Torque Steer? What's Torque Steer?

Derek Kreindler
by Derek Kreindler

How quaint it all seems, looking back 10 years and remembering how the enthusiast public was fretting about the Dodge Neon SRT-4 and its half-shaft threatening 250 lb-ft of torque. How could a front-drive car put such twist through the front wheels? Well, now we’re dealing with Fusions and Sonatas putting down similar figures, and the newest crop of turbocharged front-drive hatchbacks are putting down some staggering numbers.

Having just driven a 2015 Volkswagen GTI, I was sure that the 210 horsepower/250 lb-ft figure quoted by VW was a bit underrated. Turns out that’s what it really makes at the wheels, which works out to about 241 horsepower and 287 lb-ft of torque. My car didn’t have the Performance Pack and its mechanical LSD, but I didn’t think torque steer was anything to fret about.

But if I got the APR Stage 1 ECU reflash, I’d re-consider that. The 291 horsepower figure is Golf R territory, but the most astonishing number is the 367 lb-ft at the wheels. That’s as much torque as a 2004 Mustang Cobra “Terminator”, arguably one of the fiercest performance cars of the mid 2000’s, was putting down.

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  • Stottpie Stottpie on Jul 18, 2014

    Sure smells like an overrating DynoJet in here.

  • Skor Skor on Jul 18, 2014

    You wanna talk torque steer? I once drove a first gen Ford Probe GT turbo. I think it was rated at 130hp and 190ft/lbs. You could change lanes using nothing but the throttle.

  • Relton Relton on Jul 18, 2014

    Why is it that my front wheel drive car with an 8.2 liter V8, 550 ft-lob of torque, has absolutely no torque steer. None. Maybe 'cause it was made 44 years ago, when customers wouldn't buy a car with torque steer? OK, so maybe the feet, or the pounds, were smaller back then. But it's still a lot of torque. Part of the answer is tat the car runs with a negative scrub radius. This requires wheels with a lot of inset, which look cool with the right hubcaps. Part of it is equal length half-shafts. Part of it is fairly stiff suspension bushings, and the remaining part, I am convinced, is carefully thought out geometry. Bob

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    • Zykotec Zykotec on Jul 20, 2014

      @relton I admit I have never tried anything like it, so my opinion is purely based on what I have read. The pure weight above the front wheels of the Eldo (even if the 500 was a 'lightweight' for it's size) suggest that the steering wheel wouldn't be possible to turn at all at low speeds without massive assist though. I'm really tempted to try an Eldo though, as there are a couple for sale close to me. (a relly nice 68 coupe, and a very not nice 75 convertible) but nothing I have read about them suggests that they are good cars...

  • Ajla Ajla on Jul 18, 2014

    "Part of it is equal length half-shafts." I think that is a pretty big part of it.

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