Comments on: Buy American and Get Free Gas or Free Gun http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/buy-american-and-get-free-gas-or-free-gun/ The Truth About Cars is dedicated to providing candid, unbiased automobile reviews and the latest in auto industry news. Sun, 22 Nov 2009 20:42:27 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Beelzebubba http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/buy-american-and-get-free-gas-or-free-gun/comment-page-1/#comment-496602 Beelzebubba Tue, 10 Jun 2008 18:56:45 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/buy-american-and-get-free-gas-or-free-gun/#comment-496602 Not a smart plan! Considering the mediocrity of virtually everything they sell, why would the offer a gun? Buyer's remorse and a suicide weapon, not good! I'd keep an especially close eye on Sebring buyers. =) Even worse, just wait until they try to get rid of the lump and learn the hard lesson about domestic vehicles resale value. It's a "Drive-By" waiting to happen! Not a smart plan! Considering the mediocrity of virtually everything they sell, why would the offer a gun? Buyer’s remorse and a suicide weapon, not good! I’d keep an especially close eye on Sebring buyers. =)

Even worse, just wait until they try to get rid of the lump and learn the hard lesson about domestic vehicles resale value. It’s a “Drive-By” waiting to happen!

]]> By: chanman http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/buy-american-and-get-free-gas-or-free-gun/comment-page-1/#comment-453931 chanman Tue, 27 May 2008 04:25:05 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/buy-american-and-get-free-gas-or-free-gun/#comment-453931 Firearms prevalence and crime rates don't correlate particularly well anyway. There are safe places with esssentially no legal firearms ownership (Japan, Singapore, Hong Kong) and safe places with private and relatively prevalent firearms ownership (Northern Europe, Switzerland, perhaps Canada, depending on your perceptions thanks to a spate of organized crime-related killings) I think the more people in prison part in America may be independent of the guns. Y'all just seem to like putting people in jail for some reason. Not the most affordable option. The US has roughly three times the number of guns per capita compared to Canada (or France) and nearly seven times the per capita incarceration rate. Firearms prevalence and crime rates don’t correlate particularly well anyway. There are safe places with esssentially no legal firearms ownership (Japan, Singapore, Hong Kong) and safe places with private and relatively prevalent firearms ownership (Northern Europe, Switzerland, perhaps Canada, depending on your perceptions thanks to a spate of organized crime-related killings)

I think the more people in prison part in America may be independent of the guns. Y’all just seem to like putting people in jail for some reason. Not the most affordable option. The US has roughly three times the number of guns per capita compared to Canada (or France) and nearly seven times the per capita incarceration rate.

]]> By: geeber http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/buy-american-and-get-free-gas-or-free-gun/comment-page-1/#comment-453812 geeber Tue, 27 May 2008 00:43:23 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/buy-american-and-get-free-gas-or-free-gun/#comment-453812 <i>Jonny Lieberman: My point is that there is nothing wrong with guns, but if you think they help solve the “crime problem” you’re deluding yourself.</i> Solve it? No. But they can ameliorate it...just google various firearms rights blogs and start reading. <i>Jonny Lieberman: Americans have more guns than anyone, and more people in prison.</i> The gun may not stop the criminal from commiting the crime...but it can definitely stop him or her from <i>completing</i> the crime. If a person stops a crime with a gun - either by shooting the person, or holding him or her at bay until the police arrive - the authorities generally send the perpetrator to prison (if the perpetrator is still alive). That is where criminals go (or should go). Jonny Lieberman: My point is that there is nothing wrong with guns, but if you think they help solve the “crime problem” you’re deluding yourself.

Solve it? No. But they can ameliorate it…just google various firearms rights blogs and start reading.

Jonny Lieberman: Americans have more guns than anyone, and more people in prison.

The gun may not stop the criminal from commiting the crime…but it can definitely stop him or her from completing the crime.

If a person stops a crime with a gun – either by shooting the person, or holding him or her at bay until the police arrive – the authorities generally send the perpetrator to prison (if the perpetrator is still alive). That is where criminals go (or should go).

]]> By: Jonny Lieberman http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/buy-american-and-get-free-gas-or-free-gun/comment-page-1/#comment-453161 Jonny Lieberman Sun, 25 May 2008 19:53:39 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/buy-american-and-get-free-gas-or-free-gun/#comment-453161 Detroit-Iron: I'm half Canadian and trying to be funny. 1) Well, everyone starts off as a law-abiding citizen at some point. Plus, like, other people can pick up the gun right? My point is that there is nothing wrong with guns, but if you think they help solve the "crime problem" you're deluding yourself. Americans have more guns than anyone, and more people in prison. 2) Yeah, I had my .357vappraised at $750. But I've known the guy I traded it to since I was 3-years-old. So, I figured I'd cut him a deal. Hell of a hand cannon, though. I secretly miss it. Just don't tell my girl. Detroit-Iron:

I’m half Canadian and trying to be funny.

1) Well, everyone starts off as a law-abiding citizen at some point. Plus, like, other people can pick up the gun right? My point is that there is nothing wrong with guns, but if you think they help solve the “crime problem” you’re deluding yourself. Americans have more guns than anyone, and more people in prison.

2) Yeah, I had my .357vappraised at $750. But I’ve known the guy I traded it to since I was 3-years-old. So, I figured I’d cut him a deal. Hell of a hand cannon, though. I secretly miss it. Just don’t tell my girl.

]]> By: Detroit-Iron http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/buy-american-and-get-free-gas-or-free-gun/comment-page-1/#comment-452422 Detroit-Iron Sun, 25 May 2008 06:22:03 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/buy-american-and-get-free-gas-or-free-gun/#comment-452422 Johnny, are you Canadian, trying to be funny, or both? Why would putting a firearm in the hands of a law-abiding citizen exacerbate crime? Also the guy who gave you $250 worth of Scotch and Bourbon for your Python ripped you off. He should have given you at least $800 worth of booze. Why don't you head over there and fix his wagon, oh right, he has the Python. Johnny, are you Canadian, trying to be funny, or both? Why would putting a firearm in the hands of a law-abiding citizen exacerbate crime? Also the guy who gave you $250 worth of Scotch and Bourbon for your Python ripped you off. He should have given you at least $800 worth of booze. Why don’t you head over there and fix his wagon, oh right, he has the Python.

]]> By: grenadewade http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/buy-american-and-get-free-gas-or-free-gun/comment-page-1/#comment-451561 grenadewade Sat, 24 May 2008 23:21:17 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/buy-american-and-get-free-gas-or-free-gun/#comment-451561 I wish I could just embed the image in the post, but here is a link to a picture of a pawn shop north of Houston (Spring, TX) that I used to drive by regularly: <a href="http://www.allpawn.com/all_pawn_spring.htm">Guitars, Guns, Gold!!</a> My coworker and I used to joke that All Pawn's "three G's" were almost everything one could want in life. I wish I could just embed the image in the post, but here is a link to a picture of a pawn shop north of Houston (Spring, TX) that I used to drive by regularly:

Guitars, Guns, Gold!!

My coworker and I used to joke that All Pawn’s “three G’s” were almost everything one could want in life.

]]> By: chanman http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/buy-american-and-get-free-gas-or-free-gun/comment-page-1/#comment-450922 chanman Sat, 24 May 2008 09:16:12 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/buy-american-and-get-free-gas-or-free-gun/#comment-450922 Handgun is a cheap Kel-tec .380 bleh Mind you, neither the gun nor the gas are technically 'free' - they're just included into the price of the car. Still, a brilliant marketing ploy. I doubt they would have sold as many cars, or guns without grouping the two together. Now if only they would offer better cars with nicer guns... How about an Aston with a nice English side-by-side shotgun? Handgun is a cheap Kel-tec .380 bleh

Mind you, neither the gun nor the gas are technically ‘free’ – they’re just included into the price of the car.

Still, a brilliant marketing ploy. I doubt they would have sold as many cars, or guns without grouping the two together.

Now if only they would offer better cars with nicer guns… How about an Aston with a nice English side-by-side shotgun?

]]> By: prndlol http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/buy-american-and-get-free-gas-or-free-gun/comment-page-1/#comment-450891 prndlol Sat, 24 May 2008 07:04:38 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/buy-american-and-get-free-gas-or-free-gun/#comment-450891 Aren't you supposed to wait until your car is junk before you shoot it? Oh wait, i just read the list of marques they sell. Zingeh! Aren’t you supposed to wait until your car is junk before you shoot it? Oh wait, i just read the list of marques they sell.

Zingeh!

]]> By: moawdtsi http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/buy-american-and-get-free-gas-or-free-gun/comment-page-1/#comment-450811 moawdtsi Sat, 24 May 2008 04:34:34 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/buy-american-and-get-free-gas-or-free-gun/#comment-450811 In my part of Missouri you get your gun the same day. In my part of Missouri you get your gun the same day.

]]> By: yankinwaoz http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/buy-american-and-get-free-gas-or-free-gun/comment-page-1/#comment-450532 yankinwaoz Sat, 24 May 2008 00:16:19 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/buy-american-and-get-free-gas-or-free-gun/#comment-450532 First... you get a coupon for a purchase at a gun dealer. You still have to wait for the permit. Second, this is a brilliant campaign. Look at all the free publicity. There is no way he could have bought this much advertising. Re: Michael Moore. Take everything he says with a huge dose of salt. He doesn't let facts get in the way of his ideas. The bank/gun thing on his film? Fake. The bank gave you a coupon. They didn't hand you a gun like he did in the film. That was all staged to make the bank (and the US) look bad. Third... I'm not sure what kind of gun you are gonna get for that kind of money. Not one that I would trust. First… you get a coupon for a purchase at a gun dealer. You still have to wait for the permit.

Second, this is a brilliant campaign. Look at all the free publicity. There is no way he could have bought this much advertising.

Re: Michael Moore. Take everything he says with a huge dose of salt. He doesn’t let facts get in the way of his ideas. The bank/gun thing on his film? Fake. The bank gave you a coupon. They didn’t hand you a gun like he did in the film. That was all staged to make the bank (and the US) look bad.

Third… I’m not sure what kind of gun you are gonna get for that kind of money. Not one that I would trust.

]]> By: guyincognito http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/buy-american-and-get-free-gas-or-free-gun/comment-page-1/#comment-450471 guyincognito Fri, 23 May 2008 23:46:29 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/buy-american-and-get-free-gas-or-free-gun/#comment-450471 Oooo, I have to wait 6 days? But I'm angry now! Oooo, I have to wait 6 days? But I’m angry now!

]]> By: golden2husky http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/buy-american-and-get-free-gas-or-free-gun/comment-page-1/#comment-450461 golden2husky Fri, 23 May 2008 23:43:55 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/buy-american-and-get-free-gas-or-free-gun/#comment-450461 With the cost of a gallon of gas, you might need that gun to protect your tank!! Brilliant marketing, too. I haven't seen so much free publicity since the topless "Boob and Lube" service!! With the cost of a gallon of gas, you might need that gun to protect your tank!! Brilliant marketing, too. I haven’t seen so much free publicity since the topless “Boob and Lube” service!!

]]> By: hwyhobo http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/buy-american-and-get-free-gas-or-free-gun/comment-page-1/#comment-450381 hwyhobo Fri, 23 May 2008 22:50:11 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/buy-american-and-get-free-gas-or-free-gun/#comment-450381 <em>Haven’t you guys seen Bowling for Columbine?</em> Oh yes, the leftist gospel according to a fat, lying turd. How could we have missed it. Haven’t you guys seen Bowling for Columbine?

Oh yes, the leftist gospel according to a fat, lying turd. How could we have missed it.

]]> By: NickR http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/buy-american-and-get-free-gas-or-free-gun/comment-page-1/#comment-450252 NickR Fri, 23 May 2008 21:43:04 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/buy-american-and-get-free-gas-or-free-gun/#comment-450252 Is this really a good idea in litigation happy America? I can see how this would backfire. (Sorry!) Is this really a good idea in litigation happy America? I can see how this would backfire. (Sorry!)

]]> By: miked http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/buy-american-and-get-free-gas-or-free-gun/comment-page-1/#comment-450222 miked Fri, 23 May 2008 21:39:03 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/buy-american-and-get-free-gas-or-free-gun/#comment-450222 @CliffG, but Jonny does live where they've disarmed the citizens: California @CliffG, but Jonny does live where they’ve disarmed the citizens: California

]]> By: reg_pfj http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/buy-american-and-get-free-gas-or-free-gun/comment-page-1/#comment-450102 reg_pfj Fri, 23 May 2008 20:44:15 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/buy-american-and-get-free-gas-or-free-gun/#comment-450102 Haven't you guys seen Bowling for Columbine? I shouldn't be surprised - a bunch of real reactionaries on this board - <a href="www.imdb.com/title/tt0118715/quotes"> like the Chief of Police of Malibu</a> ;) Anyway, one scene depicts a Minnesota(?) bank's promotion where new account holders received rifles as a bonus. Maybe marketing mavens at Max Motors monitor Michael Moore's movies. Haven’t you guys seen Bowling for Columbine? I shouldn’t be surprised – a bunch of real reactionaries on this board – like the Chief of Police of Malibu ;)

Anyway, one scene depicts a Minnesota(?) bank’s promotion where new account holders received rifles as a bonus. Maybe marketing mavens at Max Motors monitor Michael Moore’s movies.

]]> By: CliffG http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/buy-american-and-get-free-gas-or-free-gun/comment-page-1/#comment-449981 CliffG Fri, 23 May 2008 20:14:07 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/buy-american-and-get-free-gas-or-free-gun/#comment-449981 Um, say Jonny, you got anymore guns for sale/trade? I like your prices. .357s are nice accurate weapons incidentally. If you enjoy fine machinery and are lucky enough to live in a country that hasn't disarmed its' law abiding citizens, you ought to try shooting a good handgun sometime. Like motorcycling it takes some practice to get good at it, but well worth it. I would frankly admit it would take more than a $250 coupon to get me to buy a Chevy, hell, that's barely a down payment on an AR-15. Um, say Jonny, you got anymore guns for sale/trade? I like your prices. .357s are nice accurate weapons incidentally. If you enjoy fine machinery and are lucky enough to live in a country that hasn’t disarmed its’ law abiding citizens, you ought to try shooting a good handgun sometime. Like motorcycling it takes some practice to get good at it, but well worth it. I would frankly admit it would take more than a $250 coupon to get me to buy a Chevy, hell, that’s barely a down payment on an AR-15.

]]> By: TaurusGT500 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/buy-american-and-get-free-gas-or-free-gun/comment-page-1/#comment-449771 TaurusGT500 Fri, 23 May 2008 19:21:42 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/buy-american-and-get-free-gas-or-free-gun/#comment-449771 For the dealer: Very Smart ... for all the free pub and other reasons listed above, plus (in all liklihood) it's more cost effeective for him. Customer gets a $250 coupon for a retail item that the dealer bought in bulk at wholesale. For the customer: Not So Smart. Dealers already work pretty hard to comingle all the various pieces that make up a deal into one large ball of confusion. ...the price of the car ...the value of the trade ...the financing ...the "back-end" add-ons ...the crap* that gets packed (*Crap being the technical term for sound deadner/undercoating, VIN etching, and paint/fabric protector). Now you throw in "Free Stuff". Whether it's free gas, guns, or vacations to FL, this just further serves to muddy the deal and confuse the customer. For the dealer: Very Smart

… for all the free pub and other reasons listed above, plus (in all liklihood) it’s more cost effeective for him. Customer gets a $250 coupon for a retail item that the dealer bought in bulk at wholesale.

For the customer: Not So Smart.

Dealers already work pretty hard to comingle all the various pieces that make up a deal into one large ball of confusion.

…the price of the car …the value of the trade …the financing …the “back-end” add-ons …the crap* that gets packed (*Crap being the technical term for sound deadner/undercoating, VIN etching, and paint/fabric protector).

Now you throw in “Free Stuff”. Whether it’s free gas, guns, or vacations to FL, this just further serves to muddy the deal and confuse the customer.

]]> By: AJ http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/buy-american-and-get-free-gas-or-free-gun/comment-page-1/#comment-449661 AJ Fri, 23 May 2008 19:01:59 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/buy-american-and-get-free-gas-or-free-gun/#comment-449661 I love it! Now that is real American! :) I love it! Now that is real American! :)

]]> By: KixStart http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/buy-american-and-get-free-gas-or-free-gun/comment-page-1/#comment-449632 KixStart Fri, 23 May 2008 18:59:23 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/buy-american-and-get-free-gas-or-free-gun/#comment-449632 Handgun? For defense? Nah... for defense, you want a <em>pump shotgun</em>. You'll never even need to fire it. When perps come a-callin', just chamber a round. Bad guys don't linger when they hear that sound. Handgun? For defense? Nah… for defense, you want a pump shotgun. You’ll never even need to fire it.

When perps come a-callin’, just chamber a round.

Bad guys don’t linger when they hear that sound.

]]> By: hwyhobo http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/buy-american-and-get-free-gas-or-free-gun/comment-page-1/#comment-449622 hwyhobo Fri, 23 May 2008 18:57:23 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/buy-american-and-get-free-gas-or-free-gun/#comment-449622 CNBC just reported that 90% of the buyers take the $250 coupon toward the purchase of a gun. CNBC just reported that 90% of the buyers take the $250 coupon toward the purchase of a gun.

]]> By: Gregzilla http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/buy-american-and-get-free-gas-or-free-gun/comment-page-1/#comment-449541 Gregzilla Fri, 23 May 2008 18:48:21 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/buy-american-and-get-free-gas-or-free-gun/#comment-449541 Buy a new car, go straight to a drive-by...BRILLIANT Buy a new car, go straight to a drive-by…BRILLIANT

]]> By: windswords http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/buy-american-and-get-free-gas-or-free-gun/comment-page-1/#comment-449521 windswords Fri, 23 May 2008 18:44:49 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/buy-american-and-get-free-gas-or-free-gun/#comment-449521 I'll take the gas. $250 won't buy you a decent hand gun. Maybe a cheap Eastern bloc model. It would be like buying a Chinese car. Kudos to the dealer for devising a better PR gimick than Chrysler's $2.99 a gallon offer [and cheaper too - and they say them rednecks is dumb :)] I’ll take the gas. $250 won’t buy you a decent hand gun. Maybe a cheap Eastern bloc model. It would be like buying a Chinese car. Kudos to the dealer for devising a better PR gimick than Chrysler’s $2.99 a gallon offer [and cheaper too - and they say them rednecks is dumb :)]

]]> By: Kurt B http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/buy-american-and-get-free-gas-or-free-gun/comment-page-1/#comment-449482 Kurt B Fri, 23 May 2008 18:36:37 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/buy-american-and-get-free-gas-or-free-gun/#comment-449482 Or perhaps you can use the gun to get free gas... Or perhaps you can use the gun to get free gas…

]]> By: hwyhobo http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/buy-american-and-get-free-gas-or-free-gun/comment-page-1/#comment-449442 hwyhobo Fri, 23 May 2008 18:35:01 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/buy-american-and-get-free-gas-or-free-gun/#comment-449442 Brilliant stunt. Everyone is giving him free space/airtime, including CNBC of all places. Brilliant stunt. Everyone is giving him free space/airtime, including CNBC of all places.

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