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	<title>Comments on: AMG Joins Engine Downsizing Trend</title>
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		<title>By: gaazmon</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/amg-joins-engine-downsizing-trend/comment-page-1/#comment-388542</link>
		<dc:creator>gaazmon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 17:29:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ya, the V12s are monster engines. I also remember that the V12s from 2000 to 2002 were non-turbo and had some kind of valve shut-off system where it cut the operation to 8 instead of 12, but I guess they had some really big problems maintenance wise with those engines, or so I hear from my mechanic. He also said the V12s in general had a lot more problems than the V8s and he doesn&#039;t recommend anyone to buy them.

But I&#039;m really likeing the sound of these new engines especially with the numbers they are throwing at us from an engine that is a lot smaller.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Ya, the V12s are monster engines. I also remember that the V12s from 2000 to 2002 were non-turbo and had some kind of valve shut-off system where it cut the operation to 8 instead of 12, but I guess they had some really big problems maintenance wise with those engines, or so I hear from my mechanic. He also said the V12s in general had a lot more problems than the V8s and he doesn&#8217;t recommend anyone to buy them.</p>
<p>But I&#8217;m really likeing the sound of these new engines especially with the numbers they are throwing at us from an engine that is a lot smaller.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: doctorv8</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/amg-joins-engine-downsizing-trend/comment-page-1/#comment-382762</link>
		<dc:creator>doctorv8</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 13:07:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>gaazmon,

Yes, clearly the blown 5.4 has more low end than the n/a 6.2. However, the author compared the 5.4 to the V12s, which have copious low end; in fact, far more than even the mighty 5.4 Kompressor, since MB hasn&#039;t built a V12 without twin turbos since 2002.</description>
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<p>Yes, clearly the blown 5.4 has more low end than the n/a 6.2. However, the author compared the 5.4 to the V12s, which have copious low end; in fact, far more than even the mighty 5.4 Kompressor, since MB hasn&#8217;t built a V12 without twin turbos since 2002.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: gaazmon</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/amg-joins-engine-downsizing-trend/comment-page-1/#comment-382412</link>
		<dc:creator>gaazmon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 06:05:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the 5-speed better. Just my personal prefernce. I have the 5-speed on my car, sister has the 7-speed on hers. Driven both, like the 5 better. To each his own.

Doctorv8, yes you are correct the supercharged engine is 5.4. The 6.2L natural V8 does have less low end shove than the 5.4 supercharged V8, but once both cars start reaching the higher rpm range, the 6.2L V8 beats the 5.4 supercharged.

Also, I prefer the supercharged 5.4L V8 over the 6.2L natural V8.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->I like the 5-speed better. Just my personal prefernce. I have the 5-speed on my car, sister has the 7-speed on hers. Driven both, like the 5 better. To each his own.</p>
<p>Doctorv8, yes you are correct the supercharged engine is 5.4. The 6.2L natural V8 does have less low end shove than the 5.4 supercharged V8, but once both cars start reaching the higher rpm range, the 6.2L V8 beats the 5.4 supercharged.</p>
<p>Also, I prefer the supercharged 5.4L V8 over the 6.2L natural V8.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: doctorv8</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/amg-joins-engine-downsizing-trend/comment-page-1/#comment-382342</link>
		<dc:creator>doctorv8</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 04:24:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>V12s lacking low end shove? Seriously? Well, maybe because the ESP yellow light keeps flashing as the tires struggle to deliver 738 ft lbs to the rear wheels at 2000 rpm....

Just to demonstrate, try cruising at 60 mph, lock the trans in manual mode, make sure tap the right paddle until you&#039;re in 5th gear (around 1500 rpm), and floor the throttle without tripping the kickdown switch. In about 5 seconds, you will be going well over 100 mph, all in 5th gear. Now that is low end torque, uncontaminated by traction issues.

The &quot;5.5&quot; you mentioned is actually 5.4L, and while it has a ton of torque too....it&#039;s 200 ft lbs shy of the V12, even if it does come in fractionally earlier in the rpm range, it&#039;s conservative tuning that keeps both motors from annihilating the tires in stock trim.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->V12s lacking low end shove? Seriously? Well, maybe because the ESP yellow light keeps flashing as the tires struggle to deliver 738 ft lbs to the rear wheels at 2000 rpm&#8230;.</p>
<p>Just to demonstrate, try cruising at 60 mph, lock the trans in manual mode, make sure tap the right paddle until you&#8217;re in 5th gear (around 1500 rpm), and floor the throttle without tripping the kickdown switch. In about 5 seconds, you will be going well over 100 mph, all in 5th gear. Now that is low end torque, uncontaminated by traction issues.</p>
<p>The &#8220;5.5&#8243; you mentioned is actually 5.4L, and while it has a ton of torque too&#8230;.it&#8217;s 200 ft lbs shy of the V12, even if it does come in fractionally earlier in the rpm range, it&#8217;s conservative tuning that keeps both motors from annihilating the tires in stock trim.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: CarShark</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/amg-joins-engine-downsizing-trend/comment-page-1/#comment-381842</link>
		<dc:creator>CarShark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 23:47:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;I’m guessing this means a return of the 5-speed auto for the AMG V8’s, so I’m liking the sound of this.&lt;/em&gt;

@gaazmon:

What&#039;s good about that? Aren&#039;t the 7-speeds better?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><em>I’m guessing this means a return of the 5-speed auto for the AMG V8’s, so I’m liking the sound of this.</em></p>
<p>@gaazmon:</p>
<p>What&#8217;s good about that? Aren&#8217;t the 7-speeds better?<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: gaazmon</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/amg-joins-engine-downsizing-trend/comment-page-1/#comment-381712</link>
		<dc:creator>gaazmon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 22:19:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lol, this is funny. I guess AMG read my post about how Benz and BMW should get rid of V12s, and they decided to go along with it. 1 down, 2 more engines to go. Here is the post, second to last one on the page.

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/is-it-time-for-a-us-v6-mercedes-s-class-twin-turbo-i6-bmw-7-series/comment-page-2/#comments

To clear things up: Mercedes produces two V12s: the base 5.5L that produces over 500hp and the AMG 6.0L that produces 604hp. Both are turbos and have a 5-speed auto.

I&#039;ve heard mixed things about the difference betweend the 5.5L supercharged vs. 6.2L natural. Supposedly (I&#039;ve never driven either) the 5.5L has more power at the lower RPMs since it has more torque than the 6.2L and it has a 5-speed auto. The 6.2L natural has more higher RPM power and has a 7-speed auto.

I&#039;m guessing this means a return of the 5-speed auto for the AMG V8&#039;s, so I&#039;m likeing the sound of this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Lol, this is funny. I guess AMG read my post about how Benz and BMW should get rid of V12s, and they decided to go along with it. 1 down, 2 more engines to go. Here is the post, second to last one on the page.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/is-it-time-for-a-us-v6-mercedes-s-class-twin-turbo-i6-bmw-7-series/comment-page-2/#comments" rel="nofollow">http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/is-it-time-for-a-us-v6-mercedes-s-class-twin-turbo-i6-bmw-7-series/comment-page-2/#comments</a></p>
<p>To clear things up: Mercedes produces two V12s: the base 5.5L that produces over 500hp and the AMG 6.0L that produces 604hp. Both are turbos and have a 5-speed auto.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve heard mixed things about the difference betweend the 5.5L supercharged vs. 6.2L natural. Supposedly (I&#8217;ve never driven either) the 5.5L has more power at the lower RPMs since it has more torque than the 6.2L and it has a 5-speed auto. The 6.2L natural has more higher RPM power and has a 7-speed auto.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m guessing this means a return of the 5-speed auto for the AMG V8&#8217;s, so I&#8217;m likeing the sound of this.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: akatsuki</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/amg-joins-engine-downsizing-trend/comment-page-1/#comment-381582</link>
		<dc:creator>akatsuki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:30:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Electric is the way to go - instant torque.</description>
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		<title>By: Robert Farago</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/amg-joins-engine-downsizing-trend/comment-page-1/#comment-381242</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Farago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 20:19:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uh, the copy WAS a bit confusing/misleading. I&#039;ve tweaked Eddy&#039;s sterling text [no irony] here and there. Let me know if I&#039;ve got it right.</description>
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		<title>By: Kman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 19:31:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FWIW, there&#039;s a confusing element to the (otherwise excellent -&quot;Smurf Racist Grp&quot;) article.

The implication is of two V12s, one a 6.0L TT, the other a 6.2L NA.

The 6.2L Naturally Aspirated AMG engine is a V8.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->FWIW, there&#8217;s a confusing element to the (otherwise excellent -&#8221;Smurf Racist Grp&#8221;) article.</p>
<p>The implication is of two V12s, one a 6.0L TT, the other a 6.2L NA.</p>
<p>The 6.2L Naturally Aspirated AMG engine is a V8.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: thetopdog</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/amg-joins-engine-downsizing-trend/comment-page-1/#comment-380772</link>
		<dc:creator>thetopdog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:49:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe Mercedes does make 2 V12s, the 6.0L (I think) one in the S600, CL600 and SL600, and the 6.5L (I think) version in the S65, CL65 and SL65AMG cars

I have a very hard time believing that a 570hp twin turbo V8 would consume significantly less gas than a V12 of equivalent power, especially when driven hard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->I believe Mercedes does make 2 V12s, the 6.0L (I think) one in the S600, CL600 and SL600, and the 6.5L (I think) version in the S65, CL65 and SL65AMG cars</p>
<p>I have a very hard time believing that a 570hp twin turbo V8 would consume significantly less gas than a V12 of equivalent power, especially when driven hard.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: JJ</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/amg-joins-engine-downsizing-trend/comment-page-1/#comment-380742</link>
		<dc:creator>JJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:33:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;that AMG is ditching its 6.2-liter and 6.0-liter twin-turbo V12s &lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;If you just have to have yourself a V12, fill out a pre-order now for the SLC Gullwing, launching in 2010. The tasty retro-coupe will be the last application for Ye Olde 6.2, cranking-out over 600 horsepower, mated to an 8-speed automatic.&lt;/em&gt;

I&#039;m confused...

I know AMG offers the 6.2 (6.3) V8 and a 6.0 V12 Biturbo...

But do they also offer a 6.2 V12 Biturbo, as in 2 different V12 biturbos with just .2 litres displacement difference between them???

And consequently...will the new Gullwing have the &#039;63&#039; 6.2 V8 or a V12? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><em>that AMG is ditching its 6.2-liter and 6.0-liter twin-turbo V12s </em></p>
<p><em>If you just have to have yourself a V12, fill out a pre-order now for the SLC Gullwing, launching in 2010. The tasty retro-coupe will be the last application for Ye Olde 6.2, cranking-out over 600 horsepower, mated to an 8-speed automatic.</em></p>
<p>I&#8217;m confused&#8230;</p>
<p>I know AMG offers the 6.2 (6.3) V8 and a 6.0 V12 Biturbo&#8230;</p>
<p>But do they also offer a 6.2 V12 Biturbo, as in 2 different V12 biturbos with just .2 litres displacement difference between them???</p>
<p>And consequently&#8230;will the new Gullwing have the &#8216;63&#8242; 6.2 V8 or a V12?<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: moraviapils</title>
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		<dc:creator>moraviapils</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honestly, I don&#039;t see the point of all of these performance divisions/companies trying to green wash their products.  If you can afford a $60,000+ car that has no real practical value (unless you count the grins), you can afford the gas to drive it.

Leave the smaller engines in cars that mileage-conscious people buy and let the rich people have their toys.  :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Honestly, I don&#8217;t see the point of all of these performance divisions/companies trying to green wash their products.  If you can afford a $60,000+ car that has no real practical value (unless you count the grins), you can afford the gas to drive it.</p>
<p>Leave the smaller engines in cars that mileage-conscious people buy and let the rich people have their toys.  :P<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Qwerty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Qwerty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:06:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;And does anyone else think the car pictured looks like a rip-off of The alfa Romeo 8C?&lt;/i&gt;

I could not get past the tacky large Mercedes symbol on the front.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><i>And does anyone else think the car pictured looks like a rip-off of The alfa Romeo 8C?</i></p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Banner</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/amg-joins-engine-downsizing-trend/comment-page-1/#comment-380602</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce Banner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is that a picture of the SLC Gullwing?  It looks amazing.

EDIT: it&#039;s the 2009 Mercedes-Benz 300SL Gullwing</description>
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		<title>By: AKM</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/amg-joins-engine-downsizing-trend/comment-page-1/#comment-380432</link>
		<dc:creator>AKM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:35:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny that AMG dropped the Turbo V8...to re-introduce it 2 engine gens later!

And does anyone else think the car pictured looks like a rip-off of The alfa Romeo 8C?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Funny that AMG dropped the Turbo V8&#8230;to re-introduce it 2 engine gens later!</p>
<p>And does anyone else think the car pictured looks like a rip-off of The alfa Romeo 8C?<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: SupaMan</title>
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		<dc:creator>SupaMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:01:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Smurf racist group....lol...classic.

Wow, even the performance arm of these companies is starting to realize the negative effect this horsepower war is having. That&#039;s great actually. For BMW&#039;s M Division to turn around and instead of shunning forced induction, they&#039;ll offer it as a means to coax more power without a huge efficiency drop. This should prove interesting to watch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->&#8220;Smurf racist group&#8230;.lol&#8230;classic.</p>
<p>Wow, even the performance arm of these companies is starting to realize the negative effect this horsepower war is having. That&#8217;s great actually. For BMW&#8217;s M Division to turn around and instead of shunning forced induction, they&#8217;ll offer it as a means to coax more power without a huge efficiency drop. This should prove interesting to watch.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: driving course</title>
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		<dc:creator>driving course</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:58:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think it&#039;s a tragedy for high end motoring that Merc&#039;s won&#039;t have V12s, however if Ferrari follow suit it will be...</description>
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		<title>By: Qusus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Qusus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:40:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Smurf racist group.  That is pure gold.</description>
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