By on July 1, 2014

2015 Dodge Challenger SRT

Seven-oh-seven.

In addition to 707 horsepower, the SRT Hellcat puts out 650 lb-ft of torque. When you buy yours, it will come with two keys, ZR1-style: a 500hp key and a 707hp key.

We (meaning I) will be heading to Portland to drive this thing ASAP.

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148 Comments on “The Number Is 707...”


  • avatar
    suspekt

    Does anyone know the tire sizes this thing will be running?

    I dig this car (and the Challenger V8 models in general) but I wish they had given this special model some wider “in the metal” rear fenders (a la Z06, 911 Turbo, etc). It would have seriously further enhanced this cars already sinister good looks and allowed for some 300+ section rear tires.

    Regardless, this car is going to be very high on the ‘do want’ meter for many enthusiasts of all backgrounds.

    Good job Chrysler.

    As an aside.

    It seems to me the new N/A LT1 6.2 from GM gets a lot of respect yet the 6.4 in the SRT models eclipses it both in HP and TQ with only 200cc more displacement but no direct injection.

    What gives????

    • 0 avatar

      275/40ZR20. Probably not nearly big enough, but we’ll see.

      • 0 avatar
        duffman13

        Considering I wear 255s in the back of my 240hp S2000, probably not. Unless all you want to do is smoky burnouts.

        Granted, my tires barely ever break loose unless I’m flogging the hell out of the car. I am using the stickiest stuff that’s not an R-compound though.

      • 0 avatar
        Siorus

        275s definitely won’t be enough. The S600 (614lb-ft) and S65 (738lb-ft) both run 275s in the back and neither one will hook up properly. No wheel hop or anything, just not enough rubber, even on the fairly sticky Pirellis the S65 comes with or the Continental DWs (not DWSes) we put on the S600.

        You can get stickier tires than the Pirellis or the DWs, but I don’t think it’ll be enough to matter. At least it’s an improvement over the normal SRT8 cars, which only run 245s or 255s, depending on the model.

    • 0 avatar
      LeadHead

      275 Pirellis, lets hope they picked a good compound because it’s definitely not enough tire until at least 40-50 MPH.

      As far as the new 6.4 Hemi goes, the problem is that the Hemi platform just isn’t as ubiquitous as the GM LS or LT engines. However with the Hellcat, and the Ram 2500-4500 getting the 6.4 as well, I suspect there will be a lot more Hemi interest soon enough.

      • 0 avatar

        Did you see the video that C&D released yesterday with Tim Kuniskis? It showed a Hellcat launching at Milan… looked like it hooked pretty well, but that may be the (supposedly MUCH improved for 2015) launch control at work.

        I plan to buy one of these with the M6, and I know that launching it even remotely well is going to require a lot of practice. I think I will have to pick a few weekends to go up to New England Dragway and just be resigned to looking like a slow clueless idiot over and over until I figure it out.

    • 0 avatar
      DC Bruce

      Strange. In truck duty (both of these engines in slightly different states of tune are offered in the Silverado 1500 and RAM 2500, respectively) the 6.2 beats the 6.4 in both measured horsepower and torque, the later by some lb.-ft., IIRC.

      The 6.2 in the Silverado makes it a veritable rocket (by pickup standards), but the 6.4 in the RAM is about on par with the lesser gas engines in the Ford and Chevy 3/4 ton trucks, at least in 0-60. And, it sucks gas with the best of them, too — premium gas at that!

      Waiting for the 6.2 to replace the old 6.0 in the Chevy/GMC 3/4 ton trucks.

      • 0 avatar
        Hummer

        Why would GM ruin the 3/4 trucks with the 6.2?
        The 6.2 is an amazing engine that has amazing numbers all around. But the 6.0 stomps all over it when towing, It would make more sense to replace the 6.0 with a turbo 4 cyl than the 6.2.
        Can’t believe this is even a question.

      • 0 avatar
        ajla

        “Waiting for the 6.2 to replace the old 6.0 in the Chevy/GMC 3/4 ton trucks.”

        I sure hope they don’t do that.

    • 0 avatar
      Giltibo

      Like in the case of the Shelby GT500, an engine looking for an appropriate platform… With 700 hp, the car will probably close to undrivable :-(

  • avatar
    VoGo

    I think this is a sign of the coming apocalypse. It is also awesome.

    • 0 avatar
      stanczyk

      Well said, and it’s true …
      Moder Muscle wars at full swing ! .. Ford really surpriced with 660+bhp for GT500, and 700+bhp from Chrysler is even is more impressive .. but unfortunatelly the end of this is comming..
      Next gen. Challenger .. Mustang and Camaro will be 4-door hatchbacks that’ll get max. 2.5L Turbo 4 bangers … :)
      [and don\'t blame big3 for that , blame regulators and .. banksters ..]


      (Viper needs this engine as well(lighter and ‘stronger’ than huge V10.. –>proper ‘Cobra inspired’ car should have, after all, an american V8..) and that will be a proper Corvette-killer … )

  • avatar
    SCE to AUX

    Remember the parking valet from “Ferris Bueller’s Day Off”? He’ll gladly take the 500-HP key.

    “http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVACbEHkV2Q”

    “http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4DMs262vr4″

    This car would burn the equivalent of 10x the fuel of my Leaf. I love it.

    • 0 avatar

      I. Do. Not. Let. Anyone. Valet. Park. My. Cars.

      Especially the Jeep.

      All I need is one of these morons to try to “test” my Launch control button.

      • 0 avatar
        VenomV12

        Valet parking should also have a limp mode that restricts speeds to 10 mph. Considering my car isn’t supposed to be leaving your parking lot, there is no scenario I can think of why it needs to go more than 10 mph.

        • 0 avatar
          hubcap

          I’d say a 30mph limit. I’ve been places where the parking was exactly adjacent to the event.

          But a valet key with 500 h.p.? Yeah, that’s a deterrent.

        • 0 avatar
          pragmatist

          My understanding is that Dodge did this. The valet setting is seriously crippled.

          A few weeks ago I was passing a restaurant as a valet was parking a Bentley. All I could think is ‘oh, dear’

          • 0 avatar

            The HELLCATS come with a Red Key and a Black Key (like the Veyron).

            the Red key offers unrestricted power and the Black doesn’t.

            We do have a valet key -detaching from the regular FOB, but it doesn’t restrict power. Only Ford has that as far as I know.

            Thing is, when you’ve only got a 360HP EGOboost, what’s there to restrict?

          • 0 avatar
            3Deuce27

            KBB___________

            With great power comes great responsibility and Dodge knows that. This is why every 2015 Challenger SRT with a Hellcat V8 under the hood comes with a red and black key fob. The red key fob allows the Hellcat to reach its full potential while the black key fob limits power to 500 horsepower. To engage this so-called “safe mode,” you need to enter a four-digit PIN and then put the car in Valet Mode. This will limit the engine from turning more than 4000 rpm while disabling launch control, the paddle shifting function on automatic models, and Drive Mode selections. Besides that, this function ensures that no matter how hard the valet or teenager tries, stability control stays on.

            Stopping the most powerful V8 engine ever produced by Chrysler Group takes the biggest brakes ever used by Chrysler Group and these come in the form of 15.4-inch Brembos up front. These can also be added on the regular Challenger SRT Track Package, too. All Challenger SRT models roll along on 20-inch forged wheels and are wrapped in 245/45ZR20 rubber while the Hellcat calls for 275/40ZR20 Pirelli P Zero Nero four-season tires. One last interesting feature on the 2015 Dodge Challenger SRT equipped with the Hellcat V8 engine comes in the form of the air intake seen in the driver’s side headlight. This was done to help with aerodynamics (the speedometer does go up to 200 mph, for what it’s worth) and enable more air to get to the engine.

            Dodge hasn’t announced pricing for the 2015 Challenger lineup yet but we expect the SRT Hellcat model to sit somewhere near $55,000. Production is set to kick off later this year.

            http://www.kbb.com/car-news/all-the-latest/2015-dodge-challenger-srt-bows-with-a-62_liter-v8-hellcat-engine-boasts-600-horsepower/2000010718/

      • 0 avatar
        Kyree S. Williams

        I’m with you on that. Is it really so much trouble to park your own car and know that some pimple-faced teenager won’t wrap it around a parking-garage support?

        And my car isn’t even that nice…

      • 0 avatar
        Dr. Kenneth Noisewater

        I valet’d for one summer.. The shit I saw, let alone heard about.. I wouldn’t let a valet park my lawnmower.

  • avatar
    28-Cars-Later

    I would also be impressed if you found the means to drive a Boeing 707 while you’re traveling.

    • 0 avatar
      3Deuce27

      That would be … Pilot a ’707′.

    • 0 avatar
      tjh8402

      lol @ 28-cars-later. Unfortunately, the most recent article I can find says that N707JT has been retired, which means the USAF is the only place Jack could find one to try to hitch a ride one, as I don’t think there’s any other flying civilian ones in the US.

      • 0 avatar
        28-Cars-Later

        If anyone could do it at this point, its Jack. I’m pretty sure he is in fact some sort of secret agent.

      • 0 avatar
        hubcap

        I’m pretty sure some cargo outfits out of Miami are still flying ‘em. Hell, I think a few even have DC-3s.

      • 0 avatar
        3Deuce27

        Speaking of 707′s, we were at the SeaFair hydroplane races when a 707 did a barrel roll over lake Washington. I told people about this for years and nobody believed me, now thanks to the internet, the info on this feat is widely available.

        Some time back, a stupid Airforce jock in a B-52 tried this over Moses Lake and killed all on board.

        • 0 avatar
          Dr. Kenneth Noisewater

          The prototype for the 707 (Dash 80) was also barrel-rolled, to the consternation of many of the execs watching the demonstration..

      • 0 avatar
        MBella

        and John Travolta. He still flies his.

        • 0 avatar
          tjh8402

          @mbella – according to this article, which is the most recent one I can find, he has sadly retired N707JT. He had a nightmare legal fight with a shop at KMIA and had to get a court order to get the plane back from them last year, so I don’t know if that has anything to do with it, or if it’s just that the operating costs got to be too high. Either way, its a big loss for aviation.

          http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/flight-international-editors-blog/2014/02/straight-level-25-february/

  • avatar

    I was waiting for a “final answer” on the HP – instead of that “650+ nonsense” they advertised.

    the 6.1-Liter in my 2006 EASILY made over 650HP with a Vortec V3 supercharger. I knew the 6.2-L would do 700 easily.

    My main problem is that if I supercharged my 6.4-L, I’d need to get wider rear wheels/tires because as you know, the stock setup rips lose on every single flooring of the pedal.

    The real story here is the fact that the supercharger setup is WARRANTIED and that it’s got the 8-speed gearbox – and they replaced that stupid monostatic shifter.

    Have any of you ever drove the CTS-V Coupe or any other car with more than 500HP?

    You get maximum traction when the car is standing still – all the way up to 60mph, but for the most part, the speed itself is undramatic in these new cars because they shift so smoothly and they are sound deadened.

    I can’t hear a damn thing inside either of my cars – not even blowing the horn (with the radio up).

    Furthermore, being able to go from 0 – Illegal in less than 4 seconds obviously carries its risks when the Pigs are hard up for ticket revenue.

    I think I’d rather pour my money into the sound so that you can’t hear yourself think when I’m passing by you and your wife and kids are busy staring at my SRT badges while your BMW’s “active sound speakers” are trying to simulate the sound of a V8 Engine (lol). Perhaps I’ll use my Supercharger and a Borla Exhaust with resonators?

    As I’ve mentioned before, my uncle and I hand build Ford Capris/Mustangs/etc and we add turbo/superchargers to crate motors – with parts ordered from Australia/Germany. It’s actually a lot of fun taking our creations to car shows.

    We recently purchased TWO Merkur Xr4ti and we’re in the process of turbocharging them. (videos on my page).

    • 0 avatar
      Drzhivago138

      I’m sorry, did you have something meaningful to contribute?

    • 0 avatar
      28-Cars-Later

      “0 – Illegal”

      I like that.

      • 0 avatar
        nrd515

        A friend of mine has a 2010 Challenger SRT with a stroked 6.1 blown Hemi that is now 440 cubic inches making about 800 HP at the rear wheels. It’s a lot of fun, but I think it would have been better as an NA setup instead, it’s a handful with any kind of throttle movement. He wanted the blower whine, so, it’s blown. Because of the wheelspin, the 0-60 times the EVIC reports are hilarious, a Gmeter says it’s done a best of 3.6 on the Michelin tires it has now, laying down rubber most of the way. The OE tires were melted to the belts soon after the engine and all the rest of the stuff had been installed.

        But there’s nothing that compares to the noise that it makes when it’s under full throttle, and the looks on other driver’s faces when what appears to be a stock Challenger R/T smokes them. Some of them hear the whine, and the exhaust and just know it’s a little “special”, but some clowns think their Mustang GT or Camaro SS has a chance.

    • 0 avatar
      SCE to AUX

      I thought the “T” in XR4Ti was for “turbocharged”. How does your turbo project differ?

  • avatar
    Pch101

    Surely, there must be a way to blame CAFE for the lack of performance.

  • avatar
    scrubnick

    I thought it was the cost number. 707 One Hundred Dollar Bills.

  • avatar

    Sold. I’m buying one.

  • avatar

    Hey Jack, the car in the photo is a 392, not a Hellcat.

  • avatar
    dwford

    I was hoping for 666hp

  • avatar
    April

    707 horsepower?

    About 425 horsepower of unnecessary nonsense.

  • avatar
    TEXN3

    Damn. I’d love a ride in that, I’m in Portland all the time. In fact I’m waiting to head out of there right now. This place operates on SLOW when it’s hot.

  • avatar
    dal20402

    Yawn. Too big, fat, and soft to be a track car. More power than you can possibly use on the street. This is enough power literally to break the tires loose at any speed that’s legal on any road in the country. It has no point except to win d!ck-waving contests.

  • avatar
    Felis Concolor

    SRT? More like JFC.

  • avatar
    hubcap

    {sigh}

    Alright, I’ll be that guy. That’s a nice piece of candy. All sweet and gooey but that wrapper… no thanks. Don’t get me wrong, the car as a whole does the retro thing very well but come on? Drop that thing in a lesser Viper, call it Mamba, or even Copperhead, charge 75K, done.

    As is, it might be “cool” to look at and even drive. But ownership? Nah, I’ll go somewhere else.

    • 0 avatar
      VoGo

      +1

      In my book, 302 > 707.

    • 0 avatar
      LectroByte

      It’ll probably cost $75k out the door by the time the dealers get their hands on it, and the folks you want to impress with it will still high hat you like you drove up in a V6 Dub Edition when you park next to their M5. I wouldn’t mind an extended test drive though.

  • avatar
    Silence

    Gotta love a car that can lay rubber from one end of Montana to the other in top gear.

  • avatar
    mitchw

    Somewhere very fine, Ralph Gilles is tearing this thing up. It’s that good

  • avatar
    mikey

    Very cool,…. Two obstacles stop me from running down to the local Mopar dealer ,and ordering one tomorrow . I’m too old ,and I don’t have enough cash.

    Hmmm? Maybe if I cash in some RRSPs (that’s Canadian for 401 K’s) . Now if I can just figure out how to turn the clock back 25 years,or so?

  • avatar
    3Deuce27

    AutoWeek___________

    2015 Dodge Challenger SRT Hellcat gets 707 hp
    By Jake Lingeman | 07/01/14, 4:23 pm et
    Dodge just announced that the 2015 Challenger SRT Hellcat will deliver 707 hp, in addition to 650 lb-ft of torque. Let us repeat. 707 hp. That’s more than the last Corvette ZR1. More than the new Corvette Z06. Did we mention that’s more than the frickin’ Viper’s V10?
    To get that 707 hp, make sure to bring the red key. The black key is for children, new drivers and small animals. It offers a laughably low 500 hp.
    The Hellcat comes with a TorqueFlight eight-speed transmission — unless equipped with a romping six-speed manual. Yeah, you can try to tame all 707 horses yourself, if you dare.
    Dodge also says the interior of the Hellcat was “inspired by the classic 1971 Challenger.” We hope that means bouncing needles and a wood steering wheel, but we doubt it.

    http://www.autoweek.com/article/20140701/CARNEWS/140709978?utm_source=Alert20140701&utm_medium=enewsletter&utm_term=missedarticle1more&utm_content=20140701-2015-Dodge-Challenger-SRT-Hellcat-gets-707-hp&utm_campaign=awAlert

  • avatar
    danio3834

    AMERICA!

  • avatar
    AJ

    That is one stunning car. No doubt… nice job Chrysler.

  • avatar
    baconator

    Finally, a four-wheeled alternative to the Vincent Black Shadow! You have six million ways to die…I could see choosing this one.

  • avatar
    ajla

    “We (meaning I) will be heading to Portland to drive this thing ASAP.”

    Why isn’t TTAC sending the cool Baruth to test this thing?

  • avatar
    3Deuce27

    Xr4ti’s were turbo charged. And if your playing with those, you should be well aware that a 4-6_cyl turbo engine can kick V-8 ass, especially over weight V-8 ass.

    The ’707′ Hp Hellcat may be the high water mark for Hp in this era of the latest iteration of factory sedan/saloon Hot Rods. The writing is on the wall for the Hp wars and V-10′s and V-8′s will be first on the OEM’s chopping block.

    Like the Post-War era, hot rodding will return to your neighbors garage and the tuner market.

    • 0 avatar
      danio3834

      “Xr4ti’s were turbo charged. And if your playing with those, you should be well aware that a 4-6_cyl turbo engine can kick V-8 ass, especially over weight V-8 ass.”

      Until you force induct the V8 as seen above.

      • 0 avatar
        GranMarkeez

        While we are not on the subject…

        Is that miles per gallon or gallons per mile?

        Gasoline? Alcohol? Nitromethane? What?

      • 0 avatar
        3Deuce27

        Whats above?

        We have ‘god forbid’ Electric cars in Portland that will kick the HellCats ass.

        http://youtu.be/7rVTIpS5zb4

        http://youtu.be/369h-SEBXd8

        850 ft.pds > http://youtu.be/SVkJjt_Peg0

        • 0 avatar
          danio3834

          Wait, what were we talking about?

          • 0 avatar
            3Deuce27

            ‘Whats above’ meant mockingly, as in, ‘you mean that grossly overweight vehicle above that needs all the torque it can get to have decent performance numbers posted for it.’ Big trucks Xr4ti will probably run away from it while the owner of the Hell Cat’s dick goes into the dimple mode.

          • 0 avatar
            danio3834

            Oh, what strong haterade. You’ve lost your mind, deuce. The 35 psi it would take to keep a Lima 2.3L within a bus length of the Hellcat Challenger, even in a tin can Fox body, will have it in pieces in short order.

            While completely not the point of the Hellcat, if someone wanted to build a super fast and light budget hot rod, they wouldn’t waste their time with a turbo 4 cylinder anyway. Turbo junkyard GM LS V8 engines are where it’s at.

          • 0 avatar
            3Deuce27

            LMAoff! Expected reaction.

            Danio, I know your a big fan as in ‘Fanatic’ about the Challenger, and when I can pull your chain using BTSR, how could I resist. I don’t dislike V-8′s or Challengers, but it is what it is, a heavy saloon with sporting aspirations. Pretty much a phony Pony now with big balls and nowhere to go…Oop’s! I’m doing it again and it’s not even Friday night.

            I do think it is one damn good looking sedan, though. It just disappointed me when they first arrived and they haven’t improved it enough to satisfy me. That won’t happen on its present platform, but I can still hope a little longer.

            Some background> I purchased new a 68′ Dodge Charger RT with the 440″. The Challenger weighs more then it did. Both are great looking cars.

            I will try not to beat up on it again…till next time… col!

          • 0 avatar
            3Deuce27

            Reg; “Turbo junkyard GM LS V8 engines are where it’s at”

            Funny you should mention the LS’s as that is what I/we primarily do part time in my retirement. We build ‘F’ bodies and other cars with new LS crate engines, primarily the LS376, cuzz I have a few laying around…col!

            We have yet to plumb one for a ‘HPE’ style dual/twin turbo charger, but when somebody steps up with the means to build one, we will order an LSX long block and git r done. So far everybody has been pleased with the 530Hp the LS376 has in the comparatively light weight Gen-3 ‘F’ body, and RX7′s etc.

            We had an inquiry from a gentleman who is looking at that set-up for a C4 Corvette, seems that he has bone to pick with some friend who has an SL65 AMG ‘Black’ and who is always dissing American iron. We will see what comes of it, but I figure if he is serious and impatient, he will have to find somebody else to do the work, we are too busy and loaded up for a year plus, and I’m doing some traveling over the deep blue yonder for the next year plus.

            Speaking of HPE and Ls’s, there is a match up for the Hell Cat, or at least the lower Hp HPE Camaro’s.

          • 0 avatar
            3Deuce27

            Ok! Tried to ignore this… “The 35 psi it would take to keep a Lima 2.3L within a bus length of the Hellcat will have it in pieces in short order.” … but my internal or is it infernal(?) demons won’t be denied.

            Anybody with any experience building ‘Pinto’ engines, especially turbo ones, knows how tough the lower end on a 2.3 is, and that it wouldn’t take anywhere near 35-pds of boost to make over 600Hp.

            Put that boosted 2.3 in a body it was designed for and running pump fuel, it is the equal or better of a heavier vehicle like the Hell Cat.

            To illustrate> http://youtu.be/Fv1-omYCb9c

            http://youtu.be/Uf1ShwOousI

            http://youtu.be/cBNCT4AvzMc

            The NW has been a hot bed for amped up Ford 4-cyl. engines for years now. From the 1.6_OHV to to the 2000cc and 2.3L engines. Engine builders building engines for Formula Ford and Circle track racers with a few running on the strip. And around the country there are hot ‘Pinto’ engines kicking big v-8 butt with a handful of CC’s.

            From Ivey to Esslinger Hot Ford 4-cyl’s are their business.

          • 0 avatar
            danio3834

            Talk about chain yankin, I’m glad you coun’t resist. I rarely bother with these juvenile Autoblog style pissing contests, but this is just too much fun.

            Ain’t no 2.3L Pinto engine going to make 600hp on a bone stock bottom end for long, even the factory turbo ones with forged pistons. Yes, I’m familiar with these motors. Specifically an ’84 SVO that’s been pushed to low 11s on 30+psi and meth, and an ’85 T-bird that runs 12.20s. Sure they can be built up, but to get to the next level they need serious work.

            Compare that to the ’87 Grand National with the completely stock LM7 5.3L and 76mm turbo running 10.60s and you can see why no one brings a 4 banger to NO ET events.

            You don’t have to be a ‘fan’ of the Challenger to appreciate the Hellcat, a fan of horsepower is enough. Detractors of something like this with 700hp are sucking on pure unadultered hate-sicles, nothing more. Step up your game and make a dick joke while you’re at it! That’ll show em.

      • 0 avatar
        Flipper35

        If that were the case, the Merkur would not have had a V8 in the Trans Am series.

  • avatar
    jpolicke

    Remind me again what purpose the Viper V10 serves.

    • 0 avatar
      ellomdian

      It gives you a block that can handle 1000+ HP in tuner form.

      While it’s certainly awkward that the Factory-Hot-Rod version of the Challenger now (literally) smokes the figures of the Viper, a large contingent of your Viper-shoppers are going to ‘void the factory warranty’ almost immediately on receiving the car.

      It’s just amusing that Dodge probably can’t officially make a factory hot version of the Viper – the demand certainly isn’t there, and I can’t imagine those guys over in Maranillo smiling on a 2-seat super-GT with more HP than their big baby.

  • avatar
    Zekele Ibo

    70+ comments, and not one use of the word “handling”. This is because it won’t, like the current car doesn’t.

    What a pointless piece of junk.

    • 0 avatar
      VenomV12

      That’s not the point. This thing is pretty much an instant collectible. In case you did not notice the vast majority of this country is long, flat roads that you can drive for days straight at a time. This car is just fine for what it is.

    • 0 avatar
      Zekele Ibo

      So, it’s not really a car, it’s just a penis extension for tragic, middle-aged, balding, pot-bellied, impotent golfists. Doesn’t matter that it can’t go round a corner, doesn’t matter that its only ability it to ruin its rear tires. What’s the point of driving it if it’s only a future garage queen? If handling doesn’t matter, then driving it doesn’t matter because you can’t use it on the road and you can’t use it on a track.

      • 0 avatar
        IHateCars

        You have a point….but without those guys, we wouldn’t be getting these types of cars: ‘Vette ZR1s, Boss 302s and GT500s, Hellcats etc. And the few that make it into the hands of enthusiasts that actually drive them as intended, make the exercise worthwhile.

        I truly think that we now live in the golden age of automobile performance.

        • 0 avatar

          Most of the Boss owners I know drive the hell out of them.

          • 0 avatar
            05lgt

            Selection bias. If you hang out at tracks it’s hardly surprising that most boss owners you know drive the hell out of them. That doesn’t make them representative of most Boss owners.

        • 0 avatar
          ellomdian

          No, he doesn’t have a point. He’s a troll.

          The continued obsession with ‘handling’ as the end-all be-all of a performance automobile is stupid. This vehicle is designed, literally from the ground up, to do one thing well – go in a straight line really, really, really fast and loud. I can think of over 200 ‘tracks’ that this is the perfect weekender vehicle to own – just because they are straight lines or ovals does not somehow lessen the value of this vehicle to it’s prospective buyers.

          Just because it isn’t your idea of the perfect car, you stereo-typically patronize the buyers and owners before it has even hit the dealership, demonstrating both your ignorance and likely your own issues in reflection.

          It’s rare that a comment so full of one’s self and stuck so far up their own ass comes from someone other than the typical BTRS-like schlep, but Zekele has taken that prize for today.

  • avatar
    calgarytek

    I’m ever so curious as to when they plan on adding DI to the pentastar/HEMI range. Not that they need to. But for the sake of improving fuel economy to get ‘bragging rights’.

    707 production HP from a Dodge. Hah, awesome.
    Probably one of the very few Xler products to not catastrophically depreciate.

  • avatar
    hybridkiller

    I’m thinking this car is a dream-come-true for someone who wants to get into amateur bracket racing – some drag slicks and a sawzall and you’d be all set.

  • avatar
    luvmyv8

    Good God.

    This is why I’m glad I don’t drink to excess….. because I need to sell off some organs for this. You had me at the first ’7′. Please, please please let this ignite a horsepower war in Detroit. Please. Lets see Ford’s rebuttal to this. Even so, Mopar, you did good, you did REAL good.

    Jack, if you’re reading this and are too busy or otherwise can’t review this car, I, on the behalf of the BB would take on this endeavor for you, it’s the least I can do.

  • avatar
    DenverMike

    Any Mazda will do the same smokey burnout if you chain it to a tree. What tells the story is at what speed you can hit it, and still break loose the tires. This thing sounds like it can do it at up to 80 mph.

    • 0 avatar
      hybridkiller

      This thing sounds like it can PULL a small tree out of the ground.

    • 0 avatar
      3Deuce27

      “This thing sounds like it can do it at up to 80 mph.”

      Not a chance of that with all the protect the lame-ass assists that keep the gene pool saturated with dummies.

      Oop’s! That was my other self.

      I’m back… Not a chance with all the traction controls that buffer torque and check slip. And why waste good rubber to go nowhere fast while breaking things?

      One of the main reasons the old Muscle cars, stock, didn’t post as good of times as one might think they should, was tires and traction. It took some post production suspension work and parts to enhance traction, and then you still had tires that, compared to the cheapest tires from China, today, were from the dark ages.

      • 0 avatar
        NoGoYo

        That’s why I like when they re-test old cars on a nice track with new tires.

        Pretty sure a stock Olds 442 W-30, crappy exhaust system and power-robbing accessories still in place, can hit somewhere in the 13s with modern tires. Wake the motor up a bit and you could probably hit high 12s from all that 455 torque.

      • 0 avatar
        DenverMike

        Damn on-board nannies! They probably retard everything so not to shock the drivetrain all at once. Unrestrained and with fat slicks, it’d likely twist the chassis enough to pop out the rear window.

      • 0 avatar
        05lgt

        That’s what the red key is for.

  • avatar
    blautens

    Mmmmm…smokey tire burnout smell, with just a tiny hint of Dodge Mirada. Smells like a winner to me. But…what would Lido think?

  • avatar
    kvndoom

    Must.. win… lottery… MUST… WIN…

  • avatar
    FJ60LandCruiser

    Not that I want to buy this hillbilly tire burner that will in no doubt be purchased by Powerball winners the second they move out of the trailer park, but why two keys?

    Why not just have a switch on the console that switches between the 500 and 700hp modes? It’s not as if you have to worry that the valet will joyride this thing, they don’t have them at Wendy’s.

    • 0 avatar

      Nice attempt at a classist response, but you don’t actually know what you’re talking about.

      When I was 14 (early ’80s) I spent a summer caddying at an exclusive country club in New England. One of the members, a very august older WASP gentleman, had a very red 440/6-pack Cuda, and he would bring it to the club and park it next to the XJ-Ss and 633CSis just like it belonged there… which it did, when he drove it. Nobody at the club looked down at him for it, because he wasn’t the kind of man that anyone would look down on. It was just a fun thing, sort of the automotive version of GTH pants.

      Lesson: If you carry yourself with the confidence of knowing that you really belong in the club, or don’t care whether you belong in the club or not, a car like this is a charming eccentricity. It’s when you’re STRIVING to belong that you have to have the BMW instead.

      I plan to buy one of these and I’ll take it to fine restaurants and polo matches and the Fishers Island Yacht Club and SCDA track days at Lime Rock and Thompson and wherever else I feel like going. From my perspective it will be just fine, and I don’t need to care what anyone else thinks.

  • avatar
    shaker

    It would make a great commuter car – $750/Month loan payment, $350/Mo insurance, $300/Mo fuel, $200/Mo moving violations.

    Oh, plus whatever the cost of the testosterone underarm deodorant comes to.

    I think this is Marchionne’s “compensating” for the cute little 500.

  • avatar
    cartunez

    Sighs just when I thought the CTS V was to be my last American Muscle car. Looks like I will be getting this one :)

  • avatar
    carguy

    Absolutely brilliant!

    Showing up to the muscle car gunfight with a very, very large gun.

  • avatar
    05lgt

    Sergio: “Say hello to my little friend” (pulls out red key).


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