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	<title>Comments on: AutoWeek: GM&#8217;s Cutbacks &#8220;a brilliant tactical move&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Bozoer Rebbe</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/autoweek-gms-cutbacks-a-brilliant-tactical-move/comment-page-1/#comment-482191</link>
		<dc:creator>Bozoer Rebbe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 02:00:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Dutch certainly isn’t his father.&lt;/em&gt;

True, but he&#039;s not as pompous and self-impressed as his boss, Keith Crain, another member of the lucky sperm club.</description>
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<p>True, but he&#8217;s not as pompous and self-impressed as his boss, Keith Crain, another member of the lucky sperm club.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Stein X Leikanger</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/autoweek-gms-cutbacks-a-brilliant-tactical-move/comment-page-1/#comment-480661</link>
		<dc:creator>Stein X Leikanger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 20:16:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leaving the 6th Army stuck in Stalingrad was probably also &quot;a brilliant tactical move ...&quot;</description>
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		<title>By: SloStang</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/autoweek-gms-cutbacks-a-brilliant-tactical-move/comment-page-1/#comment-480511</link>
		<dc:creator>SloStang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 19:37:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;But those aren’t the yardsticks here. Are you even aware of that? Overall, the Cavalier has been exceedingly unreliable&lt;/i&gt;

Please define &quot;unreliable&quot;.  Do you mean the brake light that stopped working and was fixed under warranty without question?  That&#039;s the biggest problem I&#039;ve had with the car, and I can live with that.  Yes, the local Chevy dealer actually does do a great job with warranty work.

I did test drive a Toyota and was quite disappointed actually, not enough torque.  Given that the Chevy dealer is closer and I&#039;ve had good experiences with them, I chose the Cavalier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><i>But those aren’t the yardsticks here. Are you even aware of that? Overall, the Cavalier has been exceedingly unreliable</i></p>
<p>Please define &#8220;unreliable&#8221;.  Do you mean the brake light that stopped working and was fixed under warranty without question?  That&#8217;s the biggest problem I&#8217;ve had with the car, and I can live with that.  Yes, the local Chevy dealer actually does do a great job with warranty work.</p>
<p>I did test drive a Toyota and was quite disappointed actually, not enough torque.  Given that the Chevy dealer is closer and I&#8217;ve had good experiences with them, I chose the Cavalier.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: menno</title>
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		<dc:creator>menno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 17:45:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interestingly enough, my LAST (ever) GM car was a 1997 Cavalier.

Craptastic non-service under the worthless warrantee by the local dealer and multiple disc rotor &quot;turnings&quot; later (and an absolute refusal to put new parts on), as well as windshield wipers which worked just fine (as long as it wasn&#039;t raining) not to mention a mystery sound from the new electronic automatic transmission and my suspicion that GM had taken yet another short cut on traction control (hence the continually warping front rotors) gave me a chance to tell the Chevy service writer that he had a choice.  

When presented with an $80 bill for turning the front rotors for the 3rd or 4th time, with less than 36,000 miles / 3 years on the car (and as noted above, no chance of convincing them to actually do themselves proud / do well by a customer, and replace the dang parts) - I said &quot;you can have $80, or you can have a GM customer for the next 25 or 30 years.  Choose now.&quot;   

He chose, I went out, bought non-GM rotors myself (no use putting more drek on drek, is there?) and traded it off.  I didn&#039;t want someone buying the car after me to have the GM rotors on there, any more than I wanted the GM rotors on there.  

I haven&#039;t bought a GM product in 9 years and won&#039;t be bothering ever again - just as promised (even assuming they survive).  

I wrote to GM and even told them so, and got a nice letter back by some guy whose job solely consisted of writing such letters.  I bet he was one busy guy, and by the look of the continuing GM sales drop over the last decade, he&#039;s probably the busiest guy in the organization.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Interestingly enough, my LAST (ever) GM car was a 1997 Cavalier.</p>
<p>Craptastic non-service under the worthless warrantee by the local dealer and multiple disc rotor &#8220;turnings&#8221; later (and an absolute refusal to put new parts on), as well as windshield wipers which worked just fine (as long as it wasn&#8217;t raining) not to mention a mystery sound from the new electronic automatic transmission and my suspicion that GM had taken yet another short cut on traction control (hence the continually warping front rotors) gave me a chance to tell the Chevy service writer that he had a choice.  </p>
<p>When presented with an $80 bill for turning the front rotors for the 3rd or 4th time, with less than 36,000 miles / 3 years on the car (and as noted above, no chance of convincing them to actually do themselves proud / do well by a customer, and replace the dang parts) &#8211; I said &#8220;you can have $80, or you can have a GM customer for the next 25 or 30 years.  Choose now.&#8221;   </p>
<p>He chose, I went out, bought non-GM rotors myself (no use putting more drek on drek, is there?) and traded it off.  I didn&#8217;t want someone buying the car after me to have the GM rotors on there, any more than I wanted the GM rotors on there.  </p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t bought a GM product in 9 years and won&#8217;t be bothering ever again &#8211; just as promised (even assuming they survive).  </p>
<p>I wrote to GM and even told them so, and got a nice letter back by some guy whose job solely consisted of writing such letters.  I bet he was one busy guy, and by the look of the continuing GM sales drop over the last decade, he&#8217;s probably the busiest guy in the organization.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: M1EK</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/autoweek-gms-cutbacks-a-brilliant-tactical-move/comment-page-1/#comment-480022</link>
		<dc:creator>M1EK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 17:29:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SloStang,

I have a really hard time believing there&#039;s a Cavalier out there that could go that long while outliving a Mazda; MAYBE I could believe the Focus if you had an extreme outlier for both.

But those aren&#039;t the yardsticks here. Are you even aware of that? Overall, the Cavalier has been exceedingly unreliable - you know, in the studies that measure this kind of stuff?</description>
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<p>I have a really hard time believing there&#8217;s a Cavalier out there that could go that long while outliving a Mazda; MAYBE I could believe the Focus if you had an extreme outlier for both.</p>
<p>But those aren&#8217;t the yardsticks here. Are you even aware of that? Overall, the Cavalier has been exceedingly unreliable &#8211; you know, in the studies that measure this kind of stuff?<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: william442</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/autoweek-gms-cutbacks-a-brilliant-tactical-move/comment-page-1/#comment-480002</link>
		<dc:creator>william442</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 17:26:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dutch certainly isn&#039;t his father.</description>
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		<title>By: Michael Karesh</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/autoweek-gms-cutbacks-a-brilliant-tactical-move/comment-page-1/#comment-479852</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Karesh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 16:54:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There must be some wonderful quotations re:retreat that apply here.</description>
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		<title>By: Frank Williams</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/autoweek-gms-cutbacks-a-brilliant-tactical-move/comment-page-1/#comment-479851</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 16:52:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;SloStang 
We’ve also owned Fords and a Mazda, and they just don’t take a beating like a Chevy.&lt;/em&gt;

By George, I think you&#039;ve got it!  Chevy&#039;s next ad campaign -- &quot;Chevy. No one builds better beaters!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><em>SloStang<br />
We’ve also owned Fords and a Mazda, and they just don’t take a beating like a Chevy.</em></p>
<p>By George, I think you&#8217;ve got it!  Chevy&#8217;s next ad campaign &#8212; &#8220;Chevy. No one builds better beaters!&#8221;<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: rodster205</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/autoweek-gms-cutbacks-a-brilliant-tactical-move/comment-page-1/#comment-479842</link>
		<dc:creator>rodster205</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 16:51:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow.  And I was close to signing up again after about 5 years with no Autoweek, glad I saw this first.  RF you are entirely correct and Mandel is entirely wrong.  GM is reacting, not making &quot;timely&quot; moves.

Notice that Honda planned ahead, designing their plants to allow them to produce multiple models.  When the Civic went nuts and the Pilot/Ridgeline tanked, they just moved the Pilot/Rigeline production to the Odyssey plant (also down) and increase Civic production in Ontario.  So instead of running truck production at 1/3 volume (GM) they are able to run that plant at full volume (efficient) and crank out more Civics also to meet the rising demand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Wow.  And I was close to signing up again after about 5 years with no Autoweek, glad I saw this first.  RF you are entirely correct and Mandel is entirely wrong.  GM is reacting, not making &#8220;timely&#8221; moves.</p>
<p>Notice that Honda planned ahead, designing their plants to allow them to produce multiple models.  When the Civic went nuts and the Pilot/Ridgeline tanked, they just moved the Pilot/Rigeline production to the Odyssey plant (also down) and increase Civic production in Ontario.  So instead of running truck production at 1/3 volume (GM) they are able to run that plant at full volume (efficient) and crank out more Civics also to meet the rising demand.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: psarhjinian</title>
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		<dc:creator>psarhjinian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 16:46:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s only a brilliant tactical move because of the completely moronic strategic ones that made it necessary.

To put it another way, it&#039;s like saying a doctor performed a brilliant amputation, ignoring that fact that the same doctor ignored a festering infection, normally treatable by antibiotics, for years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->It&#8217;s only a brilliant tactical move because of the completely moronic strategic ones that made it necessary.</p>
<p>To put it another way, it&#8217;s like saying a doctor performed a brilliant amputation, ignoring that fact that the same doctor ignored a festering infection, normally treatable by antibiotics, for years.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: SloStang</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/autoweek-gms-cutbacks-a-brilliant-tactical-move/comment-page-1/#comment-479821</link>
		<dc:creator>SloStang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 16:43:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Why on EARTH would anybody buy a Cobalt&lt;/i&gt;

Speaking as the owner of a Cavalier, they are rugged and reliable even if they look like they were screwed together by a 4 year old.  70k miles worth of potholes, dirt roads, and snow storms and the car is still on its original tires and has never needed an alignment, and it&#039;s never broken down.

We&#039;ve also owned Fords and a Mazda, and they just don&#039;t take a beating like a Chevy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><i>Why on EARTH would anybody buy a Cobalt</i></p>
<p>Speaking as the owner of a Cavalier, they are rugged and reliable even if they look like they were screwed together by a 4 year old.  70k miles worth of potholes, dirt roads, and snow storms and the car is still on its original tires and has never needed an alignment, and it&#8217;s never broken down.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve also owned Fords and a Mazda, and they just don&#8217;t take a beating like a Chevy.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Bunter1</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/autoweek-gms-cutbacks-a-brilliant-tactical-move/comment-page-1/#comment-479691</link>
		<dc:creator>Bunter1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 16:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WOW!

Shows you can convince yourself of anything.</description>
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<p>Shows you can convince yourself of anything.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: getacargetacheck</title>
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		<dc:creator>getacargetacheck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 16:27:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How are forced moves &quot;brilliant?&quot;  It was obvious to many as recently as six years ago that the Hubbert Curve was going to have a profound effect on worldwide oil markets.  GM&#039;s six-figure &quot;economists&quot; either didn&#039;t understand, didn&#039;t know or, like their Board of Directors, didn&#039;t listen.  Smug, GM will be content to believe that cutting SUVs and pickups will be enough without realizing that within the next 2 years 6-cylinder powered Epsilon and EpII vehicles will be the next hard hit.  The new American standard family car in the next 5 years (about the time it takes to bring a car to market) will look like a Corolla.  GM&#039;s Waterloo will be on the backs of their myriad of mid-sizers.  Sounds crazy, but watch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->How are forced moves &#8220;brilliant?&#8221;  It was obvious to many as recently as six years ago that the Hubbert Curve was going to have a profound effect on worldwide oil markets.  GM&#8217;s six-figure &#8220;economists&#8221; either didn&#8217;t understand, didn&#8217;t know or, like their Board of Directors, didn&#8217;t listen.  Smug, GM will be content to believe that cutting SUVs and pickups will be enough without realizing that within the next 2 years 6-cylinder powered Epsilon and EpII vehicles will be the next hard hit.  The new American standard family car in the next 5 years (about the time it takes to bring a car to market) will look like a Corolla.  GM&#8217;s Waterloo will be on the backs of their myriad of mid-sizers.  Sounds crazy, but watch.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: mel23</title>
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		<dc:creator>mel23</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 15:24:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I, for one, am glad to hear it. I&#039;ll rush right out to my broker and load up on GM stock.

As I head out the door, it dawns on me what a brilliant move it was to dump 51% of GMAC some time before their loan portfolio imploded. And all this time I thought it was because they were desperate for cash.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->I, for one, am glad to hear it. I&#8217;ll rush right out to my broker and load up on GM stock.</p>
<p>As I head out the door, it dawns on me what a brilliant move it was to dump 51% of GMAC some time before their loan portfolio imploded. And all this time I thought it was because they were desperate for cash.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: M1EK</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/autoweek-gms-cutbacks-a-brilliant-tactical-move/comment-page-1/#comment-479282</link>
		<dc:creator>M1EK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 15:23:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That still leaves GM with nothing to build but the awful Cobalt and even worse Aveo, because for years they loathed small-car buyers with the white hot heat of a thousand suns.

Selections from this month&#039;s CR, &quot;gas-saving sedans&quot;, MPG and rating:

Compact (CR&#039;s class):

Hyundai Elantra: 27 82
Honda Civic EX:  31 82
Prius Touring:   42 80
[...]
Ford Focus:      26 65
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Chevy Cobalt:    24 50
 
Subcompact:

Honda Fit:       34 75
Nissan Versa:    28 65
[...]
Toyota Yaris(*): 34 36
Chevy Aveo:      25 36

(* - MT; AT did a bit better; has the distinction of being the only Toyota CR really hates; STILL beat the Aveo).

Why on EARTH would anybody buy a Cobalt, much less an Aveo? Maybe if they drop the price to $4995 like the original Hyundai Excel...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->That still leaves GM with nothing to build but the awful Cobalt and even worse Aveo, because for years they loathed small-car buyers with the white hot heat of a thousand suns.</p>
<p>Selections from this month&#8217;s CR, &#8220;gas-saving sedans&#8221;, MPG and rating:</p>
<p>Compact (CR&#8217;s class):</p>
<p>Hyundai Elantra: 27 82<br />
Honda Civic EX:  31 82<br />
Prius Touring:   42 80<br />
[...]<br />
Ford Focus:      26 65<br />
[...]<br />
Chevy Cobalt:    24 50</p>
<p>Subcompact:</p>
<p>Honda Fit:       34 75<br />
Nissan Versa:    28 65<br />
[...]<br />
Toyota Yaris(*): 34 36<br />
Chevy Aveo:      25 36</p>
<p>(* &#8211; MT; AT did a bit better; has the distinction of being the only Toyota CR really hates; STILL beat the Aveo).</p>
<p>Why on EARTH would anybody buy a Cobalt, much less an Aveo? Maybe if they drop the price to $4995 like the original Hyundai Excel&#8230;<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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