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	<title>Comments on: Bailout Watch 321: UAW Boss: &#8220;GM, Chrysler May Not Need More Bailout Bucks&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Banned User</title>
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		<dc:creator>Banned User</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 05:58:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kinda ironic that the UAW is a spawn of FDR&#039;s New Deal.

This is just a delaying tactic till Obama is President.  And really so much worry about a few tens of billions that will be hardely noticed in the trillion dollar stimulus package.

The Obama New Deal like FDR&#039;s New Deal is sure to favour unions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Kinda ironic that the UAW is a spawn of FDR&#8217;s New Deal.</p>
<p>This is just a delaying tactic till Obama is President.  And really so much worry about a few tens of billions that will be hardely noticed in the trillion dollar stimulus package.</p>
<p>The Obama New Deal like FDR&#8217;s New Deal is sure to favour unions.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Luther</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luther</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 04:51:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The UAW is a government created (Via the Fascist 1934 Wagner Act...UAW created in 1935) and protected (Via gun-backed laws and jails)  criminal mob...It is the government&#039;s mini-me.

Gettelfinger is a lying thieving mobster no different than Clinton/Bush/Obama...He IS the government&#039;s &quot;car czar&quot;...Note how Gettelfinger speaks as if he owns 2.801...The UAW controls 2.801 using threats of government violence but the shareholders (rightful owners) actually own 2.801.

2.801 is bankrupt...With goonish parasites like Gettelfinger, what would you expect? What competent Executive would ever work in a unionized industry? Wagoner is the best you will get.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->The UAW is a government created (Via the Fascist 1934 Wagner Act&#8230;UAW created in 1935) and protected (Via gun-backed laws and jails)  criminal mob&#8230;It is the government&#8217;s mini-me.</p>
<p>Gettelfinger is a lying thieving mobster no different than Clinton/Bush/Obama&#8230;He IS the government&#8217;s &#8220;car czar&#8221;&#8230;Note how Gettelfinger speaks as if he owns 2.801&#8230;The UAW controls 2.801 using threats of government violence but the shareholders (rightful owners) actually own 2.801.</p>
<p>2.801 is bankrupt&#8230;With goonish parasites like Gettelfinger, what would you expect? What competent Executive would ever work in a unionized industry? Wagoner is the best you will get.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Landcrusher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Landcrusher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 04:10:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pete,
I actually saw some blackadder even before I went to Canada. I got a bit tired of it by they time they hit the 1st world war though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Pete,<br />
I actually saw some blackadder even before I went to Canada. I got a bit tired of it by they time they hit the 1st world war though.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: nonce</title>
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		<dc:creator>nonce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 03:31:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Their worst case scenario was 10.5 million?  Aren&#039;t we at 10.4 million already?  Bueller?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Their worst case scenario was 10.5 million?  Aren&#8217;t we at 10.4 million already?  Bueller?<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: esg</title>
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		<dc:creator>esg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 02:59:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How does someone like Gettelfinger look in the mirror (especially when only wearing underwear, perhaps while shaving-except for that porn mustache) and admire what they see?  I guess the only thing Gettelfinger may admire in the mirror is that fake bulge in his underwear.  I just don&#039;t see how lowlifes get to a position of authority like he has.  I just don&#039;t get it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->How does someone like Gettelfinger look in the mirror (especially when only wearing underwear, perhaps while shaving-except for that porn mustache) and admire what they see?  I guess the only thing Gettelfinger may admire in the mirror is that fake bulge in his underwear.  I just don&#8217;t see how lowlifes get to a position of authority like he has.  I just don&#8217;t get it.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Packard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Packard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 02:41:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gettlefinger is being dishonest with his own people.  He&#039;s pretending that they have a future.  They haven&#039;t.

His problem is that he can&#039;t bring himself to choose.  He has all of those retirees for whom there are pots of gold at the end of the retirement rainbow, and which are a huge part of GM&#039;s problem.  GM can&#039;t be productively profitable as long as it is paying those people who are totally unproductive.  May not be fair, but it certainly is true.

On the other hand, if Gettlefinger doesn&#039;t dump those old folks, there&#039;s going to be no company at which the the current members will be employed.

Gettlefinger is basically hoping that the government will socialize the company.  He doesn&#039;t care what it produces, or if it produces.  He only cares about not having to chose between current and past UAW members.

In other words, he wants his cake and to eat it, too.

Only the government can afford to pay that bill, so he&#039;s going to pretend that none of this is in any way the UAW&#039;s doing, stonewall and stall, and eventually expect the government to take over the entire company, in fact, if not in name.

The one thing that every GM president since Harlowe Curtice has failed to do is break the union.  When GM had the money to take a strike, it didn&#039;t feel the need.  By the time the need was evident, it didn&#039;t have the money to afford a strike that would actually win them something.

Wagoner deserves a lot of the criticism he&#039;s received.  But, a lot of what he&#039;s failed to do is a function of what others failed to do before him.  Both Gettlefinger and Wagoner have failed to think imaginatively.  But, given the cultures of their respective organizations, it&#039;s doubtful that it would have mattered.

Roger Smith tried to think outside of that culture, and was crucified for it, both from within GM and by the UAW rank and file.

That was GM&#039;s last chance.

The UAW&#039;s, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Gettlefinger is being dishonest with his own people.  He&#8217;s pretending that they have a future.  They haven&#8217;t.</p>
<p>His problem is that he can&#8217;t bring himself to choose.  He has all of those retirees for whom there are pots of gold at the end of the retirement rainbow, and which are a huge part of GM&#8217;s problem.  GM can&#8217;t be productively profitable as long as it is paying those people who are totally unproductive.  May not be fair, but it certainly is true.</p>
<p>On the other hand, if Gettlefinger doesn&#8217;t dump those old folks, there&#8217;s going to be no company at which the the current members will be employed.</p>
<p>Gettlefinger is basically hoping that the government will socialize the company.  He doesn&#8217;t care what it produces, or if it produces.  He only cares about not having to chose between current and past UAW members.</p>
<p>In other words, he wants his cake and to eat it, too.</p>
<p>Only the government can afford to pay that bill, so he&#8217;s going to pretend that none of this is in any way the UAW&#8217;s doing, stonewall and stall, and eventually expect the government to take over the entire company, in fact, if not in name.</p>
<p>The one thing that every GM president since Harlowe Curtice has failed to do is break the union.  When GM had the money to take a strike, it didn&#8217;t feel the need.  By the time the need was evident, it didn&#8217;t have the money to afford a strike that would actually win them something.</p>
<p>Wagoner deserves a lot of the criticism he&#8217;s received.  But, a lot of what he&#8217;s failed to do is a function of what others failed to do before him.  Both Gettlefinger and Wagoner have failed to think imaginatively.  But, given the cultures of their respective organizations, it&#8217;s doubtful that it would have mattered.</p>
<p>Roger Smith tried to think outside of that culture, and was crucified for it, both from within GM and by the UAW rank and file.</p>
<p>That was GM&#8217;s last chance.</p>
<p>The UAW&#8217;s, too.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: kars</title>
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		<dc:creator>kars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 02:04:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Make no mistake: Ron’s statement is part of a calculated plan to avoid making any concessions during the federally-mandated negotiations to reduce his members’ pay and benefits.&quot;

that&#039;s right - Ronny is doing his job - he is playing his cards to give him the best shot at success - why would you expect any less?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->&#8220;Make no mistake: Ron’s statement is part of a calculated plan to avoid making any concessions during the federally-mandated negotiations to reduce his members’ pay and benefits.&#8221;</p>
<p>that&#8217;s right &#8211; Ronny is doing his job &#8211; he is playing his cards to give him the best shot at success &#8211; why would you expect any less?<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: parbuster</title>
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		<dc:creator>parbuster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 01:28:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it is not called the &quot;if then&quot; close.  it is the &quot;if I could would you&quot; close.  you would be surprised on who it works on</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->it is not called the &#8220;if then&#8221; close.  it is the &#8220;if I could would you&#8221; close.  you would be surprised on who it works on<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: GS650G</title>
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		<dc:creator>GS650G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 01:15:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It IS fun to watch them duck responsibility for the mess while simultaneously making no concessions that make any difference. 

Masterful bullshit at it&#039;s finest, there is a reason Ron Pulmyfinger is the head of this union.

Why not make him Car Czar and CEO of all three so we can cut out the middle men and just send our tax dollars directly to the Union Hall Fund for Golf Studies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->It IS fun to watch them duck responsibility for the mess while simultaneously making no concessions that make any difference. </p>
<p>Masterful bullshit at it&#8217;s finest, there is a reason Ron Pulmyfinger is the head of this union.</p>
<p>Why not make him Car Czar and CEO of all three so we can cut out the middle men and just send our tax dollars directly to the Union Hall Fund for Golf Studies.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: PeteMoran</title>
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		<dc:creator>PeteMoran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 01:10:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GM share price up again today. Maybe the UAW are selling having bought at $3 bucks. Pump and dump?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->GM share price up again today. Maybe the UAW are selling having bought at $3 bucks. Pump and dump?<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: golf4me</title>
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		<dc:creator>golf4me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 00:53:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“If we can get by without more money, that’s what we want to do,” Big Ron Gettelfinger told Automotive News. Ummm who&#039;s &quot;WE&quot;??? Is he now a CEO of a major automaker? Or, is he subconsciouly telling us that all those billions were really directly for the UAW brass and their cheezy-mustache minions...?? I wonder...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->“If we can get by without more money, that’s what we want to do,” Big Ron Gettelfinger told Automotive News. Ummm who&#8217;s &#8220;WE&#8221;??? Is he now a CEO of a major automaker? Or, is he subconsciouly telling us that all those billions were really directly for the UAW brass and their cheezy-mustache minions&#8230;?? I wonder&#8230;<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Tommy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tommy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 00:29:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Delusional much?  The UAW is in the best position to help (more than the bailout bucks, I&#039;d argue) and yet they won&#039;t do a thing?  Talk about the parasite killing its host - this is wackier than fiction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Delusional much?  The UAW is in the best position to help (more than the bailout bucks, I&#8217;d argue) and yet they won&#8217;t do a thing?  Talk about the parasite killing its host &#8211; this is wackier than fiction.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: PeteMoran</title>
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		<dc:creator>PeteMoran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 00:05:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Ron’s statement is part of a calculated plan&lt;/em&gt;

Like &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baldrick&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Baldrick&#039;s&lt;/a&gt; cunning plans?

(Not sure who will &quot;get&quot; this over there in the USA, but I float it anyway as a test).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><em>Ron’s statement is part of a calculated plan</em></p>
<p>Like <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baldrick" rel="nofollow">Baldrick&#8217;s</a> cunning plans?</p>
<p>(Not sure who will &#8220;get&#8221; this over there in the USA, but I float it anyway as a test).<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: vitek</title>
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		<dc:creator>vitek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 23:54:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I realize Ron probably has 8x10 glossies of Rick and Bob with the neighbor&#039;s cat, but is it even a little over the top for him to be telling the world what decisions the companies (not the UAW) will be making?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->I realize Ron probably has 8&#215;10 glossies of Rick and Bob with the neighbor&#8217;s cat, but is it even a little over the top for him to be telling the world what decisions the companies (not the UAW) will be making?<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Geo. Levecque</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geo. Levecque</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 23:30:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This head of the UAW didnt get to run this empire by making sense did he? Its sort of a weak defence in my mind and I agree  with Robert on this mode of operation, not too well planned imho!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->This head of the UAW didnt get to run this empire by making sense did he? Its sort of a weak defence in my mind and I agree  with Robert on this mode of operation, not too well planned imho!<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: BMW325I</title>
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		<dc:creator>BMW325I</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 23:19:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You mean management is selling off 1 of their 5 homes each to fund the company?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->You mean management is selling off 1 of their 5 homes each to fund the company?<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: porschespeed</title>
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		<dc:creator>porschespeed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 23:11:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t you know? GM and Chrysler and Ford all have plenty of money. They have it buried in an undisclosed location. Or something.

I do wonder WTF Mittelfinger was thinking dragging out nonsense like this now. I know the UAW always likes to pretend that the gravy train can keep going and that there&#039;s a second set of books to enable that to keep happening. 

But even a meatpuppet like Ron should know when to sitdown and STFU. Now is the time Ron. Really.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Don&#8217;t you know? GM and Chrysler and Ford all have plenty of money. They have it buried in an undisclosed location. Or something.</p>
<p>I do wonder WTF Mittelfinger was thinking dragging out nonsense like this now. I know the UAW always likes to pretend that the gravy train can keep going and that there&#8217;s a second set of books to enable that to keep happening. </p>
<p>But even a meatpuppet like Ron should know when to sitdown and STFU. Now is the time Ron. Really.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: no_slushbox</title>
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		<dc:creator>no_slushbox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 23:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have devised a brilliant &quot;private market&quot; plan.  GMAC will now be &quot;lending&quot; them all the money they need.</description>
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