BYD Likes the Car Thing, Wants to Unseat Toyota

Edward Niedermeyer
by Edward Niedermeyer

“It’s our company’s long-term target, to be China’s No. 1 automaker by 2015 and to be the world’s leading car maker by 2025,” Build Your Dream’s marketing reps tell the AP. Ready for a reality check? BYD sold only 400k units last year, almost all of them in China. In fact, just a few years ago BYD wasn’t an automaker at all, but a battery supplier to laptop and cell phone companies. Several years and a big investment from Warren Buffet later, BYD is getting all kinds of cocky.

Analysts claim that BYD’s goal of beating Toyota by 2025 is “realistic” because China and other Asian markets show more promise for growth than the relatively mature US and European markets. Still, BYD’s a long way from even dominating the Chinese market. GM sold 814,442 units in the first half of 2009, followed by Volkswagen which moved 652,436 vehicles. BYD sold only 246,881 in the first three quarters of this year.

Breaking into the US and Europe seems to be an even tougher nut to crack. Chinese vehicles face the mother of all “perception gaps,” thanks to China’s reputation as a source of cheap, low-quality goods. Although BYD’s battery and hybrid drivetrain technology appear to be world class (after all, BYD’s F3DM is the world’s first plug-in hybrid), it takes more than a slick drivetrain to satisfy picky consumers in mature car markets. Oh yeah, and the BYD system has yet to be independently tested by western auto journalists.

BYD’s recent announcement of a forthcoming EV MPV illustrates a number of the challenges facing the firm as it builds towards its goal of 10m global sales by 2025. That vehicle will probably cost $40K by the time it arrives, suggesting that potential quality issues could become problems of brand-aborting stature. As one analyst puts it, the first wave of BYDs are “all about advertising and brand building.”

The implication is that initial volume and pricing don’t matter. BYD needs to “just let the world know you are the world leaders and then see what happens,” according to the same analyst. But that’s not a strategy, it’s pure hubris. Just ask GM how that strategy has worked out.

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  • Anonymous Anonymous on Sep 19, 2009

    "wsn : September 18th, 2009 at 4:58 pm B10er, I am just against double standards. No matter how you spin it, the Porsche logo and the Ferrari logo are just too visually close." What in the world are you talking about???? In my very long life as an auto enthusiast, and having seen 1,000 Porsches and 1,000 Ferraris, I NEVER, EVER, Not even ONCE, not even REMOTELY, confused the one with the other, regardless of how many similarities you were able to find in the two logos (this reminded me of these kid's games where they are shown two identical pics and are told to find the six differences. In this case, you got two totally different logos and found... the 6 similarities! Good Job!) HOWEVER, I WAS indeed DUPED when I, as I said, "Speed-read" (or "SPeed-saw" the BMW'ish BYD logo, the similarities were way too obvious. Again, BYD itself proves my point, since they hastily changed the logo, afraid of BMW retaliation and lawuits where BYD would lose BIG TIME..

  • BuzzDog BuzzDog on Sep 19, 2009

    Autosavant +1 Let me put it this way: I've had both Porsches and BMWs in my household at one time, so I'd like to think I'm somewhat familiar with the appearance of both. At a quick glance, I've never have been "duped" into mistaking the Ferrari logo for that of Porsche. Can't say the same for BYD/BMW. Your mileage may vary, but I don't think my cognitive abilities are all that unique. Besides, you hear immediate - and loud - outrage, even from non-enthusiasts, over the BYD/BMW similarities...care to explain why you never seem to hear the same over the "similarities" between the logos of Porsche and Ferrari?

  • Theflyersfan OK, I'm going to stretch the words "positive change" to the breaking point here, but there might be some positive change going on with the beaver grille here. This picture was at Car and Driver. You'll notice that the grille now dives into a larger lower air intake instead of really standing out in a sea of plastic. In darker colors like this blue, it somewhat conceals the absolute obscene amount of real estate this unneeded monstrosity of a failed styling attempt takes up. The Euro front plate might be hiding some sins as well. You be the judge.
  • Theflyersfan I know given the body style they'll sell dozens, but for those of us who grew up wanting a nice Prelude Si with 4WS but our student budgets said no way, it'd be interesting to see if Honda can persuade GenX-ers to open their wallets for one. Civic Type-R powertrain in a coupe body style? Mild hybrid if they have to? The holy grail will still be if Honda gives the ultimate middle finger towards all things EV and hybrid, hides a few engineers in the basement away from spy cameras and leaks, comes up with a limited run of 9,000 rpm engines and gives us the last gasp of the S2000 once again. A send off to remind us of when once they screamed before everything sounds like a whirring appliance.
  • Jeff Nice concept car. One can only dream.
  • Funky D The problem is not exclusively the cost of the vehicle. The problem is that there are too few use cases for BEVs that couldn't be done by a plug-in hybrid, with the latter having the ability to do long-range trips without requiring lengthy recharging and being better able to function in really cold climates.In our particular case, a plug-in hybrid would run in all electric mode for the vast majority of the miles we would drive on a regular basis. It would also charge faster and the battery replacement should be less expensive than its BEV counterpart.So the answer for me is a polite, but firm NO.
  • 3SpeedAutomatic 2012 Ford Escape V6 FWD at 147k miles:Just went thru a heavy maintenance cycle: full brake job with rotors and drums, replace top & bottom radiator hoses, radiator flush, transmission flush, replace valve cover gaskets (still leaks oil, but not as bad as before), & fan belt. Also, #4 fuel injector locked up. About $4.5k spread over 19 months. Sole means of transportation, so don't mind spending the money for reliability. Was going to replace prior to the above maintenance cycle, but COVID screwed up the market ( $4k markup over sticker including $400 for nitrogen in the tires), so bit the bullet. Now serious about replacing, but waiting for used and/or new car prices to fall a bit more. Have my eye on a particular SUV. Last I checked, had a $2.5k discount with great interest rate (better than my CU) for financing. Will keep on driving Escape as long as A/C works. 🚗🚗🚗
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