If Brazil can figure it out, why the hell can’t an advanced country like the US?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8p-9t7E-Zs

…what I want to do is yell at the morons, “STOP BREAKING THE LAW!”. Unenforced (and unenforceable) laws dilute the power and meaning of the law. If you don’t like it, fine, change it. But don’t piss and moan because you got caught breaking the freaking law.

Many of the red light camera violations are not failure to stop, but for stopping past the white line, where you can see cross traffic, before making a right turn on red. Former city council member Paul Ford of Duncanville, TX reports that 85% of the red light camera tickets in Duncanville are for stopping past the line when making a right turn on red.

http://www.paulfordreports.com/4701.html

Rolling stops are very common and as mentioned are not a significant safety problem.

$446 is a HARDSHIP for low income people. Apparently, many low income people don’t pay their tickets and end up being arrested at some point. This isn’t a good way to use police and the courts etc.

No, I’d yell “STOP ELECTING MORONS!” This is a government of/by/for the people (at least on a local level). If they have excessive fines for silly infractions it’s because the people they elected decided that was a good idea.

Sure, I’ll rise to your completely infeasible bait with an equally meaningful response. If it could be done efficiently and everybody was held to the same level of accountability then go for t. Look, I like traffic laws. They build a framework with which to judge driving as safe and unsafe. I like consequences for breaking laws. They are the execution of the law and work to keep it safe. It makes the law stronger and help keep order.

People are focusing on the wrong aspect of the situation. It’s not the consequences that people should hate, it’s the law and the people that created it.

What if the fine was $500,000. Would you yell “stop breaking the law!” at people who complained?

Maybe the government should assign someone to sit in your driver’s seat and yell “stop breaking the law”, while issuing you a $1K ticket every time you exceed the speed limit.

Twotone

Geographic terms are intriguing. Here in Michigan a lot of major intersections have no left turn allowed. They’re often on boulevarded roads and you have to go past the street where you want to turn and make a U turn and then a right to complete an topgraphic left turn. I’ve heard folks use the phrase “Michigan turnaround” or “Michigan left” to describe the maneuver.

I’ve noticed that some communities in Oakland County are replacing intersections with rotaries. While they may save fuel, rotaries are very dangerous for pedestrians and bicyclists.

And I agree that red light cameras don’t improve the death toll of intersections.

I’ll even agree that “california stops” (of which I’m a more than occasional practitioner) aren’t a real problem. Hell, they are energy saving.

That said, what I want to do is yell at the morons, “STOP BREAKING THE LAW!”. Unenforced (and unenforceable) laws dilute the power and meaning of the law. If you don’t like it, fine, change it. But don’t piss and moan because you got caught breaking the freaking law.

Only in California, complete disregard for saftey for themself and the safety of others.

“Complete disregard?” What hyperbole. I sincerely doubt that all of them just turn right without even looking and caring if they get in an accident. Anyone who has actually driven knows that there are plenty of intersections where it is perfectly safe to slow down to a very slow speed, look left, and turn. “Only in California” is a joke too.

They should replace all stop sign in Corona with “Yield” signs, if that is the way they drive.

People on the other side of the intersection wouldn’t be able to see the Yield signs. If you think replacing with Yield signs would be safe, then the current behavior is safe. So your objection is not about safety, but about following a nigh-useless sign choice and law.

They should replace all stop sign in Corona with “Yield” signs, if that is the way they drive.