By on March 28, 2014

This video has it all: a bully in a Super Duty, a woman who won’t yield the left lane, anger, retribution, crashing.

The driver of the truck was identified and charged after the incident. To me, the interesting part of it is that they charged him for leaving the scene of an accident. If you’re the only vehicle in the accident, and you’re capable of leaving it under your own steam, why is that a crime, assuming there’s no property damage besides your own?

As far as I can tell, public opinion is neatly split between thinking the Super Duty driver got what he deserved and thinking the woman should be drawn and quartered in the public square for taking a vertical phone video. What say you, B&B?

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  • avatar
    dal20402

    Vertical phone video = unforgivable.

    Taking a phone video = pretty much unforgivable.

    But for all those who will bay “LEFT LANE HOG! HER FAULT!” I would ask you to consider two things in writing your comment:

    1) She is passing vehicles in the right lane.
    2) This is NOT a freeway. It’s a four-lane local highway with crossings and driveways.

    The truck driver is the bigger jerk (and idiot). I smell ‘roid rage.

    • 0 avatar
      NMGOM

      dal20402 – - –

      You said, “1) She is passing vehicles in the right lane.”

      Yeah, Right. Half the video was taken up by her meager and excessively slow movement beyond the flatbed and another truck. She could have signaled for pulling over, or gone faster to get around them to free up the left lane. I have seen this scenario myself, as a so-called “passing vehicle” takes 5 minutes (not 20 seconds, the prescribed passing time) to move beyond a slower vehicle in the right lane.

      You also said, “2) This is NOT a freeway. It’s a four-lane local highway with crossings and driveways.”

      This is not relevant to: DO NOT HOG THE LEFT LANE! Passing was allowed here.

      Look, this gal induced “road rage”, pure and simple. It should be as illegal as going into a crowded theater and falsely shouting , “Fire, Fire”, and then wanting not to be held accountable for the deaths that occurred by trampling. (“Gee, I didn’t do anything….”)

      ——————

      • 0 avatar
        psarhjinian

        “Look, this gal induced “road rage”, pure and simple”

        You don’t _induce_ road rage, you are _susceptible_ to it. This is nothing like shouting “Fire!”. Everyone over the age of four should be able to control their temper.

        If someone annoys me by going to slow, I just wait until I pass them. I don’t lean out the window and take my eyes off the road, or otherwise act like a toddler.

        Now, holding the phone and trying to video while driving, that’s stupid.

        • 0 avatar
          30-mile fetch

          “You don’t _induce_ road rage, you are _susceptible_ to it. This is nothing like shouting “Fire!”. Everyone over the age of four should be able to control their temper.”

          This. A thousand times this. Thank God there’s an adult around here.

          • 0 avatar
            dongledangle

            http://goo.gl/c5Cv2J

            Since we’re watching videos about bad drivers who are oblivious to the fact that they could have hurt or killed someone…

          • 0 avatar

            > This. A thousand times this. Thank God there’s an adult around here.

            Funniest thing about this thread is half the people here are that truck driver (and a significant portion of rest the camera operator).

            It’s pretty obvious these dumbasses can’t drive worth a damn yet consider speeding to be a god given right.

        • 0 avatar

          If she was already videotaping the truck for well more than a minute before the crash, I think it’s safe to say that she was being very aggressively passive-aggressive in hogging the left lane.

          Sure, the truck driver was no paragon by any stretch, but passive-aggressive driving is just as bad as aggressive driving.

          In general, we’d all be better off if people tried to quell their emotions when driving.

          • 0 avatar
            galanwilliams

            Yes, I suspect she was travelling at or above the posted speed limit, so in theory, in a strictly logical analysis, he was wanting to break the law by speeding, and she was obeying the law going as fast as lawfully allowed, and thus passing could only be done by breaking the law… but all that is confusing, so let’s leave that there.

            I DO find fault with her for this reason — OBVIOUSLY this guy was riding her riding and wanting to go faster – she saw it and was aware of it, as evidenced by getting her phone out to video him. OBVIOUSLY based on the size of truck and addition of push bars and lift kits he feels the need to be perceived as a bad ass and bully. Given that, a person with any sense would move over to the right at least long enough to let him go on his way. She instead chose to escalate the situation by refusing, for several minutes at least, to yield the right-of-way, for no good reason.

            In all — both drivers were driving with all the maturity of a teenager, and I’m glad no one got hurt or killed in the process….

      • 0 avatar
        Ryoku75

        Unless if her speedometer was off, she was doing maybe 65mph which is about the speed limit on highways.

        If she did anything wrong it was filming and driving.

        • 0 avatar
          Landcrusher

          Doing the limit is not an excuse for not yielding. She should be ticketed.

          • 0 avatar
            dal20402

            The only things she could be ticketed for here are 1) using the phone and 2) most likely, a small amount of speeding.

          • 0 avatar
            geeber

            This isn’t a limited-access highway. It is a local street, where plenty of turns are made from the left lane. Enforcing the “pass left, keep right” rule would be very difficult on this road.

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            Unless there’s some local ordinance, there’s no reason for a driver in the left hand lane of a non-limited access highway to yield.

            If this were a freeway, you’d have a point, though.

          • 0 avatar
            Landcrusher

            I am unfamiliar with the idea of a non limited access highway. Certainly, if you are making a left, you don’t need to get over, but otherwise, custom still says to get over, not block the lane and try to become a photo vigilante. Surely, laws differ and now I have to check ours I suppose.

            And before anyone accuses me of taking sides, the guy in the truck should get a suspension.

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            Landcrusher, if you don’t know the difference between a limited access highway and a non-limited access highway, then I doubt you have taken a driving test.

            That, or you’re trolling.

            My money’s on the latter.

          • 0 avatar
            Landcrusher

            Sorry FreedMike, I wasn’t clear. I am unfamiliar with how that classification changes the rules. There is a legitimate reason for that, it makes no difference to a driver in Texas unless you are driving off road to get to the road. Looking at the handbook, and the actual laws, she should be ticketed as should he.

            I never troll.

          • 0 avatar
            redav

            I believe this was in FL, and again believe they have no law requiring yielding the left lane. If there is no legal requirement, there can be no citation. You cannot be ticketed for not conforming to custom.

            Also, do not assume that there is a uniform law requiring yielding the left lane on limited access freeways. Each state has their own unique set if laws. The fact is that the majority of states (over 30 the last time I checked) do NOT require drivers to move over, even on freeways.

            Also note that the common law which most states do have for vehicles traveling slower than everyone else (such as bicycles, construction or farm equipment) use the right-most lane is not the same thing as reserving the left lane for passing, and that law would not be applicable to this driver in this situation.

            It never ceases to amaze me the anger this raises in people. They’re indignant because someone else (supposedly) breaks the law because it prevents them from speeding (also, but not supposedly, breaking the law). Personally, I think it has nothing to do with law; they just want to go fast and will latch on to any justification they can find to blame others if they can’t go fast. I am dumbfounded by how whiny and childish people like that truck driver (and internet posters) are about it. I don’t like inattentive & inconsiderate drivers any more than anyone else (and I certianly prefer when drivers make it easier for others to navigate around them), but I’d rather share the road with them than self-righteous, ignorant, reckless as hats. But that’s just me, and I don’t have impatience issues, so YMMV.

          • 0 avatar

            Hey redav, I agree. But there is an issue people are forgettting here I think. The finer points of the law are all fine and dandy, but how about the law of physics? It’s never in your best interest to fight a bus, truck or pick up. Those things can’t handle or brake and they weigh a galaxy. If I encounter such things I let them pass. I’m interested in my own skin mostly.

            Trying to prove a point on the road is always dumb.

          • 0 avatar
            Landcrusher

            Redav,

            I looked up the Texas law, and I was correct for Texas. I will try to look up the Florida law.

          • 0 avatar
            Landcrusher

            I looked up the law in Florida. I am, of course, not a lawyer. However, they have a rule similar to ours, and if interpreted the same way as is here, she should be ticketed.

            Access vs limited access has nothing to do with it btw, so you guys might all check your own state laws to see if you didn’t get some bad info.

            They do have a rule we don’t have that may give her an out. They have a rule clearly made to ticket left lane bandits doing more than ten under the limit rather than anyone under prevailing speed. It specifically says you have to yield if you are going ten under the limit.

            If this rule is used to mean that you can happily drive at 9 mph under the limit and ignore the prevailing speed, then it’s a recipe for road rage creation. Here, if someone is trying to overtake, and your lane is clear, then you are NOT driving the prevailing speed and gotta yield.

            So, I was correct about my state, and I believe about Florida. You guys can score yourselves or appeal to an expert.

          • 0 avatar
            NMGOM

            Landcrusher (@12:48 pm)- – -

            I agree.

            1) She was not simply in the “process of passing” anyone. The video clearly ran for 45 seconds with her speed at about 57 MPH (I stopped the video for better accuracy) before the flatbed reappears.

            That is:
            …a) D]ft = 45* 57 * (88/60) = 3762 feet;
            …b) D]mi = 3762/5280 = 0.71 miles — ALMOST 3/4 OF A MILE!
            She could easily have pulled over, if she wanted to.

            2) This was obviously a set-up. Yes, the poor yokel in the pick-up fell for it, and let his temper get the best of him. But this young lady clearly did the baiting, or she would not have taken such diligence in the video production; and would not have taken such glee in the unfortunate aftermath. There are some parallels:

            …a) If a police patrol car starts tailgating you at night (so you can’t see who it is); and you get “nervous” or “anxious” or “angry” and start speeding up to get away from the offender, but then he hits his lights and siren to pull you over for speeding, that is called “enticement” — and your resulting ticket would never hold up before a judge. That is clear-cut analogue of improper baiting.

            …b) If a young lady, dressed and behaving very provocatively, waltzes into a bar and “comes on” to a love-starved drunken sailor, intending to get his cash, but he then ends up raping her…. who is responsible? Clearly a case of her baiting, but now the law is not so affirmative about the consequence, is it? And this is perhaps the most direct analogue of the highway incident.

            Here, the gal gets off Scott free; the guy takes the hit (yes, pun intended). I say metaphorically “drawn and quartered” (and a fine) for her; damage assessment and anger-management class (and a fine) for him.

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          • 0 avatar
            Xeranar

            @ Marcelo – I normally concur when dealing with say a semi or a dump-truck 350/3500. She appears to be driving a midsize SUV (the stretch seemed vast thought not a third row) and his pickup was empty. It’s still not a great fight (appears that the SUV is nearly a ton lighter) but it isn’t an unrealistic weight disadvantage since most of the Super Duty’s weight is lower than the cabin.

            But it’s pretty clear this guy was tailgating for no good reason and while I acknowledge the smart thing would have been to move to let him pass it may have been due to various issues to not move over. As a general rule I just flash the lights and try not to tailgate until I can move around somebody. No need to get stupid over the matter.

            A courteous driver is a living one.

          • 0 avatar
            KixStart

            NMGOM: “…b) If a young lady, dressed and behaving very provocatively, waltzes into a bar and “comes on” to a love-starved drunken sailor, intending to get his cash, but he then ends up raping her…. who is responsible?”

            Define “provocatively.” Get your definition from the mullahs, if you prefer. I’m sure their definition will suit your desire to help men avoid taking responsibility for their actions.

          • 0 avatar
            wsn

            @ Landcrusher: “Doing the limit is not an excuse for not yielding. She should be ticketed.”

            Where did you get your license?

            Could you provide any citation of any traffic law/bylaw of any state/province to back up your claim?

      • 0 avatar
        dal20402

        “This is not relevant to: DO NOT HOG THE LEFT LANE! Passing was allowed here.”

        This is completely relevant. There is no rule on this road that she has to move right. A lack of courtesy (if that even applies; maybe she was turning left soon) is not something that should provoke rage in anyone. If it does for you, lay off the ‘roids.

        • 0 avatar
          CoreyDL

          This. There is no law which says you must be courteous and move over on a two-lane road. You aren’t supposed to exceed the legal speed limit to pass/get over, either. She was dumb for filming, yeah. She didn’t cause his crash – he crashed because he was angry and acting like a douchebag.

          I found it hilarious when he crashed.

          • 0 avatar
            tankinbeans

            In Minnesota the statute is limit +10 for passing maneuvers on roads with limits over 45 mph. There are a couple other conditions attached that I can’t quite recall.

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            Well, if nothing else, that should about cover it for radical driving moves in a super duty truck…fail, you will.

        • 0 avatar
          Landcrusher

          Perhaps in Florida, but in Texas it’s the law to stay right.

          • 0 avatar
            redav

            No, it isn’t. Texas has the law that the slowest traffic on the road (bicycles, construction & farm equipment, etc.) must use the right-most lane, unless they are about to turn left. The law about staying right except to pass is explicitly only where signage says so.

        • 0 avatar
          matador

          She enters a left turn lane at the end. It’s fine, then, to use the left lane.

          This isn’t the Interstate!

          • 0 avatar
            CRConrad

            She enters and apparently STOPS IN that left turn lane.

            Could be because of oncoming traffic, or not — I don’t know, we don’t get to see it.

            But I’m wondering if she goes there in the first place because she’s about to turn left, or just to stop and keep filming.

          • 0 avatar
            KixStart

            Once you’re in the left turn lane, you are required to turn left. She said her turn was coming up. You’ve got to assume a lie on her part to get around that.

            Hint: She’s not the jerk here.

      • 0 avatar
        Carzzi

        My friend Saby recently indicated that it should be illegal to cry “theater!” at a fire.

      • 0 avatar
        CarGal

        Quote from the woman:

        I couldn’t move over because there were trucks in the right lane, and I sure as heck wasn’t going to speed on a rainy day with the roads being as slick as they were. I was turning left in about a half-mile when this happened. Now bear in mind, that this guy had already passed a truck in a left turn lane, was tailgating and driving recklessly on a wet slick road, wasn’t paying attention, and all in all being an ignorant ass.

        “I never brake checked him, and in fact until I watched the video after the accident I didn’t even know he shot a bird at me because I wasn’t looking at him at all, I was paying attention to the road while holding the phone up with my right hand. I’ve recorded circumstances like this before, catching idiots doing stupid things, but never ever had this happen.”

        “He initially fled the scene of the accident, but thanks to this video he has been caught and charged.”

        If she is telling the truth, she did nothing wrong. She was turning soon and could not move to the right, the roads were wet and she didn’t want to risk it. That is perfectly acceptable in those conditions. This is in Florida where you can get a downpour in a blink of an eye and dissipate just as quickly.

        She claims she was paying attention while using her other hand to film. Nobody on here can hold her on that because I seriously doubt anybody here has never multi-tasked while driving (radio, coffee, et cetera) I know I have.

        The man, on the other hand, crashed his truck because he was more concerned with passing her than taking his time. If he gave her two car lengths and passed her in a normal manner, his truck would most likely be in one piece and he wouldn’t be in a holding cell.

        He also fled the scene which suggests either the vehicle was stolen, he was intoxicated and/or high, has something in the truck he shouldn’t have or no insurance.

        We’ve all been behind a slow driver, we’re all experienced drivers, would you have done what this man did? No need to answer because (hopefully) I already know.

        Regardless of what happened, there is zero excuse for road rage.

      • 0 avatar
        zenith

        I wouldn’t “hog” the left lane if people like “Super Duty”
        would let me over within 1/2 mile of my left turn.
        I have to start getting over about 3 miles back to assure that I can make the turn.

      • 0 avatar
        docsoloman

        I am a professional driver, and I see this nonsense daily. Both are at fault here. The trucker for being an asshole, and the woman for intentionally antagonizing him. She knew he wanted by, and did not hasten to pass the two slower trucks on the right, which is very annoying to most people.She should have passed those slower vehicles and then moved over, not creep along beside them and not move over after passing them.If they were going to fast for her to make a quick pass, she should have dropped in behind them.

        If she is going a reasonable speed over the speed limit that the vast majority of people drive,5-10 MPH,then she should not be bullied into thinking she should yield, whatever lane she is in. If she is going that fast, and somebody wants to drive like a bat out of hell faster, then they can just find their own way through traffic.

        I believe the yield laws are intended for drivers going below the speed limit, stay in the slower right lane if you want to drive that slow, and free up the left fast lane for those going faster, at least the speed limit.

        • 0 avatar

          > If she is going a reasonable speed over the speed limit that the vast majority of people drive,5-10 MPH,then she should not be bullied into thinking she should yield, whatever lane she is in.

          She was going 55-60mph. User mnm4ever who lives nearby says the limit is generally 45-50, which is consistent with these thoroughways.

      • 0 avatar
        3Deuce27

        @ NMGOM> “excessively slow movement beyond the flatbed and another truck. She could have signaled for pulling over, or gone faster to get around them to free up the left lane”

        So, one is supposed to go over the speed limit to satisfy another’s juvenile need ‘to go nowhere fast’.

        North and South of my location are many passes, and they are all safety zones, heavily patrolled, you go over the speed limit by 4 MPH and you have a $480.00 ticket and two points against your record.

        And four lane surface roads are usually turn roads, the inside lane is not a proscribed lane for slow travel.

    • 0 avatar

      Arrest them both.

      • 0 avatar
        Stumpaster

        Exactly. She is driving with her shiny new safety vest yet filming while driving. That’s not safe at all.

        • 0 avatar
          NMGOM

          Wait, guys…..

          Did I see a fluorescent green shirt sleeve—on a RIGHT arm?
          Was the a passenger who is doing the filming?

          ——————-

          • 0 avatar
            Sigivald

            As far as I can tell, that’s a vest draped over the passenger seat, which is not full of a person, and the driver is filming.

            Which is *very bad form*, though the driver seems to have maintained perfectly good lane position and decent awareness of the road and upcoming traffic while doing so, so I don’t really care.

            I can’t assign significant blame to anyone but the asshat in the pickup, even though I agree the filmer *should have*, as a matter of form and courtesy, kept right unless immediately passing or planning a left turn.

            (I would never *consider* driving my F250 like that. Hell, I wouldn’t drive like that in my Corolla.

            If the truck driver does that sort of thing regularly he’s lucky he hasn’t already smashed into cars or wrecked it before he did in this video…

            A Super Duty with the extended/crew cab and long bed like his weighs, like mine, *well* over three and a half tons.

            As he found out the hard way after trying to treat it like a 2000 pound roadster.)

      • 0 avatar

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    • 0 avatar
      Dan

      Passing vehicles? She passed one vehicle around the 40 second mark. For the 30 seconds before that, and the full minute before that that she admitted she was doing the same thing before turning the camera on, GTFO of the passing lane.

      There’s blame enough to go around and she certainly earned her half of it.

    • 0 avatar

      > Vertical phone video = unforgivable.

      This is the real crime here.

    • 0 avatar
      thegamper

      http://www.usatoday.com/videos/news/nation/2014/03/28/7001857/

      Just came across this on USA Today. Meet the videographer if you are so inclined. Video converted to landscape which is nice.

    • 0 avatar
      Big Al from Oz

      @dal20402
      In Australia any multi-lane road with a speed limit of over 60kph you must drive in the ‘slow’ lane unless overtaking.

      The reality is many multi-lane roads are heavily trafficked and some commonsense must come into play.

      As for the women, how long, how many times did the pickup driver indicate he wanted to pass?

      Road rage is not acceptable as it will increase the risk of an accident.

    • 0 avatar
      Superdessucke

      This happened to me recently. Only I was going 10 miles over the speed limit and passing. Some clown in a Scion was tailgating me because that was way too slow.

      Once I got far enough past he blasted around, hit the curve ahead of us (I was only going 10 over for a reason), slid on the ice and smashed into the median. The tire flew off and I saw sparks. Never laughed so hard haha! It is very gratifying :-)

  • avatar
    danio3834

    There’s a lot of idiocy in this video on the part of both drivers, but I think the woman taking the video gets the crown. Taking a video, while being a slow-poke in the left lane? If she did that in Europe, she probably would be drawn and quartered.

    • 0 avatar

      > Taking a video, while being a slow-poke in the left lane?

      Obvious left turn lane aside, for all those suggesting she should just move over it’s pretty clear Trucker here was following her to “prove a point” even when he had a chance to pass.

      But I get it. Most car enthusiasts identify with Trucker; love to speed but can’t drive. Though perhaps the greater crime here is Baruth missing out on an opportunity to eloquently eviscerate both. It’s that his raison d’être and thereby paid to do?

      • 0 avatar
        Landcrusher

        I actually agree with your last point, Baruth is missing an opportunity.

        I looked up the laws though, and it seems she should have moved over when he first approached her or as soon as safe afterwards.

        Certainly, he made several errors and as I said before, should get a suspended license to cool off.

        • 0 avatar

          > I looked up the laws though, and it seems she should have moved over when he first approached her or as soon as safe afterwards.

          Most likely the whole situation evolved from her in the left lane already somewhat speeding to pass slower traffic per video, esp before her turn anyway. Jackass then rides her tail as the left-lane-recklessness enforcer for not speeding fast enough, to “teach her a lesson”.

          Hilarity ensues.

  • avatar
    Halftruth

    This is what happens when two anus-holes meet on the street. The bonehead that refuses to get out of the left lane and the hothead that can’t keep his cool. He should have kept the one finger salute in view but keep his eyes on the road (if he really needed to do that), or just keep on going after he passed them (best option).

    • 0 avatar
      KixStart

      Nothing says “class act” like giving people the finger because you can’t go 20 over the limit until you get by them.

      • 0 avatar
        Halftruth

        This is what kills me, you see people freak out behind the wheel like it is WW3.. Then when they see an accident or someone has a flat tire, they can’t do enough to help them. It is so extreme.

    • 0 avatar

      > The bonehead that refuses to get out of the left lane and the hothead that can’t keep his cool.

      This is perhaps an accidentally correct understanding of Trucker’s thought process.

      See, he’s not really mad she’s driving too slow, but rather she’s in *his* lane. As the “alpha male” in his mind, the left lane is his property and others occupy it at their peril.

      This is evident should anyone happen to pass him on the right and get back into *his* lane; he’ll probably try to chase them down and give that over-speeder a piece of his m̶i̶n̶d̶ peanut.

      • 0 avatar
        LALoser

        Me thinks u mad hit very close to the real issue.

      • 0 avatar
        brandloyalty

        Exactly. His choice of vehicle is further evidence. Quad cab heavy duty black 4×4 with one person in it, no cargo and in perfect driving conditions. His vehicle choice is more about intimidating others than fully sane needs. Bullying others so he can speed excessively to show what a big man he is. There seem to be far more folks like this on the roads these days than the lady. As dash cams become more common, these overgrown infants will get what they have coming to them. Maybe some day the penalties will include time with a shrink.

      • 0 avatar
        redav

        I agree completely. This is exactly the jalopnik attitude – GO FAST! and get out of my my lane so I can GO FAST! because GO FAST!

        A root cause for the whole scenario is the desire to go faster than others on the road. When there is no (or a small) speed delta, none of these things are an issue.

  • avatar
    319583076

    Karma does not exist in reality, but solely in some people’s minds.

    • 0 avatar
      Lie2me

      Call it what you want, some call it karma others call it gettin’ what’s comin’ to you.

      • 0 avatar
        319583076

        The concept itself is fallacious. We impose meaning on objective reality to create our subjective world. That meaning does not objectively exist. Take the comments to this post as an example. We all see the same objective data, but our subjective interpretations of that data are wildly varied.

        Perhaps our most fundamental need as sentient beings is for meaning in our experience. Belief in a “score-keeping” system that sums our existence and judges that outcome is a very fundamental (and seductive) means to create the illusion that our lives are meaningful. Belief is a shibboleth.

        • 0 avatar
          Lie2me

          Kind of like luck, I don’t necessarily believe in it, but I sure know it when I’ve run out of it.

        • 0 avatar

          > The concept itself is fallacious.

          A little late to Nietzsche’s party buddy.

        • 0 avatar
          shaker

          Thanks for making me look up the meaning of “Shibboleth”.
          “Karma” (in its applicability across cultures) is anything but a “shibboleth”, especially if it results in obvious “schadenfreude” displayed by our gleeful “quadrature videographer”.

          In other words, he spent so long hoisting his middle finger that he caused his own accident; but she spent an equal amount of time savoring his misfortune.

          A case of HUMANITY=FAIL (2X)

    • 0 avatar
      Xeranar

      Thank you random numbers for making a taunt physiological judgment from the perception of what we colloquially call ‘karma’. I’m fairly sure if I quizzed most of the posters on their actual strict believe in Karma I doubt many would take the most literal interpretation but make the more colloquial view (recognizing that karma fails more often than not as good do not always succeed and evil wins more than it should).

      But yes..a belief in Karma is the real danger here..

      • 0 avatar

        > Thank you random numbers for making a taunt physiological judgment from the perception of what we colloquially call ‘karma’.

        A more interesting observation than numbers’ is: our karma-induced satisfaction is that of the weak and timid. It reflects a powerlessness to produce results according to our own will and therefore derives some pleasure from coincidental execution by some external/higher force.

        This is evident because it would’ve been directly satisfying to yank on Trucker’s leash ourself. That’s why there’s a difference between laughing at his mere bad luck vs. laughing at his stupid swagger despite the leash.

  • avatar
    NMGOM

    The woman should be drawn and quartered.
    If this had happened in Germany, she’d face a stiff fine and possible jail.
    I don’t know why we Americans are so tolerant of Left-Lane Hogs (LLH’s).
    DRIVE ON THE RGHT EXCEPT TO PASS.

    ——————–

    • 0 avatar
      gtrslngr

      Watch the video … read del20402′s comment … get a handle on the rules of the road …. and then face the music ;

      The Redneck booze addled [ no doubt ] a&&hat in the P/U was completely and totally in the wrong … deserves to get his [ bleep ] kicked in well beyond what ever happened to him in his well deserved accident … and should of been arrested for reckless endangerment as well as causing and leaving the scene of an accident [ sorry TTAC ... read the rule book ... leaving the scene of ANY accident you\'re involved in is a crime in any state ]

      So in light of the above …. perhaps its you thats needing to be Drawn and Quartered … a task I’d gladly relish considering your opinion on the matter and the fact you’d no doubt do the same as the P/U driver

      ———

      BTW … anyone notice the Safety Vest on the passenger seat of the car ? Make me wonder if she works for the city/county /highway dept .

    • 0 avatar
      dal20402

      There is no rule in Germany or here that you have to move right on local streets. That rule applies on divided, limited-access highways.

    • 0 avatar
      philadlj

      We gotta be tolerant of something, AMIRITE?!

    • 0 avatar
      30-mile fetch

      “Drive on the right except to pass”

      Yes, this is courteous and respectful to others. This woman is certainly not either of those things, irrefutably verified by her filming of the incident. She knew exactly what she was doing.

      HOWEVER, this truck driver could easily have killed someone letting his temper get the best of him and trying to “show her”. If you were traveling in the opposite direction and was nearly killed while this asshat pirouetted across your travel lane because he has no self control, you might be thinking differently.

      So, discourteous & annoying vs. outright dangerous to the general public? Yeah, I know which of these two needs to be drawn and quartered. The other can just be put in the stockade in the public square while left lane speeders throw tomatoes at her for awhile. While filming it, of course.

    • 0 avatar
      FreedMike

      I think internet trolls should be drawn and quartered too.

  • avatar
    morbo

    TTAC’s not going to attribute this to Reddit or Autoblog or wherever it was when I saw it yesterday; it was front page on both.

    • 0 avatar
      Josh_Howard

      This video was featured on The Blaze News as well as several other news sites. I’ve got no problem simply seeing a posting of the original video. If you give credit to Autoblog or Reddit or any other news site, well, you’ve got dozens more to give credit to.

    • 0 avatar
      Jack Baruth

      We give credit to Reddit when they are the original source, which happens about never.

      In this case, we linked to the Fox news station that’s local to the incident.

  • avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater

    When I blow by people on the right, it’s nothing personal, though I usually only give a yard or two when I get back in the left lane. Better to keep eyes on the road than engage in childish theatrics.

    • 0 avatar
      Lie2me

      ^This^

      Why do people take it so personally when someone passes you? It’s not a judgement on your driving skills or your character, it’s just passing

      • 0 avatar
        Xeranar

        Pfft, If I’m not passing I’m dying inside. Literally. I have a device attached to my heart…it’s a long story. In fact every reply is from my phone in my car as I drive above 50 miles an hour to stay alive…..

        Ok, seriously, this whole issue has to do with our aggressive and hyper-masculine culture. We chose this as appropriate attitudes and now we reap the rewards of it. We don’t sell those giant trucks to ‘humble salt of the earth types’ we sell it to deeply fearful men who need to satisfy their hurt egos as they face a world that promotes these ultra-masculine identities that they can never measure up to. Women have Barbie, Men have Fred Ford the ultra-man who splits logs with his giant wang and apparently passes people on the right like a complete jackass.

        • 0 avatar

          > We don’t sell those giant trucks to ‘humble salt of the earth types’ we sell it to deeply fearful men who need to satisfy their hurt egos as they face a world that promotes these ultra-masculine identities that they can never measure up to.

          This is a somewhat nuanced misconception. The desire to dominate is natural, but the difference is this monkey isn’t alpha in any sense because he’s far from willing to actually run her off the road per innate desire and administer a beating to his satisfaction.

          To the contrary, he’s quite well caged and aware of what he can get away with. It was mostly comical as we watch him skirt the limits of that leash with resulting self-administered harm.

    • 0 avatar
      lacy1

      Yep, she’s a tool, but all he had to do was pass with authority and keep it moving. He’s lucky he didn’t kill someone coming the other way.

      • 0 avatar
        Reino

        Not trying to defend the douchebag, but at first it looks like he was try to pass with authority and keep it moving (just a mean stare at the girl), but then the girl sped up next to him. That’s when the middle finger came out. So, she was taking it personally when he tried to pass her on the right.

        • 0 avatar

          > but at first it looks like he was try to pass with authority and keep it moving (just a mean stare at the girl), but then the girl sped up next to him

          According to the woman, he saw her recording and came back to pose for posterity.

        • 0 avatar
          Xeranar

          UMS beat me to it (PS: Nice new name).

          If you look at the outside near the tree line you can see she’s moving at a fairly linear speed, he’s the one who slows down to engage her again which is what basically causes the problem and his wreck.

    • 0 avatar
      KixStart

      “… I usually only give a yard or two when I get back in the left lane.”

      That’s not safe and you know it.

      • 0 avatar
        darkwing

        It’s okay, you see, because that guy’s going slower than him, and therefore a moron. But when someone does the exact same thing to him, he’s going faster than him, and therefore a maniac.

        • 0 avatar
          KixStart

          Unless somebody does something stupid ahead of Dr. Noisewater and he must brake. A person who had not been following too close is suddenly following much too close through no fault of their own.

          The whole discussion has me thinking I should install a dashcam.

          • 0 avatar
            darkwing

            That’s probably not a bad idea if you live in an area with particularly bad drivers (Central Florida definitely qualifies). Now that I’ve started looking for them, I’m amazed at the number I see on the road.

            Forward-facing and surround-view cameras are becoming more and more common now; I wonder what it would take to be able to tap into them instead of installing a separate dashcam?

          • 0 avatar
            Sigivald

            I’m surprised – to echo Darkwing – that dashcam recording built into the vehicular cameras (or as a separate feature) isn’t even an option on any car I’ve ever seen.

            It’d be very handy and make a good selling point…

        • 0 avatar
          shaker

          An apropos copy/paste:

          “Have you ever noticed that anybody driving slower than you is an idiot, and anyone going faster than you is a maniac?”

          George Carlin

          Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/g/georgecarl391403.html#C3RWeSYtA63eHbhz.99

      • 0 avatar
        Dr. Kenneth Noisewater

        Neither is getting out of bed in the morning.

    • 0 avatar
      redav

      I don’t understand–isn’t giving only a yard or two EXACTLY childish theatrics, and if staying right is so important & fundamental then why move back into the left lane at all?

      Or did my sarcasm detector fail me this time?

  • avatar
    THE_F0nz

    From what I saw, she was passing a slower truck in the right lane…

    And he wasn’t really as close as I have had happen to me…

    What an idiot. He looked as if he wasn’t even mad. He was trying to be funny.

  • avatar
    AMC_CJ

    Wow, what a bitch, and on that note, what an ass. I hope she gets what she deserves.

    Somebody wants to go 90mph down the road, let them over and pass. I’ve done it plenty of times and seen them get pulled a few miles ahead. I also can’t stand people who poke in the left lanes, are at that point, even do the speed limit. I want to go faster, get over, that simple. I don’t make an ass out of myself, but I well use my horn (very often) hopefully maybe at some point people will get the point and pull their head out of their ass.

    But then again, when you drive a dark green 78′ Chevy sedan, people pretty much part the highways for you.

    • 0 avatar
      geeber

      I understand your point, but this isn’t a limited-access highway. Judging from the video, there are turning lanes that can only be accessed from the left lane, and plenty of at-grade intersections. The road also appears to be lined with businesses.

      Which means that drivers should expect people to be slowing down in the left lane to make turns on a regular basis, and drivers should not be driving too far over the speed limit, given the likelihood of encountering cross traffic and red lights.

      I’m not a “speed kills” hysteric, but driving too fast on this road can have much more severe consequences than, say, driving 75 mph in the 65 mph zone on the Pennsylvania Turnpike.

      • 0 avatar
        Swedish

        I agree with geeber on this one, there are frequent left turn openings on this highway so yes even slower people may need to be in the Left lane to exit. If it were a limited access highway/interstate than I could understand the truck driver’s frustration.

        • 0 avatar
          Dan

          She was blocking an otherwise near-empty left lane for at least three or four miles. That isn’t about getting over to your exit. It’s about inconsiderate asshat.

          • 0 avatar
            KixStart

            You’re making assumptions for which we don’t have good evidence.

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            She was in that lane for at least two miles. She was driving at appox. 50-55mph, the video is two minutes long, do the math. We don’t know how long she was in the lane before the video starts, could have been awhile considering the trucker was already on her butt when she decided to video it

          • 0 avatar
            KixStart

            I may take another look, later, at home, but it did not seem to me like we knew what was generally around her, either ahead of her or to her right.

          • 0 avatar
            geeber

            The video is posted on youtube.com with her explanation. She claims that she was in the left lane because she wanted to make a left turn.

            At the end of the video it looks as though she does, in fact, make a left turn. I doubt that she was doing so to check up on the Super Duty driver.

          • 0 avatar
            KixStart

            I did watch it again. The part of the video where she’s blocking him covers much less than two miles, since he makes his move at 1:04. That would be about 0.9 miles.

            It would appear that during this time, she would have had to pull in very close behind or between the two vehicles she wanted to pass. I wouldn’t do that, either.

            She moves into the left lane right after Mr. Super Duty exits stage left, so there’s her turn.

            You can see one of the trucks she wants to pass very early in the video but then it moves forward, relative to her position and is lost from sight, to reappear later. Did he speed up? Did she slow down? Don’t know but her speed looked consistent to me throughout.

            Sunlight glare and Mr. Super Duty prevent us getting more information about conditions and we can’t rule out a 3rd vehicle in the right lane.

            The way I see the video, it went down just as she described it.

          • 0 avatar

            > It would appear that during this time, she would have had to pull in very close behind or between the two vehicles she wanted to pass. I wouldn’t do that, either.

            Getting in the proper lane a mile/minute out from a left turn is hardly unreasonable. This wasn’t a highway no matter how much the Trucker proxy defense force desires that narrative. To appease them she would need to slow down to get behind the right-lane-truck (thus further “antagonizing” their fragile egos), or sped up to get in front, and hope to have enough time/room to get back.

            OTOH, had the dumbass any driving skills he could’ve noted the speed differentials well ahead to time his pass. Blaming others for their lack of basic competence is typical dumbass ethic.

            > Did he speed up? Did she slow down? Don’t know but her speed looked consistent to me throughout.

            By timing the passing scenery it seems they both slowed down (Trucker first) during the bird flipping spell. This was in part what caused the accident because it implies higher torque at the wheels when he accelerated and turned in to cut her off, against what was apparently a semi-wet and slippery surface.

    • 0 avatar
      Reino

      She never had a chance to let him over. She was passing two trucks. After passing the second truck, she should have moved over to the right lane. But the asshole squeezed in front of the second truck and then filled the position should could have been in the right lane.

  • avatar
    Swedish

    Ecoboost just kicked in, yo!

  • avatar
    troyohchatter

    Lost in all of this is WHY it happened. If the guy had any motorcycle experience or training, he would have known that newly wet roads can be like ice. Add an empty pickup truck with a set of marginal tires and you have a recipe for disaster. 99% of all season tires will maintain traction on wet roads, that is, until they lose traction. Once they lose traction, forget about it!! They have no ability to regain the traction.

    I think both of them should be taken to the wood shed. The dude was a tool, but she should have dropped over long enough to let him by. By keeping trouble like him behind her she was endangering herself. But again, my mentality is one of a long time motorcycle rider.

  • avatar
    jmo

    What model year was that truck? I looks new enough to have stability control. But, I don’t know when stability control became standard.

    The women should be sent to a North Korean prison camp. The guy should just be charged with reckless driving and pay a substantial fine and insurance surchage.

    • 0 avatar
      Brian P

      The truck is the previous-generation SuperDuty. ESP was not standard.

      If this happened in my province, not only was the woman guilty of the seldom-enforced “slower traffic keep right”, but also of the very much enforced use of a hand-held electronic device while driving.

      Two douchebags meet. They probably both still think they were right.

      • 0 avatar
        jmo

        And the B&B complain about making it standard. He easily could have killed someone if there had been anyone on the other side of the street, or even someone crossing, kid on a bike, lady in a civic….

    • 0 avatar
      30-mile fetch

      So the annoying provocateur gets worked to death in North Korea while the guy who nearly killed someone because he has the self control of a toddler gets a little bit of legal retribution?

      Nice set of priorities there.

      • 0 avatar
        jmo

        Exactly.

      • 0 avatar
        Xeranar

        I’m glad somebody said it. I’m not really sure what her crime is besides filming. I fully understand in a legal setting she would have some fault (nominally 10-20% because she did film) but in a practical setting this F-Series had no reason to engage in that behavior. I kind of expect this view coming from the semi-restrained ‘alpha male’ attitudes common here.

        • 0 avatar
          redav

          I don’t see fault due to filming because filming didn’t lead to the accident. Certainly curtesy dictates she move over, unless there are other circumstances we may not know (such as dealing with the left turn). However, unless there is a law against what she did, I can’t see assigning fault to her.

          To paraphrase Reagan, we need to blame the people who do what’s wrong, not society. What he did was wrong, blame him for that wholly independently of what anyone did. If she did something wrong, blame her for that, but not for what he did. No situation FORCES you to do something, it is still your choice.

  • avatar
    geeber

    Judging from the video, the only damage wasn’t to his truck. He slid over a raised concrete section, clipped a few reflective markers, and then went into a grassy section, inflicting minor but noticeable damage throughout his “journey.” It also looks as though his truck knocked over some sort of metal pole. He would be responsible for all of that damage.

  • avatar
    Ryoku75

    I caught this yesterday on Jalopnik, at least on TTACs I can read ensuring comments without gifs everywhere.

    As someone whos been in similar albeit less crazy situations, the lady driver had guts and got her reward, theres one less dummy on the road for now.

    • 0 avatar
      fvfvsix

      Karma is indeed a bitch, and she will also get her due for laughing aloud and presumably leaving the scene of an accident without calling the authorities.

  • avatar
    tankinbeans

    I just saw this on another forum that I frequent. I’m going to guess she was antagonizing him on purpose, for the video, and he fed into it.

    It’s at least 50/50 because he could have chosen to let it go and pass on the right and move on. Nobody was forcing him to behave the a petulent child. She should have moved over once her pass was done because there was plenty of space after she got around the other driver in the right lane. She instead chose to stay there and film the incident.

    He should probably also become more acquainted with the handling characteristics of his behemoth of a thyroidal truck.

    • 0 avatar
      Lie2me

      “It’s at least 50/50 because he could have chosen to let it go and pass on the right”

      I would have been on his side except for this, if he was really in a hurry he could gotten in the right lane and moved on, but he was determined to force his will by making her move right. They’re both wrong and a couple of asshats too

    • 0 avatar
      KixStart

      tankinbeans: “he could have chosen to let it go and pass on the right and move on.”

      We now think it was Florida. Is passing on the right legal?

      If she was slowly passing a vehicle and reluctant to speed up, her other option was to slow down and pull in behind the vehicle she initially intended to pass. We can imagine how well Mr. Compensating would react to her slowing down because he wouldn’t immediately know why.

      tankinbeans: “She should have moved over once her pass was done because there was plenty of space after she got around the other driver in the right lane.

      That’s true. However, I sometimes run into situations where it has taken me a while to get past a car – or a few cars – and the driver behind me has become restive. As I’m trying to put some clearance between myself and the car I’ve just passed (the benchmark I was taught was that I had to be able to see him in the mirror), in order to change lanes safely, the driver behind me will gun it and pass me on the right before I can make the move. I’m careful to watch for this.

      Mr. Compensating may well have pulled around her before she thought she had the clearance necessary. I probably should look at the tape again but, then, I should probably also get some work done.

      • 0 avatar
        tankinbeans

        I don’t know the law in Florida, but whether or not passing on the right is legal is mostly irrelevant. Passing on the right, and moving on, would have likely been safer (if illegal). What he did was not only unsafe, but very likely very illegal.

        Safe and illegal trumps unsafe and illegal. My opinion is that somebody is free to get a ticket for their stupidity, but possible taking out a car full of people is horrifying.

        We’ve all had our moments where we’ve gotten impatient and pulled an illegal pass, but his behaviour was beyond over the top. His right to be a dumbass ends with somebody else’s, an innocent party to the situation, safety being at risk.

        • 0 avatar
          KixStart

          tib: “… whether or not passing on the right is legal is mostly irrelevant.”

          Yeah, I guess you’re right about that. Operating within the letter of the law does not seem to be the thing that was uppermost in his mind.

        • 0 avatar
          Sigivald

          As far as I know it’s not illegal to pass on the right anywhere in the US, generally.

          E.g. in Washington, it’s illegal – EXCEPT: “The driver of a vehicle may overtake and pass another vehicle upon the right only under conditions permitting such movement in safety” and on a two-lane road, not straying into the shoulder (IIRC).

          In other words, if you can do it safely, it’s legal.

          I can’t find *any citation* of a US law prohibiting passing on the right under conditions *where it’s safe and there are two or more lanes in one direction*.

          (It’s illegal all sorts of places where there’s only one lane and you’d have to go on the shoulder to pass.)

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            I’ve never know it to be illegal anyplace that I’ve ever lived, especially on a four lane road. I can’t imagine a law that would prevent you from passing a left-laner who just likes putzing along in the wrong lane, but this question about it’s legality comes up all the time in these discussions

          • 0 avatar
            KixStart

            I thought it was illegal where I learned to drive but perhaps I misremember. It could be that the Driver’s Ed instructor merely advised against it. It has been a loooong time.

          • 0 avatar
            redav

            I’ve tried researching the “illegal to pass on right” thing, and my conclusion is that the law can be vague and unclear. It does not match what I’ve been taught by cops, and I doubt it’s particularly enforceable.

            But on the legal/illegal topic, it’s illegal to speed, so the expectation of law abidance during a deliberate illegal act is questionable. It is also noteworthy how the GO FAST! crowd is so adamant that others obey law so that can break it. Really, it has nothing to do with law, it’s just justification.

  • avatar
    PRNDLOL

    It should be noted that the truck spun out exactly like when Bette Midler threw the discarded beer can at the littering driver in that Simpsons episode.

  • avatar
    philadlj

    THANKS, DENIS LEARY.

  • avatar
    FormerFF

    First off, if some overtorqued nut is riding your bumper like that, the best thing to do is to change lanes and let him find his destiny without involving yourself. However, once he had the opportunity to pass and instead chose to ride along side her, he’s taking an aggressive action that’s far more serious.

    Left lane bandits are merely annoying, road ragers are dangerous.

  • avatar
    mypoint02

    I have little sympathy for either of them. The guy in the truck was clearly driving unsafely and being an a-hole in the process. But if a large pickup truck is tailgating you at 75 MPH in the rain, what makes you think it’s a good idea to whip out your cell phone and start filming? I’ve been in similar situations with similar characters. If it’s unsafe for me to speed up and overtake someone on the right, I’ll put my signal on and slow down. Best to just diffuse the situation. Getting into a pissing match with a redneck in a Super Duty is never a good idea.

  • avatar
    jco

    see.. i think he had already started antagonizing her before the video started. it got to the point where she started recording in case it got worse (it did)

    perhaps he was just being a jerk. but it looked like she was passing a slower moving truck, on a residential road with traffic lights and what was likely a 40ish mph speed limit. she wasn’t going to speed just to appease this guy. which he wasn’t happy about. so he got aggressive. and was too busy with his head and middle finger out the window that he wasn’t paying attention to road conditions. so once he was able to get in front of her, he cut very hard to make a show of cutting her off and the back end slid out.

    karma? whatever. stupid and aggressive driving led to an inevitable conclusion

    • 0 avatar
      Landcrusher

      If she wanted do something about his behavior she should have moved over and called the police. Not become a vigilante. Where does it say this is a local road with a 40 limit?

      • 0 avatar
        dal20402

        Don’t know what the limit is, but you can clearly see this is a local road. There are lots of crossing roads, driveways, and left-turn lanes. Those don’t happen on limited-access highways.

      • 0 avatar
        Sigivald

        Vigilantes attempt to apply legal punishments outside the law.

        Recording someone isn’t vigilantism, nor is “obeying the speed limit”; attempting to *force him to pull over* might be.

        I notice she recorded her own speedo and it showed *50*, which seems pretty plausible as a maximum safe/legal speed given the conditions – and in any case is not so slow as to make a *decent person* incendiary with rage.

        • 0 avatar
          Landcrusher

          You are being too narrow on the definition. Vigilantes try to catch law breakers or enforce the law. Failing to yield on purpose while filming is both. Catch him on camera and keep him from speeding.

        • 0 avatar
          rudiger

          Yeah, the fact that she made a point of recording her speed seems to indicate that she was traveling at a reasonable speed for the conditions (or at least she felt she was). Coupled with her claim that the reason she was in the left lane was she needed to turn (and was, herself, passing slower vehicles) would have garnered sympathy for her actions.

          Unfortunately, that’s all negated by her gleeful exclamations of the ensuing crash. If not for that cheerful laughter, she likely wouldn’t have received even a fraction of the vitriol she’s now experiencing.

          • 0 avatar
            mnm4ever

            She’s getting all this vitriol because there are a lot of misogynists on TTAC. They do the same thing to Caroline. It’s embarrassing.

            I’d have laughed at the guy too if that happened to me.

          • 0 avatar
            burgersandbeer

            I was laughing at the guy and it didn’t happen to me.

  • avatar
    Mikein08

    If you are driving in the left lane, passing traffic in the right lane,
    and doing at or over the speed limit, then no one, but no one, can have
    an objection to what you are doing. Unless people think that you should
    move over to allow them to travel at higher than the posted speed limit.

    • 0 avatar
      Landcrusher

      True, but she had plenty of time to yield it appears to me. She could have at signaled intent to yield at least.

      The only time I don’t yield is when the car in front of me won’t yield. When the road is full, it makes no sense. Then the only issue is folks that want to tail gate you because you won’t tailgate the person in front of you.

  • avatar
    Jeff Waingrow

    Ms. Passive-Aggressive meets Mr. Master Of His Ever-Shrinking Universe. The results are becoming more and more familiar as the social fabric unravels and individuals become increasingly alienated. If you see any of yourself here, relax because you’ve got lots and lots of company.

  • avatar
    jd418197

    This comment is not necessarily related to the vid here, but in my experience the best way to solve the left-lane idiot problem is to move over to the right. Almost always they speed up, anticipating a pass. I don’t understand why people can’t have the courtesy to get out of the way. If you want to do 65 in a 65 that’s fine, but it’s rude to block someone else just because you’re an ass. Don’t slow anyone else’s roll if you can help it. Just be cool. I’m looking at you, Subaru drivers in Colorado.

  • avatar
    raresleeper

    How do you justify being a complete as$hole behind the wheel?

    Driving is a privelege, not a stage for you to make a complete imbecile of yourself and put others in danger in the process.

    But blocking someone is wrong. It is.

    Then again, the gentleman got what he deserved.

    I would have loved to get a shot of his face as the other car cruised by in disbelief. Lol

    Maybe he’s watched this. Better yet, maybe he’s on TTAC.

    Way to go, buddy.

    And the idiot of the year award goes to…

  • avatar
    DIYer

    The law of karma – What goes around comes around. We had something like this happen when we were trailering a washer and dryer in the right lane of US-23, it had just rained, and some guy behind us wanted to pass. We had to take it easy driving a Toyota Corolla towing a utility trailer. When he went to pass, he spun out ahead of us and went way down off the right side of the interstate into a low marshy area with cattails. He was OK, and we just kept going, and the guy kept looking at us from down in the ditch – his own impatience and wet pavement causing him to lose control.

    • 0 avatar
      fvfvsix

      In Arizona, failure to stop after witnessing such an accident would have landed you in court at the very least.

      • 0 avatar
        burgersandbeer

        Considering the woman was driving normally and did nothing to cause the accident, and her vehicle was not involved in the accident, why would she be required to stop just for witnessing it?

  • avatar
    philadlj

    How I Typically Deal with Left Lane Hogs on the Highway:

    If I’m bearing down on someone driving in the left lane but not passing anyone, i.e. not moving with the natural flow of traffic (especially if there are others behind being held up as well) I’ll maintain safe following distance and flash my hi-beams twice, to indicate I wish to pass.

    I only do this if there is a clear place on the right for the car to go. This works 4 out of 5 times, but not everyone knows what the flashing beams mean, or they’re not paying attention to what’s behind them at all. If they do not respond, I flash the hi-beams again.

    If they still don’t respond, I signal and take the opening instead giving a single toot on the horn as I overtake. I always prefer to pass in the correct lane, but sometimes you don’t have a choice. But you always have a choice not to tailgate or get angry with the driver.

  • avatar
    Dingleberrypiez_Returns

    No big surprise that half of the comments on here are bashing the lady driver…

    • 0 avatar
      darkwing

      #waronwomen ?

    • 0 avatar
      Lie2me

      I think it’s about evenly split, they were both jerks and the comments reflect it. The only “war” here is on the stupidity both drivers exhibited

      • 0 avatar
        Dingleberrypiez_Returns

        Lie2me, you’re right, I’ve just focused on the more over the top, vocal group. There’s always a large contingent of the “B&B” who love to offer contrarian/devil’s advocate or all knowing/superior judgment point of view- often with extreme hyperbole. The woman in the video is likely a jerk (def for the cell phone video, arguably for not yielding to allow passing). However, this shit happens all the time and is by an order of magnitude a much smaller infraction than the dude in the truck’s actions (which are not common reactions by sane people). As soon as I saw that this video was posted here, I instantly knew there would be a high number of commenters crazy ripping on the woman. Compare the comments here to what appears on other sites- the slant towards blaming the woman, and intensity of language, is way higher here at TTAC (and no, it’s not because people here have an inherently better understanding of driving and how she may have been antagonizing the guy). As to the whole war on women thing, I think the comments would have been similar if it was a dude filming… that being said, I do think there is a misogynistic slant to this site’s commenters and I’ve commented on that before.

        EDIT: I should note that there are a lot of reasonable comments here (the majority)… it just always seems like there is a handful of the most regular commenters and readers (as evidenced by always getting their two cents in first) are the most outspoken and over the top.

        • 0 avatar
          Lie2me

          “There’s always a large contingent of the “B&B” who love to offer contrarian/devil’s advocate or all knowing/superior judgment point of view- often with extreme hyperbole.”

          You mean trolling? Yes, it has happened on occasion, like now and before, then again sometime in the future

  • avatar
    thegamper

    Its little moments like the events depicted in this video that really brighten my day. The truck driver is an asshat plain and simple. Got what he deserved, plain and simple. The road being driven is not one I would call a left lane driver inconsiderate on as it has left turn lanes and is not a highway. The woman taking the video is not a good driver. Just let the guy by, keep your eyes on the road, put away your phone. The truck driver got his instant karma, I hope the woman driver is at least cited for careless driving due to filming the incident while at the wheel.

    • 0 avatar
      geeber

      What tempers any glee over the outcome is thinking about what could have happened. He could have slammed into an unsuspecting car coming the other way, which probably would have killed the occupants instantly.

      If you watch to the end of the video, a tractor trailer drives by in the other lane after his truck has come to a stop. A collision with that vehicle would have resulted in his death, and may have killed the driver of the tractor trailer.

      • 0 avatar
        mypoint02

        +1. He’s damn lucky there was no one in the left turn lane or in the opposing lanes at the time. Would have ended badly.

      • 0 avatar
        FreedMike

        Spot on, geeber. Or he could have crossed the center lane and hit a minivan full of kids at an angle. That would have been a very serious accident, made worse by the mass of the truck.

        People who drive these trucks need to be extra careful. Clearly they don’t handle worth a damn in an emergency, they take a lot longer to stop than a car, and when they hit another vehicle, the extra mass causes more damage than a “normal” car ever could.

        • 0 avatar
          KixStart

          He bought a 3-ton truck so he would be “safe.”

        • 0 avatar
          Sigivald

          I’m extra-careful in mine – precisely because other people are idiots who don’t realize a three-and-a-half-ton truck can’t stop *quite* as fast as their 2500 pound compact.

          Though they stop pretty well if you’re not driving them like a sports car; they all have ABS, after all, and really big contact patches on those tires.

          Mr. Idiot’s problem here was trying to turn and stop hard at the same time on wet pavement – I’m not sure my *Corolla* would be happy doing that, even with ABS.

      • 0 avatar
        OneAlpha

        Eh.

        “If” is the largest world in the English language.

  • avatar

    Neither one of these drivers can take a bow for this video. They have both chosen to make a larger point while behind the wheel and this kind of stupidity practically begs for a Darwinian solution to the problem.Almost happened with Truck Boy in this incident.

  • avatar
    Domestic Hearse

    This took place in the Tampa area on US 41, better known as the Tamiami Trail,* or as it’s known to locals –from Miami, to Naples, to Ft Myers, to Port Charlotte, to Sarasota and Bradenton, to Tampa — The Trail.

    The Trail passes through or skirts the business districts of all the cities listed above, including Tampa. It’s generally two lanes each way, with additional left and right turn lanes for the many — MANY — stoplights and intersections.

    The Trail is, during weekday business hours, a very congested and busy stretch of road, especially through Tampa. It’s often clogged with blinker-left-on retirees traveling well below the speed limit as well as tourists who are quite often lost and driving unpredictably.

    The speed limit on The Trail varies from 65 (between cities) to as low as 35 in the densest population areas. When you are on The Trail, you must remain vigilant – speed limit changes are abrupt, and the local constabulary in many of the aforementioned towns use these areas to line their communities’ coffers.

    A special note on road construction in Florida is now in order. To save money on the aggregate necessary to make concrete or asphalt, it is accepted practice to use ground sea shells as filler. Next time you’re in Florida, take a close look at a few road surfaces. You’ll see bits of seashells in many cases. You never know when you’re going to hit a patch of seashell aggregate road surface, but hit the brakes on such an area when it’s raining (side note – it rains pretty much every day in many places of Florida from spring through early fall), your vehicle will behave as if you’ve hit black ice.

    The videographer (filming portrait – ugh) does give us a glimpse of her speedo. I can’t quite make it out, but the needle is at 90 degrees, so she’s not exactly poking along. We also see it is raining. And that she’s on a section of The Trail that is well within city limits, if not through a business district.

    Given the conditions of the road, and the fact I’m pretty sure she’s going above the speed limit, I can hardly fault her for Left Lane Hogging (LLH).** You can see she is passing vehicles – and they too are probably going above the speed limit. In the rain. On The Trail. Through a business area of Tampa. Where there are many intersections. Speed limit changes. Cops. Tourists and retirees. And the possibility of the Florida equivalent to black ice.

    What happened to Mr Super Duty may or may not be karma, depending on your view of the universe, ethics, morality, God, etc. His truck’s demise and his arrest are, however, direct results of the conditions that exist on that particular stretch of road. A natural consequence.

    *Tampa to Miami = Tamiami. Get it?

    **The safety vest draped over the passenger seat indicates she’s possibly in a company vehicle, or a government vehicle. Wrecking or getting a ticket in one of those is not good for one’s career. So operating it as safely as possible, and within the rules of the road, is highly advisable. (Using a phone to film while driving is probably frowned upon by her superiors, which is why she’s remained anonymous.)

    • 0 avatar
      mypoint02

      Her speedo reads just under 50. I misread it the first time. I thought she was doing over 70.

    • 0 avatar
      Landcrusher

      In Florida, when does a US highway cease to be a highway?

      We have lots of this sort of thing in Texas (both US and State highways), and if you are not between stop lights, the locals generally treat it as a highway. Left lane courtesy is followed by most all rural drivers, a vast majority of suburbanites, and even most urbanites. First generation drivers, the poor, the ignorant, and the self important make up the majority of the bandits.

    • 0 avatar
      geeber

      You can hear her voice on the video. We can determine where this was filmed, and could even determine the make and model of the vehicle if we were so inclined. It’s not a stretch to believe that someone who knows her, and sees the video, could therefore figure out her identity.

      • 0 avatar
        fvfvsix

        She’s been interviewed about this on TV. Unidentified, but her face is out for the world to see.

      • 0 avatar
        VCplayer

        Thanks for the fact-providing. I drive roads of a similar nature daily, most drivers have just come to accept the fact that if it’s not areal highway they shouldn’t expect common passing courtesies. The fact that they are clogged with traffic 70% of the day contributes to the general “meh” feelings by drivers on them.

  • avatar
    burgersandbeer

    Am I the only one that didn’t think the SuperDuty was all that close for most of the video? Certainly closer than he should be, but I don’t think that is an unusually close following distance given what I typically.

    Following distance also varied. Either she was closing the throttle and bleeding off speed to annoy him, or he was accelerating and then backing off.

    • 0 avatar
      30-mile fetch

      Yeah, I see way worse tailgating on a daily basis. It didn’t get scary until the truck driver thought he would “show her” by cutting in front.

      • 0 avatar
        geeber

        I also thought that it didn’t look like he was driving that closely to her vehicle, but there must have been some reason that she felt the need to film him in the first place.

    • 0 avatar
      FreedMike

      It was WAY too close, particularly for a truck that size. Big vehicles need to leave extra space between themselves and the vehicle in front of them, because they don’t brake nearly as well.

      To wit, from Car and Driver instrumented tests of 70-0 braking:
      2012 Ford F250 King Cab: 242 feet
      2013 Honda Accord sedan: 180 feet

      And given the huge mass of these trucks, when they do hit, they inflict a lot more damage than a car can. People who drive these rigs need to be extra careful.

      • 0 avatar
        dal20402

        This. Every day I see HD pickups and large BOF SUVs being driven as though they could stop or turn like sports cars.

        Given the huge disparity in braking and turning capability I think drivers of HD pickups ought to have some special training, although I’m not sure it needs to be a full-fledged CDL. (I have a Class B CDL — in a former life I drove buses for a living.)

        • 0 avatar
          Landcrusher

          Now that’s a good idea. I would set the limit somewhere between a Tahoe and a Suburban weight wise and require additional training and testing.

        • 0 avatar
          Xeranar

          Perhaps a new C class license subset for ownership? It seems that if you’re going to drive a 3-5 ton vehicle on a regular basis as modern cars are getting sub-2 tons (and crossovers are getting lighter) that it may become a necessity. My xB is a tough little cookie but in a side impact with a bigger SUV I’m not getting away with anything less than broken legs and perhaps death if its fast enough.

          I’ve been a nimble little toaster for a number of years now but the worst offenders seem to be the biggest trucks that try and skirt any principle sense of their size and really lack of power. They’re not fast and they aren’t nimble yet I see them constantly try and act like they can run like a sports car (watching them try to pass me is hilarious.)

          • 0 avatar
            burgersandbeer

            After reading this story here this morning, what do I see tonight on my way home from work but a lifted, dual-rear-wheel pickup flying down the highway at probably 85 mph, given the space.I was looking up at the bumper and the outside rear wheels barely fit in the lane. The guy driving it wasn’t actually that bad with the tailgating and intimidation, but I still think too close and too many lane changes for a vehicle that size.

            Adding a license class to cover these behemoths is tempting, but I’m not sure what good it will do. A standard license certainly doesn’t prove someone is a competent driver; why should it be different with a new class for large pickups?

          • 0 avatar
            danio3834

            ” A standard license certainly doesn’t prove someone is a competent driver; why should it be different with a new class for large pickups?”

            It wouldn’t be any different. But it would allow our social betters to punish those who wish to drive the types of vehicles that they despise via fees and extra hassle.

            A little extra daily schadenfreude beyond watching a random dummy spin his rig out on the highway.

      • 0 avatar
        geeber

        I can’t disagree that a vehicle like this needs to be driven with extra care. But I doubt that she was calculating stopping distances of various vehicles when she decided to film this incident.

        (He obviously had no clue as to his vehicle’s capabilities, or lack thereof. We can only hope that he does now.)

        Most likely she saw that big, chrome grille taking up most of her rear window and felt intimidated. I’m guessing she wouldn’t have had quite the same reaction if he had been in an Accord and following her even more closely.

    • 0 avatar
      APaGttH

      Video distorts special perception. When I’ve filmed videos for work, and say we have two people sitting in chairs talking to each other, you would be stunned to see how close they actually are in the video, in comparison to how far apart they “appear” on video.

      Another example of this distortion in perception is going to the studio filming of a TV show – the audience area always looks vastly larger than it really is.

      Letterman’s stage and theater is incredibly tiny – compared to what you perceive it is on TV.

      Think of it this way, “objects in your video camera are closer then they appear”

      • 0 avatar
        Carzzi

        I envy those whose spatial perception is better than mine. That’s just special.

      • 0 avatar
        Elena

        I constantly record video in my truck and I noticed the same. Lens is too short (to increase Field of View) and, though barely noticeable, it distorts. Even close calls like a car coming at me trying to pass someone(one lane on each direction) inches away from my front end (inches earned through my breaking and swerving to my right)doesn’t look as scary as in real life when I play the video. Is there a correction software tool similar to those used in panoramic CCTV cameras?

  • avatar
    gettysburg

    Looks like he took out a street lamp; which I’m assumed he’d be required pay for. So yes, he should be charged with leaving the scene of an accident.

  • avatar
    FreedMike

    Road rage fail…LOL

    That’s not a freeway and she had no obligation to move over. Granted, she could have, and probably should have, but then again, the other driver could have could have just gone around her.

    Also, let’s take something else into consideration here: that rig of his weighs at least three tons, so it has a braking performance roughly equivalent to the USS Nimitz. People who drive these things need to be extra careful, and this clown certainly wasn’t. Between the tailgating, and the failed Remy Julienne driving stunt, he could have easily ended up in a head-on crash in the opposite lanes. A truck like that hitting a car head on at 35-40 mph or so would be a very serious wreck, probably fatal to whoever he hit.

    Roadgoing jerks are everywhere, but people who act like this in three-ton trucks deserve special derision, far as I’m concerned.

    • 0 avatar
      geeber

      Why anyone would want one of these as a daily driver is beyond me. My parents had a 1976 Oldsmobile Delta 88 Royale and 1973 AMC Gremlin when I learned to drive, so I’ve had my fill of sloppy handling and so-so braking.

      • 0 avatar
        FreedMike

        “Why anyone would want one of these as a daily driver is beyond me.”

        A lot of them are used as work trucks, but the overwhelming majority I see are driven by some middle-manager type. And in that case, I’d say they’re…ahem…compensating.

  • avatar
    OneAlpha

    Left-lane bandits are either self-righteous fucks or completely oblivious fucks.

    Just move over and get out of the way.

    Funny thing is though, I’d RATHER that a left-lane hog was deliberately playing mobile-roadblock vigilante instead of just cruising along fat, dumb and happy.

    I can at least respect a deliberate action, as much as I might hate the action itself. There’s at least thought and active consciousness behind it.

    Obliviousness drives me nuts.

  • avatar
    mcs

    Here’s a link to the woman’s youtube post. She gives a bit more background to the story:

    http://goo.gl/qCGbXJ

  • avatar
    APaGttH

    They are both idiots.

    You don’t film like that for posterity – it was antagonistic.

    On the other hand an adult doesn’t take the bait.

    This could have been avoided had she simply yielded the lane.

    This could have been avoided if Billy Bob (which looked so much like a stereotypical massive pickup truck owner) had acted like an adult and simply passed when he had the chance and let it go.

    It was stupid to be filming to that degree while driving.

    Both of them should have their driver licenses cut up into a million pieces.

    Feckin’ children – I’m glad this turned out to be only a single vehicle, and relatively minor accident – as I watched this video I was expecting utter disaster like the two of them broadsiding some unsuspecting car as they, errr, “communicated,” with each other – al a Top Gun.

    I agree with Jack that if the accident resulted in no damage to any other vehicle but the pickup truck – then why is there a “leaving the scene of an accident ticket.”

    They probably have a good case for dismissal (assuming no poles or signs were harmed in the spin out). If the jurisdictional expectation is any single car accident with no other property damage REQUIRES the police to show up to allow a drive way – then any idiot who has backed into a bollard or phone pole has broken the law.

    *edit – rewatched the video and does appear he takes out some small poles causing damage to government property. The ticket is likely justified.

    • 0 avatar

      Similar things crossed my mind. I just also thought a couple of other things. No one has a right to be a vigilante, in other words, no one in the general public is entitled to be the lane police. You never know, a person could have a legitimate reason for trying to move fast (somebody hurt, in need of care etc.). As the person in front, that’s simply not your call.

      She should have moved over and he should have just passed on the right when he had the chance.

      Last thought, he probably would’ve have crashed if he was in a car and not a pick up.

  • avatar
    April

    The stupid redneck driving his compensation for a small penis received what he deserved.

    • 0 avatar
      NMGOM

      April – - –

      How would you know he had a small penis? (^_^)..

      —————

      • 0 avatar
        April

        1. A big truck.

        2. Jacked up suspension.

        3. Too much chrome

        4. A pushy attitude

        P.S. I’m willing to bet there are a set of rubber bull testicles hanging from the back bumper.

        • 0 avatar
          danio3834

          Ah of course.

          P.S. The preferred nomenclature is “Truck Nutz”.

        • 0 avatar
          LALoser

          April, you left one thing off; the Yosemite Sam mud flaps that say “Back Off”…

        • 0 avatar
          Big Al from Oz

          @April
          You are probably correct in your assumption that the guy is a red neck.

          Remember most rednecks like leather as well.

          But his favourite move might have been that one I think was called ‘Cracked Ass Mountain’;)

          The guy irrespective of trying to classify is an asshole of a driver and received a just outcome.

          Remember not everyone is a redneck who drives a pickup, even ones with lift kits.

          • 0 avatar
            mnm4ever

            @Big Al – well I would have to side with April on this one. Around here pretty much everyone with a big jacked up truck is a redneck. Not that there is anything wrong with that, they are mostly great guys, and I really like those trucks too. But proud rednecks for sure.

  • avatar
    Matt Foley

    At 1:08 of the video, Truck Bro has nearly completed his right-lane pass of Camera Girl…and then all of a sudden, she draws alongside him again.

    If that happened because Truck Bro eased off the gas to screw with her instead of completing the pass and continuing on his way, he should be shot.

    But if it happened because Camera Girl floored it to try and prevent Truck Guy from completing the pass, she should be shot.

    Which one of them wasn’t willing to let it go? That’s your asshole, ladies and gentlemen.

    • 0 avatar
      Reino

      Cam Girl sped up.

      • 0 avatar
        geeber

        Did she? I didn’t hear any sounds that would indicate that her vehicle was accelerating suddenly.

        • 0 avatar

          > Did she? I didn’t hear any sounds that would indicate that her vehicle was accelerating suddenly.

          It doesn’t even make any sense given how aggressively he’s passing her. Perhaps the trucker bros are sympathetic to his plight.

      • 0 avatar
        KixStart

        I didn’t hear evidence of acceleration.

        Since he leaned out to flip her off, it seems as though he passed her, then slowed so he could let her know he was “irritated,” otherwise he would have been gone.

    • 0 avatar
      Xeranar

      Reino. No.

      Just look at the outside edge, the treeline doesn’t noticeably speed up in any way. If you can’t tell the difference between his braking and her speeding up I’m not sure you have two eyes because debt perception is a requirement here. In fact the way he matches her again is pretty clear he either braked or was traveling fast enough that when he left off the gas he lost enough momentum to match her. Also it’s pretty clear as he goes back he falls behind her which if she was speeding up to match him wouldn’t have been an issue as she could have simply matched him without overtaking him.

  • avatar
    Wraith

    From the video, it looks like this lady’s driving was perfectly legal (apart from using her phone*), presumably AT the speed limit (when you compare her speed to that of the two trucks she was passing).

    It looks like the douchebag tailgating her sped into the right light as soon as there was any gap between her and the second truck. If she’d been followed by a sane driver, normal procedure would be for her to pull back into the right lane a couple seconds after this point, once she’d put enough distance between her and that second truck so she’s not cutting him off.

    She should be able to pass on the left, at the speed limit, without being harassed by someone behind her. Yes, she should pull over to the right when there is a safe opening to do so (assuming she isn’t in the left lane in order to pull into a left turn lane shortly up ahead). This guy didn’t give her a chance to pull into the right lane at a safe distance from other traffic.

    So from my view, this was entirely the tailgater’s fault. And besides, who acts like that. What an immature douchebag.

    *Yes, she shouldn’t use her phone. Probably not legal there, probably not safe. I suppose she was anticipating getting rear ended by this guy, wanted to catch his license plate in case anything happened – or so she could report him to the cops for dangerous driving.

    (I watched the video w/o audio, so I don’t know if I missed any additional context there.)

    • 0 avatar
      geeber

      According to her post on youtube.com, she was in the left lane because she wanted to make a left-hand turn. Given the type of road, this is entirely believable.

      • 0 avatar
        Lie2me

        She was in that lane for at least two miles, long prep for a left turn

        • 0 avatar
          KixStart

          I’m not sure there’s a statute of limitations on how early you may or may not pull over to make your turn.

          I never wait until the last minute to change lanes, as other cars might pull up abreast of me, making it impossible to change lanes and then I miss my turn.

          I generally pull into the proper lane, left or right, as soon as I start thinking about the turn.

          On account of this, I sometimes end up in the correct lane for a turn that’s a mile or more away, following somebody who’s going 5 under and chastising myself for being a little too prepared for the turn. In those cases, for some strange reason, I’m reluctant to go around him because, “my turn is coming right up.”

          A mind is a terrible thing to lose.

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            ” I sometimes end up in the correct lane for a turn that’s a mile or more away, following somebody who’s going 5 under and chastising myself for being a little too prepared for the turn.”

            Damn, I hate when that happens

          • 0 avatar
            CRConrad

            @KixStart: “I’m not sure there’s a statute of limitations on how early you may or may not pull over to make your turn. [...] I generally pull into the proper lane, left or right, as soon as I start thinking about the turn.”

            Oh, dang, something about that left turn just before Aunt Belle’s place just occurred to me… Better get in the left lane, then, to be ready for when we arrive on the other coast day after tomorrow. ;-)

        • 0 avatar
          Demetri

          If your next turn is left you take a left lane when you can, because you may not be able to get it back when you need it.

        • 0 avatar
          geeber

          She was also passing several trucks during the video.

        • 0 avatar
          Landcrusher

          She said, IIRC that he tailgates her for three minutes and she claims to be taking a left in another half mile.

          Sorry, I find it hard to believe she needed to be in the left lane for that long. She may be telling the truth, but we don’t actually know.

          What we do know is that having an exception that allows you to lane hog for over three and a half miles would pretty much make the rule itself unenforceable. Therefore, I am not inclined to give her a pass on that.

          I would say if you have time to get out your phone and start a video, you have time to yield.

  • avatar

    Some good insights here, esp. about the highway in question, road conditions, etc. I didn’t watch the video here at the office, I’m guessing the video shows the truck/it’s driver becoming impatient with the lane blocking tactics of the video’ing driver.

    In Missouri, blocking the left lane is a CRIME, a misdemeanor. The lane-blocker is in violation of Mo. Rev. Statue 304.015.6, which reads “All vehicles in motion upon a highway having two or more lanes of traffic proceeding in the same direction shall be driven in the right-hand lane except when overtaking and passing another vehicle or when preparing to make a proper left turn or when otherwise directed by traffic markings, signs or signals.”

    No limited-access caveat, no “slower traffic” caveat, nada. Stay the F over unless you’re passing.

    “Passing”, yes: what’s meant by that?. This video is from Florida, it’s said, so MO law is moot. Interpreted for here, the statue reads, “passing another vehicle”, i.e. one. Pass one, and yield the lane when you have room to get back over. You can discuss with the arresting officer if you had a chance to do that, or had to wait till you passed 3 right lane tailgaters at once, or whatever. “If” you’re ever stopped for this.

    Thus: will all this, we still have the problem here. I can’t find a resource on MO traffic convictions broken down by which statue was violated. Anecdotally: I’ve never heard of an arrest/ticket for this, and you’d think it would be notable if it occurred. “Maxine, you can’t believe what happened today! I got a ticket for being in the left lane too long, and I wasn’t speeding or anything!”. Film at 11.

    Anyhow.

    We could use some public service announcements or driver’s ed on this subject, and get people doing the right thing. Versus what you hear about, “I’m going fast enough, he’ll just have to be patient”, “I’m doing the speed limit, I have every right to use this lane”.

    Oh: and then some on how to navigate a traffic circle, rules for 4-way stop sign crossings, etc.

    • 0 avatar
      dal20402

      Florida code (Fl. St. 316.081) requires that only for vehicles proceeding at “less than the normal speed of traffic.”

      “Upon all roadways, any vehicle proceeding at less than the normal speed of traffic at the time and place and under the conditions then existing shall be driven in the right-hand lane then available for traffic or as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway except when overtaking and passing another vehicle proceeding in the same direction or when preparing for a left turn at an intersection or into a private road or driveway.”

      • 0 avatar
        mcs

        >> or when preparing for a left turn at an intersection

        In her youtube post, she says she was going to make a left about a half mile after the point of the incident.

      • 0 avatar
        Landcrusher

        In Texas, if someone is overtaking you, you are not driving at the prevailing speed. It’s not written into the law. But the drivers handbook makes it clear you should get over. I would be interested to hear from someone in Florida.

      • 0 avatar
        ajla

        That’s actually a slighter older version of the current statute. Since 2013 this has been the wording of 316.081 sec3:

        “On a road, street, or highway having two or more lanes allowing movement in the same direction, a driver may not continue to operate a motor vehicle at any speed which is more than 10 miles per hour slower than the posted speed limit in the furthermost left-hand lane if the driver knows or reasonably should know that he or she is being overtaken in that lane from the rear by a motor vehicle traveling at a higher rate of speed. This subsection does not apply to drivers operating a vehicle that is overtaking another vehicle proceeding in the same direction, or is preparing for a left turn at an intersection.”

      • 0 avatar
        NMGOM

        ljmattox – - –

        You said, “I got a ticket for being in the left lane too long, and I wasn’t speeding or anything!”
        This precise thing happened to me in 1967: Mannheim, Germany.
        Yup, some countries are pretty fussy about that left lane — especially on the Autobahn where Ferrari’s traveling at 120-150 mph EXPECT you to be gone when they get there. Otherwise, much unhappiness ensues.

        ————–

    • 0 avatar
      KixStart

      ljmattox,

      During the video, she passed somebody. So, no crime.

      • 0 avatar
        Landcrusher

        But the video is a minute and a half long and she says he had been tail gating for three minutes. Certainly there was an opening somewhere.

        • 0 avatar
          KixStart

          Not necessarily and so what? She was going fast enough to pass other vehicles and there was enough traffic and an intention to make a left to make use of that lane entirely plausible.

          Mr. Compensating, when he finally got around her, could have gone on his merry way without incident. As you can see, he felt that other clearly illegal, stupid and dangerous actions were called for.

          She was no more than mildly annoying; he was a dangerous jerk.

  • avatar
    JK43123

    It appears she is going the speed limit (or perhaps a bit over) based on the view of the street (not limited access). Many times I get people up my ass/flashing their lights when I am going speed limit, or even 5 miles over. These people need to grow up. There is not any reason to be upset with someone going the speed limit. I am glad he damaged his precious truck.

    John

    • 0 avatar
      brenschluss

      Broken record time:

      If you’re the only one going the speed limit, and the rest of traffic is going faster, you’re the hazard.

      • 0 avatar
        Kenmore

        Now I know how my parent’s generation felt when we came home and said that drugs and black panthers were good things.

        • 0 avatar
          Lie2me

          We didn’t discuss things like that with our parents, the whole idea was to keep them in the dark about, well everything. Didn’t you get the memo?

          • 0 avatar
            Kenmore

            It just kinda slip out when I was high and they give me some crap cause I bees stayin at Shaneeshas creeib an not like goin to skoo.

            Oh yah.. an they was some money missin an I has they car…you know.. piddly sheeit.

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            Oh, so you got caught and sang like a canary. What’s it like being grounded for life?

          • 0 avatar
            Kenmore

            Hah! I showed them! I took off at 17 and never took another penny or other material thing from them.

            Only later did I come to fully appreciate what “runt of the litter” meant.

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            Ha, reminds me of my youngest, he too was the runt, stubborn and scrappy, always trying to headbutt his way through walls when the door was sitting there wide open.

          • 0 avatar
            Kenmore

            The thought process is.. “They must *want* me to go through the door. No Effin’ Way!”

      • 0 avatar
        ajla

        I don’t necessarily disagree with you, but traffic enforcement is who you need to convince.

    • 0 avatar
      Maymar

      The implication there is that the speed limit is a reasonable safe speed, set by people with the public’s best interest at hand, instead of, you know, frequently artificially low for the sake of revenue generation, or appeasing the paranoid.

  • avatar
    WaftableTorque

    Pickup trucks and speed don’t mix.

    Once I was driving in St. Albert AB turning left from Hebert Road onto Cunningham Drive. I did the left turn at 50km/h in my Galant, because I could.

    Behind me was an early 90′s GMC truck who took it as a sign that I wanted to street race him, so he blew by me doing 70km/h in a 50 zone. My speed was around 60. He then tapped his brakes to slow down, promptly locking his brakes and causing his vehicle pendulum oversteer until he totalled it in an embankment.

    I filed a police report, but never got called about it. I assume the teenager learned a rather expensive lesson.

    • 0 avatar
      dal20402

      It can be hugely entertaining to screw with these guys if your car is more capable than their trucks. Many of them just tailgate as a default way of driving, not even because they necessarily want to pass you. Just drive at 50 mph, without slowing down, into a curve where that is roughly the safe cornering limit for your performance car. They will stay on your bumper until they panic, and the results are always fun to watch.

  • avatar
    mitchw

    On the NJ turnpike’s radio station, drivers are advised to only use the left lane for passing. An explanation given is that blocking the left lane leads to dangerous maneuvering and accidents. For drivers who don’t get the message, state troopers drive up and down the road in the left lane, coming up behind bandits and flashing their lights. Mostly the cop just lets you pull into the middle lane before going ahead to the next car up the line. But I have seen people get stopped.

  • avatar
    VoGo

    I miss John.

  • avatar
    mikey

    Maybe I’m old. Maybe cause I got a zillion miles of experience. But when I take, one of my frequent looks at my mirrors, and see some $hit happening behind me , I get out of the way.

    W.T.F. is so hard about that? Zoned out, and “road rage” nuts are the norm these days.

    Me? I just make sure they have zero impact on my life. IMHO both those drivers are at fault.

  • avatar
    LALoser

    How many times have you: Been driving 10+ over the freeway limit, pulled into the left lane to pass someone and they speed up without thinking. How many times have you waited for miles for someone in the left lane to pass so you could pass? And when you realize they are staying put, you pull out only to have them run up behind you. Then you go back into the right lane, and they go back to frozen in place?
    Have someone pass you and then start weaving in the left lane and slow down, then you catch up with them, and they are dialing/texting? Have someone scream down the on ramp, run right beside you making you move over when there is a mile in front and back of you?
    When driving people do dumb things, and to take it as a personal insult is a waste of time and always makes things worse. Always. The guy in the truck has a lot of maturing to do. Maybe he should have stuck to Tonkas a while longer.

  • avatar
    SkidRo

    Sorry this is long. Something similar happened to me the other day. In Maryland, we have the ICC. It is a cool three lane hi speed toll road that connects I95 to I270. 16 miles of bliss most of the time. I jump on about about at the half way point by making a left off the feeder road. The on ramp is a two into one and then onto the acceleration lane. Basically cars should zipper merge. Traffic is staggered on the two lane part and I am taking my turn zippering into one lane. A car behind me and in the left lane pulls up next to me after I was already in position and starts honking the horn and gives me the finger. I’m with my gf and we are like WTF is wrong with her. I think that people believe that if they are in that lane that appears to be the through lane and other cars are in the lane that ends then cars have to yield to them. Anyway, she backs off behind me only to fly past me (didn’t even bother with the acceleration lane)over to the far left hand hauling ass. We presume that she is late to work. I make my way to the middle lane and then move into the left to start passing some slower cars. The same lady is in front of us by a good distance but starts slowing down all the way to 50. The limit is 60 and cars normally roll about 65 in the left lane. Again we are WTF? I notice that she is doing something like adjusting her passenger sun visor. I wait for a minute or so while looking back at the line of traffic stacking up when I finally decide to pass in the middle lane. I signal (firm believer) move over, speed up to about 70 (I want to get away from her) and pass her. I signal, check and begin my move over in front of her when she floors it to try to prevent me from moving in front of her (again?). I was already beyond her though so I just keep going. I look back and she is tailgating me doing 70 while FUCKING recording me on her cell phone. That is what she was fucking with the entire time. I move into the middle lane to let her pass and we watch her weaving through three lanes of traffic for the next several miles. A few minutes later, after the ICC ends and it’s local roads, we see her stopped at the same light as us (we were turning left she was going straight)and I said to my gf that all of her crazy ass driving got her to the same place at the same time. And I wondered what she was going to do with that video that she was taking while driving, which is illegal in Maryland. It clearly didn’t show me doing anything illegal but it would’ve proved that she broke several laws. As I understand it, Maryland is considering passing a law that will fine drivers in the left lane holding up traffic. They consider the passing moves the drivers must make to get around these people dangerous and they are trying to prevent high speed weaving/passing.

  • avatar
    Rhiadon

    First, let me be very clear. I am not a lawyer. I do however like to make sure that I understand the Indiana Driver’s Code as that is the state in which I live. Many, not all, of the regulations in the Driver’s Code are there to help us share the road in a safe manner, so I really like it when people do thing in a safe manner. Speed all you like, do it safely with concern for your fellow motorists.

    That being said, I was curious about the specifics of the use of the left lane in Indiana because I’ve always known the rule to be you keep right (nobody does and it’s not enforced) except to pass or if you are about to turn left. There is a special section in the Indiana Code (http://www.in.gov/legislative/ic/code/title9/ar21/ch8.html section IC 9-21-8-11) that specifically handled roads with 3 or more lanes. It specifically states that the center lane may only be used for overtaking or in *preparation* for a left turn. I emphasize the word preparation for a reason. Any reasonable person would take that to mean that you are going to be taking a left turn in the very near future, say a 1/4 mile at the most. That does not mean that I have to turn left to go home on this road 30 miles from here so I’m in the lane.

    I’m not going to comb through all of the states traffic codes and I do imagine there are differences in many states. At least in Indiana, there is no distinction between a limited access road (i.e. interstate) and a local 4 lane road. Both have the same rules with only those exceptions listed.

    Now all of this being said, both people involved in this incident were idiots but for very different reasons. She isn’t responsible for the moron who wrecked his truck, he did that. But she is responsible for staying in the left lane and video recording while driving and not being attentive to the road. They both did things that were potentially dangerous to other motorists. Arguably equally dangerous.

  • avatar
    jjster6

    Simple solution. Get caught hogging the left hand lane, cop pulls you out of your car, and shoots you in the head right there. A warning to all the other numbskulls who hog the left lane.

    Now that I got that out of my system, the guy in the Super Duty was a jerk, but left hand bandits really piss me off. I feel for him. The left lane bandit, I have no sympathy. Maybe I should, but I just can’t muster it.

  • avatar
    Reino

    “If you’re the only vehicle in the accident, and you’re capable of leaving it under your own steam, why is that a crime, assuming there’s no property damage besides your own?”

    The torn up grass is property–either public or private. I was charged with this crime in college. I flipped my Camaro into a cornfield in the middle of the night. I ran home and figured I’d deal with it the next morning. But the cops caught up to me at home and charged me with leaving the scene.

  • avatar
    Master Baiter

    The fact that she was taping this, and driving under 60MPH in the left lane tells me she was intentionally trying to antagonize the driver of the truck. The first time he passes her on the right, he just glances over to her; then she SPEEDS UP to pass him (at which point he realizes he’s being messed with); only then does he flip her the bird while passing. If she were planning to turn left, her left turn signal should have been on, also she was in the left lane for a much longer period of time than necessary for a left turn. Then she laughs about the whole thing–a potentially serious crash where the guy and/or other drivers could have been hurt. The guy probably has grounds for a lawsuit.

    • 0 avatar
      geeber

      Did she speed up, though? Or did he slow down after passing her, in order to flip her the bird? I didn’t hear any sounds that would indicate that her vehicle accelerated suddenly during that time.

      • 0 avatar
        Master Baiter

        Looks to me like she speeds up. If you notice, she passes him and he has to speed back up to catch up to flip her off. If he had dropped back to flip her off, he would not have over-shot her car by 20 feet like the video shows. He clearly has to speed up to catch back up to her.

        • 0 avatar
          LALoser

          Lets say she was driving slow in the left lane. She didn’t invent this action, and he should be mature enough to realize this. Even if she did speed up, maybe it was to get away from him.
          Nothing she did called for his extreme actions on a crowded road. And it seems no one else had a problem with her driving.
          He acted in a way that endangered others, she did not. She may have been driving slower than *he* wanted, but that is called life. Especially on our overcrowded streets.

        • 0 avatar

          > If he had dropped back to flip her off, he would not have over-shot her car by 20 feet like the video shows.

          If he knew how to drive he wouldn’t have crashed. In any case the quite evident lowering speeds should be sufficient to demonstrate otherwise; they were going maybe 10mph towards the end.

          So many Trucker wannabes living vicariously through him.

          • 0 avatar
            Master Baiter

            You think he swerved into the median and crashed into trees after leaving the road at 10 MPH? What are you smoking?

          • 0 avatar

            > You think he swerved into the median and crashed into trees after leaving the road at 10 MPH? What are you smoking?

            Again, for those who share Trucker’s powers of judgement, their speed is evident from the video itself. They were going what looked to be under 20 at one point, then he sped up to maybe 35-40 to cut her off then fishtailed on a wet road offering little friction to slow his dumb ass down and crashed at maybe 15.

            I can easily see him reading this thread and likewise offering similar insights as many here, certain in their own ability to avoid such an embarrassing scene.

  • avatar
    maxxcool7421

    :) looks like he got what he deserved. Simple matter here, Idiot in giant truck with small penis road rages and chooses to try to cut her off. And wrecks his truck and (i hope) injures himself.

    Regardless of events prior. He chose to accelerate in a way his meager pathetic skills could not handle.

    He could have followed her and horned instead.
    He could have reported her and moved on.
    He could have just let it go.

    But instead chose a aggressive action that put him in the path of oncoming traffic with families, big rigs and other people completely unaware this mentally challenged diaper stain was about to 180 his truck at 75mph because he needed to make a point.

    Again, he “CHOSE” of conscious deliberate mind to do this. No matter the reason, he made the decision to act in a fashion that endangered others in a way that would put a set of crosses on the side of the road with the names of children and family members on them.

    Hopefully he was seriously injured and is unable to drive because ”guys like that with those kinds of anger issues” tend to also behave the same irrational abusive way to pets, children and wives… At the least he is off the road for now and normal people who don’t want to kill other people to prove a point wont be in danger.

  • avatar
    ajla

    The guy acted like an embarrassing stereotype. I really don’t care if she was going 15 under the speed limit in a Prius with “Left Lane Bandit” and “YOU SHOULD DRIVE 55″ bumper stickers.

    If the “keep right except to pass” crowd is looking for a champion, they haven’t found it here.

  • avatar
    sfvarholy

    There’s another takeaway from this and one that I learned first hand as an attorney representing an insurance company in a very sad road rage case: no one wins in road rage and misbehavior behind the wheel.

    The case was this: dad driving a company SUV with wife in passenger seat and toddler in car seat behind him gets into a road rage altercation with another driver during morning rush on an interstate in a major metropolitan area. It quickly becomes a high speed cat and mouse which ends with the SUV in the median tumbling over and over in the grass. Daughter is half-ejected and suffers injuries and is permanently paralyzed when her car seat is halfway out of the vehicle when it rolls.

    Both drivers sue. Our client’s question to us was: pay the policy limits to the driver’s family which would be millions of dollars. The other driver’s at fault, our clients exposure is something less because then they’d be on the hook for just uninsured motorist coverage limits. The other driver was uninsured and likely an undocumented alien.

    We ran several mock trials, varying the presentation. EVERY SINGLE TIME, the jury blamed the father as much as the other driver, no matter who “started” the conflict. Once the parties were engaged and stayed engaged, the panels came up with the same result.

    The vivid lesson: 1. don’t be a road rage asshole. You’ll get blamed 100% of the time. 2. someone acts like an asshole and is raging against you do not engage. Ignore them and their conduct, pull over, pull off the road, stay behind them, do whatever you have to do to not engage the other driver or else you’ll also be blamed 100% of the time.

    Our client paid the policy limits to the employee. They also dropped their insured soon after paying the $5+ million claim.

    • 0 avatar
      LALoser

      Wow. Great insight.

      • 0 avatar
        sfvarholy

        Guess you don’t get it.

        In road rage incidents it doesn’t matter who is the “lane hog” or “tailgater” or who is “right.” It doesn’t matter who flipped off who first or who flashed the lights at who first. If you are a party in an incident, you are going to get the book thrown at you by a jury.

        The split responses to this thread bear that out.

        It was eye opening to me. It should be to you, too.

        • 0 avatar

          > you are going to get the book thrown at you by a jury. The split responses to this thread bear that out.

          It’s unclear what prompted this reply but this particular case isn’t analogous to yours anyway.

          Here one party simply stood their ground while the other roided out. A split response between roiders and those mocking them has little to do with legal or moral standing.

          http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2014/03/instant-somethings-gonna-get-ya/#comment-3021561

          • 0 avatar
            fvfvsix

            Had both parties been in the accident, sfvarholy’s scenario would’ve played out in this case as well. As it stands, you are one of the few who places no blame on the female driver in this thread for helping escalate this matter. If they had both somehow collided, I imagine any jury would assign fault in a 50:50 ratio.

          • 0 avatar

            > Had both parties been in the accident, sfvarholy’s scenario would’ve played out in this case as well

            No, had there been an accident the video would’ve largely exonerated her. sfvarholy’s case were you literate enough to grasp it assumes both drivers acting recklessly.

            > As it stands, you are one of the few who places no blame on the female driver in this thread for helping escalate this matter.

            I have no issue pointing out that everyone else but those few are dumb.

        • 0 avatar
          LALoser

          ??? These postings seem off.

  • avatar
    canddmeyer

    Tailgaters are everywhere. Sometimes it’s the small car tailgating my truck. Regardless, most of the time someone isn’t blocking a fast lane, rather some mindless impatient idiot with a death wish and no regard for anyone but themselves is in a hurry for nothing, tailgating and weaving all over the road. Case in point is this truck driver and their 7000lb weapon.

  • avatar
    Mandalorian

    Tailgaters and Left Lane Hogs…Perfect, let my enemies fight each other.

  • avatar
    LALoser

    Ever watch Vodka Videos on Youtube?

  • avatar
    mnm4ever

    I live in the area that this video was taken. That road is not a limited access highway, its a main drag though an area lined with residential neighborhoods. It is also a major truck thoroughfare and commuter road that gets pretty busy. I am fairly sure that in the area she was, the speed limit is either 45 or 50, depending on what section you are in. And it was raining. Last week in Florida we had torrential downpours, not like the rain the rest of you are used to. It is hazardous, and the roads around here get really slick… which is why the truck spun out.

    I hate left lane bandits as much as the rest of you, believe me its a big problem around here. But in this case I cannot blame the woman. She was going “fast enough” for conditions and didn’t feel safe speeding even more to get in front of the trucks that were next to her. The a$$hat in the truck needed to chill out and I think he got what he deserved.

    • 0 avatar
      fvfvsix

      I suspect that you would’ve pulled into the right lane in between the flatbed and the white van just to let the idiot pass. That is what I would’ve done. If you miss a left turn, who cares? you’ll be alive to take the next one.

      • 0 avatar
        mnm4ever

        Nah I wouldn’t have moved over either. All these people on here blustering about keeping right and the left lane is a passing lane, moving over is easy, miss a left turn big deal, etc, etc, have no clue what it’s like to drive in Florida. First off, traffic on that road, like most of the main commuter drags, is an absolute mess. This was not a limited access highway and on surface streets there is no expectation of using the left lane only for passing around here. If anything, the right lane is for people who are entering or leaving businesses, people usually stay left to keep going and not have to stop every 200 ft for someone trying to turn off or get back on the road. And she was planning to make a left… and the only way to do that is get in the left lane early, otherwise you cannot get over because of all the other traffic flowing in that lane. 1-2 miles early is normal, not excessive. The speed limit was either 45 or 50 and I suspect 45 in that area. She wasn’t a slow driver, she was driving along just fine and the guy was being a total jerk. And not to mention, it was raining, EVERYONE drives horribly in the rain around here because its so dangerous, you cannot understand how different it is unless you live here. The rain comes down so hard and so fast that it creates huge puddles and its very easy to hydroplane, you simply can’t speed safely even if it stops raining, the puddles do not drain for a while. And finally missing a left turn in traffic is a huge waste of time. This isn’t a city with grid roads that you can just double back on. And why should she? She wasn’t doing anything wrong, he was completely at fault.

        I see bad drivers on the roads here constantly. People honestly will come to a complete stop in the middle of the highway and reverse so they don’t miss their exit. Drive 10-20mph UNDER the speed limit because they are lost or scared or texting or whatever. Elderly drivers run into people pretty much daily, motorcyclists lane split in bumper to bumper traffic on the highways, I am not a slow driver, I am usually 5-10 over the speed limit and I get tailgated by some jerk trying to be intimidating every single day. Overly aggressive driving is a big problem around here. I am the first one to get annoyed at a bad driver, but this lady didn’t do anything to deserve being called the C-word. I am shocked at just how much woman-hate there is here.

        • 0 avatar
          burgersandbeer

          “I am shocked at just how much woman-hate there is here.”

          It is pretty unbelievable. Hard to fathom this is the same community that basically revolted against the previous editor over Forester crash test results and the girls of the Beijing auto show (and I’m sure others that I’m forgetting).

          This thread is an embarrassment to TTAC, highlighted with DenverMike doing the internet equivalent of what the Truck Bro does in the video, and NMGOM’s piece about the woman in a bar (I really hope I misread that one).

          I guess thanks to Jack for putting a spotlight on the kind of crowd I’m interacting with here.

          • 0 avatar
            LALoser

            +1

          • 0 avatar
            KixStart

            There’s certainly several posters who I would advise my daughters not to date, in fact avoid altogether.

            I’d ask my wife for her opinion but she tolerates my time on the site and I think that would be endangered if she read this thread.

  • avatar
    DenverMike

    Passive Aggressive C?NT! You don’t pickup your camera and start filming, you get out of the way. Yeah who cares how fast you’re not going?? Get your funk to the right. If you were eventually turning left, you don’t need to have others go around your A$$ for more than 2 miles.

    I’m not saying he’s not a piece of ‘work’ too, but you both deserve a misdemeanor or two.

  • avatar
    b72

    What is so difficult about changing lanes? If someone is behind you, move over.

  • avatar
    michaelfrankie

    Apparently it’s just as hard to have patience and keep your 7,000# trunk on the hard stuff. Who knew?

  • avatar
    cdrmike

    She was being a douche. He was being a douchier douche. They deserved one another.

  • avatar
    CapVandal

    I quit giving ANYONE the finger. Especially driving. It’s bad juju.

    One story. I was driving in the right lane on a four lane urban road at rush hour. A bicycle is in front of me. I can’t imagine I was going below the speed limit. I pull over in the left and a woman behind me starts honking. I give her the finger. She decides to pass me on the right, then has to slam on her brakes to avoid hitting the bicyclist. I was thinking, “yea, bitch. there was a reason I pulled into the left.” But later (a lot later) I started thinking that there wasn’t much margin of error and she could have seriously maimed the bicyclist. I had a couple of other situations — the final one on a street named Martin Luther King (it was a white guy), but a lot of guns in that neighborhood,

    This is not advice — just my story.

  • avatar
    Maymar

    There’s no question the asshat in the truck has a complete lack of judgement, and no ability to handle his behemoth. But, ultimately, he got what was coming to him. He’s been penalized, he’s damaged his truck, and even if she let him by, it’d just be to let him get caught by the speed trap undoubtedly hiding somewhere down the road. Whatever you think of speeders, there’s an active attempt to combat that.

    Her on the other hand? Self-righteous dickwad who very clearly could have let him by with no impact to her. And I’m sure this has just strengthened her conviction that she was completely, absolutely in the right. In a just world, she’d have to spend the rest of her life trapped behind legions of senior citizens who can barely see over the steering wheel, and forgot where they were going about two miles back (which was ten minutes ago).

    • 0 avatar

      > Self-righteous dickwad who very clearly could have let him by with no impact to her

      Frankly it doesn’t matter what she is or isn’t. FL has more than its share of geriatric moving chicanes and it’s the responsibility of the fast driver to deal with it.

      Where the Trucker-dummy defense force go wrong is their collective failure to recognize his attempt at intimidation, and further expectation for the victim to roll over.

      IOW, this isn’t about getting around a slower driver since these opportunities in the vid were never taken, but frustration at a will-to-power trivially stunted and embarrassed by some fat bitch with a camera.

      • 0 avatar
        fvfvsix

        I don’t view it as “rolling over”. More like self preservation. Even in the nicest neighborhoods in my neck of the woods, _everyone_ has a gun in their car. It’s just better to let a tailgating moron who clearly has issues pass you than to have to return fire. YMMV.

  • avatar
    KixStart

    Google cars don’t get road rage.

  • avatar

    > Trucker-dummy defense force

    Just to clarify this, it doesn’t mean those piling on the woman are dumb enough to publicly sympathize for him after such an embarrassing episode. But to them she’s still the left-lane camper, and they implicitly empathize with getting stuck behind her which explains the proxy rage.

    If any of them were the one in the vid instead, trucker-dummy could easily substitute for him here to fill the role of calling the bitch out.

  • avatar
    Xeranar

    I’m surprised the comments weren’t more misogynistic. Congrats B&B for surprising me on this one…though maybe they’re more subtle or you’re all just that egotistical…Nah, lets stick with you’re decent folks on this one.

    If somebody is ‘holding you up’ you’ve already failed. We’re all individuals and yet we live in a collective society. She appears to be passing and certainly seems to be driving within reason. The truck driver was simply acting out of petty feelings and failed miserably at the end. Treating this as a lecture on why you should stay in the right lane seems to ring hollow because suddenly this person is being told to comply when they have every right to pass and act within a reasonable set of circumstances for the situation.

  • avatar
    chicagoland

    “This is NOT a freeway [Interstate]. It’s a four-lane local highway with crossings and driveways.”

    This.

    If on surface street, get over trying to cruise fast, and go with flow.

    Still, why don’t fearful drivers just pass the darn slower big trucks and pull over? DO they think a ticket will be mailed to them going 51 mph?

  • avatar
    CarGal

    Quote from the woman:

    I couldn’t move over because there were trucks in the right lane, and I sure as heck wasn’t going to speed on a rainy day with the roads being as slick as they were. I was turning left in about a half-mile when this happened. Now bear in mind, that this guy had already passed a truck in a left turn lane, was tailgating and driving recklessly on a wet slick road, wasn’t paying attention, and all in all being an ignorant ass.

    “I never brake checked him, and in fact until I watched the video after the accident I didn’t even know he shot a bird at me because I wasn’t looking at him at all, I was paying attention to the road while holding the phone up with my right hand. I’ve recorded circumstances like this before, catching idiots doing stupid things, but never ever had this happen.”

    “He initially fled the scene of the accident, but thanks to this video he has been caught and charged.”

    If she is telling the truth, she did nothing wrong. She was turning soon and could not move to the right, the roads were wet and she didn’t want to risk it. That is perfectly acceptable in those conditions. This is in Florida where you can get a downpour in a blink of an eye and dissipate just as quickly.

    She claims she was paying attention while using her other hand to film. Nobody on here can hold her on that because I seriously doubt anybody here has never multi-tasked while driving (radio, coffee, et cetera) I know I have.

    The man, on the other hand, crashed his truck because he was more concerned with passing her. If he gave her three car lengths and passed her in a normal manner, his truck would be in one piece and he would have made it to his destination.

    The driver of the Super Duty fled the scene which suggests the vehicle was either stolen, he was intoxicated or high, has something in the truck he shouldn’t have, or no insurance. That or he was afraid of the cops seeing the video…which they did anyway.

    Due to his impatience over a slow driver he now has:

    -Several thousand dollars worth of work on his truck (assuming it’s worth saving).

    -ticket for the accident. A fine for fleeing the scene of an accident. Possible suspension of license, possible jail time. Possible insurance spike.

    In closing: We have all been around slow drivers. We all been around lane hogs. You can’t control them but you can control yourself. There is zero excuse for Mr. Super Duty’s actions and he is lucky he didn’t hurt anyone in the process of losing his cool over something that trivial.

    • 0 avatar

      Is your avatar pic as legit as mine?

    • 0 avatar
      DenverMike

      She covered the “half mile” in about 40 seconds” (60 mph is mile a minute).

      There’s no need to park the truck and hang around. There was no crash, just a spin out. The tonneau cover lifted from traveling backwards.

      I’m not defending his childish, stupid behaviour, but she was picking a fight. She could have moved over and let him go on his way in a matter of seconds, moving to the right and moving right back. No big, I do it everyday. But I’m not a C*UNT. There wasn’t that many trucks in the right lane. She a rolling road block instead of being courteous. Drive as if your company name is all over it.

      You do someone a favour, and you do yourself a favour. She could have been caught up in a crash. A big truck was coming in the opposite direction, seconds after the pickup crossed its path. She could have been in a head-on.

      He’s aggressive and she’s passive aggressive. They’re both idiots.

      • 0 avatar

        > but she was picking a fight. She could have moved over and let him go on his way in a matter of seconds

        If there was a gap large enough to move over, there’s large enough gap to pass on the right. You simply misunderstand the alpha-wannabe mindset:

        http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2014/03/instant-somethings-gonna-get-ya/#comment-3020393

        It’s of course a valid choice to roll over on command for the already pathetic. These folks are ironically identified by a synonym to “C*UNT”.

        • 0 avatar
          DenverMike

          >>If there was a gap large enough to move over, there’s large enough gap to pass on the right. You simply misunderstand the alpha-wannabe mindset:

          He did pass on the right. Not the safest, obviously. Probably waited until there was a big enough gap the C*UNT couldn’t have closed by speeding up. It’s obviously safer to pass on the left when a driver yields. And you don’t have the confusion when both move to the right. That’s why emergency vehicles pass on the left, even when there’s room on the right. Never mind common frickin’ courtesy. On mountain roads, it’ll pullover between turnouts. It makes it safer for me if the animals behind me don’t need to pull a radical stunt, on the shoulder or over the double yellow. You make it safer for those around you, you make it safer for yourself.

          And 2 wrong don’t a right. That was a C*NTY laugh too…

          • 0 avatar

            > He did pass on the right. Not the safest, obviously. Probably waited until there was a big enough gap the C*UNT couldn’t have closed by speeding up.

            No, for those who bothered to read what’s already been said or at least watch the video it’s obvious & evident respectively this is untrue. The only remaining question is not the facts of the case but rather why some choose to persist in their ignorance.

            > It’s obviously safer to pass on the left when a driver yields. And you don’t have the confusion when both move to the right. That’s why emergency vehicles pass on the left, even when there’s room on the right.

            Given that Trucker obviously didn’t give any damn for safety, it’s unclear why it’s being used as an excuse by those championing his cause. In perspective, their attitude would suggest they don’t particular care for safety either except when convenient in an argument.

            > Never mind common frickin’ courtesy.

            Again, to be blunt those particularly courteous to others who aren’t even close are idiots.

          • 0 avatar
            KixStart

            DenverMike,

            Your choice of words says more about you than about the woman in the incident.

      • 0 avatar
        mcs

        >> There was no crash, just a spin out.

        Take a look again frame-by-frame. He takes out a street light. That’s what makes the loudest noise during the crash in the video.

      • 0 avatar
        30-mile fetch

        “But I’m not a C*UNT”

        I don’t know, your repeated use of the word and general tenor of your comments is making that less and less clear. What she did was annoying. What he did was outright dangerous and would have killed someone in the opposite lanes if not for chance. Why 90% of your rage is directed at her is baffling.

        • 0 avatar
          DenverMike

          Don’t forget the C*NT instigated it. Most here side with the C*NT, is all. Especially the chicks. No rage. What she did wasn’t overtly dangerous, but why start crap? Let A$$holes pass and get down the road. She endangered herself in the end. And she was driving by ‘braille’ part of the time.

      • 0 avatar
        CarGal

        @ DenverMike

        There is no need to use the word “c*nt. You can get your point across without using remarks like that.

        She says “A half mile after this happened” which I can only assume she means the crash. So, to be clear on this, I believe she was saying that after he wreaked out, she only had a half mile left to go.

        She also claims the man in the truck passed someone by using the left turn lane. That right there, if it’s true, is extremely unsafe.

        We’ve all experienced slow drivers and lane hogs on the road. We also know how to get around them without flipping out like a crazy person.

        • 0 avatar
          DenverMike

          @CarGal – C#NTY just best describes her actions. C#CKY best describes his actions. They’re both very close to being A$$HOLES…

          Guys can be C#NTY too. It’s not a gender thing.

          • 0 avatar

            > C#CKY best describes his actions.

            This may describe how his peers perceive their attitude but not how it is in reality. A cock of the henhouse takes what he wants, ie simply runs her off the road instead of pretending/aspiring to when we all know it’s just an act.

            IOW, the leash is quite short and worse still he feels the strain on his neck when it’s not even physically there.

    • 0 avatar
      NMGOM

      CarGal – - –

      You said, among other things, “If she is telling the truth, she did nothing wrong. She was turning soon and could not move to the right, the roads were wet and she didn’t want to risk it.”

      As a partial recap from my post above (March 29th, 2014 at 12:11 am):

      1) She was not simply in the “process of passing” anyone. The video clearly ran for 45 seconds with her speed at about 57 MPH (I stopped the video for better accuracy) before the flatbed reappears.

      That is:
      …a) D]ft = 45* 57 * (88/60) = 3762 feet;
      …b) D]mi = 3762/5280 = 0.71 miles — ALMOST 3/4 OF A MILE!
      She could easily have pulled over, if she wanted to.

      2) This was obviously a set-up. Yes, the poor yokel in the pick-up fell for it, and let his temper get the best of him. But this young lady clearly did the baiting, or she would not have taken such diligence in the video production; and would not have taken such glee in the unfortunate aftermath.

      Go examine the video again,and stop it at about 36 seconds (+ of -): THERE IS NO DIRECTIONAL SIGNAL INDICATOR FLASHING ON THE INSTRUMENT PANEL. This woman had either no intention of turning either left or right!

      So, clearly she is lying. “Poor little ol’ me” syndrome: “I didn’t do anything.”
      Yeah, right. Like the young lady in the bar described in my referenced comment above.

      I look at culpability in terms of an event or accident sequence:
      Who began the sequence of bad behavior or misjudgment, and by how much?
      Who then contributed to bad behavior or misjudgment added after that, — when and why?
      Who or what concluded the sequence, and what were the consequences. – - – - – -

      a) If you look at the video, the truck was initially approached her about a car-length back.
      Bad behavior #1 (HIS): He came a little too close. But this is common in traffic. MINOR.

      b) He expected the gal to move over. BUT SHE NEITHER MOVED OVER, NOR SIGNALED ANY INTENT TO DO SO.
      Bad Behavior #2 (HERS): Left-Lane Hogging. MAJOR.

      c) He moves in tightly to tailgate her as a “signal”, #3 (HIS). Active Aggressive behavior. MAJOR.

      d) She continues hogging the left lane, recording a video, one hand off the wheel. #4 (HERS). Passive aggressive behavior. Enticement. Reckless driving. BIG MAJOR.

      e) He loses temper, and impatiently scoots around her on the right, #5 (HIS). While “passing on the right” is not illegal in this country (with exceptions), his behavior shown was marginal and also antagonistic. MINOR .

      f) She apparently speeds up to match his truck’s position and seems to threaten blocking him in in the right lane, #6 (HERS). MAJOR.

      g) He again loses temper, pulls rapidly, closely, and uncontrollably in front of her into the left lane, and loses control of the vehicle to cause the median crash, #7 (HIS). HUGE MAJOR.

      Now, how can anyone say that this young lady is innocent of any wrong doing?
      And who started the sequence of MAJOR antagonistic behaviors?

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      • 0 avatar

        > f) She apparently speeds up to match his truck’s position and seems to threaten blocking him in in the right lane, #6 (HERS). MAJOR.

        For someone who claims to have watch the video careful, it’s pretty hard to miss the decreased speed of both vehicles during this stretch as evident through the pace of passing scenery. This was already pointed out above.

        Frankly I didn’t bother to but skim the rest of the post, but from this it’s pretty conclusive it’s largely based on fantasy.

      • 0 avatar
        CarGal

        @NMGOM

        I said “if she is telling the truth” which I don’t know if she is, I simply quoted her statement and gave my opinion based on that quote.

        The man in the truck is responsible for his own actions. I’ve been behind lane hogs and slow drivers yet never wrecked my vehicle because of it. Then again, I’m also patient enough to wait and don’t take unnecessary risks.

        Drivers can’t control traffic or other drivers. Tailgating and freaking out over it accomplishes nothing.

        So let’s assume for a moment that the female driver was indeed turning in half a mile. The male driver had to go another 804 meters before he never had to worry about or see her again.

        She also talks about the man in the truck passing someone by using the left turn lane. If this is true, her slowing down and blocking him in (if she did) possibly saved a life that day.

        Lastly, he fled the scene. A person flees a scene when he or she has something to hide. Chances are he was driving illegally or realized his absurd actions caught on video was going to work against him.

        • 0 avatar
          NMGOM

          CarGal – - –

          Thanks for your comment. It’s refreshing to know there are some real “car gals” out there… I’m having trouble finding them.

          To your points:

          1) You said, “Drivers can’t control traffic or other drivers.”

          Well, yes and no. One of the more advanced things we learned in Driver Education was a little bit of traffic management. Sometimes what you do or don’t do affects the driving environment around you. So, no, you can’t outright “control” traffic, but you can influence the good or bad decisions of others. Seems to be a lost skill nowadays.

          2) You also said, “If this is true, her slowing down and blocking him in (if she did) possibly saved a life that day.”

          That is, of course, speculation. If things get so intense that one driver considers physically and aggressively blocking another while they are both moving, that’s a bad decision. Pull over and let the police handle the situation. Call it in. Playing “bumper cars” with a Ford Super Duty cannot come out well…

          3) In addition, you mentioned, “Lastly, he fled the scene. A person flees a scene when he or she has something to hide. ”

          Not necessarily. People flee these scenes for all sorts of mostly poor reasons:
          …a) He was just plain scared, and panicked by what had just happened;
          …b) He was in shock, and not even thinking clearly;
          …b) It was actually his friend’s truck, and now he is ashamed;
          …c) The lady involved was actually his former girlfriend, and he is jealous of the new guy she’s going out with;
          …d) He already has a traffic-violation record and doesn’t need one more incident, or he’ll lose his license (This goes along with your “something-to-hide” hypothesis.)

          Maybe the news media can track this guy down and get an interview….. I sense the making of a really great TV mini-series. (^_^).

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          • 0 avatar

            > Thanks for your comment. It’s refreshing to know there are some real “car gals” out there… I’m having trouble finding them.

            Protip: patronizing attitude doesn’t help.

          • 0 avatar
            NMGOM

            u mad scientist – - –

            You said, “Protip: patronizing attitude doesn’t help.”

            Whoops! You’re right. It wasn’t meant to be patronizing at all, just a sincere observation. But this morning, in a different light, it may appear that way. No offense intended, CarGal….

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          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            I didn’t find “Thank you for your comment” to be at all patronizing. Following your discussion it appears polite and of good manners, isn’t that the way it was intended?

          • 0 avatar
            danio3834

            “Protip: patronizing attitude doesn’t help.”

            Says the guy with a boner for her avatar.

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            +1

          • 0 avatar

            > I didn’t find “Thank you for your comment” to be at all patronizing.

            > Says the guy with a boner for her avatar.

            > +1

            Let me count the reasons why this place is a sausage factory.

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            …and here you are right on cue

          • 0 avatar

            > …and here you are right on cue

            You replied to me, and I replied to you. Guidance on how this works shouldn’t be necessary.

      • 0 avatar
        CRConrad

        @NMGOM: “Like the young lady in the bar described in my referenced comment above.”

        Since you don’t seem to get it: You’re STILL not helping yourself with that analogy. On the contrary, I *might* have been inclined to be somewhat persuaded by the rest of what you wrote, but that comment — and especially, repeating it after it’s been pointed out to you how wrong it is — actively pushes me in the other direction: I now conclude she probably wasn’t also-behaving-badly to the degree I thought before I read it, because screeds that contain shit like this just must be wrong.

        To spell it out in detail, so you hopefully never spout such misogynistic drivel again: Rape is never OK.

        It doesn’t matter what a woman is wearing. That is NOT an official (nor an unofficial) “code” for “take me”. If she explicitly says she wants to, and shows so in action, then she probably wants to — if she doesn’t, then NEVER assume she does. Otherwise, if she just wants to show off her sexy new outfit — or, heck, if she’s a total exhibitionist who gets off on showing her naked body — then that’s all she wants to: To show off her sexy new outfit, or her naked body. You cannot conclude from that that she wants you to take her, so to take her without her explicit consent is RAPE, never mind *what* she is (or isn’t) wearing.

        Neither is the old drivel about “she should have known what effect it would have on the men!” a valid excuse. That’s just as stupid as Wahabite Islam. Where do you draw the line? If Daisy Dukes mean “Rape is OK”, then why not ordinary hotpants? Why not bermudas? Capris? Heck, any pants — “Those minxes, they must know what an enticing sight their legs are in trousers”, right? So obviously any woman not wearing a burka is free for the taking. If anyone accuses me of rape for taking a woman wearing, say, a swimsuit, against her will — I’ll just say you said it was OK, shall I?

        (That line of rape apologists, just like the defenders of muslim clothing prescriptions for women, also piss me off for another reason: It’s incredibly insulting to *men*. What, are we all supposed to so TOTALLY lack any self control?!? Speak for yourself, you testosterone-drunk brutes — but shut up about what women are “allowed” or “not allowed” to wear in the civilised society the rest of us live in!)

        So do me — but even more, yourself — a favour, NMGOM: Don’t ever spout that kind of bullpucky again. Rape is *N*E*V*E*R* OK, regardless of what a woman is wearing.

        Thank you.

        (Edit: Oops — I meant NMGOM, not DenverMike! Sorry.)

        • 0 avatar
          NMGOM

          Wow, CRConrad – - –

          Didn’t mean to get you so upset. I apologize if this was offensive.

          The analogy was not meant to suggest that rape is OK.
          It was meant to suggest that the psychology of “triggering events” is often complex; and some people, women (and men, by the way) can trigger sexually aggressive behavior the opposite sex, and fully know that they are doing it.

          This for me was not an issue of legality; it was an issue causality.

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          • 0 avatar
            burgersandbeer

            Keep digging NMGOM.

          • 0 avatar
            brandloyalty

            Cutting through all the weaseling and doubletalk, you’re still “blaming the victim”. If a “triggering event” is clearly provocation with intent to conflict, then you may have a point. But this woman did not provoke the neanderthal. The courts are not going to see driving above the speed limit but in the way of someone wanting to go even faster as provocation. By your reasoning, his behavior including giving her the finger would be justification for her doing a PIT manoeuvre on his goofy truck.

          • 0 avatar
            NMGOM

            brandloyalty @1:01 PM – - –

            You said, “But this woman did not provoke the neanderthal.”

            This is incredible. What video were you watching?
            She repeatedly provoked the truck driver (I’ll ignore your neanderthal epithet).
            And he repeatedly provoked her. Pure and simple.

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          • 0 avatar

            > She repeatedly provoked the truck driver (I’ll ignore your neanderthal epithet).

            It’s a testament to his self-control to avoid clubbing her on the head and dragging her home.

    • 0 avatar
      Jimal

      Since we only have her word to go on in terms of how long these two parties were interacting with one another on the road, I’d say that your conclusions – and those of everyone else – are little more than conjecture. When videotaping an incident they are involved in, people are generally going to later share only the parts that show them in the best possible light.

      • 0 avatar
        NMGOM

        Jimal – - –

        You said, “When videotaping an incident they are involved in, people are generally going to later share only the parts that show them in the best possible light.”

        That’s actually a very good point. Who knows what had been recorded both before and after this incident, or what had been their relationship before and after?

        As in, did she stop, go back, and offer help?

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  • avatar
    its me Dave

    Depending on the jurisdiction, both were probably breaking traffic laws. And by some measure, both were acting dickheadedly. But as far as defensive driving is concerned, only one driver resorted to a blatantly offensive maneuver.

  • avatar
    b72

    I wonder what was going on in that guy’s life that day.

    Was he a volunteer fireman who didn’t have his flashing light with him?
    Was he trying to get to the hospital in time to see a new kid come into the world?
    Was he trying to pick up his daughter who was in a situation she wasn’t comfortable with?

    IWhile it’s possible that he’s a dick that drives like that all the time, I find that hard to believe. He clearly wasn’t very good at it.

    • 0 avatar
      30-mile fetch

      If my kid were being delivered at the hospital and I was rushing to witness it, I wouldn’t take the time to slow down and flip off the driver I just passed. I think the possibility that “he’s a dick that drives like that all the time” is fairly likely

    • 0 avatar
      CarGal

      @b72

      If those possibilities were a factor, he would not have fled the scene of the crash.

      It’s extremely possible that he is a irresponsible driver and, due to wet conditions and a vehicle with no weight in the rear, lost control that day.

      • 0 avatar
        Elena

        I think you nailed it: no weight in the rear. I have a very poor opinion of anyone giving a finger (can’t think of a valid reason for it) so I won’t go into what I think he is. But you pointed to what most likely caused him to lose control (making this video so popular).

    • 0 avatar
      matador

      I once had to go very quickly to a hospital with my father a few years ago.

      I was cut off on a two-lane highway by an idiot, and proceeded to pass as quickly as I could.

      I didn’t use road rage tactics, or flip him off. I had much bigger things to worry about.

      The guy in the car was most likely just a dick. And got what was coming to him.

  • avatar
    jimmyy

    Generally, I find people that drive pickup trucks have mental issues … especially the trucks with the 4×4 taping on the side. The worst is the Ford Raptor … someone who buys one of those should be examined by a mental professional.

    Secondly, those big pickup trucks are the worst handling vehicles. They are dangerous.

    • 0 avatar
      matador

      Not all pickup drivers are that way. I own an F150, and use it for work. Try hauling 2000# of hay in the back of a sedan. It can’t be done.

      That truck doesn’t look lifted much, if at all. The 4×4 badging is standard from the factory in most cases.

      I owned an F250 for years- it was a great truck. It rode very high up, and handled like a dead whale.

      I wouldn’t call myself a dangerous driver, though.

      Put an idiot in any car, and they’ll screw up. My tip for safe driving: See a Pontiac- cover the brake. The Pontiac isn’t too blame, just the teenager at the wheel… or this guy.

    • 0 avatar
      NMGOM

      jimmyy – - –

      Please check my comment to “Beerboy12″ down below.

      ————

    • 0 avatar
      Elena

      Nothing to say about fluffy dice hanging from mirror? Some of us need trucks. Fluffy dice? I’m surprised nobody noticed yet. Or everybody but me loves them?

  • avatar
    ravenchris

    I just watched this video with my wife and we discussed various ways to avoid repeating these behaviors.

  • avatar
    Beerboy12

    The woman cannot be blamed for this crash. She was not driving well and filming at the same time added to her risk of crashing but she did not crash, the truck did. The truck driver clearly made the decided to overtake and maneuver his vehicle in a manner that was beyond it’s capabilities, subsequently loosing control and crossing the on coming lane.
    Again, and this is important, the woman, no matter how badly she drove, cannot be held responsible for the truck drivers choices. I don’t see that she drove that badly anyway, not worse than many other half asleep morons in the passing lane and on the phone, I encounter multiple times, daily.
    And one other thing, this is a fine example of how poorly those trucks handle.

    • 0 avatar
      NMGOM

      Beerboy12 – - –

      You said, “And one other thing, this is a fine example of how poorly those trucks handle.”

      For this case, you are spot on: nothing is more precarious than a high-riding, over-powered, empty pick-up truck, with stiff springs**, a 60/40 (F/R) weight distribution, all-season tires, and an automatic transmission, — being forced to turn rapidly by an unskilled driver on a just wetted or damp road.

      That combination of things is a recipe for disaster, in my experience. And that’s exactly what happened.

      On the other hand, you can’t generalize perfectly. If most of the above features were just the opposite, then you could have the situation where a Ford Raptor almost kept up with my BMW Z4 on an intensely curvy, hilly road without even seeming to have been “at the limit”.

      ** As with a Ford Super Duty; Ram 2500, etc..

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  • avatar
    Jimal

    I love how this video has been Zaprudered to death all over the internet the past few days, yet all we have to go on is this clip and the woman’s subsequent story. This wasn’t a dash cam, so something prompted this woman to take out her phone and start recording. Something also prompted the truck driver to drive aggressively toward the woman. How do we know the two parties don’t know each other somehow?

    The only conclusion I can come to based on the available evidence is that this was a day in Floride, and based on my personal experience in the Sunshine State, a typical day.

  • avatar
    beach cruiser

    Sooooo….. Jack,
    I see we have blown north of 300 comments on this posting. Is this a TTAC record of any type? I admire your ability to push the buttons that a lot of people didn’t know they had. Carry on.

  • avatar
    rudiger

    It’s a shame we don’t know the story from the two drivers of the vehicles in the right lane that they both passed. It might go a long way to explaining who was really at fault.

    Frankly, it looks like the woman passively-aggressively baited the pickup driver, who all-too-eagerly complied. My guess would be that she was originally in the right lane, then moved into the left lane to pass but did so in front of the rapidly approaching pickup, and that’s what precipitated the whole episode.

    The woman just seems to be enjoying herself way too much when the pickup crashed to be able to claim innocence. It’s worth noting that she has since mentioned that she noticed the pickup had been driving aggressively prior to the incident, so it seems she was aware of the pickup truck driver’s aggressive driving style and, perhaps, decided to teach him a lesson.

    • 0 avatar

      > Frankly, it looks like the woman passively-aggressively baited the pickup driver, who all-too-eagerly complied.

      Those claiming this should consider that aggression implies going out of one’s way to do something.

      At this point the only interesting question remaining is whether these folks believe rolling over at the suggestion of every pathetic leashed clown is the right course of action because that reflects their own habits, or just what everyone else should do when they’re the clown.

  • avatar
    MrBostn

    Something tells me the a-hole in the truck would have acted differently if the driver in front of him was tough looking guy.

  • avatar
    doublechili

    My take on the cast of characters:

    The drivers of the white trucks in the right lane seemed to be doing the right thing.

    Otherwise, not so much.

  • avatar
    fishiftstick

    In many jurisdictions, there is no law against hogging the left lane. There is also no law against farting in an elevator. Considerate people do neither.

  • avatar
    CapVandal

    The male/female thing just confuses things.

    You had two people that HAD TO BE RECOGNIZED AS RIGHT. And over something as trivial as a right of way issue. If it was over the history of Curly on the Three Stooges, then it could at least evolve into a bar room bet.

    People in my family have the gene to need to be right. I’ve learned to not care about being acknowledged as right, and save my limited influence on getting what I want in those cases when I care.

  • avatar
    sgeffe

    I’ve always believed that it’s not your job to enforce the speed limit unless you have a gun and badge, nail marks in your hands, or something else equivalent!

    In my stomping grounds of Northwest Ohio, left-lane banditry is an art form, to my obsessed-with-lane-courtesy dismay (along with a cult-like adherence to underposted numbers on signs)! Fortunately, with my 2013 Accord Touring’s Adaptive Cruise Control, I can let the CAR deal with some of the goings-on, so MY angst has cooled down significantly over the year I’ve had the car. (As the person behind me flies by after I move over, I think to myself “good luck, you’re not going to get that f&#% to move!” If I’m in the left lane doing my usual seven-over, I’ll do whatever it takes (within the bounds of sanity and safety) to be able to move over and let them by.

    And yes, the person behind you may NOT be a d-bag, but may be in a legitimate hurry. A pastor I know was holding up a line of people doing 35 in a posted 35 in an area which could be safely posted 40 or 45. A Toyota SUV was aggressively weaving over the double-yellow, in and out of the line, got on the pastor’s tail, lights flashing, horn blowing, and constant “you’re # 1″ salutes!! Finally the SUV got around her with one more pass, then went up onto two wheels and almost rolled as its driver screeched into the driveway of the *** hospice *** a mile up the road! That pastor is now driving with the traffic, and not with the signs!

    In short, yield the lane if an a$$ comes up, and let them by!! It’s THEIR ticket, not yours! If you can, get their plate number and let the folks who are PAID to enforce the speed limit do so; again, it’s THEIR job, not yours!

  • avatar
    Onus

    This person should of moved over. The guy was clearly going faster and lane discipline dictates if someone coming up fast behind you move over. Doesn’t matter speed limit or not.

    Plus this is a two lane roads. The left is only for passing. After your done you should quickly move back over into the right lane.

    I don’t know about that part of the country but here in the northeast going to speed limit automatically puts you in the right lane. People regularly go 10-20 over the speed limit.

  • avatar
    tankinbeans

    How do we know she wasn’t blocked by another llh and couldn’t speed up quickly enough to get past the truckers in the right lane? She could have been dealing with another dolt and may not have had anywhere to go.

    We don’t know exactly what happened since the camera was only pointed rearwards aside from the few shots of the speedometer.

  • avatar
    doublechili

    Can we all agree the guy in the pickup truck that crashed was an idiot?

    As for video woman, we can only try to climb inside her head and know whether she was playing with the guy or legitimately doing what she said she was doing. Ironically enough, yesterday I was driving on a 4 lane divided highway (2 lanes each way), and I went into the left lane to pass a few cars. A guy in an SUV was in the left lane ahead of me going about the same speed as the cars in the right. I patiently did everything all the defenders of video woman would have said I should do, including staying a considerate distance back. Actually, after a minute I did very quickly flash my lights to let him know I wanted to pass (not even close to tailgating). Otherwise I waited. And waited. And waited. We’re talking about maybe 3 cars in the right lane and no one else for at least a couple of hundred yards in front or behind. After several minutes (really – it just seemed like 20 minutes) the guy finally progressed far enough ahead so that I could safely (and considerately) pass on the right.

    And SUV guy accelerated. So I accelerated. So did he again. So I had to really punch it to get past him. I then settled back into the speed I wanted to travel, and so did he.

    That happens a lot. I’m not a hothead. I consider myself a considerate driver. But for all the defenders of video woman, just be aware that there are a LOT of nutjobs out there that seem to enjoy blocking traffic or have an ego problem about being passed or something. And I think that’s what many posters here are projecting onto video woman.

  • avatar
    Frylock350

    I take numerous 350 mile plus road trips and I drive daily drive a CCSB 1/2 ton pickup truck so this issue hits pretty close to home for me. BOTH drivers are unsafe idiots. The guy in the truck is the bigger idiot, but that does not excuse her behavior.

    First I’ll address the truck driver. First and foremost he should be aware that his truck does not handle like a car (though in those road conditions I’m sure he’d launch a Mazda6 across the road as easily as that F150) and drive as such. I always leave substantial following distances because I know my 5500lb truck does not stop like a compact.

    Initially I supported the truck drive… right up until he had his chance to pass the woman and chose not to do it. He had to slow down to shoot her the bird, then he HAD to try to cut her off within inches of her bumper to “show her” who’s boss. That’s inexcusable and he got exactly what he deserved. Its not personal, just pass the lady and get on with life. Even if she speeds up to prevent it, put your foot down and complete your pass. Your goal is to pass her, not punish her. You don’t like her driving? It no longer affect you once she’s in your rear view mirror. Following a slow car in the left lane putzing only marginally faster than cars in the right lane is one of the most frustrating things I encounter on the road. However this is NOT the correct way to handle it. Pass the roadblock and be done with it.

    Secondly the woman recording the incident. Defensive safe driving isn’t about following the rules of the road to a T and demanding others do the same, its about accepting that they don’t and protecting your safety which includes being passive towards aggressive drivers. A safe courteous driver has two choices in this situation: they can either speed up to complete their pass sooner or they can slow down and let the guy pass. Either way diffuses the situation and makes the road safer for you. She chose the route of escalating the situation. If she had a turn coming up, then use your turn signal to let him know you will soon turn left and be out of his way. If its too early for a signal then there’s plenty of time to change lanes and let him pass. Also if this lady thinks its too unsafe to speed up, then its definitely too unsafe record a freakin video while driving.

    All of this would be easily remedied by a little understanding of lane discipline and a little common courtesy. As far as speed goes, I’m often on both sides of the fence. When I’m taking short highway trips around town (50 miles or less) I tend to do 60-65mph; the extra two minutes I might arrive somewhere isn’t worth the extra gas and ticket risk. When I’m on a road trip I push it as fast I can can get away with, because that 2 minutes of early arrival has turned into an hour. Regardless of how fast I’m going I stay to the right (or center lane if there’s more than two) as much as is possible. When I’m in the left lane passing and there’s traffic coming up behind me I always go at 6-8mph faster than the traffic I’m passing, even if it means I’m going faster than my cruise speed. Why? Even if I’m in the “right” to putz at 1-2mph faster than said traffic, I’m an asshole for holding everyone else up for my self-righteousness, so I don’t do it. I also put my right turn signal on before I finish my pass to indicate to the cars behind me that I have no intentions of staying in the left lane once I’ve passed. Never gotten flipped off driving like this. Most people, even hotheads, don’t get pissed at you when you let them know you aren’t a self-righteous asshat or oblivious. Let ‘em know you’ll be out of their hair momentarily and you’re trying to pass the cars to your right quickly; they’ll take it in stride. If the shoe’s on the other foot and I’m following the putz, usually a horn beep or flash of the high-beams does the trick. If it doesn’t then oh well; its not worth an accident. Just bide your time and wait for an opening to pass. Once you have the chance pass quickly and decisively.

    As for why someone would want to daily drive a truck? There’s plenty of reasons. Mine are because I’m a DIY homeowner and like to haul supplies (wood, dirt, rock, drywall, etc), I tow occasionally, I hate shoveling snow to get out of my driveway, etc. However the most important reason is that I like the damn thing. It’s comfortable, roomy (road trips by yourself are no fun), soft/smooth riding and eats up the highway miles better than any full-size sedan whether it wears a luxury or plebian badge. Drive what you like, just make sure you know how to drive it safely.

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      NMGOM

      Frylock350 (@ March 31st, 2014 at 11:48 am) – - –

      Wow. You should get a Nobel Prize for good judgment and driver education! (^_^).

      That has exactly been my strategy all these years (I’m 71). It’s amazing how simply putting your directional signal on can take the pressure off those behind you wishing to pass, – - – if you follow through.

      OFF TOPIC:
      I agree re pickup trucks. I have two. They – - –
      Absorb bumps and dips superbly.
      Ride well with good comfort.
      Offer great road visibility.
      Have rugged BOF construction.
      Show high collision survivability.
      Eliminate snow traction as an issue.
      Give us Hauling/Towing ease.

      Fuel mileage? Well, not so bad: 19 on the highway, but considering the benefits, – - who cares?

      Even though one is a “old” 1996 Dodge Ram 1500 MT, its not surprising that the Ford F-150 has been America’s best selling vehicle (of any type) for the past 32 years. These things are the big family sedan of the 1960′s that every one always wanted……and much more! And you are absolutely right: these vehicle consume miles effortlessly, and you arrive 5 to 8 hours laster rested, not worked.

      I have grown tired of puny, over-engineered, over-priced, foreign cars that simply end up crashing through potholes and expansion joints on our roads, — and cost 1/2 of my 401(k) to get repaired!

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  • avatar
    slance66

    Two idiots, both doing the wrong thing. He was driving like an ass given the conditions. She responded stupidly by not moving over and choosing to video tape him. If it was too dangerous to safely go faster and move over, it was sure as hell too dangerous to shoot a video while driving.

    I’ve been on both sides of this…all of us have I imagine. When in front the best move is always to get the person you perceive as dangerous away from you…move over. Pull over if you have to. When in back, all you can do is make your intent known and then calm yourself and be patient. There are a lot of drivers who never check their mirrors, so if you don’t do a brief tailgate, they may not know you want to pass, but you need to back-off to a safe distance. It pisses me off, but it’s better to arrive safely and late than not at all.

  • avatar
    Frylock350

    At first I was only able to view pictures and read articles regarding this incident. After viewing her full length video followed by viewing interviews she’s given with the media, its become obvious to me that she’s the antagonist and bears more blame than he does. For the first 60 seconds of video we can see she’s clearly pacing the semi in the right lane. There’s no visible traffic behind the Ford or in the left lane so its safe to assume light traffic. Later we can see the open road in front of her and confirm this. She speeds up as evidenced by her passing the semi at a decent clip. She then shows her speedometer at 58mph from which we can infer that she was travelling less than that speed in the prior 60 seconds. Once she clears the semi the Ford goes to pass her on the right and nearly clears her vehicle when she speeds up to prevent him from doing so. She provided the evidence that she sped up as opposed to the Ford braking in an interview where she made the claim that she sped up specifically because there was a speed limit increase. That’s bovine feces, she sped up to prevent him from passing. That triggered his irrational response of shooting the bird and trying to cut her off as close as possible. Then after the accident she isn’t concerned that he could be injured or worse, she gloats and laughs like a supervillain. I’ve seen this time and time again, vigilante types who think it’s their job to enforce the rules of the road. She has an ax to grind and deliberately antagonized the Ford to get exactly the reaction she wanted. That’s why she recorded the incident and why she laughed about the result. Additionally in Illinois she’d be in violation of a law specifically prohibiting all mobile device usage while driving. None of that excuses the Ford’s reactions but there is no victim here, only two law breakers. There’s a guy guilty of tailgating and losing control of his vehicle and a woman guilty of obstructing the flow of traffic, failing to yield the left lane, and driving distracted. They’re both idiots but she’s more at fault. Of she had simply let him pass and not sped up to stop him the accident would not have happened.

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      > She speeds up as evidenced by her passing the semi at a decent clip.

      The trucks on the right slowed down for the curve whereas the camera vehicle more or less maintained pace which is why she “passed” them.

      > Once she clears the semi the Ford goes to pass her on the right and nearly clears her vehicle when she speeds up to prevent him from doing so.

      She must be in some kind of supped up SUV to speed up that fast instead of Trucker braking quite suddenly. The shot was right out the side so speed is easily visible.

      This whole thread unequivocally proves most readers can’t even figure out a simple video much less the more complex topics that arise in automotive.

      • 0 avatar
        Frylock350

        @u mad scientist
        >She must be in some kind of supped up SUV to speed up that fast instead of Trucker braking quite suddenly. The shot was right out the side so speed is easily visible.

        Her SUV clearly is capable of that speed increase. Also, I don’t need to figure the video out. SHE ADMITS she sped up, though she claims it was to meet the new speed limit. You figure out her intentions.

        Of course you don’t need to take my word for it, just watch this interview she gave:
        http://fox13now.com/2014/03/28/video-driver-who-filmed-redneck-road-rage-talks-about-the-crash/

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          > Her SUV clearly is capable of that speed increase.

          Not at 60mph with Trucker on the throttle to pass. They’re not even close to 60 in most of the side shot, indicating both slowed down: trucker to “teach her a lesson”, and SUV to “catch it in the act”.

          > Also, I don’t need to figure the video out. SHE ADMITS she sped up, though she claims it was to meet the new speed limit. You figure out her intentions.

          Again, there’s actual physical footage of what happened, but to be fair many people have trouble understanding what physical reality means.

          Note the variations in scenery speed as Trucker speeds up and down, and she follows with the camera. The news cut in a quote referring to something else which is why it’s not contiguous with the rest of the interview; they’re about on on par with the readers here.

    • 0 avatar
      NMGOM

      Frylock350 @ March 31st, 2014 at 6:13 pm – - –

      Very well balanced and thoughtful analysis, and it also brings in more information from the interviews.
      It also conforms to the “scene-by-scene” MINOR and MAJOR bad-behavior assignments in my diagnosis above (March 29th, 2014 at 1:59 pm):
      http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2014/03/instant-somethings-gonna-get-ya/#comment-3023353

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      • 0 avatar

        > It also conforms to the “scene-by-scene” MINOR and MAJOR bad-behavior assignments in my diagnosis above

        Quite odd it doesn’t bother someone who pretends to technical understanding when it’s pointed out these regularly wrong “analysis” don’t conform to objective reality such as low speed during 1:20-1:26 just before Trucker took off.

        Perhaps they’re written with the hopes of fooling the even less competent with the promise of gold stars and “Nobels”.

  • avatar
    JimC2

    Florida has plenty of idiots like both of these people. Plenty of idiots like her, bumbling along in the left lane because they are “going to make a left turn [sometime 2-5 miles ahead]” and plenty of idiots like him (hard to tell if roid rage or inbreeding is to blame).

    I’m most surprised that, given each’s exemplary driving skills, neither one of them had absentmindedly left their high beams on in traffic or tried to drive in the bicycle lane.

  • avatar
    NMGOM

    From: http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2014/03/driver-explains-how-road-rage-led-to-instant-karma-video/

    ‘The Florida woman whose video of a road rage driver flipping her the bird, cutting her off and then crashing seconds later said today that she had no idea what was going to happen when she began shooting the video on her iPhone.
    The woman, who would not give her name, told ABC News affiliate WFTS she was taken by surprise when a man in a truck began tailgating her on a local highway in Tampa.
    The video shows the man trying to pass her and flipping his middle finger at her. He then cuts in front of her, loses control of his truck and spins into the shoulder, hitting a lamppost.
    The incident was dubbed “instant karma” on YouTube, where it gained more than 4 million views.
    The woman can be heard laughing in the video and saying, “That’s what you get, all on video buddy!”
    “He just started tailgating me and I’m looking in my mirrors and I’m like dude, what is going on. I didn’t even realize he shot a bird at me until after the video because I was focused on the road,” the woman told WFTS.
    Contacted by ABC News, the woman declined to be interviewed.
    “I just pulled out the phone, driving with one hand, focusing on the road and my mirrors and everything, and held up my phone,” she said.
    Jeffrey White, 33, of Tampa was arrested and charged with reckless driving and leaving the scene of a crash.
    The woman told WFTS that White left the scene of the accident before police arrived, but she snapped a photo of his license plates and provided it to authorities.’

    1) “The woman, who would not give her name,……”
    2) “Contacted by ABC News, the woman declined to be interviewed.”
    3) Her YouTube Interview video now seems not to download any longer…
    (http://fox13now.com/2014/03/28/video-driver-who-filmed-redneck-road-rage-talks-about-the-crash/)

    Just sayin’……

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