By on July 25, 2014

2015 Dodge Challenger SRT with the HEMI® Hellcat

Road & Track has found evidence, courtesy of an SAE paper, that the 6.2L supercharged V8 from the Challenger SRT Hellcat, will make its way into the Charger.

The SAE has apparently certified the engine’s output for both the Challenger and Charger, but R&T is left wondering whether the 6-speed manual will be an option in the Charger, when it has traditionally been automatic only.

Even so, the new ZF 8-speed auto, with launch control and thoroughly modern guts, is nothing like the automatics of yesteryear. A stick shift would be nice to have, but the Hellcat seems to get its best drag strip performance when equipped with the automatic. After experiencing the 8-speed in the Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT, my own desire for a manual Hellcat is actually somewhat diminished.

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88 Comments on “Dodge Charger SRT Hellcat Confirmed...”


  • avatar

    I already knew it was coming.

    Just the latest of products from Chrysler’s “HOW BOUT’ DAT???” department.

    I think I’m going to cry.

  • avatar
    petezeiss

    This is turning into a Drag Strip Barbie® product line.

    • 0 avatar
      Superdessucke

      Drop this motor in a red Ram 1500 short bed, stick some chrome side stacks and gold L’il Red Express Truck decals on the doors and you’ll have me at hello!

      • 0 avatar
        mikeg216

        If it can fit a v-10 this will fit too, can I have it with a shifter on the column and 4×4 please?

        • 0 avatar
          DenverMike

          Column shifter? On SRT trim???? Next you’ll want a split bench in vinyl, rubber floor and gawd knows what else…???

          No, they force a center console, leather, Nav and a bunch of other crap, because they can. The best muscle truck for your buck is the base stripper truck with the biggest V8 they’ll allow and the highest (numeric) gears. And limited slip. Wear overalls and pretend you’re wanting a straight work truck… And demand a huge discount on top of rebates!

          Then bring it home and add true dual exhaust and twin catback turbos!!!

  • avatar
    PrincipalDan

    Makes me think of the 1960s when the “cool dads” could order big block Plymouth Suburban wagons, 454 powered Chevy Kingswoods. etc…

    Cars like this make me want to work harder to be able to afford a sub $50K family car that will blow the doors off the vehicles I lusted after in my high school years.

    • 0 avatar
      DeadWeight

      Dan, OT, but pursuant to our (and 28days, khrodes, etc.) discussion of this matter:

      I AM VINDICATED! I’ve been saying this for 2 years now.

      If I was to buy a new car, in front wheel drive, it would be a Buick Regal assuming I could score my traditional 20% off MSRP on one. It’s more plush yet just as planted as zee overpriced German badge status symbol competitors.

      http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2014/07/22/bmw-buick-consumer-reports-score-regal/12988137/

      Consumer Reports rates Buick Regal as well as MB C250 & BMW 328i (better in some respects), and also better than Cadillac ATS.

      ‘Consumer Reports’: Skip BMW and Benz, buy a Buick

      “Widely consulted Consumer Reports says the latest Buick Regal is about the equal of the much more expensive BMW 328 and Mercedes-Benz C250.”

      • 0 avatar
        bball40dtw

        Now you are going to get Norm all excited.

        • 0 avatar
          DeadWeight

          Trifecta tune Regal, yo!

          If I were buying a new car, it’d be a toss up between new Mustang with Coy-Oh!-tee or Regal (depending on front wheel drive or rear wheel drive).

      • 0 avatar
        Siorus

        The Regal GS is a fantastic car. I kind of feel that it’s a little pricey for the performance that you get, but-on the other hand-the entry-level German hardware is no faster and they’re more expensive, and the Buick is a really sweet car to drive.

        The GMC dealership I bought my truck from had one with a stick that’d been sitting on the lot since late 2012 that they let me take out. If I was in the market for that kind of car, I’d have bought it. It really impressed me a lot.

        The turbo 4 has a pretty stout midrange for such a small engine, and really there’s not much need to drop out of 6th to pass people on the freeway. Throttle response is better than I was expecting from a small turbocharged engine. For a FWD car it handles remarkably well; steering is a little numb but it goes where you point it without complaining or doing anything funny and the absolute limits of its adhesion are higher than I expected.

        What I found most remarkable, though, is that I absolutely could not get any kind of torque steer or wheel hop out of it. I tried. Believe me, I tried. Rolling idle in 1st gear, stood on it. Nothing. 3000RPM WOT launch with mild clutch slippage. Nothing. 3500RPM clutch dump. Nothing. 2nd gear, 30mph around a sweeping lefthand corner. Stood on it. Nothing. I tried everything i could think of short of disabling the traction control and sidestepping the clutch while bouncing off the rev limiter to get it to act up and I flat out could not do it. All I got was smooth, seamless acceleration. Completely unflappable.

        It rides well, road noise is well controlled, the seats are good, and the ergonomics of the interior-control placement, sizing, etc.-is solid. The seat heaters are better than the ones in a lot of other cars I’ve had, the stereo would impress most people. And as I recall the on-board computer said it was hitting nearly 30mpg at a steady 70mph on level ground.

        The only real complaint I had about it was that I found the manual a little clunky. Not bad, nothing I couldn’t live with and get used to, but the shifter was just a little notchy and rubbery for my taste. Overall, though… Good car. Very good car. Doesn’t get the respect it deserves.

        • 0 avatar
          DeadWeight

          I like the plush ride (plush his true luxo-sport way, tied down but well damped and filtering out harshness), the fit/finish, gauges, quietness, chassis, and the fact it’s fwd (for those of us who life in snow belt and might grow old of swapping wheels/tires in the fall).

          Opel vehicles just have a ride quality that I appreciate; Goldilocks.

          The backseat could be bigger (at least it’s bigger than the ATS, though), and I doubt it will be nearly as reliable long term as CamCorders.

          If I could score one for around 28k decently equipped, it would be compelling (if I were in the market).

          • 0 avatar
            Siorus

            “Opel vehicles just have a ride quality that I appreciate; Goldilocks.”

            They ride like proper German cars. ;-)

            Is the ATS’s back seat smaller than the Regal’s? Damn. Maybe I’m not as interested in the rumored ATS-V/V+ as I thought I was. I suppose I could carry a rip saw in the trunk for the times I need to fit more than 2 adults in the car but I’d be worried about ruining the leather. :-/

      • 0 avatar
        VenomV12

        People like you keep misusing the word overpriced. If people are willing to pay the asking price for something, it is not overpriced. You may not be happy with the price and don’t think it is worth it to you personally, but if other people are buying it, it is priced right.

    • 0 avatar
      NoGoYo

      A friend of mine’s dad actually found a derelict old Plymouth Fury wagon with a “Super Commando” 440 in it. I forget if he ever did anything with the motor or just sold it.

  • avatar

    Why do you keep bringing up this manual transmission nonsense???

    It’s as infuriating as I am to people when I keep bringing up how good the Dodge Magnum would be right now if it was brought back as an AWD HELLCAT.

    None of us buying Chargers or 300’s want a manual.

    All I got to do is hold the ESC button for 10 seconds and then FLOOR IT – in order to enjoy wicked awesomeness.

    “Rowing my own gears???”

    I AIN’T GOT TIME FO DAT.

    • 0 avatar
      eamiller

      Luckily, just like an automatic option doesn’t diminish the manual version of any car, the reverse is also true. Choice is always good.

      • 0 avatar

        If Chrysler wants to make a manual/automatic optional on every single car, I’m all for it.

        It’ll be just one more marketing reason to love Chrysler.

        But as technologically “cutting edge” as these vehicles are… I just think that a manual feels like an anachronism.

        • 0 avatar
          CoastieLenn

          What- exactly, is “technologically cutting edge” about taking an SRT-8 (of either Challenger or Charger flavor) and adding a big ass supercharger? Its’ been in play on Mustangs for decades (ie: Saleen, Kenne Belle, Shelby, Rousch, etc.) and none of them have ever been considered “cutting edge”, brand preference aside.

          Sure, the Hellcat’s have to put their testicles on a pallet jack, but going straight is all they do. That’s it. That’s all well and good but you can’t call ANYTHING wearing a Chrysler/Dodge badge “Technologically cutting edge” and be serious about it.

          • 0 avatar

            “technologically cutting edge”

            Show me another vehicle with:

            #1 An infotainment as good as Uconect
            #2 The SRT performance apps
            #3 an 8-speed automatic
            #4 launch control
            #5 a supercharger putting out over 500HP
            #6 heated/ventilated seats
            #7 heated/cooled cup holders
            #8 fold down rear seats
            #9 space for 5 adults.
            #9 a price tag BELOW $65,000.

            I’m waiting.

          • 0 avatar
            redav

            A shopping list of common features does not a cutting edge make.

          • 0 avatar
            stuki

            It has heated/cooled cupholders???

            Technologically advanced or not, that is one heck of a cool feature. The marriage of big gulp swilling ‘Mericuns and espresso sipping Italians really is a match made in heaven….

          • 0 avatar
            raph

            I wouldn’t say cutting edge, certainly polished or lots of value for the money.

            The most interesting feature to me on the Hellcat engine is the air charge cooler. That they designed it to work for 20+ minutes in 100 degree + weather is a nice touch as any GT500 or ZL1 owner will tell you the stock heat exchangers on both those cars are marginal at best only useful for quick squirts down the 1/4 or stoplight brawl.

            In the case of the Shelby, especially a pre 2013 car the cost of getting something slightly less marginal is easily 2k+ when you talking IC pump, intercooler and heat exchanger if your handy with a wrench.

          • 0 avatar
            PenguinBoy

            After reading the piece on the NSX prototype, and an earlier piece on the Panamera, I think a high performance car that can run hard for 20 minutes without halting and catching fire counts as “cutting edge”…

    • 0 avatar
      VoGo

      You have time to share every bizarre, inane thought that hops into your head, but moving a lever 4 inches while depressing a clutch is too overwhelming a time commitment?

      Some people like to be engaged in the driving process by driving a stick; it’s a pity FCA ignores them.

    • 0 avatar
      davefromcalgary

      Come on BTSR, can we declare an accord?

      I won’t complain about you liking automatic if you won’t complain that I like to drive manual, regardless of what its in?

      You will however need to negotiate your own piece settlement with CoreyDL regarding the Magnum.

      • 0 avatar
        bball40dtw

        Re: The Magnum

        There will be no peace.

        • 0 avatar
          koshchei

          I liked my ’08 Magnum a lot, but ultimately, it wasn’t a practical wagon:

          1) The tapered roof was too low in the back for our huskies.
          2) The cargo area wasn’t wide enough or long enough to actually carry anything more than a few more bags of groceries, with the back seats occupied.
          3) The visibility was brutal for tall people. It felt like looking through a letter slot to see when the light changed.

          If you were only using the back for a few pairs of skis, or stretching your grocery runs out another week, it was tremendous, but the Town and Country we traded it in for decimates it in all appreciable ways, except acceleration and cornering.

    • 0 avatar
      Stumpaster

      You realize that if you didn’t sit for 10 seconds you’d already be “there” now?

    • 0 avatar

      “None of us buying Chargers or 300′s want a manual.”

      False, or maybe self-fulfilling prophecy. Those of us who would have considered a 300 SRT last time around bought a CTS-V instead.

      If Tim K came out tomorrow and said they’re putting a 6 speed in the Hellcat Charger, I’d think seriously about getting one instead of a Challenger.

      • 0 avatar
        PrincipalDan

        How about the 300/Hurst Edition? Give us a cool shifter for the manu-matic.

        • 0 avatar
          05lgt

          PrincipalDan, you made me drool on my keyboard. What would be the equivalent of fiberglass bonded to aluminum though? Carbon Fiber body panels? That, a swivel drivers seat, a cool unique paint scheme and some aero wickedness on a Hellcat powered 300H! I’ve got to go get a roll of paper towels now.

      • 0 avatar

        ” Those of us who would have considered a 300 SRT last time around bought a CTS-V instead.”

        And spent $20,000 (or more) more.

        And those “few” people weren’t enough to save the CTS-V wagon. Especially at those prices.

    • 0 avatar
      Siorus

      “None of us buying Chargers or 300′s want a manual.”

      You’ve got at least two commenters who do. I mentioned yesterday that I’d be looking at a hellcat-powered Charger if it actually got released, but that the ZF box would make the car a very tough sell. If they shove the TR6060 in it they’ve got about as close to a guaranteed sale to me as they’ll get until I test drive it. With the ZF…… I’ll probably pass.

      The ZF is a very good transmission; I’ve been consistently impressed by it in the Audi A8 and S8, the Jaguar XJ, and in my family’s own Range Rover Autobiography. For a conventional automatic it is remarkably responsive and it shifts very quickly.

      I want my clutch pedal.

      The E60 and the F10 M5 were/are both offered with a Man Pedal only for the North American market. Why? Because their customers demanded it. The take rate on the manual in the CTS-V is pretty high. I suspect a TR6060-equipped Charger would sell well enough to justify the expense to get it in there. But I doubt it’s a gamble Chrysler is willing to take.

      The CTS-V wagon was dropped because there is no CTS wagon full stop for the redesigned car. Has nothing to do with sales or lack thereof irrespective of the transmission. So far as I know, GM made money on the -V version of the wagon last time around.

    • 0 avatar
      dantes_inferno

      Automatics are popular because it doesn’t cut into the driver’s valuable texting time.

  • avatar
    omer333

    And on that day Big Truck’s pants got two sizes too tight…

    • 0 avatar

      The truth of the matter is for just $8000 you can buy your own Mopar endorsed supercharger for whatever SRT you have. Installation is usually less than $2000 around here.

      $10,000 or so.

      The only thing exciting about this is that it’s coming directly out of the factory with all that power and it has a warranty.

      The funny thing for me will be watching all of the guys in my auto clubs desperately searching for ways to put more power in their 1st-gen Dodge Chargers to make them the equivalent of the hellcat since they don’t have $60,000-$70,000.

      Some of the guys in my club already have upgraded their engines to 426 stroker’s.

      But, then there’s that whole issue about the transmission…

      An eight speed linked to hellcat is a big deal.

  • avatar
    Master Baiter

    Knuckle draggers rejoice.

  • avatar
    cbrworm

    I’ve been known to drag a knuckle or two.

    I’ve been looking for a faster kid-hauler. Requirements, RWD or AWD, bigger brakes and more power than I need, good manners on the track (for a kid hauler), non-pretentious looks, reliable and Japanese.

    I will give up reliable and Japanese for affordable, and trade non-pretentious for a little over masculine. I wonder if it can tow a trailer?

  • avatar
    APaGttH

    Let me know when they put one in a Town and Country – brown – AWD – manual.

  • avatar
    Mandalorian

    Great decision. A four-door Hellcat with AWD (hopefully) would be perfect for those of us living in snowy places.

    Now, if it could just make it’s way into a 300 or Ram-based Grand Wagoneer….

    • 0 avatar
      LeadHead

      There will be no Hellcat AWD, or even any V8 AWD Charger for that matter.

      • 0 avatar
        wumpus

        With all the high torque truck systems on the shelf, I would have guessed that would have been the easier way to get 707hp to the pavement. Any guesses if 808hp can be applied before everything is over* in a drag race?

        * ok, it will almost certainly show up in the trap speed. But how about the time/win?

        • 0 avatar
          See 7 up

          yes, more hp will always win given equal traction between the two cars. example, Challenger SRT vs Hellcat.
          Tires resist torque. As such, one can put down more hp as speeds get higher without breaking traction. Very few cars will be traction limited on sticky street tires at 100mph. Yes even the Hellcat barring some insane, death wish, drop clutch maneuver at 90 mph.

      • 0 avatar
        Mandalorian

        LeadHead, there ARE V8 AWD Chargers currently on lots all around the country.

      • 0 avatar
        mikeg216

        I can guarantee you that it will end up in the grand cherokee srt and hopefully the yet to be seen Wagoneer

  • avatar
    tjh8402

    Although I have absolutely zero interest in buying one, and as an enthusiast, really have no desire to see it on the market, I don’t see why Chrysler doesn’t put this in the Ram. This is the company that did the SRT10 Ram after all, not to mention launched the “That thing got a Hemi?” campaign to sell the trucks. A “Ram Hellcat SRT8″ sounds like an IV testosterone drip, Chrysler could easily lay claim to the fastest, most powerful pickup, and probably print money selling them at $60k to everyone looking to have the most bad ass truck at the boat ramp.

  • avatar
    crtfour

    I want to like these but still can’t get the association of Chrysler/Dodge and low quality out of my head despite the horsepower numbers.

    My co-worker bought a new Grand Cherokee Eco Diesel a few weeks ago. It is beautiful to look at, but the first thing that caught my eye when walking up behind it from the first time was that the “Overland” decal wasn’t applied straight. Maybe I notice details too much, but that shouldn’t be seen on a 2014, $50k plus vehicle.

    • 0 avatar
      CoastieLenn

      “Maybe I notice details too much…”

      Nonsense. There’s no such thing as “too much” when you spend any decent amount of money on a vehicle these days. Considering you can get Honda Accords to crest the $40k mark and Hyundai/Kia econo-boxes to crest $28-30k, everything should be up to the tightest standards when commanding that kind of entry level cash. Sadly, some manufacturers have an innate ability to ensure that someone questions “Why did I pay this much for this car?”

    • 0 avatar

      You wouldn’t believe how many new cars I’ve seen on lots that have crooked deck-lids. Especially when the car has rear lights that extend across the rear fenders and deck-lid, it’s very noticeable…and I don’t know why anyone would ever consider taking delivery of a new car with that problem…

      • 0 avatar

        Not an excuse but a reality, hoods and back hatches, lids are the hardest pieces of hardware to fit into a car with the very short timeframe workers have to get the job done. Once you take it to the dealer to fix (time consuming, heavy, needs more than 2 guys the job), it may be straightened or not and some damage may be done. Strive to get one fitted right from the factory.

        • 0 avatar
          psarhjinian

          ^ This

          That said, it’s more a comment on the dealer that this kind of thing isn’t caught and fixed in PDI. *Especially* when you pay serious money in F+PDI fees when you buy the car.

          If the customer is paying $1000+ in F+PDI, make sure the trunk is straight, thanks.

        • 0 avatar

          Exactly. Our 2012 Sonata Limited has a slightly crooked deck-lid, but we bought it pre-owned last year.

        • 0 avatar
          SC5door

          You speak as though that there’s only one chance to get it right at the factory. Not true at all. There are checkpoints that cars go through and alignment of doors, hoods..ect can be monitored and fixed before the car even leaves the factory floor.

          • 0 avatar

            You are telling that to me? I know my friend, but then there’s the pressure to get the cars out, make numbers etc., etc., etc. We live in a human world, wonderfully flawed. As I have said before a perfect world is inflexible and intolerant so inherently inhuman. Things happen.

            EDIT: Let me add that on a more serious/technical note, perfection costs money. Makers know and take notice of the imperfect alignments etc. But they also count how much it costs to improve it and how much benefit it’d bring them. Being that in the modern world, few consumers notice and even fewer care, the factories happily pocket the extra money needed to improve this better (which is not to say they don’t study and improve their processes, but only if it’s done in a cost/effective way).

      • 0 avatar
        danio3834

        Check out the liftgate body line to the tail lamp body line on any current body style Explorer on either side. You won’t find a completely square one. Cannot unsee.

        • 0 avatar
          dtremit

          Whether the customer or the manufacturer is paying it, the dealer’s being paid. Whether it’s being done is another issue.

          I know someone who involved with the shipping details for a Ford product that had rail shipment brackets installed at the factory. They were visible from behind the car — and tended to rust quickly, as they were temporary parts. The dealer was supposed to remove them before delivery — one bolt each. Did they? Hardly ever.

        • 0 avatar
          SC5door

          Those fit issues are tough to tackle. You’ve got everything from the lamp can, the lamp assembly, to the liftgate itself. There’s been a lot of revisions to the tail-lamps to get better fits in the U502.

  • avatar
    turboprius

    As one who complains about the Challenger Hellcat being overhyped, I’m glad to see the Charger getting attention. Knew it’d be getting the Hellcat. This means one could carry their squad around the track without them complaining.

    Now, with people thinking about future ideas, I’ve got one. Can Nissan put a GT-R powertrain in a 2008 Rogue SL FWD? :3

  • avatar
    Flipper35

    But will it run with the CTS-V or M5? I guess this is the anti-Tesla Model S?

  • avatar
    arun

    This is probably a stupid question (and should probably be in the Challenger reviews)…but what happens when
    (a) water gets into the ‘air catcher ports’ they made out the headlamps on the Chally Hellcat? (rain, car wash…)
    (b) anything else gets into those ports? (like gravel, pebbles, tiny pieces wood etc)

  • avatar
    SweDane

    @arun
    That’s why Chrysler employ engineers !

    • 0 avatar
      arun

      My question wasn’t meant to be sarcastic. I genuinely want to know what happens in either of those situations. I am sure Chrysler’s engineers have thought about these scenarios but I was wondering if any of the B&B here have any answers that might be enlightening…

      • 0 avatar
        LeadHead

        Water exits through drain holes in the air box, and wood chips get stopped by the air filter…

        • 0 avatar
          arun

          Thanks. I was going by the video on the SRT site which shows pretty much everything going into the engine/ supercharger or the intercooler (not sure which) and was wondering what happens if something unintended gets in…

  • avatar
    johnny_5.0

    I, and I’m going out on a limb here and saying “a big ass number of prospective buyers compared to Hellcat shoppers”, would be much more interested in a Scat Pack Charger with the same performance/content/price ratio as the Challenger got. I guess there isn’t enough RWD V8 sedan competition to make them create a better bargain than the SRT8/Core versions of this car. Unless I missed a memo and that’s actually going to happen?

  • avatar
    ajla

    “A stick shift would be nice to have…”

    I want an 8-speed with Hurst “Lightning Rod” type shifters.

  • avatar
    VenomV12

    To me the Jeep Grand Cherokee is the logical place to put the Hellcat engine and its accouterments, largely because it is kind of illogical. I have to believe though that with 707hp, AWD is really the way to go. I think they would sell quite a bit of Jeeps like this and truck too for that matter. They probably could not make 700hp pickup trucks fast enough to sell to the oil and gas and cattle guys with money burning a hole in their pockets.

    • 0 avatar
      suspekt

      So what your saying is that we need the Hellcat 6.2, the LT4 6.2, and Trinity 5.8 in their respective automakers top SUV and truck platforms?

      Hell Yes.

      I think 4wd LT4 powered widened body Escalade/Yukon/Tahoe models would sell well at near $100k transaction levels

  • avatar

    I admit that I don’t get the thinking behind this report. (Not your fault, but I raise an eyebrow at R&T). Yes, somebody found an SAE doc that indicates that the 6.2 S/C will be fitted to the Charger. But… the official five-year plan for Dodge from back in May stated that there would be a “RWD S/C V8″ Charger SRT (see slide 29) debuting in January 2015 (see slide 31). How is it that the SAE doc is “confirmation” and an official FCA presentation isn’t?

    • 0 avatar
      hubcap

      “How is it that the SAE doc is “confirmation” and an official FCA presentation isn’t?”

      Take a look at the other proclamations issued by FCA. Especially those concerning Alfa Romeo.


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