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		<title>By: delmartian</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/buick-enclave-review/comment-page-3/#comment-88870</link>
		<dc:creator>delmartian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 00:54:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If acceleration were the weighted criteria this review may have helped ... to me it was roominess, comfort, hangling and quietness ... this car kicks butt over the competition in the above criteria ... competition is really the suburban or yukon xl in roominess and lexus 350 in ride and quietness ... this writer doesn&#039;t understand the market as well as GM this car and its sisters hit the mark ... CX-9 too cramped, noisier, rough ride and not as roomy ... same goes for MDX and its thousands more ... someone needs to help these reviewers understand were not all looking for a sports car some of us want an alternative for a minivan and the enclave wins.</description>
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		<title>By: BlissDDS</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/buick-enclave-review/comment-page-3/#comment-57805</link>
		<dc:creator>BlissDDS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 15:22:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Megan,
While I applaud you for your entertaining, creative review I must let you know that I was confused after reading your comments and then test driving the Enclave.  I am an early 30&#039;s guy that is deciding between the Q7, the Enclave, and the Lexus GX470.  After reading your review I pictured the Enclave to be about the size of the MDX or the CX9 because your comment about these cars being natural rivals to the Enclave.  After visiting a Buick dealership I was amazed at how much larger the Enclave was, in fact the only car that I have test driven to this date with similar dimensions and interior space is the Audi Q7, we are leaning away from the Lexus because of the 3rd row of seats being too small.  The MDX and the CX9 are both too small for my purposes (family and cargo) but the Enclave being so much larger fits those needs nicely.  I was also impressed with the options and the luxury of the vehicle even after driving the Q7 (especially since the Enclave is $15K less with comparable options and accessories.)  It was so nice that I am really having a difficult time justifying the extra money for the Audi especially when reliability is factored in.  I hope that other readers of this sight do not get the wrong impression about the Buick because it has this possible 30 year old Audi buyer leaning towards an American CUV...and a Buick to boot!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Dear Megan,<br />
While I applaud you for your entertaining, creative review I must let you know that I was confused after reading your comments and then test driving the Enclave.  I am an early 30&#8217;s guy that is deciding between the Q7, the Enclave, and the Lexus GX470.  After reading your review I pictured the Enclave to be about the size of the MDX or the CX9 because your comment about these cars being natural rivals to the Enclave.  After visiting a Buick dealership I was amazed at how much larger the Enclave was, in fact the only car that I have test driven to this date with similar dimensions and interior space is the Audi Q7, we are leaning away from the Lexus because of the 3rd row of seats being too small.  The MDX and the CX9 are both too small for my purposes (family and cargo) but the Enclave being so much larger fits those needs nicely.  I was also impressed with the options and the luxury of the vehicle even after driving the Q7 (especially since the Enclave is $15K less with comparable options and accessories.)  It was so nice that I am really having a difficult time justifying the extra money for the Audi especially when reliability is factored in.  I hope that other readers of this sight do not get the wrong impression about the Buick because it has this possible 30 year old Audi buyer leaning towards an American CUV&#8230;and a Buick to boot!<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Megan Benoit</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/buick-enclave-review/comment-page-3/#comment-56200</link>
		<dc:creator>Megan Benoit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2007 18:46:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I only have 800 words.  What I choose to put in there is my choice.  I did not mention the AWD option, my bad, but someone else in the comments cleared that up.

I was not aware of a transmission reflash.  Hopefully it does fix the shifting issues.  If it does, I&#039;d give it 2 stars instead for performance.  Maybe.

Po-tay-to, po-tah-to.  I suppose if one sets their standards low enough, every car that is reviewed here is spectacular.</description>
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<p>I was not aware of a transmission reflash.  Hopefully it does fix the shifting issues.  If it does, I&#8217;d give it 2 stars instead for performance.  Maybe.</p>
<p>Po-tay-to, po-tah-to.  I suppose if one sets their standards low enough, every car that is reviewed here is spectacular.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Viral</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/buick-enclave-review/comment-page-3/#comment-56189</link>
		<dc:creator>Viral</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2007 17:55:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You didn&#039;t like the acceleration, fair enough. My point was, that&#039;s the only time you mentioned a head-to-head comparison with the competition. You do say &quot;it&#039;s big on the inside&quot;, but never did you actually compare its cargo capacity with the MDX or CX-9 like you did acceleration. Nor fuel economy, etc. 

You never mentioned the upcoming Transmission reflash that will dramatically improve shift patterns that&#039;s in the works. 

The 2nd row console that you complain about is an optional feature that isn&#039;t even available yet. That means anyone buying an Enclave will have exceptionally easy access to the third row, just like a minivan. 

Several people have wished for an AWD model. Since you failed to mention it in your review, I&#039;ll let them know that there is, indeed, an AWD model available for an additional $2000.

Finally, I have to disagree with your 3rd row use assessment. I know that MANY people will shop these Lambdas that have more than 1 child seat. The ability to have both captains chairs occupied with child seats while still having easy access to a usable third row means that you don&#039;t need to haul 7 or 8 passengers for it to be useful. Only three.

It&#039;s true that you do have a lot of good things to say about the Enclave in your review, but the way that you present them comes off as backhanded complements compared to picking the one negative aspect and using that as your head to head comparison. Overall, I was left with a very negative feel from your review, which the facts simply don&#039;t back up. I feel like you really missed an opportunity for a complete review because of a lack of research. I think it&#039;s only fair to point some of these out to your readers so they can make a more accurate judgment on the Enclave. 

Thanks for giving me the opportunity to express my opinion along with yours!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->You didn&#8217;t like the acceleration, fair enough. My point was, that&#8217;s the only time you mentioned a head-to-head comparison with the competition. You do say &#8220;it&#8217;s big on the inside&#8221;, but never did you actually compare its cargo capacity with the MDX or CX-9 like you did acceleration. Nor fuel economy, etc. </p>
<p>You never mentioned the upcoming Transmission reflash that will dramatically improve shift patterns that&#8217;s in the works. </p>
<p>The 2nd row console that you complain about is an optional feature that isn&#8217;t even available yet. That means anyone buying an Enclave will have exceptionally easy access to the third row, just like a minivan. </p>
<p>Several people have wished for an AWD model. Since you failed to mention it in your review, I&#8217;ll let them know that there is, indeed, an AWD model available for an additional $2000.</p>
<p>Finally, I have to disagree with your 3rd row use assessment. I know that MANY people will shop these Lambdas that have more than 1 child seat. The ability to have both captains chairs occupied with child seats while still having easy access to a usable third row means that you don&#8217;t need to haul 7 or 8 passengers for it to be useful. Only three.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s true that you do have a lot of good things to say about the Enclave in your review, but the way that you present them comes off as backhanded complements compared to picking the one negative aspect and using that as your head to head comparison. Overall, I was left with a very negative feel from your review, which the facts simply don&#8217;t back up. I feel like you really missed an opportunity for a complete review because of a lack of research. I think it&#8217;s only fair to point some of these out to your readers so they can make a more accurate judgment on the Enclave. </p>
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		<title>By: Megan Benoit</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/buick-enclave-review/comment-page-3/#comment-56054</link>
		<dc:creator>Megan Benoit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2007 17:25:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t like the acceleration -- so what?  That composed a small fraction of the review (very small), and my low assessment of the performance included more than that, it included the sluggish six-speed transmission as well.  Engine performance is just one small facet of the review, and in case you aren&#039;t aware, I&#039;m not the only reviewer out there that found it wanting.  Everything else you mentioned?  Guess what -- I mentioned it as a positive too, using terms like &#039;bigger on the inside than it is on the outside&#039; and &#039;wonderful ride.&#039;  I fail to see where I neglected those areas, and an astonishing number of people in this thread that disagreed with me actually agreed with me on a great number of things.

For what it&#039;s worth, the 3rd row access on the Enclave STINKS compared to a minivan.  With that giant console in between the 2nd row seating, it means you have to move the seats forward to get to the back row.  No matter how you cut it, if you&#039;ve got more than one kid in a child seat, it means the seat has to come out in order to get someone into the back.  Inconvenient on many levels.  Yes, the space back there is very nice, but most won&#039;t even use it.  How many times do you haul 7-8 people in a vehicle at a time?  Odds are, you&#039;re just like every other minivan/CUV driver I know -- 80% of the vehicle&#039;s use consists of the driver alone.  So how is that experience for the driver?  You may not care, but a lot of people do, since they&#039;re the ones who will be driving it.  Which means they care about stuff like performance and handling and acceleration, fuel economy be damned.  Is it *fun to drive* compared to other vehicles?  Not really.  And all the unused third-row space in the world won&#039;t make up for that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->I didn&#8217;t like the acceleration &#8212; so what?  That composed a small fraction of the review (very small), and my low assessment of the performance included more than that, it included the sluggish six-speed transmission as well.  Engine performance is just one small facet of the review, and in case you aren&#8217;t aware, I&#8217;m not the only reviewer out there that found it wanting.  Everything else you mentioned?  Guess what &#8212; I mentioned it as a positive too, using terms like &#8216;bigger on the inside than it is on the outside&#8217; and &#8216;wonderful ride.&#8217;  I fail to see where I neglected those areas, and an astonishing number of people in this thread that disagreed with me actually agreed with me on a great number of things.</p>
<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, the 3rd row access on the Enclave STINKS compared to a minivan.  With that giant console in between the 2nd row seating, it means you have to move the seats forward to get to the back row.  No matter how you cut it, if you&#8217;ve got more than one kid in a child seat, it means the seat has to come out in order to get someone into the back.  Inconvenient on many levels.  Yes, the space back there is very nice, but most won&#8217;t even use it.  How many times do you haul 7-8 people in a vehicle at a time?  Odds are, you&#8217;re just like every other minivan/CUV driver I know &#8212; 80% of the vehicle&#8217;s use consists of the driver alone.  So how is that experience for the driver?  You may not care, but a lot of people do, since they&#8217;re the ones who will be driving it.  Which means they care about stuff like performance and handling and acceleration, fuel economy be damned.  Is it *fun to drive* compared to other vehicles?  Not really.  And all the unused third-row space in the world won&#8217;t make up for that.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Viral</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/buick-enclave-review/comment-page-3/#comment-56013</link>
		<dc:creator>Viral</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2007 04:41:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Megan, I&#039;ve read your review and every post you&#039;ve made in the replies section and I&#039;m absolutely baffled at your logic. Where to start...

&quot;calling a vehicle of the Enclave’s epic dimensions a crossover forces us to expand the genre’s definition from “cute ute”... &quot;

A CUV is defined as an automobile with a sport utility vehicle appearance but is built upon a more economical and fuel-efficient unibody construction. Size has NOTHING to do with its description. The Lambdas are indeed classic CUVs by definition.

You&#039;ve been beat to death on acceleration, but by your own admission, you simply collate (or randomly pick and choose) various sources for your comparison. Bottom line, the Enclave has MORE horsepower and torque than the CX-9 and it within a few tenths of a second in both 0-60 and ONE TENTH in the quarter mile, all while having more room &amp; cargo space, a much more usable 3rd row AND better fuel economy! Comparing it to the $10-15 THOUSAND more (and MUCH lighter and smaller) MDX is laughable, and it still comes close. But these are 3 row people haulers. NOBODY CARES! That&#039;s an irrelevant stat to 99% of this vehicle&#039;s target audience. 

I guess my main bone to pick with your article is why you would choose acceleration as your big comparison against its rivals rather than cargo/passenger space, 3rd row seating and access, ride comfort and fuel economy - you know, the things that might actually matter to someone trying to decide which 7/8 passenger people hauler to purchase? The Enclave beats all competitors in all of those areas, but not once do you mention that. 

Wouldn&#039;t that be exactly the same as me writing a review on a Porsche 911 Turbo and saying &quot;Sure it&#039;s faster, better looking, better handling and costs much less than its competition, but its trunk space is at LEAST a cubic foot less. When will Porsche get it? I&#039;ll pass!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Megan, I&#8217;ve read your review and every post you&#8217;ve made in the replies section and I&#8217;m absolutely baffled at your logic. Where to start&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;calling a vehicle of the Enclave’s epic dimensions a crossover forces us to expand the genre’s definition from “cute ute”&#8230; &#8221;</p>
<p>A CUV is defined as an automobile with a sport utility vehicle appearance but is built upon a more economical and fuel-efficient unibody construction. Size has NOTHING to do with its description. The Lambdas are indeed classic CUVs by definition.</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve been beat to death on acceleration, but by your own admission, you simply collate (or randomly pick and choose) various sources for your comparison. Bottom line, the Enclave has MORE horsepower and torque than the CX-9 and it within a few tenths of a second in both 0-60 and ONE TENTH in the quarter mile, all while having more room &amp; cargo space, a much more usable 3rd row AND better fuel economy! Comparing it to the $10-15 THOUSAND more (and MUCH lighter and smaller) MDX is laughable, and it still comes close. But these are 3 row people haulers. NOBODY CARES! That&#8217;s an irrelevant stat to 99% of this vehicle&#8217;s target audience. </p>
<p>I guess my main bone to pick with your article is why you would choose acceleration as your big comparison against its rivals rather than cargo/passenger space, 3rd row seating and access, ride comfort and fuel economy &#8211; you know, the things that might actually matter to someone trying to decide which 7/8 passenger people hauler to purchase? The Enclave beats all competitors in all of those areas, but not once do you mention that. </p>
<p>Wouldn&#8217;t that be exactly the same as me writing a review on a Porsche 911 Turbo and saying &#8220;Sure it&#8217;s faster, better looking, better handling and costs much less than its competition, but its trunk space is at LEAST a cubic foot less. When will Porsche get it? I&#8217;ll pass!&#8221;<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: zenith</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/buick-enclave-review/comment-page-3/#comment-54480</link>
		<dc:creator>zenith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 15:19:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This porker is almost 1/2 ton heavier than the out-going Rendezvous, yet it gets just slightly less EPA gas mileage; due to improved engine and drivetrain technologies.

What if GM told the engineers and stylists that this vehicle could not weigh any more than its predecessor? Just think of how much more economical , how much quicker, how much better-handling this vehicle could have been minus 800-1000 lbs.</description>
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<p>What if GM told the engineers and stylists that this vehicle could not weigh any more than its predecessor? Just think of how much more economical , how much quicker, how much better-handling this vehicle could have been minus 800-1000 lbs.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: peckwell</title>
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		<dc:creator>peckwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2007 18:13:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Buick has finally produced something that&#039;s a cut above, something that plays into a serious automotive &quot;sales&quot; trend, and you call it a &quot;badge enginered bone&quot;.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;First off, there&#039;s nothing badge engineered about the Enclave. If you want badge engineering, go look at the Cobalt and G5. That, and only that, is badge engineering. You know, removing a badge from one make and replacing it with another. Difficult to accept in the Chevy/Pontiac case, acceptable in the case of Opel/Saturn, and clearly not the case here.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;Next, the Enclave is a pretty strong statement of Buick&#039;s Near Luxury mission. It looks good, even stylish, and will give the Japanese luxury marques something to worry about. IS it a car? No, but what the hell? It nails a particular segment in the Industry and is a fine effort.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;Lastly (for this reply), wood and metal finishes are almost de riguer in a luxury/near luxury auto. Would you ake the same &quot;pick one and stick with it&quot; statement in an Acura?&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;This car/CUV/Thing is a big step in the right direction for Buick, and strikes me as a game changer, proof that Buick can build products that people would want.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<p>Buick has finally produced something that&#39;s a cut above, something that plays into a serious automotive &quot;sales&quot; trend, and you call it a &quot;badge enginered bone&quot;. </p>
<p>First off, there&#39;s nothing badge engineered about the Enclave. If you want badge engineering, go look at the Cobalt and G5. That, and only that, is badge engineering. You know, removing a badge from one make and replacing it with another. Difficult to accept in the Chevy/Pontiac case, acceptable in the case of Opel/Saturn, and clearly not the case here.</p>
<p>Next, the Enclave is a pretty strong statement of Buick&#39;s Near Luxury mission. It looks good, even stylish, and will give the Japanese luxury marques something to worry about. IS it a car? No, but what the hell? It nails a particular segment in the Industry and is a fine effort.</p>
<p>Lastly (for this reply), wood and metal finishes are almost de riguer in a luxury/near luxury auto. Would you ake the same &quot;pick one and stick with it&quot; statement in an Acura?</p>
<p>This car/CUV/Thing is a big step in the right direction for Buick, and strikes me as a game changer, proof that Buick can build products that people would want.</p>
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		<title>By: delmartian</title>
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		<dc:creator>delmartian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 22:47:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Megan,&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;Thanks for the review but what is the baseline you are using for the Enclave? I like the handling and power of the Acura MDX but at what cost? Its another ten thousand plus. I like the Mazda CX-9 and its cost is competitive but its 3rd row is smaller and the cargo area is lots smaller. Personally I am comparing the Enclave to other baseline comparisons, Denali, Escalade, Lexus LX-470 and Mercedes Benz GL and its kicking butt in a lot of categories especially cost and gas mileage.&#160;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<p>Megan,</p>
<p>Thanks for the review but what is the baseline you are using for the Enclave? I like the handling and power of the Acura MDX but at what cost? Its another ten thousand plus. I like the Mazda CX-9 and its cost is competitive but its 3rd row is smaller and the cargo area is lots smaller. Personally I am comparing the Enclave to other baseline comparisons, Denali, Escalade, Lexus LX-470 and Mercedes Benz GL and its kicking butt in a lot of categories especially cost and gas mileage.&nbsp; </p>
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		<title>By: mastermik</title>
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		<dc:creator>mastermik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 22:25:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>About the interior - The Aston Martin Rapide pulls off the metal on wood look perfectly. Its a precious interior. Just saying the two are not mutually exclusive - if done right...</description>
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		<title>By: cfisch</title>
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		<dc:creator>cfisch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 19:40:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gas mileage - The Enclave is a 2008 which has totally new ratings system. Then compare, there will be alot of suprises.

The Enclave is a very capable machine! Certainly not for everyone but better than alot of the competition. Anyone making comments from pictures is nuts!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Gas mileage &#8211; The Enclave is a 2008 which has totally new ratings system. Then compare, there will be alot of suprises.</p>
<p>The Enclave is a very capable machine! Certainly not for everyone but better than alot of the competition. Anyone making comments from pictures is nuts!<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Mark A</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 18:12:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;LamborghiniZ:&lt;/strong&gt; Just because the fuel economy is good for a bloated, overweight vehicle hardly makes that mpg acceptable... There’s no need to justify bad fuel economy by saying it’s good for a vehicle of it’s size, “But 14 mpg is good for a Suburban!”, that doesn’t make it any more logical or acceptable.&lt;/em&gt;

I was pointing out that the Enclave earned equal or higher EPA freeway ratings than vehicles in its class, including Odyssey, Sienna, MDX, Pilot, Highlander, CX9, Veracruz, and many others. I&#039;m not aware of any getting significantly better fuel economy, but maybe someone will correct me.

You may debate the relevance (or social responsibility) of large vehicles in the marketplace, but that&#039;s an entirely different topic.

Since when was 26 mpg &quot;bad fuel economy?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><em><strong>LamborghiniZ:</strong> Just because the fuel economy is good for a bloated, overweight vehicle hardly makes that mpg acceptable&#8230; There’s no need to justify bad fuel economy by saying it’s good for a vehicle of it’s size, “But 14 mpg is good for a Suburban!”, that doesn’t make it any more logical or acceptable.</em></p>
<p>I was pointing out that the Enclave earned equal or higher EPA freeway ratings than vehicles in its class, including Odyssey, Sienna, MDX, Pilot, Highlander, CX9, Veracruz, and many others. I&#8217;m not aware of any getting significantly better fuel economy, but maybe someone will correct me.</p>
<p>You may debate the relevance (or social responsibility) of large vehicles in the marketplace, but that&#8217;s an entirely different topic.</p>
<p>Since when was 26 mpg &#8220;bad fuel economy?&#8221;<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: wsn</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/buick-enclave-review/comment-page-3/#comment-52755</link>
		<dc:creator>wsn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 May 2007 22:18:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;umterp85:

Also, The TRUTH is that the Buick brand (damaged as it is) outsells both Acura, and Infiniti….and I am quite sure that most (75% +) of the units Buick moves are retail vs rental.&lt;/i&gt;

The truth is that Buick is not a luxury brand. Since Acura outsells Mercedes, does that mean Buick is better than Mercedes too?</description>
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<p>Also, The TRUTH is that the Buick brand (damaged as it is) outsells both Acura, and Infiniti….and I am quite sure that most (75% +) of the units Buick moves are retail vs rental.</i></p>
<p>The truth is that Buick is not a luxury brand. Since Acura outsells Mercedes, does that mean Buick is better than Mercedes too?<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: LamborghiniZ</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/buick-enclave-review/comment-page-3/#comment-52715</link>
		<dc:creator>LamborghiniZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 May 2007 14:54:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark A: Just because the fuel economy is good for a bloated, overweight vehicle hardly makes that mpg acceptable. Yes, you say it gets 26 on the highway, but the reality is it probably won&#039;t, not with a load of passengers or stuff, and certainly not with all of that around town. There&#039;s no need to justify bad fuel economy by saying it&#039;s good for a vehicle of it&#039;s size, &quot;But 14 mpg is good for a Suburban!&quot;, that doesn&#039;t make it any more logical or acceptable. Also, I don&#039;t think Megan is expecting its transmission to resemble one that&#039;s found in an exotic sports car, but rather something that is mildly palatable to drive, as opposed to utterly frustrating and inconvenient.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Mark A: Just because the fuel economy is good for a bloated, overweight vehicle hardly makes that mpg acceptable. Yes, you say it gets 26 on the highway, but the reality is it probably won&#8217;t, not with a load of passengers or stuff, and certainly not with all of that around town. There&#8217;s no need to justify bad fuel economy by saying it&#8217;s good for a vehicle of it&#8217;s size, &#8220;But 14 mpg is good for a Suburban!&#8221;, that doesn&#8217;t make it any more logical or acceptable. Also, I don&#8217;t think Megan is expecting its transmission to resemble one that&#8217;s found in an exotic sports car, but rather something that is mildly palatable to drive, as opposed to utterly frustrating and inconvenient.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Megan Benoit</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/buick-enclave-review/comment-page-3/#comment-52583</link>
		<dc:creator>Megan Benoit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2007 15:52:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;I drove one recently and was impressed overall, and the pearl white version with chrome wheels was downright sexy for something that hauls seven.&lt;/em&gt;

Isn&#039;t it, though?  I think that Buick&#039;s pearl white is hands down the best I&#039;ve ever seen.  Absolutely gorgeous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><em>I drove one recently and was impressed overall, and the pearl white version with chrome wheels was downright sexy for something that hauls seven.</em></p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t it, though?  I think that Buick&#8217;s pearl white is hands down the best I&#8217;ve ever seen.  Absolutely gorgeous.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: LamborghiniZ</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/buick-enclave-review/comment-page-3/#comment-52551</link>
		<dc:creator>LamborghiniZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2007 03:30:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, awesome final paragraph, that pretty much sums everything up nicely.</description>
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		<title>By: LamborghiniZ</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/buick-enclave-review/comment-page-3/#comment-52550</link>
		<dc:creator>LamborghiniZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2007 03:28:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great review, ESPECIALLY on the interior, FINALLY someone calls out this vehicle on its haphazardly designed, clashing/ugly interior. Props on this one</description>
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		<title>By: mrdweeb</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/buick-enclave-review/comment-page-3/#comment-52526</link>
		<dc:creator>mrdweeb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 22:57:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have any of you ever worked in &quot;plastics&quot;? I question whether the &quot;hard&quot; vs. &quot;soft&quot; critique concerns cost-savings, particularly in the context of a $40,000 vehicle.</description>
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		<title>By: Mark A</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/buick-enclave-review/comment-page-3/#comment-52521</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 22:30:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;I still am not entirely sure how they got such a time out of it, considering it has an automatic tranny and the shiftable transmission doesn’t really allow you to redline it — it’s not a tiptronic where you can tell it to only shift when you tell it to.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;

The 6 speed in the Enclave shifts like any other automatic when accelerating from a stop. Its shift points are near redline. With the manual-shift feature, you can rev it until it hits redline, where it will hold for just a second then upshift. Downshifting, it similarly holds off if it would over-rev. It will wait to shift down until it would be under redline in the requested gear. It&#039;s not a Porsche (or Ferrari, or Aston) so I&#039;d imagine GM programmed it to be safe rather than extract the &#039;nth&#039; degree of performance. 

As mentioned, the fuel economy is actually pretty good for a 5000 pound slug; no worse than its smaller competitors. The front drive 2007 versions of the GMC Acadia and Saturn Outlook had 26 mpg EPA freeway ratings. They lose 2 mpg with the ratings changes for 2008.

I drove one recently and was impressed overall, and the pearl white version with chrome wheels was downright sexy for something that hauls seven.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><strong><em>I still am not entirely sure how they got such a time out of it, considering it has an automatic tranny and the shiftable transmission doesn’t really allow you to redline it — it’s not a tiptronic where you can tell it to only shift when you tell it to.</em></strong></p>
<p>The 6 speed in the Enclave shifts like any other automatic when accelerating from a stop. Its shift points are near redline. With the manual-shift feature, you can rev it until it hits redline, where it will hold for just a second then upshift. Downshifting, it similarly holds off if it would over-rev. It will wait to shift down until it would be under redline in the requested gear. It&#8217;s not a Porsche (or Ferrari, or Aston) so I&#8217;d imagine GM programmed it to be safe rather than extract the &#8216;nth&#8217; degree of performance. </p>
<p>As mentioned, the fuel economy is actually pretty good for a 5000 pound slug; no worse than its smaller competitors. The front drive 2007 versions of the GMC Acadia and Saturn Outlook had 26 mpg EPA freeway ratings. They lose 2 mpg with the ratings changes for 2008.</p>
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		<title>By: bmilner</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/buick-enclave-review/comment-page-3/#comment-52519</link>
		<dc:creator>bmilner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 22:21:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Megan. Glad to see that expanded on. I&#039;ve seen various authors comment on vehicles being slow, accompanied by a 0-60 time that appears fast. Glad to see an expanded comment about how the car &lt;strong&gt;feels&lt;/strong&gt; in addition to the raw statistics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Thanks, Megan. Glad to see that expanded on. I&#8217;ve seen various authors comment on vehicles being slow, accompanied by a 0-60 time that appears fast. Glad to see an expanded comment about how the car <strong>feels</strong> in addition to the raw statistics.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Megan Benoit</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/buick-enclave-review/comment-page-3/#comment-52508</link>
		<dc:creator>Megan Benoit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 21:16:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A car&#039;s minimum 0-60 time (which is what gets published) has little bearing on how the car feels when you&#039;re driving it.  I still am not entirely sure how they got such a time out of it, considering it has an automatic tranny and the shiftable transmission doesn&#039;t really allow you to redline it -- it&#039;s not a tiptronic where you can tell it to only shift when you tell it to.  You can just tell it to upshift or downshift.  In a practical sense, the 0-60 is probably nowhere near the published figures.  The times were meant to illustrate the difference between the Enclave and other vehicles.  It may be fast compared to some, but the standards are rising.  

Like I said, I was still very disappointed with the engine&#039;s overall performance.  0-60 is a small portion of overall performance, which included serious throttle lag, very delayed downshifting, and upshifting early, which left the Enclave feeling even slower.  I can&#039;t imagine tackling a major uphill grade in it without being forced to downshift several gears -- and with 7 passengers?  I&#039;m sure it&#039;s even slower.  Got a short onramp?  Good luck with that.  To me, the real world stuff is more important, hence the low score.  

Even the magazines can&#039;t get it right -- look at the stats someone else posted.  It&#039;s the exact same engine in all 3 vehicles -- the numbers should be identical, and possibly a hair slower for AWD versions, and another hair slower for the heavier Enclave.  But when it&#039;s probably a second behind its competitors, all you can say is that it&#039;s slower.   And that&#039;s all I said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->A car&#8217;s minimum 0-60 time (which is what gets published) has little bearing on how the car feels when you&#8217;re driving it.  I still am not entirely sure how they got such a time out of it, considering it has an automatic tranny and the shiftable transmission doesn&#8217;t really allow you to redline it &#8212; it&#8217;s not a tiptronic where you can tell it to only shift when you tell it to.  You can just tell it to upshift or downshift.  In a practical sense, the 0-60 is probably nowhere near the published figures.  The times were meant to illustrate the difference between the Enclave and other vehicles.  It may be fast compared to some, but the standards are rising.  </p>
<p>Like I said, I was still very disappointed with the engine&#8217;s overall performance.  0-60 is a small portion of overall performance, which included serious throttle lag, very delayed downshifting, and upshifting early, which left the Enclave feeling even slower.  I can&#8217;t imagine tackling a major uphill grade in it without being forced to downshift several gears &#8212; and with 7 passengers?  I&#8217;m sure it&#8217;s even slower.  Got a short onramp?  Good luck with that.  To me, the real world stuff is more important, hence the low score.  </p>
<p>Even the magazines can&#8217;t get it right &#8212; look at the stats someone else posted.  It&#8217;s the exact same engine in all 3 vehicles &#8212; the numbers should be identical, and possibly a hair slower for AWD versions, and another hair slower for the heavier Enclave.  But when it&#8217;s probably a second behind its competitors, all you can say is that it&#8217;s slower.   And that&#8217;s all I said.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: bmilner</title>
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		<dc:creator>bmilner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 20:24:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;d be interesting to expand on why 0-60 times have little to do with how *fast* a car feels. Megan says the buick&#039;s slow, but it&#039;s faster 0-60 than my 4-motion passat which feels fast to most folks (torquey good-vibe engine, 0-60 8.7sec). Is it the throttle lag, the powerband, the sound? Why do the 0-60 times seem to matter so little?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->It&#39;d be interesting to expand on why 0-60 times have little to do with how *fast* a car feels. Megan says the buick&#39;s slow, but it&#39;s faster 0-60 than my 4-motion passat which feels fast to most folks (torquey good-vibe engine, 0-60 8.7sec). Is it the throttle lag, the powerband, the sound? Why do the 0-60 times seem to matter so little?<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: mastermik</title>
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		<dc:creator>mastermik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 17:53:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you so much Frank Williams. time to go read.. :)</description>
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		<title>By: Jim H</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/buick-enclave-review/comment-page-2/#comment-52447</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 16:28:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the first advertising (critique) I&#039;ve seen for the Buick Enclave. I&#039;d like to go by the dealer to see the interior as the photo doesn&#039;t look too bad...but I can&#039;t tell if that&#039;s dark grey trim touching a dark brown interior trim. That&#039;d be fingernails on a chalkboard to me. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->This is the first advertising (critique) I&#8217;ve seen for the Buick Enclave. I&#8217;d like to go by the dealer to see the interior as the photo doesn&#8217;t look too bad&#8230;but I can&#8217;t tell if that&#8217;s dark grey trim touching a dark brown interior trim. That&#8217;d be fingernails on a chalkboard to me. :)<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: GMrefugee</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/buick-enclave-review/comment-page-2/#comment-52442</link>
		<dc:creator>GMrefugee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 16:07:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the Enclave is a good match for where GM is trying to take Buick.  BTW, Buick has excellent quality and good reliability marks over the last many years. For those of you who might scoff, what think ye of the Mazda 9?  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->I think the Enclave is a good match for where GM is trying to take Buick.  BTW, Buick has excellent quality and good reliability marks over the last many years. For those of you who might scoff, what think ye of the Mazda 9?<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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