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	<title>Comments on: Bailout Watch 122: McCain: Spend the First $25b, THEN We&#8217;ll Talk</title>
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		<title>By: Koblog</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/bailout-watch-122-mccain-to-detroit-spend-the-first-25b-then-well-talk/comment-page-1/#comment-893991</link>
		<dc:creator>Koblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 03:16:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How many here seriously believe Obama will save the U.S. car market?  Or give 95% of American workers a tax cut while simultaneously promising to raise every other conceivable tax? Or make Detroit an honest city? Or lower the ocean level? Or provide &quot;free&quot; health care?</description>
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		<title>By: psarhjinian</title>
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		<dc:creator>psarhjinian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 17:50:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;This is a website that once praised John McCain for telling Michigan voters that he “doesn’t believe government should bailout any industries. Period.” Why do we admire the quality of thinking in absolutist terms? Is that the elusive idea of having “principles?”&lt;/em&gt;

+1.  

I&#039;m glad you brought this up. I think this started when &quot;flip-flopping&quot; became a mortal political sin.  

It&#039;s part of a larger trend: it&#039;s no longer appropriate to take stock of one&#039;s situation and change direction, because it throws any decision you have or ever will make into question.  You show yourself as fallible, and are shortly made mincemeat of by absolutists.

It&#039;s also what&#039;s gotten a lot of corporations--GM comes to mind, but there are many others--into trouble.  They cannot, ever, admit that they might be wrong because of the liability issues that might arise, so instead they pile on the excuses, lies and harebrained strategies ever higher to stave off the eventual failure because the feel they have no choice.  Admitting that you have a problem is the first step to fixing it, but the current political/legal climate almost totally prevents a leader from making that kind of admission, thus forever chaining them to their current state, lest they be seen as weak, liable or a &quot;flip-flopper&quot;.

Meanwhile, you have people like Kat Watanabe admitting that, yes, Toyota has screwed up with regards to growth-versus-quality, and that they have plans in place to address it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><em>This is a website that once praised John McCain for telling Michigan voters that he “doesn’t believe government should bailout any industries. Period.” Why do we admire the quality of thinking in absolutist terms? Is that the elusive idea of having “principles?”</em></p>
<p>+1.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad you brought this up. I think this started when &#8220;flip-flopping&#8221; became a mortal political sin.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s part of a larger trend: it&#8217;s no longer appropriate to take stock of one&#8217;s situation and change direction, because it throws any decision you have or ever will make into question.  You show yourself as fallible, and are shortly made mincemeat of by absolutists.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also what&#8217;s gotten a lot of corporations&#8211;GM comes to mind, but there are many others&#8211;into trouble.  They cannot, ever, admit that they might be wrong because of the liability issues that might arise, so instead they pile on the excuses, lies and harebrained strategies ever higher to stave off the eventual failure because the feel they have no choice.  Admitting that you have a problem is the first step to fixing it, but the current political/legal climate almost totally prevents a leader from making that kind of admission, thus forever chaining them to their current state, lest they be seen as weak, liable or a &#8220;flip-flopper&#8221;.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, you have people like Kat Watanabe admitting that, yes, Toyota has screwed up with regards to growth-versus-quality, and that they have plans in place to address it.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Qusus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Qusus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 14:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah conservatives have been jumping off the McCain/Palin bandwagon like it&#039;s on fire.

However, while I agree that many fiscal conservatives have left the Republican Party, the most on the list of people you mentioned are not endorsing Obama based on any specific policy position. 

Most of them have cited issues such as McCain choice of Palin, the campaign&#039;s focus on Ayers, what they regard as Obama&#039;s first class intelligence and temperment, etc etc; essentially what are character traits.

I think if you had a different (better) candidate but with the exact same policy stances as McCain, nearly all of the people you mentioned would be voting Republican come November.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Yeah conservatives have been jumping off the McCain/Palin bandwagon like it&#8217;s on fire.</p>
<p>However, while I agree that many fiscal conservatives have left the Republican Party, the most on the list of people you mentioned are not endorsing Obama based on any specific policy position. </p>
<p>Most of them have cited issues such as McCain choice of Palin, the campaign&#8217;s focus on Ayers, what they regard as Obama&#8217;s first class intelligence and temperment, etc etc; essentially what are character traits.</p>
<p>I think if you had a different (better) candidate but with the exact same policy stances as McCain, nearly all of the people you mentioned would be voting Republican come November.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Justin Berkowitz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin Berkowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 14:24:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Orian:

I think that nowadays to most Republicans, &quot;conservative&quot; means Pro-Iraq war, pro-life, and that&#039;s about it. They have no problem with expanding government programs, increasing welfare, nationalizing banks, bailing out corporations, increasing citizen surveillance, and so on.

Fiscal conservatives (who are frequently socially libertarian) are leaving the Republican party in significant numbers. Where they will go is hard to say, because the tax-and-spend Democrats are not much different than borrow-and-spend Republicans. 

Think about how many prominent conservatives and Republicans have either slammed McCain, said they were leaving the party, and in a few cases even endorsed Obama:
-Christopher Buckley, the son of William F. Buckley
-George Will
-Ken Adelman (he worked on Project for a New American Century with Paul Wolfowitz, considered the defining modern Republican ideology)
-Colin Powell, Former Secretary of Defense and State
-Kathleen Parker of the National Review
-Republican Senator Chuck Hagel, sort of
-Brent Scowcroft, Bush&#039;s National Security Adviser
-Robert Gates, the US Secretary of Defense
-Larry Hunter, a former Jack Kemp writer 
-A ton of conservative academics, like Daniel Drezner (who was an adviser to Bush in the 2000 election).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Orian:</p>
<p>I think that nowadays to most Republicans, &#8220;conservative&#8221; means Pro-Iraq war, pro-life, and that&#8217;s about it. They have no problem with expanding government programs, increasing welfare, nationalizing banks, bailing out corporations, increasing citizen surveillance, and so on.</p>
<p>Fiscal conservatives (who are frequently socially libertarian) are leaving the Republican party in significant numbers. Where they will go is hard to say, because the tax-and-spend Democrats are not much different than borrow-and-spend Republicans. </p>
<p>Think about how many prominent conservatives and Republicans have either slammed McCain, said they were leaving the party, and in a few cases even endorsed Obama:<br />
-Christopher Buckley, the son of William F. Buckley<br />
-George Will<br />
-Ken Adelman (he worked on Project for a New American Century with Paul Wolfowitz, considered the defining modern Republican ideology)<br />
-Colin Powell, Former Secretary of Defense and State<br />
-Kathleen Parker of the National Review<br />
-Republican Senator Chuck Hagel, sort of<br />
-Brent Scowcroft, Bush&#8217;s National Security Adviser<br />
-Robert Gates, the US Secretary of Defense<br />
-Larry Hunter, a former Jack Kemp writer<br />
-A ton of conservative academics, like Daniel Drezner (who was an adviser to Bush in the 2000 election).<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Orian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Orian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 14:01:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Further evidence in my eyes that we need a legitimate third political party in this country that doesn&#039;t pander to everyone all the time.

Where&#039;s Perot when you need him?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Further evidence in my eyes that we need a legitimate third political party in this country that doesn&#8217;t pander to everyone all the time.</p>
<p>Where&#8217;s Perot when you need him?<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: John Horner</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Horner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 05:55:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;McCain camp leaves Michigan&quot;
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081003/NEWS15/810030372

Straight talk, eh?  &quot;I don&#039;t say things just to get votes&quot;, eh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->&#8220;McCain camp leaves Michigan&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081003/NEWS15/810030372" rel="nofollow">http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081003/NEWS15/810030372</a></p>
<p>Straight talk, eh?  &#8220;I don&#8217;t say things just to get votes&#8221;, eh?<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Qusus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Qusus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 05:39:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone explain to me what principles are.  I&#039;m still young; maybe I just have none.  

Are &quot;principles&quot; simply following your own  ideology blindly without any regard to new evidence or circumstance?  

This is a website that once praised John McCain for telling Michigan voters that he &quot;doesn&#039;t believe government should bailout any industries.  Period.&quot;  Why do we admire the quality of thinking in absolutist terms?  Is that the elusive idea of having &quot;principles?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Someone explain to me what principles are.  I&#8217;m still young; maybe I just have none.  </p>
<p>Are &#8220;principles&#8221; simply following your own  ideology blindly without any regard to new evidence or circumstance?  </p>
<p>This is a website that once praised John McCain for telling Michigan voters that he &#8220;doesn&#8217;t believe government should bailout any industries.  Period.&#8221;  Why do we admire the quality of thinking in absolutist terms?  Is that the elusive idea of having &#8220;principles?&#8221;<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Adub</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 04:26:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>McCain should have had the brains to realize that Michigan was always going to go for Obama since he promised them money from the beginning. Instead of standing on principles, he pandered and lost.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->McCain should have had the brains to realize that Michigan was always going to go for Obama since he promised them money from the beginning. Instead of standing on principles, he pandered and lost.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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