By on July 2, 2014

“So you honked at me because you believed I was speeding…”

“Because you were driving recklessly and speeding now, it’s got wet roads and you were on your cell phone.”

What, exactly, makes it safe for cops to use the phone and speed? What about their “training” is irreproducible for the general public?

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103 Comments on “Citizen Honks At Cop For Speeding With Phone In Hand, Receives Ticket...”


  • avatar
    John

    I think people forget – police exist because taxpayers HIRE them. Taxpayers can also FIRE them. Might be time for a little citizen activism.

    • 0 avatar
      NotFast

      I think you are forgetting about the existence of the police union. Getting fired requires more than being an a##.

      “To collect and serve.”

      • 0 avatar
        05lgt

        That’s why you have to fire the whole department. Public employee unions are on borrowed time with the Roberts court, but PCH101 is welcome to correct my read. I’m an amateur for sure.

    • 0 avatar
      stuki

      The quaint stuff people still believe in……….

      In progressive hellholes, taxpayers only exist to the extent they are useful to those more equal. Once they no longer serve that role, they’re “extremists”, “terrorists”, “oppressed virgins” or whatever else is fashionable to ship to Gitmo these days.

    • 0 avatar
      alsorl

      I don’t think cops can be fired in Florida. And it’s had to find a cop that is not speeding or running red lights in Orlando. Especially Orlando Police Department. They are an embarrassment to all citizens of Central Florida.

  • avatar
    vanpressburg

    Good job, continue to fight for the freedom !

  • avatar
    bcnqrgd

    While it may not be so entertaining,the whole story reveals that the Cop apologized and DID NOT ISSUE A TICKET!

    TRY TO GET IT RIGHT THE NEXT TIME.

  • avatar
    B Buckner

    Based on a recent encounter with state police, I only now am beginning to understand Easy E, Dr Dre and the other fine lads of NWA in their lyrics expressing displeasure with our police force.

  • avatar
    MK

    Mmmm…where’d I put that popcorn?

    Lets get that clickbait going, its not gonna write itself!!

    FREEDOM!!! YEEEEAAARGGHH!

    • 0 avatar
      masrapida

      You have to admit, the site has been clickbait free for an inordinate amount of time–maybe 10 days? We were overdue for some police state paranoia.

  • avatar
    MrGreenMan

    The truck driving man is correct at the end – that’s what happens when they know you are recording – we get what we would like to see out of the officer: The officer not issuing a ticket because there was no good that would come of the ticket for anybody was the right result; one might even call that professional discretion, a long-forgotten term. We can say it never should have even been a consideration of ticketing him, but we don’t live in Mayberry anymore. Sure, he’s not going to admit he is in error to this truck driver, but he sure looked reasonably contrite in the body language when he returned. Looks like the cop was angry and had to cool down. Recording was the exact right thing for that trucker to do. I don’t try to discipline anybody else on the road – you want to speed, just get on past me and gone, I don’t want to be near you – but if you’re going to discipline people, better have a dash cam record of it.

    “Unlawful use of horn” goes to show that local laws are written for one purpose: To have something the police can use if you set them to be of a mind to get you for something.

    • 0 avatar

      “Police officers in Rialto, Calif., carry cameras to record their every action while on duty. The city says the program has reduced complaints against police officers by 88 percent during the first year.”

      Lapel cameras make everyone behave better.

  • avatar
    SCE to AUX

    “And that’s what happens when they know you’re recording”

    +100

  • avatar
    DrGastro997

    I recall being tightly tailgated by a Chicago cop in heavy snow when I was 17. When I tapped those brakes he pulled me over to ask why I would ever do that to a police officer. I told him he shouldn’t be tailgating anyone, especially during a Chicago snowstorm. He disturbingly “apologized” and let me go…

  • avatar
    RogerB34

    If the driver was class 8 at 65 blowing the horn at a police officer is a really bad idea. Stiff fine and driving license penalty.

  • avatar
    Pch101

    625 ILCS 5/11-205
    (c)The driver of an authorized emergency vehicle may:
    3. Exceed the maximum speed limits so long as he does not endanger life or property;
    _____________

    625 ILCS 5/12-610.2
    (b) A person may not operate a motor vehicle on a roadway while using an electronic communication device.
    (d) This Section does not apply to:(1) a law enforcement officer or operator of an emergency vehicle while performing his or her official duties
    _____________

    Moral of the story: Most truck drivers should not be consulted for legal advice.

    • 0 avatar
      SCE to AUX

      Wrong.

      The endangerment of life or property occurred because of the slick roads.

      Does ‘performance of official duties’ simply mean ‘on the clock’? If so, can cops become Chatty Kathy on the cell phone any time they’re on the clock, and particularly behind the wheel of a high-speed cruiser?

      Is use of a personal cell phone considered part of the job?

      • 0 avatar
        Pch101

        Wrong?

        Sorry to bring a dose of reality to this party, but I just cited the statutes. I’m sure that you weren’t familiar with them prior to my posting them.

        • 0 avatar

          Your selective editing-out of crucial portions of the statute suggests that you are more interested in presenting an argument than you are in supplying facts.

          ______

          (b) The driver of an authorized emergency vehicle, when responding to an emergency call or when in the pursuit of an actual or suspected violator of the law or when responding to but not upon returning from a fire alarm, may exercise the privileges set forth in this Section, but subject to the conditions herein stated.

          [Further]

          (e) The foregoing provisions do not relieve the driver of an authorized emergency vehicle from the duty of driving with due regard for the safety of all persons, nor do such provisions protect the driver from the consequences of his reckless disregard for the safety of others.
          ______

          I put in some emphasis, but the commenting system stripped it out. Subsection (b) makes it clear that operators of emergency vehicles get special privileges only when responding to actual emergencies or when in pursuit. Subsection (e) makes it clear that civil liability can apply if the emergency vehicle driver fails to use due regard.

          Failing to use due regard doesn’t come in to play only when there is an accident.

          I don’t feel like practicing my bluebook skills, so here’s a link to the full text:

          http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/fulltext.asp?DocName=062500050K11-205

          IAALBIANYL. And I’m an EMT.

          • 0 avatar
            Pch101

            I provided the relevant sections.

            Subsection (b) does not negate anything in subsection (c). It carves out those who are returning from fire calls, not the cops.

            Subsection (e) says that drivers of vehicles covered in the statute can’t drive unsafely. That doesn’t contradict (c), either.

    • 0 avatar
      TomHend

      You liberals can not get enough of authoritarian government.

      Remind me again why the US Post Office needs all that ammo?

      • 0 avatar
        Pch101

        You could save yourself from a lot of angst if you’d just learn how to read.

        The cop violated no laws. If you are a resident of Illinois and don’t care for your state’s laws, then go get them changed.

        But don’t be too eager to prosecute people for legal behavior. That would only make you look like a dimwitted fascist who makes up the rules as he goes along.

        • 0 avatar
          Chopsui

          What part of “…so long as he does not endanger life or property” do you not understand?

          Also the part about electronic devices could be interpreted to mean that he must be using said device in the performance of his duty. Maybe he was, maybe he wasn’t. But his demeanor doesn’t exactly suggest that he was nearly as confident about his position as your smug ass.

          • 0 avatar
            Pch101

            Some folks have a rather broad and imaginative definition of “endangering life or property.”

            It takes all kinds to make an internet, I guess.

          • 0 avatar
            danio3834

            >Some folks have a rather broad and imaginative definition of “endangering life or property.”

            Is there some other reason it’s illegal for regular citizens to do it?

          • 0 avatar
            Chopsui

            Some folks have a rather broad and imaginative definition of “endangering life or property.”

            Well that’s why we have courts. None of us were there, therefore none of us can say unequivocally that he was or wasn’t breaking the law.

          • 0 avatar
            Pch101

            In many states, speed limits are statutory.

            In Illinois, the maximum speed limit is 70 mph. Technically speaking, you’re not allowed to drive over 70 mph, even if it is perfectly safe to do so; the safety isn’t relevant.

            There is also a safe speed law that doesn’t permit you to drive faster than is safe, even if that unsafe speed is below the limit.

            In essence, the maximum speed law doesn’t apply to cops, but the safe speed law does. That’s all it means.

    • 0 avatar
      ajla

      625 ILCS 5/12-601 is the statue on horn use. Although it is slightly vague (“reasonably necessary”, etc.) it does not prohibit honking at a LEO or require that someone be breaking a law before a horn can be used.

      We don’t get to see what happened before the stop, but threatening the guy with an “unlawful use of horn” ticket might have been a stretch.

      • 0 avatar
        Pch101

        The horn use was illegal: “The driver of a motor vehicle shall when reasonably necessary to insure safe operation give audible warning with his horn ****but shall not otherwise use such horn when upon a highway.****” You’re supposed to limit honking to alerts of danger, not use it to express your opinion.

        That being said, the cop was a bit of an ass to threaten the trucker with a citation for that, in spite of the letter of the law. I presume that the cop realized that he was overreacting and decided wisely to chill out, particularly when he saw that a second ticket could really hurt this guy. Unfortunately, the truck driver didn’t seem to figure out that his own efforts to play lawyer were also a flop, and that he had been cut a break.

        • 0 avatar
          ajla

          “You’re supposed to limit honking to alerts of danger, not use it to express your opinion.”

          That’s where I think seeing what was happening before the stop would be useful. It doesn’t look like you can honk at someone just for using a phone, but I would imagine there is a level of excessive speeding where use of a horn is justified under this statue. “Unlawful use of horn” out on the interstate has also got to be an extremely rare citation, so traffic court might have been interesting if a ticket had been written.

          I will say that seeing how the driver has a Guy Fawkes mask and is equipped with a video recorder, I’m betting he was slightly happy to get the chance to have a taped confrontation with the police.

          • 0 avatar
            Pch101

            “It doesn’t look like you can honk at someone just for using a phone, but I would imagine there is a level of excessive speeding where use of a horn is justified under this statute.”

            Illinois has a reckless driving statute, and I highly doubt that the cop was violating it or posing a danger to others that called for use of a horn to warn other drivers of it. The trucker needs to stop watching Perry Mason or whatever else he is doing to learn about the law.

        • 0 avatar
          Chris FOM

          You’re assuming such a law would even hold up in court if challenged. There are freedom of speech issues at well in using the horn to communicate a message, see the Florida Highway Patrol that got creamed when they attempted to use the law regarding high beams to issue citations to drivers using them to warn others of speed traps. I suspect the truck driver here would be able to successfully make a similar case.

          • 0 avatar
            brn

            “You’re assuming such a law would even hold up in court if challenged.”

            That’s not up to the cop.

            The legislature creates the law. The cop enforces the law. Whether or not the law would hold up is up to, as you state, the courts. Until the courts strike the law down, it is the law.

  • avatar
    formula m

    My friend since the age of 8 became a police officer 4yrs ago and has fully adopted the elitist attitude of many other officers. He drove my gf and I during a road trip and was texting the entire 5hr trip. I was uncomfortable and told him to put down the phone repeatedly because of near accidents. He said I’m trained to use a laptop while driving. It’s funny how he honestly believes he is better than most other people now…

  • avatar
    69firebird

    This needs to happen a lot more.I think car makers should maybe consider offering dash or interior cams as an option on new cars.

  • avatar
    Z71_Silvy

    Hey cool, back the usual TTAC anti police agenda.

    It’s sad how the police are used around here…..especially when what they are doing is LEGAL……..to generate clicks.

    And good for the officer…he should have pulled him over AND written him a ticket for misuse of horn.

    Mind your own business trucker boy…or do you pull over to use your CB?

    • 0 avatar
      05lgt

      boot licker.

    • 0 avatar
      danio3834

      It’s funny when people confuse “legal” with “moral”. I suppose if pedophiles somehow took over the government and mandated child molestation, you’d be here soap-boxing how we shouldn’t bother vocally opposing the issue because it’s justified by the law as if that’s the universal moral standard.

      It’s the obvious double standard that gets people in a bunch. An activity that’s so dangerous it had to be mandated against is perfectly acceptable for a certain group to engage in with impunity. They’re human and suffer the same lack of concentration when driving with an electronic device, and are subject to the same laws of physics when speeding. So if these activities are in fact dangerous, people ought to be outraged when a particular group of people are permitted to endanger them, even if it is legal.

      • 0 avatar
        ajla

        I think in your pedophile scenario there would be actual effort put into changing the mandatory molestation laws.

        For stuff like this people’s anger generally never gets above “internet angst” so nothing really ever happens with it. If enough people REALLY wanted to make it so the police couldn’t use electronics while driving, then I’m sure it would happen.

        • 0 avatar
          danio3834

          It was an extreme example to be sure. Perhaps opponents will eventually be successful in the elimination of the double standard. Internet angst and actual political action aren’t mutually exclusive. In fact, the two go hand in hand.

          The point is, “it’s the law” isn’t a very strong basis for an argument about a moral issue.

          • 0 avatar
            Z71_Silvy

            Good thing we have the morality police here on TTAC.

            What, exactly, is immoral about speeding and talking on the phone?

            Oh I’m surprised that accusing someone of supporting child molestation didn’t pop up on your morality radar. It certainly popped up on mine…

          • 0 avatar
            brenschluss

            Danio, you’re trying to explain morality to what I assume is an adult who writes at a 3rd-grade level. Good luck.

          • 0 avatar
            danio3834

            >What, exactly, is immoral about speeding and talking on the phone?

            Oh I’m surprised that accusing someone of supporting child molestation didn’t pop up on your morality radar. It certainly popped up on mine…

            I didn’t accuse anyone of molestation, it was a hypothetical situation to illustrate how something being legal doesn’t make it just. Lots of terrible things that happened throughout history were legal.

            Regarding the morality of speeding and talking on the phone while driving, I personally don’t think there’s anything immoral about doing these things by themselves. However, if society believes that the general public engaging in that behavior indeed poses an imminent threat to the public, so much so that a law was enacted to deter it, then it would be immoral for police officers to engage in that activity as they enforce this law on others. So essentially, it’s a major threat to public safety…but not when a police officer does it.

          • 0 avatar
            CJinSD

            What’s immoral about driving drunk?

      • 0 avatar
        Pch101

        The cops wouldn’t be able to issue many tickets without a double standard — in the absence of a roadblock, how would they catch up to a speeder?

        The Illinois phone statute exempts the cops. Legislators who were elected by the people of the state just implemented this statute at the beginning of the year.

        If the people don’t like it, then they are free to complain. But they aren’t free to punish the cop for legal behavior, and they ought to keep in mind that they were responsible for electing the people who wrote the law and passed it.

      • 0 avatar
        brn

        If one believes some laws are “immoral”, why criticize the cops? They don’t make the laws. Go after the law makers.

        Yea, we can bitch about how a cop was an arse, but the problems at the legislature are so much more significant (and contradictory). Clean up that mess and even law enforcement would thank you.

        • 0 avatar
          danio3834

          “If one believes some laws are “immoral”, why criticize the cops? They don’t make the laws. Go after the law makers.”

          Another “the law is the law” argument. If police officers believe that talking on the phone while driving is as dangerous as they claim when they pull someone over and issue a ticket, then you’d expect that their moral compass would direct them to refrain from the same in spite of a law that exempts them from reprimand. Instead we have police officers who justify this behavior by claiming they have extrahuman abilites that allow them to do this safely. This obvious hypocrisy is what nets them the criticism.

          • 0 avatar
            Pch101

            An elected body passed legislation that bans phone usage but exempts the cops.

            That’s democracy in action. I take it that you’re not a fan of democracy when it doesn’t go your way. Those who believe in democracy and disagree with the law would try to change the law, instead of wanting to enforce a law that doesn’t exist.

          • 0 avatar
            danio3834

            “That’s democracy in action. I take it that you’re not a fan of democracy when it doesn’t go your way. Those who believe in democracy and disagree with the law would try to change the law, instead of wanting to enforce a law that doesn’t exist.”

            I didn’t say or imply that I didn’t like democracy, nor spoke of enforcing non-existant laws. If a citizen wants to make a suggestion to a police officer about his behavior, that could probably be filed under freedom of speech.

            If anything, I’m implying people should get angry about the double standard and do something democractic about it, as opposed to those in this thread who argue that “the law is the law so STFU”.

          • 0 avatar
            Pch101

            The elected representatives of the people of Illinois just passed this law. As far as I can tell, you don’t live there, while the people who are subject to the law aren’t unhappy about it.

          • 0 avatar
            danio3834

            So what? Similar laws do exist where I live and many other places, so the principles discussed here apply widely. This is a discussion thread, and we’re discussing.

          • 0 avatar
            Pch101

            You want people to be angry about a law that doesn’t upset them, just because it upsets you. A wee bit paternalistic on your part.

  • avatar
    zerofoo

    I, for one, feel much better that Johnny law is out there protecting people like me from truck drivers unlawfully using their horn.

    It’s time to make these guys walk a beat. They probably cause more problems than they solve behind the wheel of a cruiser.

    Wanna be a cop? Fine – walk a beat in the roughest part of the city for 5 years before you get to work “traffic duty”.

    • 0 avatar
      raph

      zerofoo said – Wanna be a cop? Fine – walk a beat in the roughest part of the city for 5 years before you get to work “traffic duty”.

      Have you talked to cops that work the roughest part of town? They generally have a low opinion when it comes to humanity.

      I have a buddy that is a detective and he tends to see people in one of two flavors. Law abiding people and complete pieces of excrement.

      They may solve more problems out walking a beat but I don’t think it would translate well in the traffic cop arena.

      • 0 avatar
        Chopsui

        I think the hope is that once they’ve walked a beat for a few years and hopefully gained some maturity and possibly a little less testosterone, they have a better perspective about when to be a shitheel and when to be normal, well adjusted human being.

        • 0 avatar
          Z71_Silvy

          They? Who is they? Have you observed every police officer in the United States to make that collective statement?

          Man the ignorance when it comes to police work is astounding.

          Very few in this thread could do the job for a SINGLE HOUR (including the author), yet you all are experts and feel as if you can make comments that are based in reality.

          Just go back to flipping burgers folks…

          • 0 avatar
            mkirk

            You do it to Soldiers and have done so for the past 14 years. 1 year in country, one year home.

            Course were not cops…They can use hollowpoints on you. If I use a hollowpoint on someone shooting at me it is called a war crime. Amazing how many more rights the average citizen of Kabul has in dealing with the Army than you do when dealing with Officer Friendly.

            And yeah hero, I could do the cop thing just fine. It would be interesting to work with such unrestrictive rules of engagement for a change. Give it a rest guy. You’d crap your pants the first time something went boom.

      • 0 avatar
        mkirk

        You do it to Soldiers and have done so for the past 14 years. 1 year in the shit, one year home.

        Course were not cops…They can use hollowpoints on you. If I use a hollowpoint on someone shooting at me it is called a war crime. Amazing how many more rights the average citizen of Kabul has in dealing with the Army than you do when dealing with Officer Friendly.

  • avatar
    OneAlpha

    As an aside, I remember Chief Wiggum initiating a pursuit for a Code 318:

    Waking a Police Officer.

  • avatar

    Police officers in Michigan routinely violate MCL 257.603, which is pretty specific about when and where they can break traffic and parking laws. It’s a pretty broad exemption, but that isn’t enough for those on the other side of the thin blue line. They simply don’t obey traffic laws, except when they’re doing 5 below the speed limit, trolling for speeders. Their latest illegality around here is parking in left turn lanes and traffic turnarounds while doing traffic surveillance. The law says to do that they have to be involved in the pursuit or apprehension of criminals or criminal suspects to do so. Routine traffic surveillance isn’t exempted. That doesn’t matter. Cops, like many other public employees, think the law is for regular people to obey.

  • avatar
    Dave M.

    There’s always a few eggheads in any bunch. As a former LEA let me say the eggheads usually pee in the pool to everyone’s detriment. It’s a hard job, and after 3 years I realized it wasn’t for me.

    That said, I feel the truck driver was completely in bounds for calling the cop out. Not sure if the cop backed off because of filming or because of embarrassment for getting called out. Personally I would have let the driver go after tasing his ass for wearing that idiot mask.

  • avatar
    cartunez

    as NWA rightly stated Fuck the Police lol

    • 0 avatar
      Z71_Silvy

      So you never speed or talk on your phone while driving?

      • 0 avatar
        mkirk

        So what if he does. If he chooses to do so and a Cop sees him then he’d get a ticket. Furthermore he is not on the public payroll to enforce those very laws.

      • 0 avatar
        cartunez

        I do speed yes. I tend to drive in either Atlanta or DC a lot. If I didn’t go faster than the posted limit I would be ran off the road. Regarding talking on the phone while driving another affirmative. 80% of the time I use the bluetooth and pair to my car but sometimes I will lose the connection and have to put the phone on speaker and talk. Are you coming to arrest me?

  • avatar
    Kaosaur

    There’s always people above the law. Where I live here in South Carolina there is a State Legislator who has been getting himself shitfaced drunk and swerving all over the roads mid-afternoon. We’ve been tailing him calling 911 multiple times and they always try and waive us off (when we mention the legislator plate) and we watch the cops stop him without writing a ticket or arrest. We see him swerving all over the road the next day like it’s no big deal.

    It’s embarrassing to watch this guy’s near-misses with other motorists at intersections on an almost-daily basis.

  • avatar
    j.grif

    Kind of in the trucking business with a cdl, a couple of thoughts on this, #1 the truck driver is probably bored out of his mind watching white lines go past his windows, then a cop blows past him with the cell phone that the truck driver is not allowed to have in his hands and the highway is wet, so in an immature moment the trucker blows the horn, totally not expecting the cop to do anything and is surprised when the cop does pull him over, I think they both over reacted! #2 The cop Threatened the driver with a ticket at which point the driver told him he was on video, the cop asked his status with regard to hours of service, the truck driver in my estimation was egging the cop on, but to this cops credit, the cop held his composure and retreated to his cruiser. When the Officer returned, he explained that he turned this citation into a csa inspection with out citation which is a very good thing, as it will help cancel out a bad one, my brother who is an owner operator has told me that this is how this works, this could have gone in another direction, in my opinion, this office diffused a situation that would have been not good for all, the truck driver didn’t do himself any favors and was pushing it. I understand that its hard for the truckers, but its also hard for law enforcement, these guys don’t know who has a gun pointed at them!

  • avatar
    Z71_Silvy

    Had the author done any sort of reasearch, we would have known exactly why the officer was doing these two legal things. Why was he on the phone? Why was he speeding? Was he enroute to a call? Was he gathering information to assist with a case? Was he finishing up one call while driving to another?

    Those are all unknows…but we do know what the truck driver was doing:

    IN THE RAIN, he was not focusing on HIS driving or what HE was doing, we was distracted by a police officer.

    Who’s the unsafe one?

    • 0 avatar
      brenschluss

      //

    • 0 avatar
      mkirk

      Are cops allowed to do business on unencrypted cell phones? I mean there is a several thousand dolar radio suite in the cruiser that likely offers encrypted (and monitored…hence the issue with a personal cell) communication. You are right, I don’t know what he was doing. Maybe he was responding to a call. Or maybe he was arranging to pick up some smack from his dealer. No one (but the NSA I suppose) can know because he was communicationg outside of the established channels that exist for official police business.

    • 0 avatar
      smartascii

      Well, if he were speeding and talking on his phone while gathering information and enroute to a call, I’m sure glad he took time away from all that crime prevention to pull over some jerk who honked at him.

    • 0 avatar
      Drewlssix

      Soooo he was doing some serious cop business that justified speeding in the rain while hindered with a phone….. But had the time to correct the actions of a truck driver? Yes the job justifies speeding and phone use when needed, but it was certainly not needed here.

  • avatar
    PonchoIndian

    I get a kick out of people who hate the cops until they need one.

    Around here, and I’m sure in many many other places, the police use cell phones instead of radio to communicate a lot of the time so that things aren’t out there on scanners as much.

    There are shitty people in every form of work. It just so happens that it is usually the shitty cops that get the press, not the hard working ones who really do love their job and want to serve their town/city.

    Not sure what this anti-cop thing has to do with cars. As someone said, click bait maybe?

    • 0 avatar
      don1967

      It has nothing to do with cars. It just plays well with a significant portion of the TTAC audience, and therefore generates clicks between actual articles about cars.

    • 0 avatar
      cartunez

      Do you have to hate someone to want them to be held accountable for their actions? Police are public servants they are not above me they work for me. And if you can’t figure out the connection between police and cars then perhaps you are in the wrong place.

      • 0 avatar
        PonchoIndian

        Hmm, I didn’t realize that Police and cars are the same subject. I didn’t know it was the truth about police.

        The whole “they work for me” thing is a joke right? Tell me you aren’t the guy who yells that your tax money pays their salary…Classic.

        • 0 avatar
          cartunez

          I guess you missed the point yet again which is not surprising. You probably vote based on the “issues” as well.

          • 0 avatar
            PonchoIndian

            You must be too left wing and entitled to understand yourself.

          • 0 avatar
            cartunez

            The fact that you see this as a left or right anything lets me know how far down the rabbit hole you are. This is about accountability which last I checked is supposed to apply to everyone. This is why democracy is doomed to failure. The ignorant have no desire to seek knowledge only slogans and empty promises.

          • 0 avatar
            PonchoIndian

            The fact that you keep taking personal shots without any merit tells me you live in your own world anyway.

            Not exactly sure what kind of accountability you are looking for, but your first comment about “fuck the police” pretty much says it all.

    • 0 avatar
      Drzhivago138

      They’ve come a long way, though. I can remember when every fourth article here was a police piece, and “pig” was used half a dozen times.

    • 0 avatar
      cartunez

      Ok Poncho lets try this

      I get a kick out of people who hate the cops until they need one.

      me: Who needs a cop? Or do you mean if I run into trouble who would I call?

      There are shitty people in every form of work. It just so happens that it is usually the shitty cops that get the press, not the hard working ones who really do love their job and want to serve their town/city.

      me: How many jobs do these “shitty” people work in that give them the state giving power of life and death of you? How many of these people are authorized to lie in the course of doing their respective jobs? How many of these people are so well protected from any oversight or accountability that only a merciful deity can put an end to their bullshit?

      Not sure what this anti-cop thing has to do with cars. As someone said, click bait maybe?

      me: once again its not hate. Sorry my NWA references and my lack of giving a fuck about team blue or team red seems to go over your head. I will try to make this simple for you. I believe in freedom but I also know and understand there are consequences for every action. Blind faith in these so called peace officers is getting a lot of innocent people killed.

      • 0 avatar
        PonchoIndian

        ok cartunez, once again you’ve showed your maturity level to be lacking. I can do with out the “make it simple for you comment”.

        You sounds like you need to go back to your bomb shelter and prepare for the apocolypse.

        So far you haven’t really come up with any justification for your comments. Life and death, lies, merciful deity… I never professed to have a blind faith, it just makes me chuckle when someone like you has the balls to condemn people who go out everyday knowing it could be their last. I’m sure if you had to deal with the lowest denominator of society on a daily basis you perspective might change ? Probably not, I suspect you are among the lowest denominator already. They are usually the ones tho are the internet tough guys such as yourself.

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          cartunez

          lol @ everyday could be their last. Power linemen and gas station attendents have a better chance at death doing their respective jobs. Regarding my position in life. Who cares. Even if I am a bum on the streets I should be afforded the dignity of being a human being. Internet tough guy? I think you should rest Poncho this thread is making you cranking.

          • 0 avatar
            PonchoIndian

            you have a unique way of skirting the questions. You really haven’t come up with a legit reason for you side.

            My lowest common denominator comment has nothing to do with one’s financial position in life, it has everything to do with their character.

            Once again, what justice and accountability are you looking for? What did this officer do wrong?

        • 0 avatar
          cartunez

          I almost forgot you wanted to understand why I demand accountability from these thugs.

          http://www.policemisconduct.net also check out the work Radley Balko puts out regarding these “heroes”.

          • 0 avatar
            PonchoIndian

            sweet jesus, you are a whack job!

            there are web sites for everything out there. And like I said previously, there are shitty people in every job.

            Why don’t we go to the websites such as worldstar hip hop and start making some racial remarks… now wait, lets go to some gay/lesbian site and start in that direction.

          • 0 avatar
            cartunez

            Huh? You are inviting me to racist gay bashing dumbshit? Sorry you lost me again but I am going to end this convo we are not communicating well.

    • 0 avatar
      smartascii

      They’re public servants, which really can’t be defined any other way than that they’re hired to serve the public. Public funds are used to pay and authorize people to enforce the law and keep the peace. When the people we’ve hired use the authority we’ve granted them to violate the laws they should be enforcing and harass citizens on technicalities because they’re annoyed with that citizen, rather than because they routinely enforce the technicality, they’re no longer serving the public interest.

    • 0 avatar
      Drewlssix

      How would I ever need the cops? The only duty they are required to do is investigate crimes and apprehend suspects. That’s it, and that’s all I would ever require of them. In the mean time I would like some assurance that they won’t take up their copious free time trying to screw me over. If you depend on them for any other service you are a fool and you will be disappointed.

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    canddmeyer

    Another cop who thinks he’s god. Keep reminding me why I keep voting not guilty every time one of these liars is testifying.

  • avatar
    alsorl

    Come down to Florida. It’s hard to find a police officer not speeding or not on there cell phone. Yes, this is without there lights and bells on. One ran a light last year in Orlando and killed a couple of tourist. I’m pretty sure that police officer is still working as a police officer. My neighbor is a police officer and has not stopped at a stop sign in the neighborhood in 2 years.


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