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		<title>By: fallout11</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/bio-fuels-boondoggle-backfires-badly/comment-page-1/#comment-67212</link>
		<dc:creator>fallout11</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 19:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Classic tragedy of the commons unfolding before our eyes yet again.....internalizes and privatize the benefits, externalize and socialize the costs.
&quot;We had to destroy the village to save it.&quot;</description>
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		<title>By: dean</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/bio-fuels-boondoggle-backfires-badly/comment-page-1/#comment-67107</link>
		<dc:creator>dean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2007 20:42:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And one more thing.  Of course biofuels are popular in the midwest.  Everyone there is getting rich planting corn at subsidized prices! Talk about biting the hand that feeds... of course they&#039;re on board with it.</description>
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		<title>By: dean</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/bio-fuels-boondoggle-backfires-badly/comment-page-1/#comment-67106</link>
		<dc:creator>dean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2007 20:40:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>97escort: You do realize, of course, that this is a news blog item, and RF is quoting another source?

Please allow us, the readers, to crap all over biofuel production.  You needn&#039;t target this site.  Anyone with half a brain, and a rudimentary understanding of energy ROI, knows that at present, and for the foreseeable future, biofuels are a subsidized waste of energy.</description>
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<p>Please allow us, the readers, to crap all over biofuel production.  You needn&#8217;t target this site.  Anyone with half a brain, and a rudimentary understanding of energy ROI, knows that at present, and for the foreseeable future, biofuels are a subsidized waste of energy.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Stein X Leikanger</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/bio-fuels-boondoggle-backfires-badly/comment-page-1/#comment-67077</link>
		<dc:creator>Stein X Leikanger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2007 23:04:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@MX5bob

For sheer lunacy, consider an abbreviated list of products made with petroleum. Right now, we&#039;re burning that resource in an extremely inefficient manner, to pick up grocery.

Products Made from Oil

 Ink 	 Dishwashing liquids 	 Paint brushes 	 Telephones
 Toys 	 Unbreakable dishes 	 Insecticides 	 Antiseptics
 Dolls 	 Car sound insulation 	 Fishing lures 	 Deodorant
 Tires 	 Motorcycle helmets 	 Linoleum 	 Sweaters
 Tents 	 Refrigerator linings 	 Paint rollers 	 Floor wax
 Shoes 	 Electrician&#039;s tape 	 Plastic wood 	 Model cars
Glue 	 Roller-skate wheels 	 Trash bags 	 Soap dishes
 Skis 	 Permanent press clothes 	 Hand lotion 	 Clothesline
 Dyes 	 Soft contact lenses 	 Shampoo 	 Panty hose
 Cameras 	 Food preservatives 	 Fishing rods 	 Oil filters
 Combs 	 Transparent tape 	 Anesthetics 	 Upholstery
 Dice 	 Disposable diapers 	 TV cabinets 	 Cassettes
 Mops 	 Sports car bodies 	 Salad bowls 	 House paint
 Purses 	 Electric blankets 	 Awnings 	 Ammonia
 Dresses 	 Car battery cases 	 Safety glass 	 Hair curlers
 Pajamas 	 Synthetic rubber 	 VCR tapes 	 Eyeglasses
 Pillows 	 Vitamin capsules 	 Movie film 	 Ice chests
 Candles 	 Rubbing alcohol 	 Loudspeakers 	 Ice buckets
 Boats 	 Ice cube trays 	 Credit cards 	 Fertilizers
 Crayons 	 Insect repellent 	 Water pipes 	 Toilet seats
 Caulking 	 Roofing shingles 	 Fishing boots 	 Life jackets
 Balloons 	 Shower curtains 	 Garden hose 	 Golf balls
 Curtains 	 Plywood adhesive 	 Umbrellas 	 Detergents
 Milk jugs 	 Beach umbrellas 	 Rubber cement 	 Sun glasses
 Putty 	 Faucet washers 	 Cold cream 	 Bandages
 Tool racks 	 Antihistamines 	 Hair coloring 	 Nail polish
 Slacks 	 Drinking cups 	 Guitar strings 	 False teeth
 Yarn 	 Petroleum jelly 	Toothpaste 	 Golf bags
 Roofing 	 Tennis rackets 	 Toothbrushes 	 Perfume
 Luggage 	 Wire insulation 	 Folding doors 	 Shoe polish
 Fan belts 	 Ballpoint pens 	 Shower doors 	 Cortisone
 Carpeting 	 Artificial turf 	 Heart valves 	 LP records
 Lipstick 	 Artificial limbs 	 Hearing aids 	 Vaporizers
 Aspirin 	 Shaving cream 	 Wading pools 	 Parachutes</description>
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<p>For sheer lunacy, consider an abbreviated list of products made with petroleum. Right now, we&#8217;re burning that resource in an extremely inefficient manner, to pick up grocery.</p>
<p>Products Made from Oil</p>
<p> Ink 	 Dishwashing liquids 	 Paint brushes 	 Telephones<br />
 Toys 	 Unbreakable dishes 	 Insecticides 	 Antiseptics<br />
 Dolls 	 Car sound insulation 	 Fishing lures 	 Deodorant<br />
 Tires 	 Motorcycle helmets 	 Linoleum 	 Sweaters<br />
 Tents 	 Refrigerator linings 	 Paint rollers 	 Floor wax<br />
 Shoes 	 Electrician&#8217;s tape 	 Plastic wood 	 Model cars<br />
Glue 	 Roller-skate wheels 	 Trash bags 	 Soap dishes<br />
 Skis 	 Permanent press clothes 	 Hand lotion 	 Clothesline<br />
 Dyes 	 Soft contact lenses 	 Shampoo 	 Panty hose<br />
 Cameras 	 Food preservatives 	 Fishing rods 	 Oil filters<br />
 Combs 	 Transparent tape 	 Anesthetics 	 Upholstery<br />
 Dice 	 Disposable diapers 	 TV cabinets 	 Cassettes<br />
 Mops 	 Sports car bodies 	 Salad bowls 	 House paint<br />
 Purses 	 Electric blankets 	 Awnings 	 Ammonia<br />
 Dresses 	 Car battery cases 	 Safety glass 	 Hair curlers<br />
 Pajamas 	 Synthetic rubber 	 VCR tapes 	 Eyeglasses<br />
 Pillows 	 Vitamin capsules 	 Movie film 	 Ice chests<br />
 Candles 	 Rubbing alcohol 	 Loudspeakers 	 Ice buckets<br />
 Boats 	 Ice cube trays 	 Credit cards 	 Fertilizers<br />
 Crayons 	 Insect repellent 	 Water pipes 	 Toilet seats<br />
 Caulking 	 Roofing shingles 	 Fishing boots 	 Life jackets<br />
 Balloons 	 Shower curtains 	 Garden hose 	 Golf balls<br />
 Curtains 	 Plywood adhesive 	 Umbrellas 	 Detergents<br />
 Milk jugs 	 Beach umbrellas 	 Rubber cement 	 Sun glasses<br />
 Putty 	 Faucet washers 	 Cold cream 	 Bandages<br />
 Tool racks 	 Antihistamines 	 Hair coloring 	 Nail polish<br />
 Slacks 	 Drinking cups 	 Guitar strings 	 False teeth<br />
 Yarn 	 Petroleum jelly 	Toothpaste 	 Golf bags<br />
 Roofing 	 Tennis rackets 	 Toothbrushes 	 Perfume<br />
 Luggage 	 Wire insulation 	 Folding doors 	 Shoe polish<br />
 Fan belts 	 Ballpoint pens 	 Shower doors 	 Cortisone<br />
 Carpeting 	 Artificial turf 	 Heart valves 	 LP records<br />
 Lipstick 	 Artificial limbs 	 Hearing aids 	 Vaporizers<br />
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		<title>By: MX5bob</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/bio-fuels-boondoggle-backfires-badly/comment-page-1/#comment-67055</link>
		<dc:creator>MX5bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2007 18:01:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The sheer lunacy of destroying a biosphere to create farms to produce something that will then be burned as a fuel defies all reason.</description>
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		<title>By: shaker</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/bio-fuels-boondoggle-backfires-badly/comment-page-1/#comment-67035</link>
		<dc:creator>shaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2007 12:53:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see the invisible hand of ADM here -- the next ill-advised headlong rush to short-term profits will leave its mark, and divert us from the true solutions (once again).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->I see the invisible hand of ADM here &#8212; the next ill-advised headlong rush to short-term profits will leave its mark, and divert us from the true solutions (once again).<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: jthorner</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/bio-fuels-boondoggle-backfires-badly/comment-page-1/#comment-67019</link>
		<dc:creator>jthorner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2007 06:35:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Burning your food for fuel is rarely a smart idea, yet that is exactly what the present ethanol craze amounts to.</description>
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		<title>By: Engineer</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/bio-fuels-boondoggle-backfires-badly/comment-page-1/#comment-66996</link>
		<dc:creator>Engineer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 23:27:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;No more universal freedom to move about at will to wherever one’s heart may desire.&lt;/i&gt;
Oh the freedom will still be there. It&#039;s just that at $10/gal you&#039;d be a lot more selective in how you use it.

Prepare to get smacked by the invisible hand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><i>No more universal freedom to move about at will to wherever one’s heart may desire.</i><br />
Oh the freedom will still be there. It&#8217;s just that at $10/gal you&#8217;d be a lot more selective in how you use it.</p>
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		<title>By: 68stang</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/bio-fuels-boondoggle-backfires-badly/comment-page-1/#comment-66992</link>
		<dc:creator>68stang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 23:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We are reaching the tipping point pretty fast here. People are expecting to just go to the same gas station and fill up whatever type of vehicle they&#039;re driving now with bio-fuel and have a clean conscience. But its not going to be that simple. I&#039;m lucky enough to live in a rainforest region (BC) and nothing good can come from cutting down these types of trees.</description>
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		<title>By: Jeff in NH</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/bio-fuels-boondoggle-backfires-badly/comment-page-1/#comment-66986</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff in NH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 22:12:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stein has it right...in the medium-term future (15-30 years hence) energy for personal mobility will still be available, but only affordable to the wealthiest classes in society.  No more universal freedom to move about at will to wherever one&#039;s heart may desire.  Either the politicians make courageous decisions at the expense of their career longevity, or North America is going to devolve into one hell of an angry, resentful, and exceedingly violent place.  Those courageous decisions include strategic investments in sustainable long-distance rail, and more importantly, a complete revision of urban planning to ensure home and work are within walking or cycling distance, with all the pedestrian-oriented infrastructure that goes along with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Stein has it right&#8230;in the medium-term future (15-30 years hence) energy for personal mobility will still be available, but only affordable to the wealthiest classes in society.  No more universal freedom to move about at will to wherever one&#8217;s heart may desire.  Either the politicians make courageous decisions at the expense of their career longevity, or North America is going to devolve into one hell of an angry, resentful, and exceedingly violent place.  Those courageous decisions include strategic investments in sustainable long-distance rail, and more importantly, a complete revision of urban planning to ensure home and work are within walking or cycling distance, with all the pedestrian-oriented infrastructure that goes along with it.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Hippo</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/bio-fuels-boondoggle-backfires-badly/comment-page-1/#comment-66972</link>
		<dc:creator>Hippo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 19:48:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What no one will mention is that the people that get the tax subsidies could care less if the world burns.
And they hold primaries there.</description>
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		<title>By: carlisimo</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/bio-fuels-boondoggle-backfires-badly/comment-page-1/#comment-66960</link>
		<dc:creator>carlisimo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 18:46:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought this was old news.  It&#039;s intuitive, anyway - the &quot;burn&quot; part of &quot;slash and burn&quot; is absolutely terrible, and you&#039;re never going to get a denser form of carbon sequestration than those trees.  Which aren&#039;t that good for use in wood products.  And are good for finding medicines in, and for rain.</description>
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		<title>By: Stein X Leikanger</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/bio-fuels-boondoggle-backfires-badly/comment-page-1/#comment-66959</link>
		<dc:creator>Stein X Leikanger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 18:44:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Engineer

&lt;em&gt;The bio-fuels thing is not that simple, though. As I see it, there are three potential sources of feedstock for making biofuels:
1. Food crops.
2. Non-food crops.
3. Waste.&lt;/em&gt;

Completely agree, we&#039;ve got hold of the wrong end - but it&#039;s what was politically expedient. Politicians buying votes by placating powerful lobbies who&#039;re always on the lookout for farming subsidies. With increasing limitations enforced through WTO agreements it&#039;s become harder and harder to transfer federal monies as farming subsidies. But by showing to the need to develop alternative fuels, in view of the potential disruptions of a peak oil scenario, all limits are off here. Voters should be outraged, but we&#039;re being conned by our willingness to do &quot;what&#039;s good for the environment&quot; and on the surface bio-fuels seem like &quot;have your cake and eat it too.&quot; 

Yes, there are substances that can be converted into fuel, from non food crops, wood chips, etc. Waste management processes can contribute significantly. They&#039;re there, ready for the taking. 

Yet we should always ask: are we getting substantially more caloric energy out of it than we consumed in the making?

As I wrote above, the business opportunities here are staggering, in a multitude of areas - and Detroit could vindicate itself by advancing serious proposals as to how the infrastructure must be changed to accommodate an energy lean future.

I see ourselves having to approach energy consumption for automotion with the same keen eye that rocket engineers apply to their designs. Every single calorie is accounted for, and there for a purpose -- and the shell of the rocket is whittled to the bone, to do exactly what it is supposed to do. (The side panels of the large Saturn rockets were wafer thin, yet had the structural integrity required of them.)

If the moon shot rockets had been built the way we build cars they would never have gotten off the pad.</description>
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<p><em>The bio-fuels thing is not that simple, though. As I see it, there are three potential sources of feedstock for making biofuels:<br />
1. Food crops.<br />
2. Non-food crops.<br />
3. Waste.</em></p>
<p>Completely agree, we&#8217;ve got hold of the wrong end &#8211; but it&#8217;s what was politically expedient. Politicians buying votes by placating powerful lobbies who&#8217;re always on the lookout for farming subsidies. With increasing limitations enforced through WTO agreements it&#8217;s become harder and harder to transfer federal monies as farming subsidies. But by showing to the need to develop alternative fuels, in view of the potential disruptions of a peak oil scenario, all limits are off here. Voters should be outraged, but we&#8217;re being conned by our willingness to do &#8220;what&#8217;s good for the environment&#8221; and on the surface bio-fuels seem like &#8220;have your cake and eat it too.&#8221; </p>
<p>Yes, there are substances that can be converted into fuel, from non food crops, wood chips, etc. Waste management processes can contribute significantly. They&#8217;re there, ready for the taking. </p>
<p>Yet we should always ask: are we getting substantially more caloric energy out of it than we consumed in the making?</p>
<p>As I wrote above, the business opportunities here are staggering, in a multitude of areas &#8211; and Detroit could vindicate itself by advancing serious proposals as to how the infrastructure must be changed to accommodate an energy lean future.</p>
<p>I see ourselves having to approach energy consumption for automotion with the same keen eye that rocket engineers apply to their designs. Every single calorie is accounted for, and there for a purpose &#8212; and the shell of the rocket is whittled to the bone, to do exactly what it is supposed to do. (The side panels of the large Saturn rockets were wafer thin, yet had the structural integrity required of them.)</p>
<p>If the moon shot rockets had been built the way we build cars they would never have gotten off the pad.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Engineer</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/bio-fuels-boondoggle-backfires-badly/comment-page-1/#comment-66948</link>
		<dc:creator>Engineer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:59:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I nominate Stein X Leikanger to testify before Congress next time the discuss (their hare-brained version of) Energy legislation.

The bio-fuels thing is not that simple, though. As I see it, there are three potential sources of feedstock for making biofuels:
1. Food crops.
2. Non-food crops.
3. Waste.

Looking at that list, where should we be starting? Thanks to our leadership politicains we are starting at the opposite end of the list. Your tax dollars at work!

Oh, and yes, there actually are technologies out there that do the waste-&gt;fuel thing. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.choren.com/en/biomass_to_energy/carbo-v_technology/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The German company CHOREN&lt;/a&gt; is building a ~4,500 bbl/d plant in Freiberg. Cool animation, too. In Cartage, MO there is a 500 bbl/d plant that converts the inedible parts of turkeys into diesel (not biodiesel with its inferior properties, especially at low temparatures, the real McCoy). Unfortunately, &lt;a href=&quot;http://changingworldtech.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the company selling the technology&lt;/a&gt; over-promised and under-delivered. But it remains a great showpiece of what can be done (right here in the US of A), without Uncle Sam&#039;s help. Great proof of concept.

Even the evil maniacs at &lt;a href=&quot;http://futuresnews.org/markets/conocophillips-tyson-fuel-from-fat-4/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Big Oil wants a piece of this&lt;/a&gt;. But &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/business/energy/5032166.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the Dems won&#039;t have any of that&lt;/a&gt; - go figure. I guess we can&#039;t allow Big Oil to redeem itself - who are we going to blame when gas goes to $4/gal?

Unfortunately the politicians are only interested in following the easy votes that goes with corn subsidies (see the renewal of ag subsidies and Nancy&#039;s &lt;i&gt;almost&lt;/i&gt; reform of it).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->I nominate Stein X Leikanger to testify before Congress next time the discuss (their hare-brained version of) Energy legislation.</p>
<p>The bio-fuels thing is not that simple, though. As I see it, there are three potential sources of feedstock for making biofuels:<br />
1. Food crops.<br />
2. Non-food crops.<br />
3. Waste.</p>
<p>Looking at that list, where should we be starting? Thanks to our leadership politicains we are starting at the opposite end of the list. Your tax dollars at work!</p>
<p>Oh, and yes, there actually are technologies out there that do the waste-&gt;fuel thing. <a href="http://www.choren.com/en/biomass_to_energy/carbo-v_technology/" rel="nofollow">The German company CHOREN</a> is building a ~4,500 bbl/d plant in Freiberg. Cool animation, too. In Cartage, MO there is a 500 bbl/d plant that converts the inedible parts of turkeys into diesel (not biodiesel with its inferior properties, especially at low temparatures, the real McCoy). Unfortunately, <a href="http://changingworldtech.com/" rel="nofollow">the company selling the technology</a> over-promised and under-delivered. But it remains a great showpiece of what can be done (right here in the US of A), without Uncle Sam&#8217;s help. Great proof of concept.</p>
<p>Even the evil maniacs at <a href="http://futuresnews.org/markets/conocophillips-tyson-fuel-from-fat-4/" rel="nofollow">Big Oil wants a piece of this</a>. But <a href="http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/business/energy/5032166.html" rel="nofollow">the Dems won&#8217;t have any of that</a> &#8211; go figure. I guess we can&#8217;t allow Big Oil to redeem itself &#8211; who are we going to blame when gas goes to $4/gal?</p>
<p>Unfortunately the politicians are only interested in following the easy votes that goes with corn subsidies (see the renewal of ag subsidies and Nancy&#8217;s <i>almost</i> reform of it).<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: lewissalem</title>
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		<dc:creator>lewissalem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:01:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Bio-fuels are comparable to pissing in your pants to keep warm in mid-winter&quot;

-Stein X Leikanger

Nice!

I think the average consumer needs to be aware so we can expose this biofuel hoopla for what it is, a PR stunt.  As soon as the price of Virginia Lighting doubles, Bubba ain&#039;t gonna fill the ol&#039; Ford with e85.</description>
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<p>-Stein X Leikanger</p>
<p>Nice!</p>
<p>I think the average consumer needs to be aware so we can expose this biofuel hoopla for what it is, a PR stunt.  As soon as the price of Virginia Lighting doubles, Bubba ain&#8217;t gonna fill the ol&#8217; Ford with e85.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Robert Schwartz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Schwartz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 16:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2007/08/14/eaorang114.xml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; &quot;Orang-utans home destroyed for bio-diesel&quot; by Thomas Bell in Central Borneo at Telegraph.com on  14/08/2007&lt;/a&gt;:

As jungles are rapidly replaced by palm oil plantations, the great apes starve and are hunted, mutilated, burnt and snared by workers protecting their crops. At a rehabilitation centre run by the charity Borneo Orang-utan Survival, there are more than 600, mostly orphaned babies. ...
 	
&quot;The plantation workers beat them because they want to catch them and the only way you can catch an orang-utan is to knock it unconscious.&quot;

... In 2004 there were 37,000 living on Borneo and the only other wild population is around 7,000 on the neighbouring island of Sumatra. The palm oil crisis struck central Borneo in 2003, shortly after the Indonesian government declared it wanted to become the world&#039;s biggest producer.

In 2004 a &quot;master plan&quot; was unveiled to create 40,000 square miles of plantations by 2010. Campaigners say 70 per cent of the plantations will replace existing forests. ...

With the world desperate for &quot;green&quot; fuels, demand for palm oil, which is used in bio-diesel, is guaranteed to increase. According to European legislation two per cent of all diesel must be vegetable oil, rising to 5.7 per cent in 2010 and 10 per cent by 2020.

But in the areas where palm oil is produced, environmental concerns barely register with government authorities or the companies they licence. Global prices are rising and there is big money at stake. ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2007/08/14/eaorang114.xml" rel="nofollow"> &#8220;Orang-utans home destroyed for bio-diesel&#8221; by Thomas Bell in Central Borneo at Telegraph.com on  14/08/2007</a>:</p>
<p>As jungles are rapidly replaced by palm oil plantations, the great apes starve and are hunted, mutilated, burnt and snared by workers protecting their crops. At a rehabilitation centre run by the charity Borneo Orang-utan Survival, there are more than 600, mostly orphaned babies. &#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;The plantation workers beat them because they want to catch them and the only way you can catch an orang-utan is to knock it unconscious.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230; In 2004 there were 37,000 living on Borneo and the only other wild population is around 7,000 on the neighbouring island of Sumatra. The palm oil crisis struck central Borneo in 2003, shortly after the Indonesian government declared it wanted to become the world&#8217;s biggest producer.</p>
<p>In 2004 a &#8220;master plan&#8221; was unveiled to create 40,000 square miles of plantations by 2010. Campaigners say 70 per cent of the plantations will replace existing forests. &#8230;</p>
<p>With the world desperate for &#8220;green&#8221; fuels, demand for palm oil, which is used in bio-diesel, is guaranteed to increase. According to European legislation two per cent of all diesel must be vegetable oil, rising to 5.7 per cent in 2010 and 10 per cent by 2020.</p>
<p>But in the areas where palm oil is produced, environmental concerns barely register with government authorities or the companies they licence. Global prices are rising and there is big money at stake. &#8230;<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: guyincognito</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 16:15:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Insensitive?  How can you say that? When I sank everything I had into buying that 1,000 acres of Brazilian rainforest. 

Then I had it slashed and burned so we could build our dream house.

Insensitive? Do you know how hard it is to displace an entire tribe? You try it sometime!</description>
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<p>Then I had it slashed and burned so we could build our dream house.</p>
<p>Insensitive? Do you know how hard it is to displace an entire tribe? You try it sometime!<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Stein X Leikanger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stein X Leikanger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 14:09:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Madness, absolute madness.
Bio-fuels are comparable to pissing in your pants to keep warm in mid-winter, and as the above shows (as do a lot of other negatives) we should pull the brakes on this solution.

Politicians are afraid of telling people the truth, and are desperately seeking alternatives that will make it possible to avoid forcing reality upon their voters:
100 cushy years of motive energy abundance are coming to an end, and fast -- and since our societies are built upon the availability of cheap motive energy, we are headed for some serious transformations, and the politicians do not want to own up, since doing so will saddle them with the blame: why didn&#039;t you foresee this?

The solution isn&#039;t bio-fuels (which must be ranked as the most hare-brained proposal yet, even outdoing the speedy gonzales Tesla Roadster). The real solution lies in restructuring our transportation from the ground up - there&#039;s tremendous profit opportunities in this, and Detroit could leap a generation if it was willing to start facing the future, and stopped applying the solutions of the past.

We once went from horse and buggy to personal transport with internal combustion engine automobiles; now we have to accept a give-and-take when it comes to where and how we can enjoy that kind of personal transport freedom, and where we&#039;re going to have to accept more energy efficient, collective solutions for travel over longer distances.

And this isn&#039;t a &quot;you&#039;ll have to wrest my car keys from my cold dead fingers&quot; thing. Reality is coming at us and will strike with the force of hard granite.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Madness, absolute madness.<br />
Bio-fuels are comparable to pissing in your pants to keep warm in mid-winter, and as the above shows (as do a lot of other negatives) we should pull the brakes on this solution.</p>
<p>Politicians are afraid of telling people the truth, and are desperately seeking alternatives that will make it possible to avoid forcing reality upon their voters:<br />
100 cushy years of motive energy abundance are coming to an end, and fast &#8212; and since our societies are built upon the availability of cheap motive energy, we are headed for some serious transformations, and the politicians do not want to own up, since doing so will saddle them with the blame: why didn&#8217;t you foresee this?</p>
<p>The solution isn&#8217;t bio-fuels (which must be ranked as the most hare-brained proposal yet, even outdoing the speedy gonzales Tesla Roadster). The real solution lies in restructuring our transportation from the ground up &#8211; there&#8217;s tremendous profit opportunities in this, and Detroit could leap a generation if it was willing to start facing the future, and stopped applying the solutions of the past.</p>
<p>We once went from horse and buggy to personal transport with internal combustion engine automobiles; now we have to accept a give-and-take when it comes to where and how we can enjoy that kind of personal transport freedom, and where we&#8217;re going to have to accept more energy efficient, collective solutions for travel over longer distances.</p>
<p>And this isn&#8217;t a &#8220;you&#8217;ll have to wrest my car keys from my cold dead fingers&#8221; thing. Reality is coming at us and will strike with the force of hard granite.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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