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	<title>Comments on: Activists ask Arnold to Save ZEV</title>
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		<title>By: joeaverage</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/activists-ask-arnold-to-save-zev/comment-page-1/#comment-241592</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:31:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Folks will get behind this thing when there are some affordable EV cars to buy. I&#039;m not confident that the average person wants to drive something with three wheels or TINY like the Sparrow or spacey-Star-Trek like some of the other ones I&#039;ve seen in modern traffic. Heck, we fight over how good (or not) a Pontiac looks vs a Sebring vs a Camry. A spacey three wheeler is going to get verbally flamed in about 0.5 secs. 

Now an electric Civic or Corolla with a reasonable utility and range (75 miles?) - sure. I think priced right (~$25K) they wouldn&#039;t be able to build them fast enough. 

Am seriously considering building an electric Beetle (old Beetle) of myself. Gathering prices and technology info as I have the time and interest. At worst it&#039;ll be an interesting armchair engineering project. Wouldn&#039;t need a big range, just 50 miles at 50 miles per hour to be a good commuter for my needs. If I could get 60 miles at 60 mph it would even be useful for my wife who works in the next town. 

The Beetle is not as safe as a modern large vehicle but at 30-40 mph I would not have any qualms. Whatever the case it is safer than my motorcycle. My &#039;65 even came with shoulder belts for all four occupants. Remember a &#039;65 domestic barely offered lap belts. 

Yep still cheaper to buy a $5K gas car but still way, way cheaper to fuel an electric. 

Saw a neat classic Fiat 500 with a high-end conversion done on it. Links below. Strictly a city car with city car speeds they are estimating a 130K lifespan for the battery. The $9K battery pack is $4K cheaper than 130K miles of gasoline at $3 per gallon and 30 mpg. It&#039;s been built in Italy where gas is somewhere around $8 a gallon. Assuming 30 mpg, that is a ~$25K advantage over gasoline. That means he could put two batteries in this car (260K miles of service) for less than the price of gasoline for 130K miles. 

I could use much cheaper batteries for a lower initial cost but they&#039;d wear out quicker too. I am neglecting the cost of the electricity b/c it is really, really cheap to charge an EV. Even cheaper if you already have a solar installation at your house (I don&#039;t but I want one). 

Sure an EV isn&#039;t going to be a cross country tourer but it would be great for short distances which is what my family does 5 days a week in two vehicles except when we carpool which we can do but complicates things considerably. We like to carpool though when it allows our schedule enough flexibility. 

http://www.eurozev.org/English.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ee4v7nlUM9M

I think EVs are coming and while they are completely possible now (and SHOULD have been in wide use by now if the car companies had not backed away from them), I think the car companies will milk the existing gasoline technology for all it&#039;s worth for as long as they and their suppliers can. 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Folks will get behind this thing when there are some affordable EV cars to buy. I&#8217;m not confident that the average person wants to drive something with three wheels or TINY like the Sparrow or spacey-Star-Trek like some of the other ones I&#8217;ve seen in modern traffic. Heck, we fight over how good (or not) a Pontiac looks vs a Sebring vs a Camry. A spacey three wheeler is going to get verbally flamed in about 0.5 secs. </p>
<p>Now an electric Civic or Corolla with a reasonable utility and range (75 miles?) &#8211; sure. I think priced right (~$25K) they wouldn&#8217;t be able to build them fast enough. </p>
<p>Am seriously considering building an electric Beetle (old Beetle) of myself. Gathering prices and technology info as I have the time and interest. At worst it&#8217;ll be an interesting armchair engineering project. Wouldn&#8217;t need a big range, just 50 miles at 50 miles per hour to be a good commuter for my needs. If I could get 60 miles at 60 mph it would even be useful for my wife who works in the next town. </p>
<p>The Beetle is not as safe as a modern large vehicle but at 30-40 mph I would not have any qualms. Whatever the case it is safer than my motorcycle. My &#8216;65 even came with shoulder belts for all four occupants. Remember a &#8216;65 domestic barely offered lap belts. </p>
<p>Yep still cheaper to buy a $5K gas car but still way, way cheaper to fuel an electric. </p>
<p>Saw a neat classic Fiat 500 with a high-end conversion done on it. Links below. Strictly a city car with city car speeds they are estimating a 130K lifespan for the battery. The $9K battery pack is $4K cheaper than 130K miles of gasoline at $3 per gallon and 30 mpg. It&#8217;s been built in Italy where gas is somewhere around $8 a gallon. Assuming 30 mpg, that is a ~$25K advantage over gasoline. That means he could put two batteries in this car (260K miles of service) for less than the price of gasoline for 130K miles. </p>
<p>I could use much cheaper batteries for a lower initial cost but they&#8217;d wear out quicker too. I am neglecting the cost of the electricity b/c it is really, really cheap to charge an EV. Even cheaper if you already have a solar installation at your house (I don&#8217;t but I want one). </p>
<p>Sure an EV isn&#8217;t going to be a cross country tourer but it would be great for short distances which is what my family does 5 days a week in two vehicles except when we carpool which we can do but complicates things considerably. We like to carpool though when it allows our schedule enough flexibility. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.eurozev.org/English.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.eurozev.org/English.htm</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ee4v7nlUM9M" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ee4v7nlUM9M</a></p>
<p>I think EVs are coming and while they are completely possible now (and SHOULD have been in wide use by now if the car companies had not backed away from them), I think the car companies will milk the existing gasoline technology for all it&#8217;s worth for as long as they and their suppliers can. </p>
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		<title>By: lprocter1982</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/activists-ask-arnold-to-save-zev/comment-page-1/#comment-239872</link>
		<dc:creator>lprocter1982</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 23:42:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, that&#039;s good. When (if) he gets his Tesla, and it runs out of battery power a mile from home, he can just tow it back with his Hummer.</description>
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