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		<title>By: EJ_San_Fran</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/by-the-numbers-no-valentines-this-february/comment-page-1/#comment-223852</link>
		<dc:creator>EJ_San_Fran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 20:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GM clearly has a big problem: the honeymoon with the GMT-900 platform is over. There is no other big profit maker for them.

Toyota also has a big problem: importing 1M vehicles is no longer fun with a crashing dollar. They need to raise prices on imported small vehicles and should probably start manufacturing the Prius in the US.</description>
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<p>Toyota also has a big problem: importing 1M vehicles is no longer fun with a crashing dollar. They need to raise prices on imported small vehicles and should probably start manufacturing the Prius in the US.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: jthorner</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/by-the-numbers-no-valentines-this-february/comment-page-1/#comment-221822</link>
		<dc:creator>jthorner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:17:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The newly-renlarged Honda Accord isn&#039;t doing so well. Sales are down nine percent for the month and eight percent for the year.&quot;

Yep, Honda blew it.  The new Accord has worse fuel efficiency than the old one. The prior Accord is a very comfortable car for four full sized adults to travel in, making it bigger was dumb, and the new styling is just weird.

Honda fell into the Super Size Me trap which has engulfed so much of the auto industry.

That and the competition for Accord is improving.  Camry, Altima, Fusion, Malibu and Aura are all worthwhile competitors now.

As far as trucks, we are on trend for trucks to return to the 20-25% of the US light vehicle market they held for over 50 years.  The marketing driven craze for big SUVs and pickup trucks has run it&#039;s course just like every fad does.   As fuel prices keep climbing the sales of those big dogs is going to fall even more.  In fact, sales of trucks could end up under the long term average for quite some time as the used vehicle market is flooded with trade-ins of lightly used trucks.  Farmers and contractors rejoice.  

Now, where is the modern equivalent of a 1972 Toyota Hilux?  You know, a rugged little truck you can buy for the price of a stripped Corolla, take care of work with and get 30 mpg doing it with the 4 cylinder engine and 5 speed manual transmission?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->&#8220;The newly-renlarged Honda Accord isn&#8217;t doing so well. Sales are down nine percent for the month and eight percent for the year.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yep, Honda blew it.  The new Accord has worse fuel efficiency than the old one. The prior Accord is a very comfortable car for four full sized adults to travel in, making it bigger was dumb, and the new styling is just weird.</p>
<p>Honda fell into the Super Size Me trap which has engulfed so much of the auto industry.</p>
<p>That and the competition for Accord is improving.  Camry, Altima, Fusion, Malibu and Aura are all worthwhile competitors now.</p>
<p>As far as trucks, we are on trend for trucks to return to the 20-25% of the US light vehicle market they held for over 50 years.  The marketing driven craze for big SUVs and pickup trucks has run it&#8217;s course just like every fad does.   As fuel prices keep climbing the sales of those big dogs is going to fall even more.  In fact, sales of trucks could end up under the long term average for quite some time as the used vehicle market is flooded with trade-ins of lightly used trucks.  Farmers and contractors rejoice.  </p>
<p>Now, where is the modern equivalent of a 1972 Toyota Hilux?  You know, a rugged little truck you can buy for the price of a stripped Corolla, take care of work with and get 30 mpg doing it with the 4 cylinder engine and 5 speed manual transmission?<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: KixStart</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/by-the-numbers-no-valentines-this-february/comment-page-1/#comment-220012</link>
		<dc:creator>KixStart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 22:01:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nosubstitute, coupdetat, carshark, Perhaps the CUV vs Yukaburbahoe decision is a combination of reality check, likely better fuel economy plus lower purchase price?  The Acadia stickers for $5K less.  If the Acadia seats enough and you don&#039;t ever actually trailer so much as to require the bigger vehicle, why pay more?</description>
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		<title>By: Johnster</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/by-the-numbers-no-valentines-this-february/comment-page-1/#comment-219682</link>
		<dc:creator>Johnster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:28:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the Denver area I&#039;m seeing a fairly good number of new Accords, more than the new Malibu.  All things considered I don&#039;t really see that many Ford Fusion/Mercury Milan/Lincoln Zephyr/MKZs, even though they&#039;ve been around for like 3 years.  Maybe it&#039;s regional and they haven&#039;t caught on around here.  Or maybe they just blend into the background and I don&#039;t notice them.</description>
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		<title>By: Strippo</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/by-the-numbers-no-valentines-this-february/comment-page-1/#comment-218132</link>
		<dc:creator>Strippo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:43:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Remember chrysler’s original minivan was a four banger with a lot smaller dimensions then now. Further mazda a has similar vehicles caled an M5 which is a small minivan with a four popper.&lt;/em&gt;

Speaking of which, Mazda5 sales are up 29% for the month and year to date. Of course, the numbers are tiny in the grand scheme of things, but the 5 is like the opposite of the canary in the coal mine. It was not engineered for traditional American tastes and sales have reflected that. And yet sales are picking up. It&#039;s a potential trend to keep an eye on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><em>Remember chrysler’s original minivan was a four banger with a lot smaller dimensions then now. Further mazda a has similar vehicles caled an M5 which is a small minivan with a four popper.</em></p>
<p>Speaking of which, Mazda5 sales are up 29% for the month and year to date. Of course, the numbers are tiny in the grand scheme of things, but the 5 is like the opposite of the canary in the coal mine. It was not engineered for traditional American tastes and sales have reflected that. And yet sales are picking up. It&#8217;s a potential trend to keep an eye on.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: menno</title>
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		<dc:creator>menno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:10:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Up where I live (a northern US town known for high prices due to plenty of tourists year round) gas prices went from $3.08 to $3.29 to $3.46 in a matter of 4 or 5 days.  So we&#039;re &quot;only&quot; running about 25 cents more per gallon than the national average, and &quot;only&quot; about 15 cents more per gallon than any stations in a 50 mile radius around us.  Lucky us.  I know that people living on the west coast and northeast coast pay more (but then, you folks make a shovel load more money than we do here in &quot;flyover country&quot; so stop your whining).  

It&#039;s now taking a $50 and a $5 bill to fill up a mid-sized car here.  You can&#039;t leave your midsized to run nearly out unless you want to put your credit card in the pump twice - $50 is it.  So SUV and pickup truck drivers can choose to pay multiple times at the pump or simply fill up every time the gas gauge reads 3/4 tank.  A hassle.  The credit card companies need to get a freaking clue?!  

The other day, I &quot;peeked&quot; at oil prices online as I sat down at work and it was $104 per barrel, and by lunch, it was $107.  Now, it&#039;s $110, a mere 3 days later.  

In other news, Hyundai says they will finally get 30,000 more compact 4 cylinder cars out of the parent company for the US.  It still won&#039;t be enough.  And the Montgomery plant has a new four cylinder engine factory ready to start production by autumn.  I am thinking that before this is over, there will be four cylinder Santa Fe&#039;s back on sale, not just four cylinder Sonata&#039;s on sale.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Up where I live (a northern US town known for high prices due to plenty of tourists year round) gas prices went from $3.08 to $3.29 to $3.46 in a matter of 4 or 5 days.  So we&#8217;re &#8220;only&#8221; running about 25 cents more per gallon than the national average, and &#8220;only&#8221; about 15 cents more per gallon than any stations in a 50 mile radius around us.  Lucky us.  I know that people living on the west coast and northeast coast pay more (but then, you folks make a shovel load more money than we do here in &#8220;flyover country&#8221; so stop your whining).  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s now taking a $50 and a $5 bill to fill up a mid-sized car here.  You can&#8217;t leave your midsized to run nearly out unless you want to put your credit card in the pump twice &#8211; $50 is it.  So SUV and pickup truck drivers can choose to pay multiple times at the pump or simply fill up every time the gas gauge reads 3/4 tank.  A hassle.  The credit card companies need to get a freaking clue?!  </p>
<p>The other day, I &#8220;peeked&#8221; at oil prices online as I sat down at work and it was $104 per barrel, and by lunch, it was $107.  Now, it&#8217;s $110, a mere 3 days later.  </p>
<p>In other news, Hyundai says they will finally get 30,000 more compact 4 cylinder cars out of the parent company for the US.  It still won&#8217;t be enough.  And the Montgomery plant has a new four cylinder engine factory ready to start production by autumn.  I am thinking that before this is over, there will be four cylinder Santa Fe&#8217;s back on sale, not just four cylinder Sonata&#8217;s on sale.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: geeber</title>
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		<dc:creator>geeber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:04:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Pch101: Perhaps Mr. Williams can address this, but I see that for March that the Camry is currently being sold with $1,000 customer incentives, while Honda isn’t offering one. I’m going to guess that Toyota is using these rebates to keep its customers away from Honda, and that the Accord’s size gain is pushing some consumers toward the Camry.&lt;/i&gt;

Thanks for the information on Camry incentives. I hadn&#039;t realized that Toyota was being that aggressive. 

As for the Accord&#039;s size gain - we are looking at either the Civic, or maybe even the updated 2009 Ford Fusion. We just don&#039;t care for the Camry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><i>Pch101: Perhaps Mr. Williams can address this, but I see that for March that the Camry is currently being sold with $1,000 customer incentives, while Honda isn’t offering one. I’m going to guess that Toyota is using these rebates to keep its customers away from Honda, and that the Accord’s size gain is pushing some consumers toward the Camry.</i></p>
<p>Thanks for the information on Camry incentives. I hadn&#8217;t realized that Toyota was being that aggressive. </p>
<p>As for the Accord&#8217;s size gain &#8211; we are looking at either the Civic, or maybe even the updated 2009 Ford Fusion. We just don&#8217;t care for the Camry.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: jerry weber</title>
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		<dc:creator>jerry weber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 12:42:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>car shark, you are right they have taken the frame out and the acadia is lighter. But the economics are a little more complicated. First, if gas only goes to say $3.50 a driver might say that 3-4mpg better on the acadia is a good trade off. However, if gas goes to and stays at $4.00 or more most people who really never needed a truck or large cross over but bought them because they are trendy will look for a station wagon type vehicle. This will be anything from an old fashioned type like a VW passat with real mpg about 25 to a mini van with mpg about 22. Not to mention that newer stuff is on the way that is truly lighter. I believe that 3500 pounds will be the new target weight for haulers of the future. Remember chrysler&#039;s original minivan was a four banger with a lot smaller dimensions then now. Further mazda a has similar vehicles caled an M5 which is a small minivan with a four popper. When people are really scared about fuel, they will not take a 20% improvement ala tahoe to acadia they will want more and this is why the GM and Ford idea of crossovers won&#039;t work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->car shark, you are right they have taken the frame out and the acadia is lighter. But the economics are a little more complicated. First, if gas only goes to say $3.50 a driver might say that 3-4mpg better on the acadia is a good trade off. However, if gas goes to and stays at $4.00 or more most people who really never needed a truck or large cross over but bought them because they are trendy will look for a station wagon type vehicle. This will be anything from an old fashioned type like a VW passat with real mpg about 25 to a mini van with mpg about 22. Not to mention that newer stuff is on the way that is truly lighter. I believe that 3500 pounds will be the new target weight for haulers of the future. Remember chrysler&#8217;s original minivan was a four banger with a lot smaller dimensions then now. Further mazda a has similar vehicles caled an M5 which is a small minivan with a four popper. When people are really scared about fuel, they will not take a 20% improvement ala tahoe to acadia they will want more and this is why the GM and Ford idea of crossovers won&#8217;t work.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: CarShark</title>
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		<dc:creator>CarShark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 11:44:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to GMC.com, the curb weight of the Acadia with AWD is 4936. The Yukon, however, tips the scales at 5527. So the Acadia is a good deal lighter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->According to GMC.com, the curb weight of the Acadia with AWD is 4936. The Yukon, however, tips the scales at 5527. So the Acadia is a good deal lighter.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: theflyersfan</title>
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		<dc:creator>theflyersfan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 11:03:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s looking like Hyundai is becoming the darling of rental car lots.  I tend to see window bar codes on a lot of Sonatas and Azeras.  Since I don&#039;t see any information if they lump fleet sales with dealer sales, imagine the plunge without the dumping into fleets.  Hyundai also has a problem with resale value so this doesn&#039;t help matters at all.

coupdetat - no idea on what GM and Ford were thinking with 5,000+lb crossovers either.  I can imagine a lot of pissed off owners any month now when the reality of better mileage never happens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->It&#8217;s looking like Hyundai is becoming the darling of rental car lots.  I tend to see window bar codes on a lot of Sonatas and Azeras.  Since I don&#8217;t see any information if they lump fleet sales with dealer sales, imagine the plunge without the dumping into fleets.  Hyundai also has a problem with resale value so this doesn&#8217;t help matters at all.</p>
<p>coupdetat &#8211; no idea on what GM and Ford were thinking with 5,000+lb crossovers either.  I can imagine a lot of pissed off owners any month now when the reality of better mileage never happens.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: coupdetat</title>
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		<dc:creator>coupdetat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 04:53:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NoSubstitute:

Edmunds.com&#039;s new comparo reports the Acadia averaging 15.4mpg and the Toyota Sequoia 4.7L at 15.2mpg.  I&#039;m not sure about what other drivers are getting but it seems that, at 5000lbs, the Acadia is fighting a losing battle against physics.

One of the chief advantages of CUV&#039;s is that they can be much lighter than body-on-frame SUV&#039;s...  so I&#039;m not sure what GM was thinking.</description>
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<p>Edmunds.com&#8217;s new comparo reports the Acadia averaging 15.4mpg and the Toyota Sequoia 4.7L at 15.2mpg.  I&#8217;m not sure about what other drivers are getting but it seems that, at 5000lbs, the Acadia is fighting a losing battle against physics.</p>
<p>One of the chief advantages of CUV&#8217;s is that they can be much lighter than body-on-frame SUV&#8217;s&#8230;  so I&#8217;m not sure what GM was thinking.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Pch101</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pch101</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 04:42:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although I would think that Honda would prefer to be selling more Accords, their prospects aren&#039;t all that bleak.  The Accord still outsells every rival in its class except for the Camry, and at the current rate will sell about 300,000 units by the end of the year.  

At the current sales rate, the Accord will outsell the Malibu by a factor of 2:1, and will outsell the Aura by a factor of 5:1.  It still maintains its lead over the Altima, although both are slipping a bit.

Perhaps Mr. Williams can address this, but I see that for March that the Camry is currently being sold with $1,000 customer incentives, while Honda isn&#039;t offering one.  I&#039;m going to guess that Toyota is using these rebates to keep its customers away from Honda, and that the Accord&#039;s size gain is pushing some consumers toward the Camry.  With pricey gas and recession on the way, large mid-market cars are falling out of favor -- for example, Avalon sales are down 1/3rd from last year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Although I would think that Honda would prefer to be selling more Accords, their prospects aren&#8217;t all that bleak.  The Accord still outsells every rival in its class except for the Camry, and at the current rate will sell about 300,000 units by the end of the year.  </p>
<p>At the current sales rate, the Accord will outsell the Malibu by a factor of 2:1, and will outsell the Aura by a factor of 5:1.  It still maintains its lead over the Altima, although both are slipping a bit.</p>
<p>Perhaps Mr. Williams can address this, but I see that for March that the Camry is currently being sold with $1,000 customer incentives, while Honda isn&#8217;t offering one.  I&#8217;m going to guess that Toyota is using these rebates to keep its customers away from Honda, and that the Accord&#8217;s size gain is pushing some consumers toward the Camry.  With pricey gas and recession on the way, large mid-market cars are falling out of favor &#8212; for example, Avalon sales are down 1/3rd from last year.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: i6</title>
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		<dc:creator>i6</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 03:46:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks FW. By The Numbers keeps getting clearer and more concise with every new edition.</description>
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		<title>By: Acd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Acd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 01:50:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It looks like the 1950&#039;s all over again except the role of Chevrolet is being played by Toyota, the role of Ford is being played by Honda and GM, Ford and Chrysler have become the 1950&#039;s independents (Studebaker, Packard, Nash and Hudson).</description>
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		<title>By: jerry weber</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/by-the-numbers-no-valentines-this-february/comment-page-1/#comment-216242</link>
		<dc:creator>jerry weber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 01:44:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It will get much worse in terms of profitable sales for most car companies. Ford chevy and dodge have made most of their money on luxury light trucks and truck framed suv&#039;s. When you can list a truck at $40,000 a $10,000 profit is easily made. However, at say $18,000.00 for an average small car you won&#039;t make even $5,000 profit. At say $12,000 for an econobox there is no profit at all at least for the domestic builders. Every sale that goes &quot;small&quot; is a loss for these big vehicle builders. Where will the profts come from to retool and build even more small (green) cars? It is this hard fact that must drive the Detroit boys crazy at night, because they can&#039;t control the cost of fuel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->It will get much worse in terms of profitable sales for most car companies. Ford chevy and dodge have made most of their money on luxury light trucks and truck framed suv&#8217;s. When you can list a truck at $40,000 a $10,000 profit is easily made. However, at say $18,000.00 for an average small car you won&#8217;t make even $5,000 profit. At say $12,000 for an econobox there is no profit at all at least for the domestic builders. Every sale that goes &#8220;small&#8221; is a loss for these big vehicle builders. Where will the profts come from to retool and build even more small (green) cars? It is this hard fact that must drive the Detroit boys crazy at night, because they can&#8217;t control the cost of fuel.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Skooter</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/by-the-numbers-no-valentines-this-february/comment-page-1/#comment-216082</link>
		<dc:creator>Skooter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 23:59:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I’m scratching my head trying to figure out why the new Accord is down.&quot;

Did you ever really look at it? Not pretty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->&#8220;I’m scratching my head trying to figure out why the new Accord is down.&#8221;</p>
<p>Did you ever really look at it? Not pretty.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Honda_Lover</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/by-the-numbers-no-valentines-this-february/comment-page-1/#comment-215912</link>
		<dc:creator>Honda_Lover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 23:00:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I own a 2007 CR-V and no complaints. Wonderful vehicle. The last year I&#039;ve seen dozens of new ones on the road.</description>
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		<title>By: NoSubstitute</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/by-the-numbers-no-valentines-this-february/comment-page-1/#comment-215862</link>
		<dc:creator>NoSubstitute</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 22:42:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>coupdetat : 

&quot;I don’t understand why the Acadia is doing well. It gets just as bad mileage as its truck-based GM brethren and is smaller.&quot; 

Actually, the new pretty darn realistic EPA combined number for the Acadia is 19 mpg, vs 16 for a Yukon. Doesn&#039;t sound like much, but that&#039;s about a 20% improvement, which on guzzlers like these  works out to a difference of about $500/year. At current gas prices in most of these USA. Throw another $100 to $150/year on the barbie when gas hits $4. Which, by the way, is pretty much already happening here in the SF Bay Area.

So, a better looking better driving vehicle that saves you $50 plus a month on fuel. Not that tough of a call.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->coupdetat : </p>
<p>&#8220;I don’t understand why the Acadia is doing well. It gets just as bad mileage as its truck-based GM brethren and is smaller.&#8221; </p>
<p>Actually, the new pretty darn realistic EPA combined number for the Acadia is 19 mpg, vs 16 for a Yukon. Doesn&#8217;t sound like much, but that&#8217;s about a 20% improvement, which on guzzlers like these  works out to a difference of about $500/year. At current gas prices in most of these USA. Throw another $100 to $150/year on the barbie when gas hits $4. Which, by the way, is pretty much already happening here in the SF Bay Area.</p>
<p>So, a better looking better driving vehicle that saves you $50 plus a month on fuel. Not that tough of a call.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: coupdetat</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/by-the-numbers-no-valentines-this-february/comment-page-1/#comment-214892</link>
		<dc:creator>coupdetat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 19:11:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t understand why the Acadia is doing well.  It gets just as bad mileage as its truck-based GM brethren and is smaller.  Plus, we all know average Americans don&#039;t care what a vehicle drives like, so it&#039;s carlike handling can&#039;t be the reason for sales.  Maybe it is just prettier?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->I don&#8217;t understand why the Acadia is doing well.  It gets just as bad mileage as its truck-based GM brethren and is smaller.  Plus, we all know average Americans don&#8217;t care what a vehicle drives like, so it&#8217;s carlike handling can&#8217;t be the reason for sales.  Maybe it is just prettier?<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: mikey</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/by-the-numbers-no-valentines-this-february/comment-page-1/#comment-214742</link>
		<dc:creator>mikey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 18:51:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here in Oshawa we thought the Malibu would eat  
Impala sales Sat.O.T scheduled till late April
go figure.</description>
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Impala sales Sat.O.T scheduled till late April<br />
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		<title>By: nino</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/by-the-numbers-no-valentines-this-february/comment-page-1/#comment-214732</link>
		<dc:creator>nino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 18:49:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;SherbornSean : 
March 11th, 2008 at 12:41 pm 


I’m scratching my head trying to figure out why the new Accord is down. 

Maybe people see the CR-V next door for the same money?&lt;/em&gt;


With all due respect with those that are critical of the Accord&#039;s styling, in my area, lower Accord sales are directly attributable to dealers refusing to deal on the car and asking lease rates as high as $430 a month for 36 months on EX-L models despite generally high residuals on the car. 

To compare, top line Camrys are leasing in the $360 range for the same 36 months and Pontiac G6s, despite carrying stickers $1000 HIGHER than the EX-L Accord (GXP versions), they&#039;re leasing for $330 to $345 a month.

Another comparison:

A new Acura TL leases for about $380 a month for the same 36 months.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><em>SherbornSean :<br />
March 11th, 2008 at 12:41 pm </p>
<p>I’m scratching my head trying to figure out why the new Accord is down. </p>
<p>Maybe people see the CR-V next door for the same money?</em></p>
<p>With all due respect with those that are critical of the Accord&#8217;s styling, in my area, lower Accord sales are directly attributable to dealers refusing to deal on the car and asking lease rates as high as $430 a month for 36 months on EX-L models despite generally high residuals on the car. </p>
<p>To compare, top line Camrys are leasing in the $360 range for the same 36 months and Pontiac G6s, despite carrying stickers $1000 HIGHER than the EX-L Accord (GXP versions), they&#8217;re leasing for $330 to $345 a month.</p>
<p>Another comparison:</p>
<p>A new Acura TL leases for about $380 a month for the same 36 months.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: umterp85</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/by-the-numbers-no-valentines-this-february/comment-page-1/#comment-214692</link>
		<dc:creator>umterp85</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 18:44:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...throw in the Mariner sales and the Escape platform is doing very well indeed.  Combined with Edge / MKX----Ford has at least one brightspot---CUV&#039;s. Well--make that two---Focus with Sync.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->&#8230;throw in the Mariner sales and the Escape platform is doing very well indeed.  Combined with Edge / MKX&#8212;-Ford has at least one brightspot&#8212;CUV&#8217;s. Well&#8211;make that two&#8212;Focus with Sync.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: CarShark</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/by-the-numbers-no-valentines-this-february/comment-page-1/#comment-214652</link>
		<dc:creator>CarShark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 18:39:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Any word on how CR-V and RAV4 sales are doing (either individually or one vs the other)?&lt;/em&gt;

CR-V: 31710
Escape: 25383
RAV-4: 21274</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><em>Any word on how CR-V and RAV4 sales are doing (either individually or one vs the other)?</em></p>
<p>CR-V: 31710<br />
Escape: 25383<br />
RAV-4: 21274<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Johnson</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/by-the-numbers-no-valentines-this-february/comment-page-1/#comment-214472</link>
		<dc:creator>Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 18:08:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FYI, some interesting facts:

Hyundai sales tanked for the second month in a row. YTD Hyundai sales are down roughly 15%. 

Yaris sales were up big in February. 

The Pilot saw an increase thanks to an incentives push.

Average Honda incentives for February were higher than average Toyota incentives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->FYI, some interesting facts:</p>
<p>Hyundai sales tanked for the second month in a row. YTD Hyundai sales are down roughly 15%. </p>
<p>Yaris sales were up big in February. </p>
<p>The Pilot saw an increase thanks to an incentives push.</p>
<p>Average Honda incentives for February were higher than average Toyota incentives.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Orian</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/by-the-numbers-no-valentines-this-february/comment-page-1/#comment-214362</link>
		<dc:creator>Orian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 17:46:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m just wondering how long the larger CUV sales will continue before they start feeling the sting from rising fuel prices...some of them get practically the same mileage as the larger SUV&#039;s that seat 7.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->I&#8217;m just wondering how long the larger CUV sales will continue before they start feeling the sting from rising fuel prices&#8230;some of them get practically the same mileage as the larger SUV&#8217;s that seat 7.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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