By on July 14, 2014

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Last year, my pals at Third Rock Events threw a brilliant rooftop party in Charlotte, NC for about five hundred of their closest friends. Even constant rain didn’t stop the show. I’m still trying to figure out how I went back to the hotel alone from that one; the women were all gorgeous and highly inebriated. Oh yeah, I remember now: because Bark made me stick around to help clean up.

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Good news: the party’s on again this year. $40 for unlimited food, beer and vodka. Our own Caroline Ellis will be working as a hospitality girl. So, you know, be hospitable to her. This time it’s at Charlotte Trolley on August 9th, from 7PM to 1AM. Follow 3rd Rock on Facebook for more details. As soon as the party’s over, Bark and I will be heading to VIR to take part in an actual Guinness World Records attempt. Come hang out with us and meet some of Charlotte’s most exciting people!

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180 Comments on “Your Chance To Spend The Night With Caroline, Jack And Bark...”


  • avatar
    PonchoIndian

    I can see 8 potential reasons why this event would cause me to get divorced, and that is only from one picture.

  • avatar
    mjz

    Jack, totally OFF TOPIC, but what ever happened with Vodka McBigBra’s car purchase? She was considering the Mirage…

  • avatar
    NoGoYo

    Damn, that one blonde is TALL.

    Unless the other girls around her are all like…5’2″.

    • 0 avatar
      johnsha

      Have heard this event is full some of Charlotte’s finest pieces of a$$! Tall Blond might be a Tranny! Check for Adam’s Apple and deep voice!

      • 0 avatar
        April

        Johnsha, so much Misogyny in three sentences…

        Apparently you do not realize the word “tranny” is considered a extremely offensive slur.

        P.S. Grow up.

        • 0 avatar
          bball40dtw

          He is sure one classy gentleman.

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            I want to know how he knows about the telltale “Adam’s Apple and deep voice” Sound’s like a personal discovery… Surprise!

          • 0 avatar
            DenverMike

            @Johnsha – She’s no tranny. All woman. Clearly there’s no AA. Blow it up 2X if you don’t believe. Sorry to disappoint…

            But why are you hoping to find trannys there? Or anywhere??? Whatever turns you ON, but I guess it doesn’t matter for many ‘acts’… Better an incredibly HOT tranny than a real homely REAL broad. For somethings (I guess!).

        • 0 avatar
          slow kills

          Thanks for the laughs, April. Very clever spoof of a self-righteous feminist buzzkill.

          If I thought you were serious, I’d ask whom is offended by what is presumably an extremely offensive slur. LOL

          • 0 avatar
            April

            @ slow kills. No spoof. LOL

            Anyone trans (or a friend/ally) would be offended/incensed by the lack of humanity/respect directed toward a non-cis (a female that was not assigned female at birth) women. It’s Misogyny (hatred of women) all the same.

            @DenverMike. “Tranny” is considered just as offensive a slur to a Trans person as using the “N” word toward someone who is a POC (Person Of Color).

            @Johnsha, Transwomen are (all) women. Surgical status notwithstanding.

          • 0 avatar
            slow kills

            Where does she get this hilarious schtick? I think it’s a trap.

        • 0 avatar
          PrincipalDan

          April, I have no idea why you are here but I’m glad that you hang around. This place might as well be Jalopnik without a voice like yours.

          • 0 avatar
            April

            I’m here because I like cars but I think we could do without the sexism. As things stand the site will become a graveyard once the haters run off the younger folk (including women). Then the grouchy, hate filled old types die out.

          • 0 avatar
            DenverMike

            Sex(ism), Drugs and Rock-n-Roll…

            @April – I guess it’s always been that way. For us, cars take the place of drugs. OK, drugs occasionally, but the 2 don’t go together. Beer mostly. Different mindsets. But the sexism and Rock-n-roll are the constants. And the women folk are always welcome, out back in the garage, but they can’t expect us to clean up the sexist banter and remove the sexy posters of scantly clad or naked women just because they join the party. I’m sure most don’t mind it in the least. Better than endless talk of kids, babies, menstral cycles, being prego, stretch marks, etc, etc.

            Sexism in the workplace? No. But elsewhere? The job site rules are relaxed, as always. The guy’s “hang out” for me, is after-hours at a buddy’s muffler shop. Women are obviously welcome, and if they’re offended by what’s said, they’re welcome to feel that way. It’d be different if it was us that joined their tea party, Yoga class or book club with our loud, belching sexist ways.

            Historically, women weren’t allowed where men congregated and hung out. Never mind the female reporters in the men’s locker room. Back in the Old Days, they had better be serving the beer and samishes. Then scram! Btw, do you know what “Golf” stands for? Gentlemen only, ladies forbidden. I’m glad those days are over, but do miss the “Three Martini Lunch”…

            “Tranny” is slang, but it’s an “offensive slur” only if Transsexuals wish it to be. “Term of endearment”, if you ask me. But they’d be offended with any slang term you can come up with, before you can come up with it. Some people are just always looking to be offended.

            So why aren’t veterinaries offended with the “Vets” slur? That’s their “N” word… What about veterans?

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            “I’m here because I like cars but I think we could do without the sexism. As things stand the site will become a graveyard once the haters run off the younger folk (including women). Then the grouchy, hate filled old types die out.”

            … and there it is, the truth about the B&B. You go, girl!

          • 0 avatar
            CJinSD

            Have you looked at Jalopnik PrincipalDan? They are to righteous indignation what soccer players are to taking dives.

        • 0 avatar
          PonchoIndian

          April,
          Aren’t you the one who questioned someone’s manhood or organ size based on their choice of car, I think it was Challenger Hellcat?

          Slightly ironic?

          • 0 avatar
            April

            No.

            You also will not see me using insulting/degrading slurs like some have kindly shared with us on this thread.

      • 0 avatar
        Nick_515

        You should check with Jack and Bark to see if they will refund your entry fee, johnsha. i am sure it is clear to them that you represent the kind of quality they hope to see in attendance of their party.

      • 0 avatar
        racer-esq.

        Unwarranted mean spirited personal attacks are not cool.
        This poor (beautiful, likely well educated and successful) woman already had to spend the whole night hearing about Jack’s watch collection, and how watches aren’t made like they used to be, and how he writes for something called a car magazine, that people get to extend their frequent flyer miles if they don’t have time to take a vacation, etc.
        Now your ignorant sh_t on top of it?

      • 0 avatar
        Hillman

        Wow, that is not okay to use that word. Like April said, it is horribly offensive.

        • 0 avatar
          S2k Chris

          More offensive than taping your wiener down and squeezing into some size-12 heels?

        • 0 avatar
          slow kills

          It is offensive to transmissions to link them with gender-benders?

          • 0 avatar
            05lgt

            It’s offensive to equate the rights and feelings of a human to a mechanical device, even if you can’t understand either. One simple rule: if you can tell what they self identify as, that’s what you call them. It’s not about you, they’re not “trying to trick” you. You just happen to be in the same area sometimes, and need to stop harshing their buzz.

        • 0 avatar
          Hillman

          Would any of you all say that in your office or on national tv? I know the answer to that question but I just don’t understand why some people would go out of their way to insult other people when they are anonymous.

          • 0 avatar
            S2k Chris

            Like I said, if you tape your dick down and prance around like a fairy, what fat dudes on the internet call you is the least of your fabulous worries.

          • 0 avatar
            NoGoYo

            Jeez, all I did was say that a woman was tall! What have I done?

          • 0 avatar
            brenschluss

            //

          • 0 avatar
            slow kills

            I would like to praise S2k Chris for pointing out the obvious reality here. This gender-bending stuff is as foolish as if I wanted people to pretend that I was born a pick-up truck and address me as Ford F150. Hey, that’s what’s going on in my cuckoo mind and you gotta respect it hahharhar!

            If a shim wants to be free of just societal judgement, they can go back to the mental hospital where he belongs.

  • avatar

    Should be a fantastic event. All of the proceeds from the event are going to charity, as well, so you can feel much better about your morally questionable decision to attend.

  • avatar
    28-Cars-Later

    “Your Chance To Spend The Night With Caroline, Jack And Bark”

    So who gets the bed?

  • avatar
    seth1065

    I thought it was Bob, Carol, Ted and Alice, not Jack Caroline, , Bark and a player to be named later.

  • avatar
    Kaosaur

    If I leave directly from work and do 80+ the whole way, I can get there by 8pm.

    Except my car has no AC and I’d be a sweaty, stinking mess by the time I got there. :(

  • avatar

    Bark is such a kraB to make you help clean up

  • avatar
    Master Baiter

    You need to work on your rock star look. The tucked-in, long sleeve dress shirt with the sleeves down is pretty lame.

  • avatar
    korvetkeith

    Interesting. I will be in NC, but for an engagement party the same day.

  • avatar
    319583076

    Let’s stop pulling our punches, the band photos look like an open-stage blues jam at a suburban strip-mall sports bar. Dad-rock embarrassment abounds. O_o

  • avatar
    Lou_BC

    Sounds fun but it is 4,500 km and a crabby wife distance away.

    I can cope with the 4,500 km but not the crabby wife.

  • avatar
    APaGttH

    On the subject of Caroline…aren’t we overdue for a Chevy Sonic update?

  • avatar
    GST

    Celebrity208
    Good!!

  • avatar
    TMA1

    Carpool, anyone?

  • avatar
    turboprius

    I’ve been around crowds of people who are drinking, and it’s not pleasant. They’re all fake, loud, loopy, and annoying. Health class and my mother have told me drinking is bad; don’t do it.

    What Johnsha said was hilarious yet completely inappropriate, not only because it was unexpected on a place like here, but it was true (the woman in the pic isn’t trans, just saying). Do those checks; ever since I read about Thomas Beatie in the world records book, I’ve been paranoid, checking people to see if they’re truly a man or a woman. Shoe sizes, curves, voices, builds, heights, etc. We don’t need anymore pregnant “men” or trans “women”. (Sorry, couldn’t think of anything gender specific for men).

    • 0 avatar
      April

      Being so paranoid about whether someone is trans would be considered a irrational fear. Honestly, everyone needs to get over it.

      Disclosure. I’ve dated two transwomen. As I told a friend. I fell in love with their hearts and not their plumbing.

      • 0 avatar
        racer-esq.

        “Disclosure. I’ve dated two transwomen. As I told a friend. I fell in love with their hearts and not their plumbing.”

        Let’s be honest here. As nice as the “good heart” part sounds people don’t change their orientation because of a good heart. It would seem, from your dating those individuals, that you are at a place on the orientation spectrum where, when there is a beautiful face, nice body, and, depending on surgery, nice chest, you are open to the pluming that remains.

        A lot of the people saying some incredibly nasty things here are likely insecure (not that they should be) that they are in the same boat.

    • 0 avatar
      April

      One more thing. As far as the terms used to identify trans folk Female to Males go by Transmen and Male to Females are known as Transwomen.

      I’m curious, what is your solution to get rid of transsexuals? Murder them? (because that is already happening)

      • 0 avatar
        mcs

        I worked with a brilliant engineer that also happened to be transgender. I could always count on her for solid design advice. Bigotry can hold you back in life. I have a lot of friends in the LGBT community and my life is better for having known them.

      • 0 avatar
        S2k Chris

        I don’t need to get rid of them, I just want to be able to ridicule and shame them, same as we do for hipsters, fat girls, and Canadians.

      • 0 avatar
        slow kills

        Wow, I totally will continue to call them trannies and shims, but your little neologisms are surely endearing to someone.

        Trannies belong in mental hospitals, obviously. Are we going to pretend that there is not severe mental illness (aka crazy in the head) present?

        • 0 avatar
          el scotto

          Well, I’m just all sorts of confused about all this. First of all, is there a mental illness that doesn’t involve being “crazy in the head”. Are there other body parts involved in mental illness? I think we need further explanation if there are other body parts involved. In you mind, are there heterosexuals that are “crazy in the head”? I mean there are still states where my gf and I can be arrested for sodomy. Now that’s a tongue teaser for you to ponder. I most humbly await guidance and clarification about these things.

          • 0 avatar
            slow kills

            If one is unable to function properly in the healthy body that they were born into, this is a mental issue and it is a mental dysfunction. I am not going to pretend that there is anything normal, healthy, or natural about it because there idiomatically is not.

          • 0 avatar
            VoGo

            Slow kills,
            Degrading people with insulting names and proposing they be locked in mental institutions for being who they are? These tactics have been used for centuries to attack minorities by groups like the Nazis, during the Spanish Inquisition, etc.

            You have the right to your opinions, but because they are so offensive, we ask that you stop posting this ugliness to a site about cars.

        • 0 avatar
          April

          Too bad there is no moderation here. All the degrading comments/slurs (just as bad if not worse that the Subaru wagon review incident/debacle) really take away from TTAC being a top tier automotive site.

          @ slow kills. The word tranny is bad enough but shim is the worse slur you can call trans folk. I hope one day you will realize such hate is uncalled for and you will apologize for the pain you caused.

          One more thing. Considering all your bravery slinging such horrible insulting words and comments from behind a computer keyboard, you really need to try that in the presence of a transman or transwoman. You may not like what happens next.

          With love,

          April

          P.S. I’m trans.

        • 0 avatar
          Pch101

          “Trannies belong in mental hospitals, obviously.”

          It isn’t obvious to the APA, which surely knows more about psychiatry than you ever will.

    • 0 avatar
      djsyndrome

      We don’t need any more closed-minded bigots either, but here we are.

    • 0 avatar
      Chaser

      racer-esq> you continue to have some of the best posts on here. Funny stuff!

      mikey> Our taste in cars couldn’t be more different, but I wish I lived closer to Canada so we could debate it over many cold brews. If you ever come to southern America, I assure you our hospitality is not overrated!

  • avatar
    Master Baiter

    “…They’re all fake, loud, loopy, and annoying.”

    That’s ’cause you’re not drinking too. If you’re the only sober one in the room, yeah, it sucks.

    I think if you manage it well, drinking adds a certain color to life that is missing for those who abstain completely. It’s a fine social lubricant when used in moderation. I imagine half of us wouldn’t be here if not for alcohol.

  • avatar

    So, Jack announces he, his brother and Caroline are having a party in a few weeks, with proceeds going to charity. A few photos are posted, one of the B&B makes a tacky “tranny” joke about the tallest woman in one of said photos, and the ugliness arose among some of this group as others called them out for said ugliness.

    And yes, it is ugly.

    I can’t promise this won’t turn into a Ruggles-esque wall of text, but I’ll do my best to keep this brief.

    1) I am a woman — and your news-summarizing contributor for The Truth About Cars — who just so happens to be transgender.

    2) Unless one is talking about transmissions, from the almighty six-speed manual driving diesel power to the rear wheels of a brown station wagon circa right now, to the “much beloved” CVT, the word “tranny” ( as well as “trap,” “shemale,” “shim,” “it” et al) are slurs. Thus, those who use them are insulting me. After all, most of you haven’t had to deal with the kind of bullshit I’ve dealt with in the past, from simple misgendering, to threats of rape and/or murder. Those slurs are just the hideous masks worn while whispers behind my back and chants of “faggot” to my face — and worse — make their presence felt.

    Hell, one time, I got into a fight with an individual because of bullshit like that. Lost a camera, a few drops of blood, and the guy was eventually arrested. Alas, he didn’t bleed like me; I’m not exactly a fighter.

    3) But hey, I’m so happy to hear some of the B&B would like to see me, along with my brothers and sisters, on the funny farm where everything is so wonderful because I’m not here for you to dehumanize; you know who you are.

    4) Also: Comments and slurs like what I’ve read thus far — and I don’t read most comments because I just don’t have the time — don’t just affect those like myself; they affect anyone who can be just perceived as being transgender.

    Case in point: A few days ago, a non-transgender woman was documenting a garbage problem in Seattle — where I call home — when two other non-transgender women attacked her because they believed she was transgender. She wasn’t, but they believed, and that was all that mattered. One was arrested and charged with committing a hate crime, the other is still hiding.

    But, don’t let that stop you from making those tacky, wacky tranny jokes at those who clearly aren’t. In the meantime, let me cite my source: http://www.kirotv.com/news/news/women-charged-transgender-hate-crime/ngd2c/

    Allow me to close with this: Some of you would like me to grow a thicker skin. I’d like to kick your ass, but frankly, none of you are worth the time, effort or paperwork.

    Some of you may take my side, applaud me for coming out et al. Thank you for your decency, and your humanity.

    Finally, some of you just want to talk about cars, and the truth about them. And what to wear for the party. I wouldn’t mind that at all.

    TL;DR: Stop being a douche around transgender people — like yours truly. Thanks.

    • 0 avatar
      Lie2me

      I knew this about you Cameron, but enjoyed your writing so much that I never gave it a second thought, as it should be

      • 0 avatar

        Cameron, I never knew, nor would I really care. Doesn’t affect your writing @ TTAC at all to the best of my knowledge. I commend your bravery for sharing a bit more of yourself with the TTAC readers. Thank you.

    • 0 avatar
      Stumpaster

      Oh no! Now I have to re-read everything you wrote to ensure that I did not inadvertently gulp some of that transgender coolaid from your writing. And if, as a result, I notice that my chest is getting less hairy and growing, I am suing TTAC for negligent reporting practices!

    • 0 avatar
      Monty

      Thanks, Cameron. More of us need to speak up, and speak loudly, when such hateful comments are made.

      Cameron wrote: “4) Also: Comments and slurs like what I’ve read thus far — and I don’t read most comments because I just don’t have the time — don’t just affect those like myself; they affect anyone who can be just perceived as being transgender.”

      Those comments you reference affect more than those who can be perceived as transgender, they affect and offend anyone with a shred of humanity,

      My life is much richer and fuller having friends and customers from all over the gender spectrum, as well as many friends who are different colours, different races and different religions.

      Unfortunately my life is much poorer today for having read through the bigoted and hurtful comments in this thread. Obviously freedom for all as guaranteed by the Constitution only applies to privileged white cis men.

    • 0 avatar
      Zekele Ibo

      Thank you Cameron for your dignified and robust answer to the disgusting bigotry displayed by some of the posters above. I appreciate the quality of the work you do here on this site; always concise, accurate and well-written.

      But I have to say, it’s a shame that you appear to be alone amongst the editors of this site in condemning the hateful posts. Why the silence from the other editors? Why are they letting the bigotry stand? Are there no rules of conduct any more for posting on this site?

      Can someone lock or delete this whole thing now so we can get back to discussing cars?

      • 0 avatar
        mikey

        @Zekele Ibo…..Very well said. I can’t speak for the rest of the B&B , but you have certainly got a read on my thoughts.

        Derek..Jack…You can guys can do it. Kill the whole thing right now.

      • 0 avatar
        S2k Chris

        Jesus Christ, hurtful bigotry? For a word that was all fine and good last week, but hurts the feelings of the protected nutcase class of the week? When do I get to make up my own delicate group of guys who like to spank it to lesbian cheerleader pr0n and demand everyone support my lifestyle and stop throwing around hateful words like “pervert” which is just the same as the n-word, don’t you know, and stop judging me just because I like to see 18y/o blonde chicks with b-cups finger bang 19y/o c-cup brunettes?

        Some of you need to untwist those panties you’ve squeezed yourself into and quit yet bitching.

        • 0 avatar
          VoGo

          Chris,
          I don’t know where to start with this post. All I can do is ask that you focus on cars here, and keep all this other stuff to yourself, or take it elsewhere.

        • 0 avatar
          Zekele Ibo

          Hmm, classy.

          I don’t see anyone criticizing you for your tastes. I don’t see anyone calling you a nutcase, or a pervert. I don’t care about offending people, or being offended myself, during a constructive conversation or exchange of beliefs or ideas.

          But there is nothing insightful or constructive in your or other similar comments. It’s just hate. Valueless, useless, pathetic bile.

        • 0 avatar
          Lie2me

          Chris post this BS on Yahoo! where it has an audience of undereducated, never left the neighborhood worldly types like yourself who I’m amazed can even operate a computer

          • 0 avatar
            slow kills

            Are ad hominem attacks on other members really called for? Can I speak on your moral superiority now?

        • 0 avatar
          el scotto

          We don’t need to “judge” you; you’ve already convicted yourself. Trying to be funny, or in your mind, cool; and talking about lesbian cheerleader porn just shows us you don’t drink ignorance oil; you bathe in it. Your boasting about enjoying a sub-genre of a genre that is considered a parody (at best) of real life makes many of us have serious doubts about anything you say. Anything.

          • 0 avatar
            CJinSD

            “Your boasting about enjoying a sub-genre of a genre that is considered a parody (at best) of real life makes many of us have serious doubts about anything you say. Anything.”

            You made Chris’ point more effectively than anyone ever could intentionally. You’re saying that he has exposed himself as a freak that should be summarily dismissed for his sexual tastes that consist of liking to see members of the opposite sex at their peaks of healthfulness and fertility. You were brought to this level of absurdity by your efforts at defending people mutilating their genitalia in acts of technologically enhanced narcissism. You should consider getting far away from Charlottesville. There might be something in the water.

          • 0 avatar
            slow kills

            “You were brought to this level of absurdity by your efforts at defending people mutilating their genitalia in acts of technologically enhanced narcissism”

            See, the whole world has not gone mad in this make-believe silliness. CJinSD sees things as they are, free from inane distortion and bullying.

            Thank you for calling out this charade.

    • 0 avatar
      Monty

      Zekele and Mikey – I respectfully disagree. I’d rather that the bigots get an opportunity to hear from other more rational persons and possibly learn something. If we just shut this down, then we’re not allowing everybody a fair chance to voice their opinions whether or not we agree with their positions. Free speech and all.

      I was very lucky – my parents were the models for tolerance when I was growing up in the 50′s, 60′s and 70′s; we raised ours to be even more tolerant, and now my son and his wife-to-be identify as queer, and are very involved in the LGBT community, and I couldn’t be prouder.

      By closing the thread we won’t able to keep shouting NO, THAT’S NOT ACCEPTABLE to the bigots.

      • 0 avatar
        Zekele Ibo

        @Monty – I understand your point, but insults and hate are not “opinions” as such, and I’m not seeing much in the way of constructive dialogue.

        I feel I have to do this, as I assume Cameron did, but objectively a website about cars is not the right place for a discussion about bigotry. What’s more, this flamewar is already starting to spread to other discussions. I don’t see what good will come of this, I just can’t let the hate stand without comment. If I get banned or my posts deleted, so be it.

      • 0 avatar
        mikey

        I’m a 60 year old high school drop out, that spent a life time in the “blue collar” world. Worse yet, I’m a Liberal Canadian .

        Racism ,and bigotry are not part of my world. I come here to read about cars, not this garbage.

        • 0 avatar
          Lie2me

          Please note, Mikey, that my comment above was aimed at those who choose not to think beyond what a limited education and social exposure might otherwise narrow their perspective, you obviously have chosen a broader view of the world

      • 0 avatar
        slow kills

        Monty, you get to SHOUT about something being unacceptable, and that something is what someone else said?
        You calling anyone a bigot or unacceptable is not acceptable. The PC crowd are such hypocrites.

        • 0 avatar
          Lie2me

          If someone suggests that you might be ignorant the best remedy might be to STOP BEING IGNORANT

          • 0 avatar
            slow kills

            Could you stop being arrogant? And calling names.
            We know what a tranny is. Who is asking us to ignore commonly used terms, to ignore reality? That is ignorance.

          • 0 avatar
            VoGo

            slow kills,
            We all know what the “n-word” means, but since it is offensive, those of us trying to live in peace with others don’t use it.

            Ignorance isn’t defined as avoiding the use of slurs and insults. It’s defined as a lack of learning or knowledge.

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            “We know what a tranny is.”

            …and thanks to you we now know what an “idiot” is

          • 0 avatar
            S2k Chris

            The problem is every little group wants to decide that their slur is incredible awful and demeaning and just like the n word and blah blah blah. Tranny is simply a shortened version of the word transsexual; these wannabe queens don’t just get to all the sudden decide that the slang is terrible and offensive and blah blah blah because they want it to be so they can have more attention.

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            Their lives are rough enough, so they’ve asked you not to use “tranny” and blacks have asked you not to use the “n” word and gays have asked you not to call them “f*gs”

            Is that too much to ask?

          • 0 avatar
            S2k Chris

            Maybe if their lives are that rough, they could stop wandering around in public dressed as women?

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            …and maybe blacks shouldn’t drive donks and gays shouldn’t marry who they love and Latinos should go back to where ever, etc. etc. OK, then what, oh, the Jews, Poles and Italians look and act different, let’s get rid of them.

            So, what about you? Who are YOUR people? I’m sure we can find out something about you that doesn’t quite fit our standards

          • 0 avatar
            S2k Chris

            I’m a straight white boring married upper middle class male. I doubt it. But if you did I wouldn’t have an emotional meltdown about it on the internet.

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            Come on, give. White? what kind of “white” Northern European or Southern European? What about religion Catholic, Protestant? Whatever you are someone out there will hate it and wish you would go away

          • 0 avatar
            S2k Chris

            English and Irish. Non practicing Protestant. I’m sure someone doesn’t like me, but again, notice my complete lack of a need to throw a fabulous pity party about it.

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            Irish? recovering alcoholic, or are you still a booze hound?

          • 0 avatar
            S2k Chris

            Dug deep for that one, didn’t you Freud? Given that we’ve reached the limit of your vast cognitive functions, I’m going to sleep. Sweet dreams.

        • 0 avatar
          slow kills

          Look at all the abusive names and slurs that Lie2me throws out in his crusade of politeness and tolerance.

          Hypocrite.

    • 0 avatar
      Chaser

      Hey Cameron, I rarely comment but I just wanted to say that I love your articles on TTAC and I think you’re a refreshing change from a lot of the clickbait that is posted on here. You’re a great writer and you seem like a damn fine person. This is coming from a 100% straight hetero male from rural NC. There are many of us who are rednecks but not bigots, but sometimes our voices aren’t heard over the din of all the hateful blowhards out there. I wish you the best and keep doing what you do!

    • 0 avatar
      turboprius

      Cameron, you’re 100% right, and I’m proud of you for revealing the truth about yourself on here.

      As with some of the other things I’ve said on here, I should’ve kept the whole last part of my comment to myself. Though I don’t know if I know any transgender people in person, if I did, I’d still treat them the same as I do now. After I posted that comment, I was continually thinking about going back on my computer and requesting for it to be deleted, because I knew it was a dumb mistake on my part. While some of my views are extreme, I should just keep my mouth shut in the future

      So, this thread has been my big lesson about being careful online, as I was thinking “Wow, I’ve said stuff on an automotive community where I’m close to no one that those who are closest to me don’t know about”. I actually wanted someone who was transgender to chime in, so thank you for doing so. I’m sorry, B&B, and if I go on an extremist rant in the future, please let me know. Thanks.

    • 0 avatar
      Monty

      @slowkills – “Monty, you get to SHOUT about something being unacceptable, and that something is what someone else said?
      You calling anyone a bigot or unacceptable is not acceptable. The PC crowd are such hypocrites.”

      Just because it’s your belief doesn’t make it acceptable.

      And, if you have the right to make a hurtful, demeaning comment, I have just as equal a right to argue against it, don’t I? Why am I a hypocrite for that?

      And, please explain how the comments (and you know which ones I refer to) are acceptable?

      • 0 avatar
        slow kills

        The thought that you are not always right has never occurred to you, has it?

        Men dressed up like women are funny and will be laughed at. It is ridiculous. You know what is demeaning? Masquerading as something that you are not, and asking others to play along with the twisted lie. THAT is demeaning.

        • 0 avatar
          Lie2me

          These people have done nothing to harm you or take anything away from your quality of life, all they’ve asked for is a little respect, but yet you insist on marginalizing and ridiculing every aspect of their lives, why?

        • 0 avatar
          April

          @ slow kills. No one is masquerading. Just because you do not understand gender identity it does not erase their existence or humanity.

          As far as myself, You are accusing me of Ego stroking? So funny. I didn’t check TTAC that day hoping someone would belch out a slur directed at Transsexuals.

          I mentioned I am trans to stand up against the hate and vicious slurs that were being thrown about. No agenda here.

          @S2k Chris. We are the only ones who get to decide what words are hateful, derogatory or insulting. Not you or anyone else.

          • 0 avatar
            slow kills

            It’s all about you. A commonplace term was used and you jumped on a soapbox to promote your bizarre life choice. YOU derailed this entire page and made it all about the trannies.

            This is BS. You self-define as trans, but tranny is hateful? Seriously. Is doggy or girly a slur?

            Opportunism pure and simple. Have you considered that one reason many dislike the “alternate lifestyle” crowd is that they are so self-centered? It’s all about them.

            ” We are the only ones who get to decide what words are hateful, derogatory or insulting. Not you or anyone else.”
            YUP ALL ABOUT YOU. YOU MAKE THE RULES.
            No. You are not better than society. You know what you are, and I have no idea why you think it’s something special in any positive way. Your choice is on par with a coprophage.

          • 0 avatar
            VoGo

            slow kills,
            This is the point in the conversation when people start to realize there is a reason why people like you persist in this hatred.

            Like the senator who spent his life fighting against gay rights, and then was arrested in an airport bathroom for his “wide stance”.

            Or the avowed member of the KKK, who turns out to have African American ancestry.

            Listen, feel free to live your life as who you are. But please desist in denigrating others who try to do the same.

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            …and VoGo nails it!

            “The lady doth protest too much, methinks”

          • 0 avatar
            slow kills

            That old trope.
            Nice attempt at a slur. Despite your sugar coating, you reveal the natural revulsion to such types of people. So transparent. Just hopping on the bandwagon because you lack a spine.

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            Did you mean to say “That old tripe”?

            Ok, I see what I’m dealing with, good luck to you

            2nd grade is waaay cooler then 1st grade

          • 0 avatar
            S2k Chris

            “slow kills,
            This is the point in the conversation when people start to realize there is a reason why people like you persist in this hatred.”

            And here’s a sterling example of Mr. Kills’ point! It’s all “Hatred!” and “Bigotry!” from the alternative crowd, but what are Slow Kills and I really doing? Are we demanding the lifestyle go away? Are we yelling about how terrible it is? Are we objecting to anyone’s participation in it? NO! All we’re doing is questioning the constant moving of goal posts around what a slur is and what is offensive.

            The gay/alternative lifestyle community would love nothing more than making whole-heartedly embracing everything that is gay or crossgendered or whatever other weird stuff they dream up to be deemed “hateful bigotry” but that’s not how it works. When you are TRULY oppressed, sound the alarm, but when a couple people simply object to having to avoid yet another word because it hurts someone somewhere’s feelings, that’s not hateful bigotry, no matter how loudly you whine and cry about it.

          • 0 avatar
            VoGo

            S2K,
            You are right that the goalposts have moved. When I grew up in the 70′s, my father turned into a fountain of racist epithets whenever he drove, and no one minded. Terms like African-American didn’t exist.

            Bullies constantly used slurs for gays or Asian-Americans to insult people, and typically got away with it. And the football team in Washington didn’t think twice about its name.

            When I went to college, no one really seemed to care that a bunch of gays and heroine addicts were dropping dead from the strangest diseases, certainly not enough to devote meaningful research dollars to stopping HIV/AIDS.

            Today, we are a more evolved society, and we will continue to evolve. A part of that is moving past vocabulary that is hurtful and incites violence.

            So my ask is that we get past all the name-calling and focus on cars.

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            @ Chris, If you want to throw your lot in with “Slow Kills” so be it. I can see the jokes already…

            A drunk and a moron walk into a bar…

          • 0 avatar
            S2k Chris

            And my ask is that you stop trying to associate words that may not be polite with being hateful and violent. Understand the difference, stop crying wolf, and the world will take you more seriously.

          • 0 avatar
            S2k Chris

            Lie2me, where did you get drunk from? I see what you’re trying to do, but your 4th grade debate skills are showing through and it’s readily apparent you don’t even understand your own argument.

            Let’s recap, shall we?

            You: “sexual preference shouldn’t define anyone!”
            Me: “Well, if you don’t want to be defined by it, don’t beat everyone over the head with it”
            You: “I’m sure you do stuff in public too!”
            Me: “Uh, I’m sure, but I don’t care if people talk about it, nor am I whining about how I’m ‘defined’”
            You: “You’re Irish? you must be drunk! drunk drunl drunk!”

            I’m sure you won’t comprehend this, but I thought I’d baseline us so we have a frame of reference going forward.

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            Upper middle class my butt… Married into money, did you?

          • 0 avatar
            S2k Chris

            Errr, okay… I have a professional job and a working spouse with a professional job. Any income over about $100k/yr puts you firmly in the “upper middle class”. Do I need to submit a tax return and pay stub? And why do you care?

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            Ooh, Hahaha!

      • 0 avatar
        Monty

        @slowkills – so rather than answer my questions you hurl some more insults and hate. Nice.

        What does it cost you to be tolerant and accept LGBT folk as equal? Or to accept marriage equality? Or to be friendly and welcoming to a person of colour? Zero. That’s the cost. Absolutely nothing. Yet here you are, being hateful and demeaning to a person who is only asking you to extend some common courtesy.

        Nobody is asking you to sleep with, marry or go into business with a LGBT person – all they ask is to be considered equal, as guaranteed under the Constitution.

        The cost to you? Nothing. A smile, a friendly greeting, a handshake costs you NOTHING.

        The gender spectrum is like the colour spectrum in that there’s millions of gradations, not absolute black and white. No different than any other facet of human existence – we don’t all drive or love the same cars, or all have the same body type, so why is it so difficult to acknowledge that we don’t all experience the same exact gender type?

        • 0 avatar
          slow kills

          What is being asked is submission, and it has not been common in the entirety of human history.

          People are free to reinterpret gender roles all they like. But by lying or mutilating and trying to pass as another sex, one is reinforcing established gender roles.

          We are in no way talking about sissy boys or tom girls. Your chicanery does not work here.

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            “What is being asked is submission”

            No, what is being asked is for a little respect and if you think respect and submission are the same thing, then you have more issues then can be addressed here

          • 0 avatar
            slow kills

            First, “trope” is a word. Use a dictionary if you don’t know what a word means. You might learn something.

            You’ve exhibited that you find some people unworthy of respect. Surprise! We agree about that.

    • 0 avatar
      April

      Cameron

      *hugs*

  • avatar
    Domestic Hearse

    Gawker trolls, you’re on the wrong site. Kindly recheck your bookmark and resume your discussion back at meme central. Thanks in advance.

  • avatar
    VenomV12

    Wow, this was one ugly thread, so glad I did not click on it until now.

  • avatar

    Just taking a second to reply to the question of why I have not replied: it’s because I have been doing other things.

    It’s amazing how we managed to turn a harmless post about a charity gig into a social discussion about gender identity. As a musician and artist, I come into contact with people of all colors, shapes, sizes, genders, etc. I have performed on stage in front of thousands of people with heterosexual and homosexuals alike, transgendered individuals…the music supersedes all of that.

    While I don’t think a automotive website is the place for such discussion, I am glad that it has given Cameron the chance to speak about her identity.

    • 0 avatar
      April

      Sorry for causing such a dust up. I’d rather talk about cars and more cars but I could not let the Tranny slur slide. I was trying to educate Johnsha that the word Tranny was demeaning but boom, here comes the dog pile from others with more viscous slurs and insults.

      The outright hate and violence some of us go through just to feel comfortable in our own bodies can grind our souls into dust.

      *sigh*

      • 0 avatar
        Lie2me

        Good point, it sucks that one’s sexual identity is so polarizing that it comes to define who they are as a person. When compared to everything else they think, feel and accomplish over a lifetime it should be nothing more then a footnote

        • 0 avatar
          S2k Chris

          OTOH, when “alternative lifestyles” want to put their alternativeness on display and cram it down everyone’s throats and demand “acceptance” they MAKE it defining.

          • 0 avatar
            PrincipalDan

            So as long as they hide in the shadows it is OK?

            I’m married to a woman who is not the same race as I am. It was just 46 years ago that the Supreme Court said that no one could stop me from doing that.

            As my Grandmother once said to me: “Life is too short to be unhappy.”

            I have actively encouraged everyone of the nearly 2000 students I have had contact with to pursue the happiness in their lives.

            April and Cameron have the same right to happiness and freedom we all do.

          • 0 avatar
            S2k Chris

            There’s a huge chasm between hiding and flaunting. People I work with and see on the street probably know I’m married to a female but I don’t need to constantly remind them “I like to put my P in the V!” Do whatever you want and be happy about it, just don’t ask that the rest of us know or care that you’re doing it.

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            What are you Chris, straight? Ever kiss a woman in public? Flaunting your disgusting sexual preferences? Ew, can’t you just do that at home in the dark, with the shades drawn?

          • 0 avatar
            S2k Chris

            Straw man much? Where did I bitch about Gay PDA? But if I were to say, hold a parade to remind everyone how proud I was that I love boobies and beaver, that might be over the top, and a reason why some might use my sexuality to define me, no?

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            You were defining “flaunting” as something that disgusts you and I was giving you an example of what someone else might think you did that was “flaunting” and might disgust them

          • 0 avatar
            S2k Chris

            No, I was describing them putting it on display. There’s a difference between doing something in public that people see (generally not objectionable) and doing something in public FOR people to see. If you do the latter, expect that people will use what you are showboating to define you.

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            Ever see a St. Patrick’s Day parade? Disgusting bunch of drunks in tacky green outfits flaunting their ancestry, tsk, tsk

          • 0 avatar
            April

            When people talk about “lifestyle” there really isn’t one. We really do not have a choice on the whole trans thing. We do have a choice to do something about it (transition).

            @S2K Chris. There are times when some trans folks will go public and share their story. They are not trying to “cram it down everyone’s throats”. It is for education and advocacy.

            Of the trans brothers and sisters I know, they try to go about their lives with minimum drama. The goal is to blend in and not stick out. BTW, for most of us the only agenda we have is finding a decent job, a safe place to live. Maybe find a nice person to love and to be our authentic selves.

            P.S. Maybe you are confusing trans folks with Drag performers.

  • avatar
    matador

    How did all this happen? Somebody just called one woman “tall”. I’ve met tall women before. This never happens, though!

  • avatar
    VoGo

    You are more likely to receive an apology when people like you meet the following criteria:
    – you are regularly insulted for living your life as you see fit, when you do nothing to bother others
    – you face discrimination in the work environment on a regular basis
    – you frequently are subject to degradation and threats of violence, just for being who you are
    – people just like you are beaten and even killed without cause
    – churches teach congregants to hate you
    – posters on a website focused on cars populate the message board with slurs, insults and threats of incarceration, and then act entitled and whine for an apology

    • 0 avatar
      slow kills

      I was offering some people an out before two week vacations start occurring for the uncivil side.
      http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/terms-of-service/
      Taking hints seems not to be their strong point.


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