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		<title>By: Chopper man</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/bodacious-tatras/comment-page-1/#comment-97936</link>
		<dc:creator>Chopper man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 20:29:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I grew up in America I never had the privilege of meeting the Tatra.  However I did get introduced to the Chrysler Airflow.  Walking home from school, I’d pass an old 1934 Coupe that evoked in my young mind the wonder of the science of aeronautics. The car was semi-abandoned and I often imagined putting an early 331 cu in hemi in it and driving it to high school.  I didn’t even know that it was an early unibody car.  Unfortunately as America didn&#039;t embrace the Airflow, it has disappeared from the automotive landscape.  Thanks for rekindling this childhood memory.

Larry</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->As I grew up in America I never had the privilege of meeting the Tatra.  However I did get introduced to the Chrysler Airflow.  Walking home from school, I’d pass an old 1934 Coupe that evoked in my young mind the wonder of the science of aeronautics. The car was semi-abandoned and I often imagined putting an early 331 cu in hemi in it and driving it to high school.  I didn’t even know that it was an early unibody car.  Unfortunately as America didn&#8217;t embrace the Airflow, it has disappeared from the automotive landscape.  Thanks for rekindling this childhood memory.</p>
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		<title>By: postjosh</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/bodacious-tatras/comment-page-1/#comment-97183</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 23:32:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>even though i&#039;ve never seen one in the flesh, the tatra 603 is my all time favorite car. my wife gave me a beautiful tatra 603 book for my birthday last year. i grabbed some good photos from a nice example that was on ebay a couple of months back:

http://tinyurl.com/2ytncw</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->even though i&#8217;ve never seen one in the flesh, the tatra 603 is my all time favorite car. my wife gave me a beautiful tatra 603 book for my birthday last year. i grabbed some good photos from a nice example that was on ebay a couple of months back:</p>
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		<title>By: joeaverage</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/bodacious-tatras/comment-page-1/#comment-97107</link>
		<dc:creator>joeaverage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 18:37:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My first sighting of a Tatra was at the Red Boiling Springs, TN Antique car show. It&#039;s held in the fall and always promises alot of variety - customer and antique... We try to go each year.

A large 6x6 flatbed truck arrived one year carrying an odd pair of cars (odd to me at the time). The first was a tiny French boat tail car from the teens or twenties. The 2nd car was a Tatra (the one I&#039;d eventually ride in at the Lane Motor Museum). All were owned by the LMM. 

I was impressed with the rear engine and the fact that the HUGE truck and the Tatra car were both air cooled - the car was even a  V-8! I have always been fascinated with the engineering required to make a good air cooled and/or rear engined car. 

So many topics have to be carefully approached... Porsche has prob made the most of the technology and contributed a good amount themselves. 

There is a book I once saw called &quot;Aircooled Engines&quot; by a Czech fellow. I can&#039;t remember the fellow&#039;s name. It is out of date I think. He reviews the air cooled engines of a long list of airplanes, cars and trucks. The book was written in the early 70&#039;s I think. He discussed a myriad of considerations when designing a good air cooled engines. Lots of cutaway views of these engines. 

A few things an engineer must consider how to:

-Maintain a stable operating temp (warm up, excess cooling-down during coasting)

-How to get the most power from the engine in a variety of weather without overheating

-How to cool multiple cylinders and the oil without heating up the adjoining cylinders

-How to heat the cabin safely (do YOU want a gasoline powered blower furnace mounted right above the gas tank? Do you even want the gas tank to be mounted up front as found in a Beetle and Fiat and many other rear engined cars?)

-Noise control with no water jackets to quiet the engine, fins resonating &amp; making noise, aluminum construction vs iron which is quieter, different fit tolerances from water-cooled engines to deal with different expansion and contraction rates of the different engine materials (steel, aluminum, iron)

-Exhaust systems which must be short because the engine is at the rear of the car, how to rob the exhaust of it&#039;s heat to heat the cabin, how to build it so that it can survive the excessive heat from being so short and so close to the combustion chamber, and how to build it light so it does not contribute to a rear-engined car&#039;s nature desire to over steer.

-Later how engineers tried to cope with air pollution standards

-How to style a body to fit around the engine and still look desirable. 

-Ways to have a good ride, safe handling and braking characteristics when so much of the vehicle&#039;s weight is hanging out behind the rear axle.

Whatever the compromises made I still find myself drawn to these kinds of vehicles. Has anyone heard anything about the small compacts that VW has been showing which have a small watercooled engine in the rear? 

Chris in Cookeville
&#039;65 Beetle Heinz-57 Edition 2.0L
&#039;78 VW Westfalia 2.7L (Corvair implanted)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->My first sighting of a Tatra was at the Red Boiling Springs, TN Antique car show. It&#8217;s held in the fall and always promises alot of variety &#8211; customer and antique&#8230; We try to go each year.</p>
<p>A large 6&#215;6 flatbed truck arrived one year carrying an odd pair of cars (odd to me at the time). The first was a tiny French boat tail car from the teens or twenties. The 2nd car was a Tatra (the one I&#8217;d eventually ride in at the Lane Motor Museum). All were owned by the LMM. </p>
<p>I was impressed with the rear engine and the fact that the HUGE truck and the Tatra car were both air cooled &#8211; the car was even a  V-8! I have always been fascinated with the engineering required to make a good air cooled and/or rear engined car. </p>
<p>So many topics have to be carefully approached&#8230; Porsche has prob made the most of the technology and contributed a good amount themselves. </p>
<p>There is a book I once saw called &#8220;Aircooled Engines&#8221; by a Czech fellow. I can&#8217;t remember the fellow&#8217;s name. It is out of date I think. He reviews the air cooled engines of a long list of airplanes, cars and trucks. The book was written in the early 70&#8217;s I think. He discussed a myriad of considerations when designing a good air cooled engines. Lots of cutaway views of these engines. </p>
<p>A few things an engineer must consider how to:</p>
<p>-Maintain a stable operating temp (warm up, excess cooling-down during coasting)</p>
<p>-How to get the most power from the engine in a variety of weather without overheating</p>
<p>-How to cool multiple cylinders and the oil without heating up the adjoining cylinders</p>
<p>-How to heat the cabin safely (do YOU want a gasoline powered blower furnace mounted right above the gas tank? Do you even want the gas tank to be mounted up front as found in a Beetle and Fiat and many other rear engined cars?)</p>
<p>-Noise control with no water jackets to quiet the engine, fins resonating &amp; making noise, aluminum construction vs iron which is quieter, different fit tolerances from water-cooled engines to deal with different expansion and contraction rates of the different engine materials (steel, aluminum, iron)</p>
<p>-Exhaust systems which must be short because the engine is at the rear of the car, how to rob the exhaust of it&#8217;s heat to heat the cabin, how to build it so that it can survive the excessive heat from being so short and so close to the combustion chamber, and how to build it light so it does not contribute to a rear-engined car&#8217;s nature desire to over steer.</p>
<p>-Later how engineers tried to cope with air pollution standards</p>
<p>-How to style a body to fit around the engine and still look desirable. </p>
<p>-Ways to have a good ride, safe handling and braking characteristics when so much of the vehicle&#8217;s weight is hanging out behind the rear axle.</p>
<p>Whatever the compromises made I still find myself drawn to these kinds of vehicles. Has anyone heard anything about the small compacts that VW has been showing which have a small watercooled engine in the rear? </p>
<p>Chris in Cookeville<br />
&#8216;65 Beetle Heinz-57 Edition 2.0L<br />
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		<title>By: Sammy Hagar</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/bodacious-tatras/comment-page-1/#comment-97104</link>
		<dc:creator>Sammy Hagar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 18:32:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know I should respect the leather helmet generation, but I think those early pics are horrendous.  Rather than marvel at the shape, I just want to go out in my garden and pour salt on slugs.  Meh...</description>
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		<title>By: BabyM</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/bodacious-tatras/comment-page-1/#comment-97065</link>
		<dc:creator>BabyM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 16:19:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the link to the delightfully silly &lt;em&gt;Happy Journeys&lt;/em&gt;.  Imagine &lt;em&gt;The Dukes of Hazzard &lt;/em&gt;made by East European communists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Thanks for the link to the delightfully silly <em>Happy Journeys</em>.  Imagine <em>The Dukes of Hazzard </em>made by East European communists.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: David Holzman</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/bodacious-tatras/comment-page-1/#comment-97003</link>
		<dc:creator>David Holzman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 04:44:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These guys are crazy! (the ones who drove the Tatra all over the continent). Thanks for the link.</description>
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		<title>By: Areitu</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/bodacious-tatras/comment-page-1/#comment-97002</link>
		<dc:creator>Areitu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 02:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A while back, there was an article about the air-cooled T87 Tatra. I was fascinated enough to start google-ing around and stumbled upon this website of a couple who drove their restored T87 to each of the three oceans that touch North America: 

http://www.openthinkinc.com/tatra/</description>
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		<title>By: Paul Niedermeyer</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/bodacious-tatras/comment-page-1/#comment-96997</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Niedermeyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 00:41:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Busbodger,

Yes, Tatra has been making off-road trucks with all-independent suspension for ages, utilizing the same basic swing-axle technology they first used on the Tatra type 11 of 1923.</description>
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<p>Yes, Tatra has been making off-road trucks with all-independent suspension for ages, utilizing the same basic swing-axle technology they first used on the Tatra type 11 of 1923.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: joeaverage</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/bodacious-tatras/comment-page-1/#comment-96994</link>
		<dc:creator>joeaverage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 00:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Be sure to use a image search engine like Google pictures to see what else Tatra has been making since the days of their rear-engined cars. They&#039;ve been building railroad equipment I believe and HEAVY all-terrain trucks with independent suspension... That impresses me living in the USA where all the trucks have straight axles. 

If you follow the Dakar Rally you&#039;ve seen a Tatra truck or two racing. No Rally this year according to the news last week. Serious security threats from group(s) related to Al-Queada and yes I mispelled it on purpose.</description>
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<p>If you follow the Dakar Rally you&#8217;ve seen a Tatra truck or two racing. No Rally this year according to the news last week. Serious security threats from group(s) related to Al-Queada and yes I mispelled it on purpose.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: willbodine</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/bodacious-tatras/comment-page-1/#comment-96980</link>
		<dc:creator>willbodine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 20:02:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article Paul. Tatras are right up there in my automotive pantheon, with the Citroen DS and NSU RO 80. I remember first reading about them in Floyd Clymer&#039;s &quot;Treasury of Foreign Cars&quot; as a small boy. Never got to see one in the States. I was in Prague last September and there was an oldtimers car event through town on a beautiful Sunday afternoon. Lots of 50s Skodas (cute!) but no Tatras   ;-(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Great article Paul. Tatras are right up there in my automotive pantheon, with the Citroen DS and NSU RO 80. I remember first reading about them in Floyd Clymer&#8217;s &#8220;Treasury of Foreign Cars&#8221; as a small boy. Never got to see one in the States. I was in Prague last September and there was an oldtimers car event through town on a beautiful Sunday afternoon. Lots of 50s Skodas (cute!) but no Tatras   ;-(<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: supremebrougham</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/bodacious-tatras/comment-page-1/#comment-96943</link>
		<dc:creator>supremebrougham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 06:40:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like to think that I know a fair amount of automotive history, but I had never heard of Tatra until today, so thanks for sharing! I watched the Happy Journey videos several times over today and sent the link to a friend of mine. I told him that maybe we should have plates made for the front of our cars that read &quot;Happy Journey&quot;. He said, &quot;But no one would probably get the reference&quot; and I said &quot;That&#039;s the whole point!&quot; :P

Thank you for continuing to share your thoughts and stories here with us. I look forward to each one and have yet to be disappointed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->I like to think that I know a fair amount of automotive history, but I had never heard of Tatra until today, so thanks for sharing! I watched the Happy Journey videos several times over today and sent the link to a friend of mine. I told him that maybe we should have plates made for the front of our cars that read &#8220;Happy Journey&#8221;. He said, &#8220;But no one would probably get the reference&#8221; and I said &#8220;That&#8217;s the whole point!&#8221; :P</p>
<p>Thank you for continuing to share your thoughts and stories here with us. I look forward to each one and have yet to be disappointed.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: joeaverage</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/bodacious-tatras/comment-page-1/#comment-96935</link>
		<dc:creator>joeaverage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 04:38:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Lane Motor Museum in Nashville, TN has SEVERAL Tatras. We even got a ride in one similar to the silver one pictured in the article! 

NEAT cars... 

I&#039;ll never be able to afford one so I&#039;ll stick with my &#039;65 Beetle (Heinz-57 Edition), &#039;78 VW Westy (Corvair implanted), and dream of being able to own a Flxible Clipper coach... All in due time...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->The Lane Motor Museum in Nashville, TN has SEVERAL Tatras. We even got a ride in one similar to the silver one pictured in the article! </p>
<p>NEAT cars&#8230; </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll never be able to afford one so I&#8217;ll stick with my &#8216;65 Beetle (Heinz-57 Edition), &#8216;78 VW Westy (Corvair implanted), and dream of being able to own a Flxible Clipper coach&#8230; All in due time&#8230;<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: HEATHROI</title>
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		<dc:creator>HEATHROI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 04:30:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>why have a nice quite clean diesel in a modern version? Hell no only a Porsche GT3 motor would be good enough. In fact if Porsche are doing a sedan, a modern version of this would go down very nicely</description>
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		<title>By: Ingvar</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/bodacious-tatras/comment-page-1/#comment-96895</link>
		<dc:creator>Ingvar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 20:50:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Tatra T77 is my holy grail. I want one. I need one. Badly. There&#039;s not enough cars equipped with tailfins today, that&#039;s for sure. Batman, here I come.</description>
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		<title>By: David Holzman</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Holzman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 20:17:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I second that. I also found the Cd fascinating. This is wonderful stuff. the 619 is gorgeous. I first encountered Tatras in Czechoslovakia in 1966. The next time, at the Rockville (MD) annual car show 1993. There were four of them there that year, I think. And finally, at last year&#039;s annual citroen rally in Saratoga Springs, NY. Tatra 603 happy journeys is a hoot.</description>
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		<title>By: frontline</title>
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		<dc:creator>frontline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 18:10:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the first I `ve heard of the lawsuit between Tatra and VW and I never put together the Tucker/Tatra body style thing. That was really interesting!</description>
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		<title>By: storminvormin</title>
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		<dc:creator>storminvormin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 16:44:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Long live the Ass-engined Kafka car!

Thanks Paul.</description>
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		<title>By: Steven Lang</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven Lang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 16:15:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just wrote an email to RF about writing a &#039;Blast From The Past&#039; every couple of weeks. 

Now that I&#039;m reading your recent ditty all I can say is... never mind!

Great work Paul. Keep up with this and I&#039;ll have to find you an agent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->I just wrote an email to RF about writing a &#8216;Blast From The Past&#8217; every couple of weeks. </p>
<p>Now that I&#8217;m reading your recent ditty all I can say is&#8230; never mind!</p>
<p>Great work Paul. Keep up with this and I&#8217;ll have to find you an agent.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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