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	<title>Comments on: Canada: Edmonton Photo Radar Trial Underway</title>
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		<title>By: JuniorMint</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/canada-edmonton-photo-radar-trial-underway/comment-page-1/#comment-829842</link>
		<dc:creator>JuniorMint</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 17:13:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;14 years&lt;/em&gt; for greasing the wheels for your favorite company?  LORD-y!

That seems a bit harsh, especially since that&#039;s business as usual here in the Windy City.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><em>14 years</em> for greasing the wheels for your favorite company?  LORD-y!</p>
<p>That seems a bit harsh, especially since that&#8217;s business as usual here in the Windy City.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: John B</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/canada-edmonton-photo-radar-trial-underway/comment-page-1/#comment-829361</link>
		<dc:creator>John B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 15:37:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>psarhjinian:

repeat after me - photo radar is all about money!!

The following letter appeared in the Toronto Star July, 3, 2007 (I copied and saved it - it was that good).  I&#039;ve printed it out in full below:

&lt;em&gt;&quot;When photo radar was introduced by the Ontario government in 1994, the radar vans were only placed on highways exclusively within my area of command as a chief superintendent with the Ontario Provincial Police. However, I had no authority to direct how they would actually be utilized.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;&quot;Brochures distributed by the OPP and the government suggested photo radar would only be used in high-collision areas. In fact, it was placed in areas with no collision experience. We all know these &quot;fishing holes,&quot; and this led me to lodge two internal complaints about the cash grab. Nothing changed.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;&quot;Yes, excessive speed contributes to the severity of collisions. Yet most often there are other factors involved, such as dangerous, aggressive driving, racing, following too closely, and cutting in and out of traffic. As police officers, we do the public a disservice by intensifying our dependency on radar and speeding offences, rather than trying to find other aggressive drivers. But radar is easy to do and makes it easy to secure a conviction.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;&quot;The dilemma government faces is simple: Once it approves the use of photo radar, it has no say in how the police will use it, and every police service needs money. The Rae government failed to realize this, and many motorists were dissatisfied with how it was being used.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;&quot;There can be a role for photo radar, provided the police are carefully regulated in how it is used. I prefer to live in an Ontario where police practise the spirit of the law rather than simply the letter of the law. There are times when motorists travelling at 112 km/h on Highway 401 are doing the right thing. Photo radar may not see it that way.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;
 
&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Bill Closs, Chief of Police, Kingston, Ont.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->psarhjinian:</p>
<p>repeat after me &#8211; photo radar is all about money!!</p>
<p>The following letter appeared in the Toronto Star July, 3, 2007 (I copied and saved it &#8211; it was that good).  I&#8217;ve printed it out in full below:</p>
<p><em>&#8220;When photo radar was introduced by the Ontario government in 1994, the radar vans were only placed on highways exclusively within my area of command as a chief superintendent with the Ontario Provincial Police. However, I had no authority to direct how they would actually be utilized.&#8221;</em></p>
<p><em>&#8220;Brochures distributed by the OPP and the government suggested photo radar would only be used in high-collision areas. In fact, it was placed in areas with no collision experience. We all know these &#8220;fishing holes,&#8221; and this led me to lodge two internal complaints about the cash grab. Nothing changed.&#8221;</em></p>
<p><em>&#8220;Yes, excessive speed contributes to the severity of collisions. Yet most often there are other factors involved, such as dangerous, aggressive driving, racing, following too closely, and cutting in and out of traffic. As police officers, we do the public a disservice by intensifying our dependency on radar and speeding offences, rather than trying to find other aggressive drivers. But radar is easy to do and makes it easy to secure a conviction.&#8221;</em></p>
<p><em>&#8220;The dilemma government faces is simple: Once it approves the use of photo radar, it has no say in how the police will use it, and every police service needs money. The Rae government failed to realize this, and many motorists were dissatisfied with how it was being used.&#8221;</em></p>
<p><em>&#8220;There can be a role for photo radar, provided the police are carefully regulated in how it is used. I prefer to live in an Ontario where police practise the spirit of the law rather than simply the letter of the law. There are times when motorists travelling at 112 km/h on Highway 401 are doing the right thing. Photo radar may not see it that way.&#8221;</em></p>
<p><em><strong>Bill Closs, Chief of Police, Kingston, Ont.</strong></em><!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/canada-edmonton-photo-radar-trial-underway/comment-page-1/#comment-829312</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 15:14:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A few are very rich from oil - the rest of us just got a hefty boost in our cost of living. The cold isn&#039;t so bad in the southern half of the province. Chinooks are a great thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->A few are very rich from oil &#8211; the rest of us just got a hefty boost in our cost of living. The cold isn&#8217;t so bad in the southern half of the province. Chinooks are a great thing.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: brettc</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/canada-edmonton-photo-radar-trial-underway/comment-page-1/#comment-829282</link>
		<dc:creator>brettc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 14:59:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But everyone in Alberta is rich from the oil sands, right? I&#039;ve thought about moving to Alberta, but it&#039;s nothing I&#039;m too interested in after what I&#039;ve read. Plus I don&#039;t like the extreme cold, Southern Maine is cold enough for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->But everyone in Alberta is rich from the oil sands, right? I&#8217;ve thought about moving to Alberta, but it&#8217;s nothing I&#8217;m too interested in after what I&#8217;ve read. Plus I don&#8217;t like the extreme cold, Southern Maine is cold enough for me.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: psarhjinian</title>
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		<dc:creator>psarhjinian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 14:57:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to say that, when it had been in place in Ontatio, it did address the speed &lt;i&gt;differential&lt;/i&gt; that causes accidents.  The twits that go 140+, weaving through highway traffic, were curtailed.  More or less, everyone went the same speed, which was good.

At that speed, among not-so-skilled drivers who would slam on the brakes if someone cut them off or cut in front of them with inches to spare, keeping things calm was appreciated.  Of course, I was driving a Toyota Van at the time, so I valued predictable traffic because that vehicle was wholly unsuited to avoidance maneuvers.  

Now, that said, the process behind it&#039;s implementation in Alberta has been dirty.  The technology is sound, if it&#039;s implemented well, but it should never, ever be incentivized.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->I have to say that, when it had been in place in Ontatio, it did address the speed <i>differential</i> that causes accidents.  The twits that go 140+, weaving through highway traffic, were curtailed.  More or less, everyone went the same speed, which was good.</p>
<p>At that speed, among not-so-skilled drivers who would slam on the brakes if someone cut them off or cut in front of them with inches to spare, keeping things calm was appreciated.  Of course, I was driving a Toyota Van at the time, so I valued predictable traffic because that vehicle was wholly unsuited to avoidance maneuvers.  </p>
<p>Now, that said, the process behind it&#8217;s implementation in Alberta has been dirty.  The technology is sound, if it&#8217;s implemented well, but it should never, ever be incentivized.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/canada-edmonton-photo-radar-trial-underway/comment-page-1/#comment-829232</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 14:38:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in Alberta the the cities have gone crazy with photo radar - they have old pickups pretending to have broken down with radar in the back. In Lethbridge they have a garbage can that hides a radar gun. From what I&#039;ve heard we are the one of most fined per population in North America.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->I live in Alberta the the cities have gone crazy with photo radar &#8211; they have old pickups pretending to have broken down with radar in the back. In Lethbridge they have a garbage can that hides a radar gun. From what I&#8217;ve heard we are the one of most fined per population in North America.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: AllStingNoBling</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/canada-edmonton-photo-radar-trial-underway/comment-page-1/#comment-829132</link>
		<dc:creator>AllStingNoBling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 13:54:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope they smoke his ass.</description>
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		<title>By: AJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>AJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 13:37:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s all about money (not public safety).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->It&#8217;s all about money (not public safety).<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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