By on March 31, 2015

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A report in the Wall Street Journal is claiming that Mercedes-Benz’s newest pickup won’t be a home grown effort. The German auto maker is planning on expanding on its alliance with partner Renault-Nissan by using one of their existing pickups as the basis for the Benz.

Per the WSJ

The talks, which are at an advanced stage, involve using the basic architecture of Nissan’s Navara pickup truck for the new vehicle and producing it in Nissan factories, the people said. Nissan was not immediately available for comment. The Navara is called the Frontier in some markets.

“The details are still being worked out,” one of the people said.

Mercedes-Benz would use the Navara framework, but would provide “everything with which the customer comes in contact,” the person added. That would include the powertrain, the interior, the design and other elements.

While the Navara will provide the basis for the next Nissan Frontier, the two will *not* be similar vehicles. The Frontier, like the Toyota Tacoma, will be a specific vehicle for the NAFTA zone, while the Navara will be aimed at world markets. This further bolsters the notion that the Mercedes truck not only won’t make it to America, but is being built without the U.S. market in mind. Ex post facto regulatory hurdles, as well as the Chicken Tax would likely complicate any efforts to bring it to our market, to the point where it would be economically unfeasible.

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35 Comments on “Mercedes-Benz Truck Will Be Based On Nissan Navara...”


  • avatar
    Silence

    Fut the wuck.

    So disappoint.

    • 0 avatar
      RobertRyan

      It will be a “1 metric ton” min payload and not sold in the US. More up market than the Ranger. I wonder if Mercedes is going to drop it’s 300hp + Diesel in ?

  • avatar
    Hummer

    Well at least Mercedes wants to build a real truck and not some Ridgeline halfway mark that performs poorly as the truck it wants to be and worse as the minivan it is. Honestly I didn’t expect to see them commit to something in the full, such as they are here. Definately deserves respect.

  • avatar
    Manic

    Why build a truck and not to sell it on the biggest truck market there is?
    Europeans will not buy it, probably too expensive for Latin America and most of Asia and Africa. Arabs? Really strange thinking from MB if the story is true.

    • 0 avatar
      RobertRyan

      No, there is a fair bit of Australian input involved, it will be a bit more upmarket than the Global Ranger

    • 0 avatar
      mikeg216

      Build it in Mississippi alongside the Frontier, plenty of room now that the xterra. I don’t believe that this won’t come here.

      • 0 avatar
        RobertRyan

        No will be built in South America and South Africa, it will be like other MB products not destined for NA

      • 0 avatar
        Big Al from Oz

        @mikeg216,
        From what I’ve read the difference between the MB pickup and Navara is quite significant.

        The best idea would be to import them. But the chicken tax is an impost on that idea.

        Protectionism reduces the US to a limited number of pickups.

    • 0 avatar
      Vulpine

      “Why build a truck and not to sell it on the biggest truck market there is?”

      Because the US is not the “biggest truck market there is”–especially for that size truck. We’ve already seen plenty of evidence that “global” trucks are far more popular in SE Asia, South America and Africa and appear rather popular in SW Asia as well. All told, those places buy far more trucks than US buyers and again, especially at that smaller, “global” size.

    • 0 avatar
      Big Al from Oz

      @Manic,
      Thailand is the worlds second largest pickup market.

      The EU and the UK overall would buy quite a few midsize pickups as well. Sth Africa has a large pickup market. Even here in Australia we do sell 150 000 pickups a year.

      The global pickup market outside of the US is larger. Also, most nations have harmonised safety regualtions, emissions, fuel, etc. The US is different, with Canada.

      The US will not receive them because of the chicken tax. It will add 25% to the cost of the pickup.

  • avatar
    Big Al from Oz

    I’m a bit surprised.

    I do know the next Navara offering is supposed to be a game changer.

    I’d expect the Merc to have a different engine/drivetrain combo.

    This will means so far the Navara platform will be used on 3 different vehicles, Nissan, Renault and now MB. Similar to GM’s Colorado, global Colorado and Izuzu Dmax.

    I’ve read that the new Navara with a 2 500lb payload and 7 800lb tow rides as well as a Maxima. MB might be able to fine tune this and possibly have the best riding pickup globally.

    http://www.drive.com.au/motor-news/renault-ute-coming-in-2016-20150209-139mcr.html

    http://www.caradvice.com.au/nissan/navara/

  • avatar
    APaGttH

    /facepalm

    The Frontier isn’t a “bad” platform but really Nissan? Nissan??? Whiskey-Tango-Fox-Trot.

    • 0 avatar
      Big Al from Oz

      @APaGttH,
      This isn’t built on a D40 platform.

      This is the all new D23 platform that is loosely based on the D22.

      I’m not a big fan of the D40.

      The US will receive most likely upgraded narrow body D23 pickup, it will be most likely blinged out. The narrow body D23 was earmarked for the poor nations.

      Most developing nations will have the wide body D23.

  • avatar
    Ron B.

    I hope this is just a April 1 joke…

    D-Max would have been better. I guess daimler AG wasn’t going to get involved with the mitsubishi brand either with it’s connection to Chrysler and the bad vibe that marriage made in hell created. Mitsubishis utes are smoother riding and more powerful than the Navara.
    Daimler-Benz built opel trucks in WW2 ,the Opel Blitz as it was known to the wehrmacht so getting involved with companies who already had runs on the board is nothing new to the management.

    • 0 avatar
      RobertRyan

      Nothing April Fool, about it,, the Mercedes Pickup announced a little while ago
      Mitsubishi smoother riding and more powerful? , now that is an April Fools joke

  • avatar

    Bring it here – I will buy one. How muc. $150K? No problem.

    • 0 avatar
      Big Al from Oz

      @Inside Looking Out,
      I do expect this to be competing with the VW Amarok. The Amarok is the priciest pickup we have at the moment.

      The global pickup market is extremely diverse, like the US car market. There is a pickup in any price range here in Australia from $17 000AUD or $12 250USD(on road, ins, del, etc) to a $60 000AUD or $45 000USD Amarok.

      Or you can buy US full size 1/2 ton, HDs, etc.

      It seems the Germans have taken the pickup market on.

      MB already has the worlds best pickup in the AMG 6×6 G Wagen. It’s a rich mans toy to drive around the desert.

      The US doesn’t even make a pickup that will come close the the AMG G Wagen pickup.

      Apparently the 2015 Navara is supposed to be highly refined. MB will refine it even more.

      • 0 avatar
        FordMan_48126

        @Big Al

        Ever heard of the Ford Raptor? Goes anywhere, too, in comfort and speed.

        • 0 avatar
          Big Al from Oz

          @FordMan_48126,
          The Raptor is nowhere in the same league as the AMG G Wagen. That said the Raptor is a nice vehicle, but it ain’t no AMG 6×6 G Wagen.

          Your statement is on par to stating a Focus is a good as a M Series BMW.

          Chalk and cheese. Google it. It has 6 diff locks, portal drive and a twin turbo V8.

          As for the Raptor, my BT50 will do a lot the Raptor can’t. I have modified the suspension and made it into a better off roader I will add.

          The Raptor is a great high speed dirt road vehicle. When it comes to tight off road stuff it’s just way to big.

  • avatar
    50merc

    In the DNA of this Mercedes Pickup is a little bit of Renault Dauphine. No, really!

  • avatar
    wmba

    This is news?

    From a Car and Driver blog entry in January 2012:

    http://blog.caranddriver.com/nissan-and-daimler-to-build-mercedes-four-cylinder-engines-in-the-u-s/

    Says the joint “commercial vehicle” (pickup) will be out by 2020.

    They missed Robert Ryan’s Australian connection, though. Oz brains will be required to inflate the payload claims.

    • 0 avatar
      RobertRyan

      I know you UAW types have a problem with reading comprehension, but Official Mercedes blurb, said it is built to carry at “One Metric Tonne” 2,200lb

    • 0 avatar
      Big Al from Oz

      @wmba,
      I read the article and it states that MB will use a Nissan/Renault diesel engine for the US market. A 1.8-2 litre gas engine from MB will be shared.

      The diesel engine will be developed in Australia. It will most likely be developed from the new 2.3 twin turbo diesel that is slotted for the wide body D23 Navara.

      I read an article stating that the Australian market dictates a larger engine than what the EU and Asian market demand/regulate.

      As for your comment to RobertRyan, I’m actually the one who discusses the load capacities of the global pickups more than him.

      You must realise that the global market demands higher payload pickups.

      In the Asian and EU markets a vehicle with the footprint of a US full size 1/2 ton would be expected to carry a load of 6 000lbs. As they only buy vehicles with that kind of footprint for industry and business.

      In Australia we have a Kia midsize that has a payload of 1.8 tonnes or 4 500lbs. Sort of what HD in the US carry. It has a 10′ x 6′ flat bed and 12″ duals to lower the flat bed to a very usable height.

      Fantastic idea for a business.

      The Mercedes Benz will have at least a 2 200lb payload. The Nissan Navara with the coil sprung assend has a 2 500lb payload and a 3.5 tonnes tow.

      • 0 avatar
        DenverMike

        Sorry BAFO, Aussie payload ratings are comical and don’t count here. You’ve got no DOT equivalent. Apples to Oranges as usual.

        Your OZ payload ratings are left entirely to the OEM’s sense of humour!!

        • 0 avatar
          RobertRyan

          Denvermike,
          It is a German payload number, not anything to do with Australia. A comment coming from the land of tons of “Magic Dust”‘, is somewhat hypocritical

          • 0 avatar
            DenverMike

            @Robert Ryan – Same Nissan truck with widely swinging payload figures? What does that tell you? It should tell you that comparing “ratings” from one market to an other is pointless apples to oranges.

            Germany also has public roads and toll roads with zero speed limits. It’s a slightly different place is what I’m saying. So is OZ. There’s less “Wild West” in the US than anywhere. You’ve seen the comments about Alex Roy. He’s more of celebrity in Europe.

          • 0 avatar
            Big Al from Oz

            @RobertRyan,
            I thought DiM would be happy that the Canadian’s are going the moving towards the EU.

            Considering he lives in Winnepeg in an apartment a midsizer would be more suitable for him.

            He might rent a large storage shed for all of his tow trucks, HDs, Mustangs, etc.

            You know. If you read all of his comments they don’t mesh.

            He might also think Australia is a part of Europe, alongside Poland.

            He ain’t to bright.

          • 0 avatar
            RobertRyan

            Guess reading is a problem now for you as well, it will be sold in many countries

  • avatar
    DenverMike

    If MB didn’t think the US would laugh at a badge engineered luxo-clad Frontier, the Chicken tax wouldn’t be their weaksauce excuse. How does the Sprinter get here? How did Mazda, Isuzu, Mitsu and others pickups get here? Is the Chicken tax something new?

    Where’s the Frontier made? That’s where they would install the leatherette seats and slap on Mercedes badges, grill, etc.

    • 0 avatar
      udman

      There have been ways to get around the Chicken Tax, and here are a few…
      – When the small Japanese Pickup was popular here, Toyota, Datsun, Isuzu, and Mitsubishi simply imported them as “Incomplete Vehicles” without the pickup bed attached. At the Port, there was a designated area in which the Pickup Beds were married to the truck chassis. It is a major Loophole, but one that was exploited by the small truck producers.
      – Now let’s talk about Sprinters. To get past the Chicken Tax, Mercedes partially dissembles the vans in Belgium, splits the parts in two different containers, and two different container ships, and then the parts are re-married in Ladson, SC. A Lot of work to bypass the tax.
      – Ford does something similar to the Transit Connect. They come in as passenger vans, with windows. But there is a discreet facility at the port of Baltimore, which removes the windows, and removes the interiors, and they become cargo vans again.

      I don’t think that Mercedes-Benz is really all that interested in having a Pickup in their lineup here in North America.

      • 0 avatar
        DenverMike

        “I don’t think that Mercedes-Benz is really all that interested in having a Pickup in their lineup here in North America.”

        True, but can they say that publicly? No so here comes the excuses.

        It sounds hard/expensive to install the Sprinter drivetrain (for you or I to do it) once they hit land, but it’s all plug-n-play on a streamlined assembly process. If an OEM can’t figure out how to efficiently put parts together, they’re in the wrong business.

      • 0 avatar
        RobertRyan

        You are right , the Global Pickup will be only for outside of NA. Mercedes on the other hand is VERY KEEN, to get their range of other commercial vehicles selling in the US

        • 0 avatar
          DenverMike

          Mercedes is KEEN and no doubt has the beans to do it, if anyone, as with their various commercial trucks for sale in the US. But Mazda, Mitsu, Isuzu and all the others managed a smaller pickup for the US and Mercedes can’t? If that’s not a cop out by Mercedes, what is?

  • avatar
    Acubra

    Das ist Marke Hurerei…


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