By on September 6, 2017

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Let me start this review off with a promise: I will try to avoid any “VTEC kicked in, yo” jokes.

That’s in part because the 2017 Honda Civic Type R doesn’t exhibit the behavior of past VTEC engines that inspired the jokes, but mainly because the meme is played out.

Full disclosure: Honda provided us with travel to the Seattle area, and provided us with airfare, food, and lodging. They even used a seaplane to get us from Seattle to the hotel and fed us dinner on a small cruise ship. We got some track time in the Type R in addition to on-road drives. Also, they gave us seat time in go-karts, in which I spun out a lot. They left us with a scale-model Type R which will likely never leave its box. If it does, I will use it for living-room races against a scale-model Ford Focus ST I have from a previous gig, if I ever take that one out of its box.

What isn’t played out is the sport-compact (I’m avoiding the phrase “hot hatch” here to include the sedans) segment, but you knew that already. Most major players are now available in three flavors: plain (Volkswagen Golf, Ford Focus), spicy (Volkswagen Golf GTI, Ford Focus ST, Subaru WRX), and premium zest (Golf R, Focus RS, WRX STI). Honda offers the plain Civic in hatchback, coupe, or sedan form, while the spicy Si can be had as a coupe or sedan. The Type-R is available just one way – as a four-door hatchback.

The Type R is new to the U.S. but not to the rest of the world, so Honda has experience hopping up its compact. Experience that pays off.

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The 2.0-liter turbocharged four-cylinder does have VTEC, but as noted earlier, this engine is different from what Honda has offered in the past. It generates 306 horsepower and 295 lb-ft of torque, and much of that torque is available at low RPMs – but I’ll get to that. For those that don’t know or don’t recall, VTEC stands for “variable valve timing and lift electronic control.” For the curious: The Type R tips the scales at 3,117 pounds. And for those who care about such things, the fuel economy is EPA-rated at 22 mpg city/28 mpg highway. It runs on regular fuel, with premium recommended.

Matched to this engine is a six-speed manual transmission with a limited-slip differential — the only gearbox available with the Type R. That’s right, if you want this car you’d better know how to shift for yourself. If you can drive a stick but can’t heel and toe very well (like me – I’m clumsy when it comes to the fancy footwork), the car comes with a rev-matching system that can be turned off if you prefer to do it yourself.

Engine exhaust flows out through a three-pipe system (complete with resonator) that Honda says avoids “booming” noises at higher RPMs.

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Visually, the car is basically a Civic hatch on steroids. Key additions include a hood scoop (functional, according to Honda), air inlets, a front splitter, LED fog lamps, rear diffuser, vortex generators on the roof and out back, underbody panels to enhance aerodynamics, and a big ol’ wing on the rear decklid. The Type R is a tad wider and longer than the standard hatch, and it rides on 20-inch wheels, with wider fenders to accommodate them.

Honda press materials say that most of the aero add-ons are for more than just looks – they actually improve performance in one way or another.

The hood is aluminum, and the headlights, turn-signal lamps, brake lights, and rear taillights are all LEDs.

Styling is subjective, of course, but I’m lukewarm on the look. I don’t hate it (though it does seem a bit “boy racer” from some angles), and I know many of the components are necessary to help the car perform better on the road, but I could live without the wing. Yes, the wing helps with downforce, especially for on-track driving, and I realize it’s just personal preference, but a wing-delete option would be nice. Subaru now lets you delete the wing from the WRX STI. Buyers who never track their car might be interested in such an option.

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Polarizing styling is one thing, driving dynamics are another. There’s no doubt the car shines here. Turbo lag is non-existent, and the car just pulls, no matter what gear it’s in. I forgot to downshift a couple times when speeding up on our road drive, and it didn’t really matter – the Type R just goes.

The clutch and shifter are damn near perfect, and the rev-matching system is generally smooth and not noticeable – I was aware of it only a handful of times. It’s actually a bit ironic that the clutch and shifter are so great, as the abundant torque means you won’t need to shift all that much.

That torque came in handy on the track – Honda turned us loose (semi-loose, it was a lead/follow format with a hired gun at the head of the pack) on a private track a couple of hours from Seattle – Ridge Motorsports Park. The track is 2.47 miles around, fairly technical in nature, and boasts some elevation changes.

I’m an average-at-best track driver on a good day, so Bark’s experience might be more instructive to those who plan on tracking their cars. Still, I learned a fair bit about the Type R from my two sessions.

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The steering stands out – it’s precise and well-weighted, and I didn’t know it was an electric power-steering unit until the press briefing. It’s the kind of steering that gives you confidence – you point and the car goes there. Corrections and adjustments are no sweat. The Type R is also stable and surefooted – there’s just no drama.

All that torque made itself known on the straight sections of the track. I’d been content in my first session to remain mostly in third gear, but a colleague suggested I use second gear to launch out of the final section – a slow, curvy stretch meant to mimic Laguna Seca’s famous “Corkscrew” – and I picked up a lot more speed on the front straight after doing so. That’s the Type R – it has enough torque that I was fairly quick in third, but a downshift at the right time gave me a boost.

The brakes held up well, but I suspect we weren’t challenging the cars enough for brake fade to even be an issue.

Torque steer is a constant fear with high-powered front-drivers (all-wheel drive is not available with this car), but Honda uses clever engineering to mitigate it. The front suspension is a dual-axis strut system (the rear is multi-link like other Civics, but more rigid) with an adaptive damping. It all but banishes torque steer – I think I only felt it once.

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Because my track skills aren’t yet fully sharpened, I appreciate a car that makes me feel like a better driver than I am, and the Type R does that. Electronics help – a +R driving mode increases the directness of the steering and the responsiveness of the rev-match system while also firming up the dampers. It also weakens the traction control system, which I left turned on per the advice of our track instructor.

Most people who buy a Type R probably won’t track it, however, so on-road dynamics and behavior will matter most. One might expect a track-focused car such as the Type R to struggle with aspects of civilized driving, but that’s not the case.

With spring rates 200-percent stiffer up front and 160 percent in the rear compared to a base Civic, one would expect a harsh ride, but no — the car is quite compliant on public roads; civilized enough for easy daily driving. The exhaust note is mostly pleasant, with little drone (on track, it was a bit unremarkable). Wind noise is properly restrained.

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Tire noise, however, will be an issue, especially on long drives. It may be the car’s biggest flaw, although to be fair to Honda, the roads we were driving may have been paved with materials that increase road noise – I couldn’t confirm that. Whether that’s true or not, the tire noise is noticeable in most cases, though probably no worse, subjectively speaking, than what I heard last time I was in a WRX.

One cool thing to note: the car has three driving modes (Comfort, Sport, and +R) and unlike most cars, it defaults to Sport each time you turn it on. That seems fitting for a car of this type, but it also proved beneficial – the ride in Sport mode is balanced, while in Comfort I noticed some float. It sounds weird to say/type, but the car is actually more comfortable – or at least rides better – in Sport mode. As for handling, well, it’s just as good on public roads as it is on track.

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Inside, the cabin has little touches of red trim to make sure you know it’s a Type R, and it has red sports seats that were made in house and bolstered for track driving. Unlike the Focus RS, they aren’t over bolstered, making them comfortable for daily driving, though I struggled to get the manual driver’s seat into the best position for me. As well, the manual tilt/telescope for the steering column is quite the reach. Rear seat leg- and headroom is acceptable for adults, but tall folks will want to make sure front-side riders don’t go all the way back with the seats and/or recline. The wing doesn’t really impact rear visibility in a negative way.

The center console has a slick sliding cupholder setup with a couple of layers to it. Materials are mostly on par with the competition. Unfortunately, Honda has taken another cue from the competition and uses an electronic parking brake, which is a bummer – no J-turns via handbrake for you. One cool touch is a plate with the car’s production number on it mounted aft of the shifter.

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The gauge cluster changes configurations depending on the drive mode, and the steering wheel is D-cut, because of course it is. Unfortunately, since this car is based on the Civic, there’s no knobs on the radio – you’re stuck with the abominable touch slider for volume controls. I asked several Honda folks whether the knob will return, as it has in the upcoming Accord, and I was met with boilerplate responses about being unable to comment on future product, along with wrinkled faces and body language that suggest they’re tired of the question.

Knobs (or lack thereof) aside, the Type R is equipped at roughly the same level as the Touring trim of the base Civic. That means it comes with features such as Apple CarPlay, Android Auto, keyless entry and starting, 12-speaker stereo, nav, dual-zone climate control, USB, Bluetooth, and Pandora. However, for whatever reason (likely weight savings), much of the electronic driving aids and safety-assist systems usually available at this level of trim aren’t present. All you get is a rearview camera and brake assist, in addition to the (by now) ever-present stability control, traction control, and ABS. You do, of course, also get the usual compliment of airbags.

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I did notice a buzzing noise from a right rear door-mounted stereo speaker at certain RPMs while on our road drive – Honda PR told me some cars at the launch, but not all, were pre-production. If ours was, that could account for the issue.

You have five exterior color choices – blue, white, red, dark gray, and black (see your Honda store for official names). There’s no choice on the inside – you’re getting red seats up front and you will like it.

What you can’t get is all-wheel drive; it’s front-drive or bust. Still, the car is priced at $33,900 ($34,775 after destination fees) and offers features that aren’t standard on the STI, Golf R, or RS. Features like navigation (not standard on the Subie), CarPlay/Android Auto (not standard on the Focus RS), and 20-inch wheels (not standard on the Golf R).

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Those who like to waste time at work pricing cars online will also notice the Type R is priced just below the base versions of the RS and WRX STI (about $2K below) and about $5,500 less than the Golf R. It’s also priced around or just above loaded versions of the WRX and GTI, although about $3,000 more than a Focus ST. Indeed, the GTI Autobahn starts at just a few hundred less – a difference that’s wiped out by D and D. Add the only option package and you’re over $36K – opt for an automatic transmission and now you’re three grand up on the stick-shift-only Type R.

A top-trim WRX with the main options package (nav, blind-spot monitoring and rear-cross traffic alert, premium audio, multimedia suite) checks in just a couple hundred bucks lower, and it does offer safety goodies the Type R doesn’t.

This is all a perhaps overly detailed way of saying that Honda has positioned the Type R in a sort of sweet spot – it’s a value compared to its three key competitors (Focus RS, Golf R, WRX STI) and isn’t much of a stretch above the standard WRX, Golf GTI, and Focus ST. Those latter three are all cars it should outperform.

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Yes, the Type R doesn’t offer an automatic transmission option the way the Golf R does, or all-wheel drive the way the Golf R, STI, and RS all do, but again, it’s offering similar performance for less money. Snow Belt residents, take note: Some of the bucks you save will go towards snow tires. You ain’t driving in snow on the factory rubber.

Overall, the Type R is hard to argue against. Its biggest flaws are road/tire noise, an unremarkable if not unpleasant exhaust note, and polarizing styling. Some folks will be put off by the lack of extra safety goodies (others will appreciate the weight savings) or the lack of all-wheel drive or a gearbox that doesn’t require one to use their left foot. Me, I just want a damn volume (and tuning!) knob.

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Stacked against the competition, it’s a better daily driver than the high-strung RS (and probably the similarly tightly wound STI; it’s been a while since I’ve driven an STI outside of track events) but not as refined as the Golf R. The Golf R also blends into traffic better. Then again, the Type R is cheaper.

Cheaper, that is, if dealers aren’t overdoing it with markups. Since Honda is building only about 2,500 2017s and just 5,000 units per year, this car will be a little on the rare side. I put Tim to work on the markup case (privileges of rank, ya know) and he tells me that while markups were high initially, most dealers are now selling at or even below MSRP.

Yeah, the Type R is all that. And I made it nearly 2,500 words without a VTEC joke. Let’s just hope no one creates a new meme to spoil.

[Images: © Tim Healey/The Truth About Cars]

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86 Comments on “2017 Honda Civic Type R First Drive – Yeah, It’s All That...”


  • avatar
    dal20402

    Many stretches of Washington interstate are paved with old concrete containing large aggregate. As it wears (and it is usually very worn), this material becomes incredibly noisy. A car prone to road noise, like many Hondas, will not be a pleasant experience in those places.

    • 0 avatar

      That makes sense, I notice large portions of I-90 (I live in Issaquah) are quite noisy (also have a CR-V).

    • 0 avatar
      JohnTaurus

      I would have been tempted to leave the group and head up (north) highway 9 out of Arlington. One of my favorite driving roads when I lived up there.

    • 0 avatar
      Jerome10

      I wish they would make the studs illegal as well….or at least tax them for the damage they cause. The noise, hydroplaning, etc from the ruts caused by the studs is quite awful.

    • 0 avatar
      never_follow

      Good god, just did Vancouver – Portland, southbound on the I5 between Tacoma and Olympia I thought my car was going to shake itself apart, so I shuffled all the way to the left edge of the passing lane on the worst of it. I can’t imagine that this past winter helped at all either with the freeze/thaw cycles that the region doesn’t normally get.

  • avatar
    S2k Chris

    Crawled all around one ata cars and coffee recently. Decided if there was a rear wing delete I could do one in black, but the wing is a deal killer for me.

  • avatar
    reclusive_in_nature

    A vehicle styled for Millennials–that mostly can’t drive a stick–that only comes with a manual transmission.

    The folks who think they’re special because they prefer a means of shifting that’s been rendered obsolete by my modern automatics aren’t going to want to hear this, but this vehicle really needs a DCT.

    • 0 avatar
      VW4motion

      I work with a large group of millennials. They pretty much think it is styled for the minority population rather than millennials. At least for North America. This opinion may or may not be true per your location. This group does live in Utah.

  • avatar
    JohnTaurus

    I love it, but I would also be very interested in a wing-delete option. The over-styled rear bumper looks normal on this car, and *should* be the only version that comes with it.

  • avatar

    Great review, it’s nice to read one from someone who isn’t a track rat like most of us.

  • avatar
    FreedMike

    @Tim:

    Diecast collector here…get a letter from the Honda rep confirming where you got that Type R model, and keep it in a box. There’s actually a pretty brisk trade for diecasts on Ebay. Might be worth something in a few years.

    Unfortunately, I love my diecasts too much to keep ’em in a box. Sometimes I have to roll them around my desk.

    (Good review too, by the way…)

  • avatar
    FreedMike

    Does anyone know where the Type R is made? I know the other Civic hatches are made in England, which doesn’t make me feel all warm and fuzzy…

  • avatar
    NeilM

    Tim Healey writes: ‘though it does seem a bit “boy racer” from some angles’

    A bit? Some angles?

    :shakes head in bafflement:

    • 0 avatar
      DeadWeight

      This car is so hideous, particularly from the rear (but from all angles), that the Honda designers must have been huffing industrial solvents on a regular basis.

      It’s so hideous that there may not be a historical precedent for this level of hideous.

      • 0 avatar
        johnny_5.0

        LOL. I think it is heinously ugly, but I still have lusty feelings for it. I could start a menagerie of tragically unattractive yet fun to drive manuals by parking it next to the SS in my garage.

  • avatar
    Master Baiter

    As a 55 YO professional, I’d be embarrassed to be seen in one of these. Give me Golf R any day.
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    • 0 avatar
      MLS

      +1, except that I’m 32 and would be equally embarassed. Holy shit, all that tacked on crap is laughable.

    • 0 avatar
      Dave M.

      Honda’s target audience is at most half our age. I’d go with the Golf R as well.

      Never liked over the top baubles for cars, whether this eye-sore or my dad’s generation’s custom rods. I guess they’re made for the extroverts of the world…

    • 0 avatar
      ToddAtlasF1

      This thing looks ridiculous, but I’d still be more embarrassed to be seen in a VW in this day and age.

    • 0 avatar
      jalop1991

      “As a 55 YO professional, I’d be embarrassed to be seen in one of these. Give me Golf R any day.”

      Well, other than the fact that the Golf is a German car, I agree with you. (I wouldn’t buy a German car with your money.)

      As a 55 YO professional, I am waiting for Acura to make an ILX Type S out of this basic platform. Delete all the ugly crap, give it adult clothes and interior, give it the DCT it needs, but keep the motor and basic suspension (tweak it a bit softer and make less road noise).

      • 0 avatar
        VW4motion

        So essentially an over priced high school auto shop looking civic ?

      • 0 avatar
        Nedmundo

        As a 50 YO professional, I’m also waiting to see what Acura does for a performance-oriented ILX on the new Civic platform. I doubt, however, it will have the CTR’s engine. I expect the new Accord’s 2.0T, and I’m concerned about the transmission because Acura’s 8DCT can’t handle much torque. We might be saddled with a regular automatic in the next ILX, which is probably a no-go for me. I strongly prefer MT anyway.

        Which brings me back to the Type-R. Yeah, it looks a little silly, but I don’t care that much. If I love how it drives, and the ride is compliant enough, I could go for one in metallic gray. I just hope they add Sensing safety technology, which is starting to roll out in Hondas with manual transmissions. Honda has hinted at a “GT” variant of the Type-R, which would probably have Sensing.

        BTW, while the wing’s height contributes to the appearance issues, it provides an unobstructed view out the rear window. That’s much better than a lower wing or big spoiler right in the middle of your rearward view. But I do hope they offer a delete option. I’d take that, no question.

    • 0 avatar
      KevinC

      As a 60 YO professional who drives a Golf R as his primary daily driver, I endorse this position wholeheartedly.

  • avatar
    Hummer

    Normally I would enjoy this article and keep my LS V8 ideals to myself, but this is too much. Really Honda? What the hell is a wing going to do on a front wheel drive car that barely pushes 300HP? An HSV Commodore pushing 600 HP has a more realistic wing, and the drive wheels are in the correct place on the VF2 series.

    This car represents every 1990s boy racer stereotype in a very untidy package.

  • avatar
    DeadWeight

    So TTAC is whoring itself out now, like Road & Track or Jalopnik!

    “Honda provided us with travel to the Seattle area, and provided us with airfare, food, and lodging. They even used a seaplane to get us from Seattle to the hotel and fed us dinner on a small cruise ship. We got some track time in the Type R in addition to on-road drives. Also, they gave us seat time in go-karts, in which I spun out a lot.”

    p.s. -‘What a positively hideous fukking car, inside and out (especially outside). It looks like the end result of tissue damage as a result of a serious venereal disease.

    • 0 avatar
      VW4motion

      It’s a Honda ? What else do you expect? This TTAC staff has had many a dinner and vacation payed for by Honda of America.

    • 0 avatar
      FreedMike

      Alternatives:

      a) Buy one yourself and do the review
      b) Find one at a dealership and see if he lets you drive the thing like it’s meant to be driven (yeah, right…)
      c) Find a TTAC reader who’s willing to let you risk stuffing his baby into a wall
      c) Take the trip and disclose it to your readers
      e) Skip reviewing the car.

      If you ask me, e) is the only workable alternative.

      If I didn’t have a basic trust in the integrity of what’s published on this site, then I’d dismiss the review as “bought-off.” But this site hasn’t given me any reason to go there.

      • 0 avatar
        ToddAtlasF1

        As to “b,” I really don’t like salesmen telling me to take a car with six miles on the odometer to redline in the first three gears. It has happened when I’ve test driven a number of high performance cars that I didn’t buy as a direct result.

  • avatar
    SCE to AUX

    What a ghastly appearance – yuk.

    To paraphrase Lloyd Bentsen:
    “I knew Lamborghini Countach. Lamborghini Countach was a fried of mine. You sir, are no Lamborghini Countach.”

  • avatar

    That has to be one of the most overworked designs of the 21st century, to date. I really hate it.

    • 0 avatar
      PrincipalDan

      Too bad the Transformer’s movies aren’t focused around Honda. This car already looks like it transforms into something else.

    • 0 avatar
      FreedMike

      To paraphrase Han Solo: she may look like s**t, kid, but she’s got it where it counts.

      (Actually, I think the basic Civic design works great on the coupe…but it’s a bit awkward on the sedan, and not attractive at all on the hatch sedan.)

    • 0 avatar
      Ubermensch

      Agreed. I wouldn’t be caught dead driving that overwrought, juvenile, rolling caricature of an automobile. It looks like the designers cribbed design elements from the automotive doodles of a 10 year old boy.

  • avatar
    sportyaccordy

    This, like the current NSX, is a great car, but in spirit is not worthy of the name. Something about the notion of paying $30K for this, rather than taking half of that and building a bonkers Civic hatch (or 8th gen sedan/coupe) worthy of a Type-R badge just makes me retch. It’s not hard to make 300whp from a K motor on pump gas, and all the support parts (shell, suspension, brakes, tires) are dirt cheap and generally well sorted.

  • avatar
    stingray65

    Funny – from many angles it looks like it is under-tired with some base wheels that are meant to look bad so you pay extra for the Big Wheel upgrade. Not sure why they need so much clearance between the top of the wheel and the fender lip – maybe to have space for snow chains since it doesn’t have AWD?

  • avatar
    Fred

    As an old guy I’d prefer a more subtle Acura version. Make it a hatch and you can mount the wing up high in the airflow for racing. Just be sure to have a delete option. Oh and call it an Integra to shut up the new meme of not liking alpha-numeric names.

  • avatar
    FalcoDog

    WOW! What on earth were they thinking? This car would have to monumental to get over the hill of its appearance. It’s just embarrassing.

  • avatar
    TheEndlessEnigma

    That thing makes a Mitsubishi MiEV look beautiful by comparison.

  • avatar
    jack4x

    To each their own of course but this to me is the least attractive vehicle for sale today. I can’t imagine being seen in one and I assume I’m directly in the target demographic

  • avatar
    MBella

    Even though I’m not turned off by the looks like most people here, I still couldn’t buy something so in your face and screaming for attention.

  • avatar
    Jerome10

    This is the ugliest car put on sale since the Aztek… and I might even think this Civic is even worse.

    The entire exterior looks absolutely ridiculous. Throw on any old add-on and call it good type of bad. Just hideous.

    I’m sorry, I don’t care how great this car might drive, I would NEVER be caught dead in this car. Never. It looks beyond stupid and makes anyone driving it look like an idiot.

  • avatar
    Zykotec

    I’m going to see one in the flesh next saturday and I’m relly looking forward to it. Got to sit in the old one and rev it a bit, and have tried the ‘normal’ new 1.5 Turbo liftback which was a real treat even with the CVT (actually didn’t bother me the slightest, and I really really hate normal Autos)
    Luckily I’m only 38, and hope to never have a job where I need a shirt with buttons or nice shoes , ugh…
    On the other hand, I really am (was?) a Ford guy, and if I could ever trust a Ford to last long enough to be bought used off the second owner, I would totally get a Focus RS 10 years from now instead of getting one of these 10 years from now…
    Or, I’ll buy a 20 year old Accord (Euro) type R and enjoy the vtec actually kicking in.

    • 0 avatar
      PrincipalDan

      Luckily I’m only 38, and hope to never have a job where I need a shirt with buttons or nice shoes , ugh…

      Get off my lawn!

      But I do generally wear sneakers around the office. Elementary kids love it that their principal is wearing Osiris, Adidas, Chuck Taylors…

      • 0 avatar
        baggins

        I have children in elementary school and middle school.

        Principal should dress in business casual. From your post, I take it you wear T shirts and sneakers? NEver seen a principal dress that way in my kids schools. SMall n, I realize.

        Big part of the role is principal’s interact with parents and other teachers. Its hard to take a 38 year old adult in Chuck Taylors seriously.

        Free advice from the B&B

        • 0 avatar
          PrincipalDan

          No Son. You mix it up.

          Business casual AND sneakers.

          Yesh. I thought I was the the one who should be yelling “get off my lawn.”

          I can hit 8,000 steps on the pedometer no problem just doing my job. Try that in a pair of Florsheim’s.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            F***ing A, PrincpalDan. My flat feet hurt for months and I went through several pairs of dress shoes before I finally could sneak in all black Nikes.

  • avatar
    baggins

    ” I don’t hate it (though it does seem a bit “boy racer” from some angles),”

    “At times, Vegas can be a little warm during the summer day”

    “If you get the angle right, Shaq O’Neal looks somewhat tall”

    Come on, this Civic battles the WRX for the most boy racer car extant.

    Be bold in your critiques!

  • avatar
    jalop1991

    “Styling is subjective, of course, but I’m lukewarm on the look. I don’t hate it (though it does seem a bit “boy racer” from some angles)”

    mmmmm hmmmmm. And Charles Manson was a bit “eccentric”.

    This is the ugliest thing I’ve ever seen on four wheels. This is the fat chick that can suck a golf ball through a garden hose–welcome at the party, but you don’t want to be seen with her.

  • avatar
    jimmyy

    I saw a white one in Boston. Owner said they are going for 10K over sticker. I would consider one, if not for the wing … but only after they are available for under sticker.

    • 0 avatar
      baconator

      I’d like to know more about the demographics of people who are paying $40k for this car. That’s “adult money,” and this is not an adult car.

      • 0 avatar
        jfb43

        No one is paying $40k for it; they’re going to pay $450 a month over 10 years for it.

        The thing is hideous from all angles but the front. At least Honda is not making too many of them – I predict they’ll even have some leftovers anyway. I like sporty cars as much as the next guy, but for what this thing is, I’d much rather have a fully loaded “base” Civic.

    • 0 avatar
      RedRocket

      Paying less than MSRP as the author stated is not happening in my experience. In fact ADMs are still very much the norm. Check out this from a Seattle-area dealer – a cool $25K ADM. They must be all stoned out of their minds up there.

      https://us.v-cdn.net/5021145/uploads/editor/h4/7fb3lu1p0jjk.jpg

  • avatar
    truenorth

    Did that thing land on the lunar surface in 1968? Looks very complicated.

  • avatar
    Nick_515

    Man-child mobile in my humble view.

  • avatar
    civicjohn

    Ah, the dreaded wing. From most of the posts, it appears that a wing-delete option wouldn’t change any minds. IIRC, it took Plymouth a couple of years to get rid of the Superbirds they had to build in order to meet NASCAR homologation requirements at the time.

    While I seriously doubt this will become some type of collector’s car, it’s Honda being Honda – occasionally putting out a car that actually does what it is advertised to do. Nothing wrong with that.

    As for me, I probably wouldn’t buy one because I spend more time on planes than cars and don’t have anywhere nearby that I could take advantage of the speed/ handling. I did make a recent trip with a couple of friends (all of us over 55 and 6-ft) in my 2016 EX for some golf. Everything made it in the trunk, save for a couple of briefcases, and we were all comfortable and pleasantly amused at the 42.1 MPG. 400+ miles on 8.5 gallons of regular. I’ll take it.

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    legacygt

    I’ll start by pointing out how fond I am of the current generation of Civics. To me, the Civic may be tied with the Volvo XC90 as the most improved car. For about a decade (maybe the prior two generations) Honda was selling Civics based on reputation. The cars themselves were ordinary and better cars could be found elsewhere in the segment. The current Civics change that and, even after a year or two on the market, are at the top of the class. Now, the Type R. It seems like Honda got the performance right. That’s most important. And it’s great. But the styling is pretty much inexcusable. They tested the waters a bit with the hatch which, from the rear, is kind of a mess. But this takes that mistake and plasters it all over the car. There’s “boy racer” and there there’s “boy racer, drunk and blindfolded, pulling things off the shelves at Pep Boys.” That’s what this car looks like. The car is covered with cut lines and creases and different materials, colors and textures. The only way this car looks worse is in white which makes all the black, grey, red and orange materials stand out even more. A wing-delete option would be nice. But the whole thing could be toned down a few notches.

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    dantes_inferno

    That civic needs the extra horsepower just to outrun its looks.

  • avatar
    Sub-600

    I find the styling tasteless, yet gaudy. The wing would come in handy if you needed to tow a glider or something.

  • avatar
    cdrmike

    Jeebus, 12 year old me loves that car. Grown up me thinks it looks completely ridiculous.

  • avatar
    manwithnoname

    “The front suspension is a dual-axis strut system (the rear is multi-link like other Civics, but more rigid) with an adaptive damping. It all but banishes torque steer – I think I only felt it once.”

    Isn’t this “clever” dual-axis strut system similar (identical) to the GM HiPer strut and Ford RevoKnuckle strut that’s been in use since 2010? Why is it so clever now, but wasn’t 7 years ago? It’s a great idea and it undoubtedly made a HUGE difference in handling/torque steer, but to praise Honda for it? Where was the praise back then?


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