.<br />
 Who ever shot those photos would be subject to instant dismissal.Course it would be even better if we could get our hands on him.He could be the first human to perform his own Colonoscpy with a cell phone camera.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: rudiger</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/chevy-camaro-rs-and-ss-production-ready/comment-page-1/#comment-931401</link>
		<dc:creator>rudiger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 13:25:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Ingvar: &lt;em&gt;&quot;And they don’t give a shit…&quot;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;Which pretty much sums up GM&#039;s attitude (and reason for their current situation) all along. 

Even lurching from crisis to crisis over the years hasn&#039;t been enough to get them to change the same, ingrained corporate culture they&#039;ve had for decades. A sloppily assembled, pre-production new model just reinforces this sentiment.

Like I said, the &quot;eh, we&#039;ll fix it on the production version&quot; just doesn&#039;t cut it anymore when you don&#039;t see the same level of gaffes on competitors&#039; publicly displayed pre-production models.</description>
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<blockquote>Ingvar: <em>&#8220;And they don’t give a shit…&#8221;</em></p></blockquote>
<p>Which pretty much sums up GM&#8217;s attitude (and reason for their current situation) all along. </p>
<p>Even lurching from crisis to crisis over the years hasn&#8217;t been enough to get them to change the same, ingrained corporate culture they&#8217;ve had for decades. A sloppily assembled, pre-production new model just reinforces this sentiment.</p>
<p>Like I said, the &#8220;eh, we&#8217;ll fix it on the production version&#8221; just doesn&#8217;t cut it anymore when you don&#8217;t see the same level of gaffes on competitors&#8217; publicly displayed pre-production models.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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