Bark's Bites: Kia's New 'Spin' on Compensation Might Mean a Change in Direction

Mark "Bark M." Baruth
by Mark "Bark M." Baruth

For over a decade now, Kia has slowly but surely been moving toward doing the impossible —transitioning the brand image from “ subprime, budget, shady, and non-desirable” to “a slightly Buick-ized version of Hyundai.” In order to do this, Kia dealers have always relied on the one factor in their favor, which is the ability to sell on price. While the MSRPs on Kias aren’t too far off the competition, the stores have historically dumped new inventory at prices well below the sticker. Looking at an Altima? Why not try this Optima at $3,000 off instead?

Of course, when you operate this way, it makes it difficult for salespeople and managers to make any money, since there’s little to no profit in the deal. For over a decade, Kia has offered sales staff what’s known in the business as a “spin” every time they sell a new car — they can call into a number or log on to a website and enter a VIN-specific code for a “spin” and a chance to win a bonus that ranges from $25-500 per car. If you sell Kias for a living, this is likely how you’ve been paying your bills for as long as you can remember.

According to sources within Kia dealerships, a little over a month ago, without warning, Kia stopped its OEM incentive program for management. Then, for October, again without warning, Kia stopped the spin program for sales people, also with no explanation. Rumor has it this decision comes from the new VP of Sales for Kia Motors America, Bill Peffer, who came to Kia from a dealership group in the Pacific Northwest. Dealers tell me that they’ve repeatedly e-mailed their corporate contacts for explanation, but none is expected.

Other than a sharp increase in the mortgage foreclosure rate for Kia dealer employees, what does this mean for Kia in the States?

Likely, it means that Kia intends to encourage dealers to start selling Kias at actual MSRP, or as close to it as possible. With a lineup of recently revamped cars, including the Rio, Sorento, and others, Kia is looking to compete head-to-head on actual merit, quality, and features. One Kia dealer told me their cars “are as good as anybody’s” and that they no longer have to be the cheapest.

This is, of course, a terrible strategy.

The only Kia showing any year-over-year sales growth so far in 2017 is the Forte, and it’s marginal. You might say, “Bark, the entire industry is down.” True, but Kia is outpacing the overall industry decline, thanks to a whopping 50-percent decline in Rio sales and double-digit losses in both the Sportage and Sorento, Kia’s contenders in the highly-competitive volume CUV segments.

And, of course, Kia dealers are still gonna Kia. The advertisement at the top at this page is running as we speak, even after the removal of the “spins.” They’re still gonna hit customers with every trick in the book — foursquares, throwing people in the box, losing the keys to the trade — and they’re still going to generally advertise like they’re an automotive flea market.

Yet another issue is the fact that Kia doesn’t have a particularly strong captive finance company, so dealers often are working with credit unions and subprime financers, who base their LTV (loan to value) on actual transaction prices. It’s going to be difficult for Kia dealers to get 520 credit scores bought with zero down at sticker price, as most banks are only willing to go 110 percent of value at most for subprime customers, and every bank knows that Kias aren’t actually worth the MSRP on the market.

So what does this all mean for you as a customer? It’s all bad.

Not only are you going to continue to get hammered with every devious trick by the sales and finance departments, they’re also going to try to hold margin on the front end. And the removal of the spin means higher salesforce turnover, which means a less knowledgeable salesperson trying to tell you about the crumple zones on the Sorento.

One Kia dealer told me that he’s personally excited about the change because his dealership offers competitive pay. “Lots of Kia stores have terrible pay plans, but they make up for it with the spins. Now that the spins are gone, those guys are gonna be looking for work. I’m going to steal a bunch of them.”

But make no mistake — Kia dealers are pissed, and they’re deeply concerned about how it’s going to impact their stores.

[Image: Kia Motors]

Mark "Bark M." Baruth
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  • Leon Stewart Leon Stewart on Oct 11, 2017

    This article is very very early at best I work in the industry and know for a fact that if i today, probably get $500 on my card at the end of the month. Yes most vehicles have lost their spin but I believe that this is due to the deal that is on the Cadenza right now. Also I just got a letter in the mail yesterday about the card company change that doesn't seem to support the incentives going away.

  • Autointelligence Autointelligence on Oct 11, 2017

    Bill Peffer came from a dealer group in the northeast not northwest. Balise Auto Group from Springfield Mass.

  • Rna65689660 For such a flat surface, why not get smoke tint, Rtint or Rvynil. Starts at $8. I used to use a company called Lamin-x, but I think they are gone. Has held up great.
  • Cprescott A cheaper golf cart will not make me more inclined to screw up my life. I can go 500 plus miles on a tank of gas with my 2016 ICE car that is paid off. I get two weeks out of a tank that takes from start to finish less than 10 minutes to refill. At no point with golf cart technology as we know it can they match what my ICE vehicle can do. Hell no. Absolutely never.
  • Cprescott People do silly things to their cars.
  • Jeff This is a step in the right direction with the Murano gaining a 9 speed automatic. Nissan could go a little further and offer a compact pickup and offer hybrids. VoGhost--Nissan has  laid out a new plan to electrify 16 of the 30 vehicles it produces by 2026, with the rest using internal combustion instead. For those of us in North America, the company says it plans to release seven new vehicles in the US and Canada, although it’s not clear how many of those will be some type of EV.Nissan says the US is getting “e-POWER and plug-in hybrid models” — each of those uses a mix of electricity and fuel for power. At the moment, the only all-electric EVs Nissan is producing are the  Ariya SUV and the  perhaps endangered (or  maybe not) Leaf.In 2021, Nissan said it would  make 23 electrified vehicles by 2030, and that 15 of those would be fully electric, rather than some form of hybrid vehicle. It’s hard to say if any of this is a step forward from that plan, because yes, 16 is bigger than 15, but Nissan doesn’t explicitly say how many of those 16 are all-battery, or indeed if any of them are.  https://www.theverge.com/2024/3/25/24111963/nissan-ev-plan-2026-solid-state-batteries
  • Jkross22 Sure, but it depends on the price. All EVs cost too much and I'm talking about all costs. Depreciation, lack of public/available/reliable charging, concerns about repairability (H/K). Look at the battering the Mercedes and Ford EV's are taking on depreciation. As another site mentioned in the last few days, cars aren't supposed to depreciate by 40-50% in a year or 2.
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