Comments on: Bailout Watch 150: What’s Bad News for GM is Good News for GM

By: Runfromcheney

Runfromcheney — Thu, 06 Nov 2008 21:10:47 +0000

I will be satisfied if when they hand out the bailouts, every big three exec except for Jim Press, Bob Lutz, and Alan Mulally gets fired.

By: CarnotCycle

CarnotCycle — Thu, 06 Nov 2008 20:26:24 +0000

I wonder how long the rest of the world will continue to loan us cash to do idiotic things like prop up disasters like GM? Fact is, all this bail-out of the Ivy League Alumni gang is utterly dependent on Asians and Arabs lending poor Uncle Sam some coin.

What if the United States Treasury has its bond auction next week and no one shows up? Lady Liberty checks start bouncing like tots on a trampoline, that’s what. Only option at that point is to go down to the Federal Reserve and by law (!) command the Federal Reserve to buy these increasingly junk-like bonds. Of course the Fed doesn’t have any cash, so then they have to print some…ahhh, Zimbabwanomics. We’re fuc*ed.

By: joeaverage

joeaverage — Thu, 06 Nov 2008 19:33:31 +0000

They want to go broke to shed the unions and benefits packages.

By: slinkster

slinkster — Thu, 06 Nov 2008 18:23:48 +0000

All of this talk about the unions hamstringing GM begs the issue. If foreign manufacturers have such a pricing advantage over domestic manufacturers then switching to off-shore divisions would be called for. GM, for example, has had positions in Isuzu, Subaru, Suzuki (I believe), Daewoo, Holden, Fiat, Opel, Vauxhall and Saab. They build vehicles in South America and China. They assemble V-6 engines and other parts in China as well. Geez, they even cross-manufacture with Toyota, in the U.S.!

In other words, they have quite an extensive foreign portfolio of their own to draw on.

So I think all of this talk about unions is really a diversion to mask the real problem- bad products resulting from bad product decisions. As a matter of fact, I think that the real problem lies in an amazing statistic I had read a while back. Honda has 5 times the number of engineers that GM has!

No wonder the execs at GM would rather coast than develop new products. They may not have any other choice.

By: Kurt.

Kurt. — Thu, 06 Nov 2008 17:23:49 +0000

I knew someone would spin in “the perfect storm” analogy sooner or later…

By: jolo

jolo — Thu, 06 Nov 2008 15:56:51 +0000

The idiot Cole, who runs CAR, knows that the numbers are not that high. He knows that if they go under, his financing goes out the door with them and he’s out of a cushy job. He makes it sound worse than it is so that the automakers get bailed out. He’s looking out for his ass and could care less about the number of workers who could lose their jobs. He’s the son of a former exec at one of the auto companies. Guess where his priorities lie?

By: mikey610 (of GM)

mikey610 (of GM) — Thu, 06 Nov 2008 14:30:14 +0000

How can people take this CAR report seriously? Yes, any time the auto industry is involved you can multiply big numbers (jobs) by big numbers (salaries/wages) and you get huge (misleading) numbers…but this is a completely unrealistic scenario.

Companies that go Ch 11 do not simply go away one day and put people out on the street. They still employ people. Employees who are downsized/laid-off find other jobs…Companies restructure and actually make money (and maybe even pay taxes)

I would say I can’t believe anyone would take this CAR report seriously, but it IS the federal government we are talking about.

By: AJ

AJ — Thu, 06 Nov 2008 14:05:33 +0000

Besides the executives, to be fair we need to include the unions for their waste, corruption and worker intimidation as part of the problem. If I had billions of dollars, the last thing I would do is want to buy or finance a company that has the UAW around it’s neck.

By: Banned User

Banned User — Thu, 06 Nov 2008 13:59:11 +0000

The USA is also broke. What is $25 billion of soon to be monopoly money?

The government is seeing no more capital gains revenues, a large increase in unemployment is bubbling up and who is going to pay for that huge government bureaucracy?

As GM goes so Goes the Nation will prove to be prophetic.

By: TexN

TexN — Thu, 06 Nov 2008 13:53:20 +0000

The bailout is going to happen so I won’t waste time bemoaning that fact. I would hope/expect that the following is a part of the plan:
1) the replacement of the executives who created this mess
2) no bonuses, golden parachutes, etc. for remaining staff
3) loans must be repaid i.e. non-forgiveable
4) performance metrics so that progress can be measured

Even if these conditions are met (which I know WON’T happen), thousands and thousands of jobs will be lost. Oh yeah: and GM and/or Chrysler will STILL go bankrupt in 2-3 years.