By on February 20, 2014

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So, where were we? Ah, yes. I was soliciting the opinion of the B&B on my next car. Sharper-eyed connoisseurs of the family-sedan segment will note that my son and I are standing in front of something that, strictly speaking, was not any of the listed choices.

What happened?

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Yesterday was the forty-third day since I totaled the not-quite-invincible Town Car in an accident that fractured nine of my favorite bones and gave my front-seat passenger a chance to purchase a $17,800 helicopter ride to a hospital in downtown Columbus. I’d like to spin some sort of tale about taking time to spiritually heal and/or learning to face the world of driving again, but the fact is that my insurance company didn’t pay off my loan on the TC until this past Monday. At least they gave me a fair price for it and sent the check via FedEx once they managed to process the thing.

In the month since I’d asked our readers to help me make a choice, I’d given the matter an almost irrationally large amount of consideration before coming down firmly on the side of the Accord Sport with six-speed manual transmission. A quick re-read of the post two weeks ago changed my mind when I saw the experience “carrya1911″ had with his Accord Sport. It all sounded good, except for the comments about the stereo. That sent me to a variety of Honda owner forums, where I saw that the stereo from the EX was superior. For a relatively low bump in price, the EX had a sunroof and keyless entry to boot. Sure, the wheels would be smaller, but that was something about which I genuinely did not care.

That shifted my focus to an Accord EX six-speed sedan, retailing for $25,670 after destination fee. Allow me to take a moment to bitch about the “destination fee”. The Honda Accord is built fewer than thirty miles from my freaking house. If I paid to have an Accord towed from the end of the production line to my front door, it would cost about a hundred bucks. Nothing I can do about it, however.

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A quick check of AutoTrader showed a few Accord EX stick-shifts in my preferred non-color, “Modern Steel”, within fifty miles. Did I mention that Honda, in its near-infinite corporate arrogance, doesn’t offer manual-transmission sedans in actual colors like blue, red, brown, green, yellow — or, indeed, anything but black and “steel”? I mean, why would they do something like that? There’s no chance that the kind of person who would drive a STICK-SHIFT SEDAN in the YEAR 2014 would be the kind of free spirit who would want any kind of ACTUAL COLOR. Oh, no. Clearly the only reason Honda sells manual-transmission vehicles to anyone is because they are slightly cheaper, right?

Well, if I didn’t like it, I could buy a Fusion. Except. I’d have to order a manual Fusion and wait eight weeks. My insurance company was willing to make an additional payment to me of nearly $1300 to cover my sales tax on the new vehicle, as long as I did it within thirty-three days. This seemed a little uncharitable, giving me less time to buy a new car than it took them to print a check, but they make the rules. So were I to buy a Fusion six-speed, which already costs more than an Accord EX when equipped the same way, I’d also take a haircut on my insurance benefits. Back to AutoTrader to check out the Hondas, then.

It was about that time that the devil on my shoulder started to complain about the Accord EX sedan. “It doesn’t have heated seats,” the devil said.

“I don’t care about heated seats,” I responded.

“It’s not about you. And what about the fact that the stereo still isn’t great?” (Warning: Link NSFW for language)

“If I wanted a great stereo in an Accord, I would buy a TSX.”

“Except you can’t get a great stereo in a stick-shift TSX. But you can get a decent one in the Accord EX-L.”

“Which doesn’t come with a stick.”

“Yes it does, if you buy the V6 Coupe.”

“Too expensive, and plus the car seat won’t fit.”

“Why don’t you sell a guitar or two to cover the difference and then check to see if the car seat will fit? Plus, you get the V-6, which runs a flat 14.0, just like your Boxster S when you candy-ass the launch.”

“Ah, um, it would be irresponsible of me to have four two-door cars.”

“Says who?”

“Says, um… people.”

JUST LOOK AT THE EX-L V6 YOU COWARD! RUN!

“When you yell at me, devil, you sound like Sinistar.”

After a week of thinking about the issue, I was convinced that I deserved the full-boat Accord coupe, retailing for $31,450. I sold my Chinery Blue Heritage Super Eagle guitar to cover most of the price difference. A quick drive-by check of the local dealer showed that there was more than enough room for my child seat of choice, the Britax Pinnacle 90. Now all I had to do was wait for the money.

When it arrived, I contacted two local dealers, both of which had an EX-L V6 in stock. My first call was to Roush Honda, which is one of two employee-owned Honda dealers in the United States. The Internet sales manager, Patrick Hannahs, made me an aggressive offer on their Crystal Black coupe. It was, frankly, a staggering deal and I was tempted to just drive over and pick it up. I also liked the speed and professionalism Patrick put into the negotiation process; as a former car salesman and someone who’s bought about twenty new cars, I’ve seen it done wrong more often than I’ve seen it done right.

The problem was the color. Crystal Black is a known scratch magnet, and this Accord wouldn’t be joining my pampered Porsches in the garage; it would be an everyday car for me and my son. I wanted Modern Steel. Roush was willing to order me one, but the same problem that kept me from the Fusion also applied here. Time to look elsewhere.

“Elsewhere” turned out to be Honda Marysville, a few miles away from the Marysville Assembly Plant where the Accord is built and where I once did contract labor as a senior sysadmin before leaving the company in disgust and holding a giant party called “Huck Fonda” in a tip of the hat to the often moronic decisions made by the information-technology management. Frankly, it was difficult for me to even consider buying a new Honda based on how much contempt I have for a few of the higher-ups there, but I reassured myself that the balance of payments between Honda America Manufacturing (HAM) and myself had been firmly on my side since the middle of 2006 or so.

I made the deal on the phone and drove out with my check to sign the papers. My salesperson, Jeff Hawk, was a brilliant, funny guy with a technical background in the auto business and he pushed my companion’s wheelchair around while I told a bunch of stupid stories about export-model Accords and whatnot. I experienced no surprises, no upselling, no pressure, and no drama at Honda Marysville. I’d recommend them with the same fervor that I would recommend Roush.

Last night I brought the Accord home, loaded the Britax into the center rear seat, and went to pick up my son from school. “Find my new car,” I told him, but in a school parking lot completely full of SUVs he knew which one would be mine. Then we drove home and he agreed to pose for a few photos, on the condition that a) he be allowed to show off his Nerf Rapidstrike CS-18 in the photos, and b) he be allowed to make a “T-Rex face” where the Rapidstrike was not close to hand. So here he is in the Britax Pinnacle 90, showing how easily it fits in the back of the Coupe:

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Yes, the scratch under his eye is because he got into a fight at school a few hours earlier. I don’t know where he gets his contentious demeanor.

Let’s review John’s list of requirements, and mine, together and see how closely I conformed to my original mission statement:

John:

  • The car be a Porsche — no, sadly. But it will be on the road when the last Panamera is junked.
  • And also a race car — no, again, although if any Honda is “race-y” this is it
  • And faster than police cars — The Accord Coupe beats all the police-spec cars tested by the Michigan State Police in the annual evaluations, so YES
  • And that it play loud music — The stereo is surprisingly good, so YES

Jack:

  • Four doors — NO, oops.
  • Brand-new — YES
  • As reliable as possible — I’d say so.
  • Above-Town-Car fuel mileage (defined as >23mpg in mixed use) — Yes
  • Manual transmission if possible — Yes
  • Not a penny above $30,000 — My price was $28,117 against invoice of $28,800 and MSRP of $31,450. With my insurance sales tax kickback, my total cost was $29,189. So YES.

I’d say most of the goals were met. Thanks to the B&B for setting me on the right path here — you voted “Accord” most often in the comments. My little grey coupe might not be an Audi S5 or a Mercedes CL55 or a used Ferrari, but right now, I think it’s exactly what these two dudes need.

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310 Comments on “What Do You Call Two Dudes In An Accord Coupe?...”


  • avatar

    I’m not a fan of the Accord’s interior, but I do like the exterior. The only Honda I’ve ever liked. Too bad they don’t take cues from Hyundai and improve their interiors so they don’t look pieced together.

    I also like the fact you can actually get a V6 and a manual in this car if you want it. The Honda Accord Coupe and Dodge Challenger V6 stand in a league of their own.

    • 0 avatar
      calgarytek

      “The Honda Accord Coupe and Dodge Challenger V6 stand in a league of their own.”

      No they don’t. The Challenger V6 does look better, but it will not be as durable as the Accord and the market will tear it up with resale values.

      I’m not a fan of the exterior styling. The 2008 to 2010 Accord Coupe had THE BEST exterior styling of any Accord Coupe (save for the Prelude). They screwed it up for 2011 by adding creases and wrinkles where none should exist. It had a crap interior, but, I could live with it.

      Just have Honda build the Dodge Challenger with their ‘processes’ and I’ll buy it, trust me. It’s got front double wishbones, err, short-long arms in American-speak which is COOL!

      • 0 avatar

        Forgive me, but I think the Dodge Challenger is ugly in a stupid way, a very bad rendition of retro gangster, while the Accord coupe is one of the few nice-looking cars made currently.

        Congrats Jack, on what sounds to me like an excellent purpose. Your son could learn to drive on it, and heck, it will probably get him through graduate school should he choose to go. Enjoy the hell out of it, and you and your companion continue to heal.

        • 0 avatar
          Kyree S. Williams

          I do think this Accord vs Challenger argument is funny, because I have an acquaintance who refused to buy an Accord, just because of some stupid rap song, which has the lyrics “lookin’ like a p**sy in your Honda Accord” within it. He got a Challenger SXT instead.

          Ridiculous…

      • 0 avatar

        Actually if the listings on ebay are right the resale on a manual challenger seems much better than the accord coupe manual.

      • 0 avatar
        jrasero23

        Just traded in my 2010 Coupe EX-L V6 and I agree this was the best looking Honda since the prelude. Had a great silhouette and great Bentley esque taillights, but the 2011 8.5 Gen had a better grill.

        Styling is subjective and if you like classic big American muscle cars the Challenger is right up your alley. Both will age well but in different ways, but in no way will someone look back 20 years from now and call the Coupe classic looking. Also haven driven both the Coupe is a better everyday car but the Challenger is just a more rewarding car in terms of sound and feel, while the Coupe has decent power but sounds more refined.

        You are right Honda does keep its resale value.

        In the end the article kind of puts the Accord on pedestal with almost too much praise because to me it a nice sporty looking car but at $32k fully loaded it has too little sports feel.

    • 0 avatar
      NormSV650

      Well the title sounds ghey considering proxcimity to the short north.

      Get used to passing your clone in traffic around Honda City, Collumbus.

    • 0 avatar
      sportyaccordy

      Can you go one post without mentioning a Chrysler product? Lol. There are quite a few 4 seat 6 cylinder stickshift cars in this price range (Mustang, Camaro, Genesis to name a few). All of which are better than the Challenger

      • 0 avatar

        Sportyaccordy

        But which one seats a family of 5?

        THAT’S WHY.

        • 0 avatar
          Kyree S. Williams

          If you need to transport a family of five, you really shouldn’t be looking at a coupe, even if it’s a large one like the Challenger is. So that’s kind of a moot point. The Challenger has its place, but the styling isn’t for everyone, and it is overpriced enough that owners will be slaughtered on resale values (especially as you move into R/T versions with the V8 engine).

          • 0 avatar
            DevilsRotary86

            “If you need to transport a family of five, you really shouldn’t be looking at a coupe, even if it’s a large one like the Challenger is.”

            Grandpa, Grandma, 15 year old me, 15 year old cousin, and 13 year old cousin in an ’87 Ford Thunderbird disagree with that statement. We were quite comfortable actually. I also don’t like the Challenger, EXCEPT that I am glad that someone in the automotive world makes a coupe wide enough to be a 5-seater. In my eyes that is the Challenger’s only redeeming feature. For better or worse my family is only 3, but if that were to change I would have no problem considering a Challenger as a 2-door family car. Way bigger than I would like, but better than a *gasp!* sedan!

            In my eyes, yes a sedan is a dirty 4-letter word. Sdan I guess.

        • 0 avatar
          redav

          Haha, making up ridiculous requirements just so you can get the answer you wanted to get is funny.

          • 0 avatar
            readallover

            If you think that`s funny, check out the two yuppies `interviewing` the Lincoln MKZ vs. the Lexus ES350. Truly awful 1980`s style ad. Ford should be embarrassed by it.

            http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2013/10/09/ford-lincoln-mkz-lexus-es-350/2953613/

          • 0 avatar
            CoreyDL

            I don’t get how these companies think using hashtags are going to get people talking about their cars.

            People go online to research cars, yes. They do not go on Twitter to research cars. Nor do they check out a cars.com review of the MKZ, and head over to Twitter to go oh man #luxuryuncovered.

            It just makes no sense. Auto research online is not tied to hashtags. Purchasing cars is not tied to hashtags.

            Ugh.

        • 0 avatar
          sportyaccordy

          The Accord seats 5 and has a roomier cabin, while being 3-6″ smaller in all exterior dimensions as well as a better performer than the V6 SXT.

          Of all the $30Kish coupes on the market the Challenger has the least going for it, unless you are a mindless Chrysler fan.

          Also lol @ moving the goalposts at the last second.

        • 0 avatar
          VoGo

          A family of 5, but only if 3 of them have no legs

      • 0 avatar
        matador

        I don’t see how the Lincoln ad makes me want to buy their car. Who cares if the gas mileage equals the starting price!? What a dumb idea!

    • 0 avatar
      catachanninja

      Lol at comparing the v6 challenger to the accord. The challenger may look good but that thing is a turd. My four door Altima is significantly faster and Nissan at least offers a manual. And say what you want about CVTs thier still more reliable than the junk trannys Chrysler makes.

      • 0 avatar
        Kyree S. Williams

        I believe the SRT8 Challenger offers a manual transmission. It might even come with one standard. But I’ve never seen one on an SXT or R/T.

      • 0 avatar
        nrd515

        The 5 speed auto that is currently in V8 Chargers, 300s, and Challengers is a rock solid unit, I don’t know anyone who has had trouble with one, with the exception of a friend who bought a used 300 SRT and had the trans fail while driving it back to Toledo from Chicago, where he bought it. Who knows what the original owner did to it? It was replaced, under warranty, and it went 25,000 trouble free miles until it was stolen and chopped up. It was replaced by a 2010 Challenger SRT that my friend bought used with a messed up engine (He wanted it that way, as he was planning a transplant) super cheap. It now has a 800 RWHP 440 inch stroker in it with the original, but modified, 5 speed auto. It’s the only original part of the drivetrain remaining in the car.

    • 0 avatar
      Compaq Deskpro

      My favorite Honda would have to be the 89-93 Integra.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_Integra#DA5-DA9.2C_DB1-DB2

  • avatar
    CoreyDL

    Front door’s open! Yer lettin’ all the heat out!

    -My mom

  • avatar
    Car Ramrod

    Good choice avoiding Crystal Black. You’ve saved yourself hours of quality buffing and polishing time.

    • 0 avatar
      Giltibo

      Actually, the Nicest color for an Accord Coupe is San Marino Red! My ’08 5MT just turned 6 years old and I still find her as pretty as she was when I first saw her. (Huge Smile)

    • 0 avatar
      sgeffe

      I couldn’t do a black car if someone gave it to me — with my OCD, I’d end up in the funny farm in short order!

      The Modern Steel Metallic is a great color to hide dirt and salt — unless it builds up for a few weeks between washes!

    • 0 avatar
      jrasero23

      I love the still night pearl but it seems Honda is only offering it in the EX-L now with no V6 option. Are the new Honda paints all tri-coats? If so that sucks, just got a new car with tri-coat paint and while it looks brilliant it’s terrible to fix and match.

  • avatar
    Landcrusher

    Now we need to have Clarkson come by and insult your choice. Then, the purchase experience will be complete.

  • avatar
    Detroit-X

    ” Honda, in its near-infinite corporate arrogance, ”

    Bravo. Sir, you do know Honda.

  • avatar
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater

    BTW, if you get some bitches I think that cane would be tax deductible as a business expense, at least according to ACORN..

    ;)

  • avatar
    carrya1911

    Glad I could be of some limited service in the process. I’d really have liked the V6 mated with the manual in my sedan, and frankly I think that combo would be the bee’s knees in the market…but Honda doesn’t budge on that kind of stuff.

    The final price isn’t bad…it’s within a couple of hundred of what I managed to negotiate on the V6 coupe I looked at…although my dealer was a bit more of a pain in the neck than yours. Largely because I had a trade-in and they seemed to think I was stupid enough to let it go for 50% of what they were going to sell it for.

    • 0 avatar
      sgeffe

      Don’t know what it is with companies like Mazda, who will offer a manual in damn near any trim or color.

      Do they allow orders? Does a dealer make you promise your firstborn if you renege on an order?! One wonders!!!

    • 0 avatar
      jrasero23

      Yeah the manual with a V6 is preferred but for my previous car I couldn’t find one so I settled for the auto. We should be happy Honda even offers a manual in this car because Honda sells a small fraction of the Coupes compared to the Sedans. When you factor in how many Coupes with manuals Honda sells the number is probably scary low. Point being most people, 98% of people don’t know how or want to drive a manual. Kind of sad but I am glad Honda has kept the Coupe as their faux enthusiast car with manual transmission and HFP kits.

  • avatar
    jco

    there’s something about the look of this model Accord coupe that Honda just got ‘right’. but I like the sedan too, especially in white.

    this car will last plenty long enough to be the first car for the current car-seat occupant..

  • avatar
    grzydj

    Dudes don’t walk with canes, only gents do. Also, you need to replace those sunglasses with a proper monocle.

    Glad to see you’re making progress on being fully mobile again.

  • avatar

    I like the color and the wheels. It’s an unexpected choice, but it’s an inspired one.

  • avatar
    Frank Galvin

    1) Congratulations on the coupe. Looking forward to your review. 2) The cane, while medically necessary, adds the perfect to touch to picture. Captain Jack showing the swagger. The cane is your custom touch right?

  • avatar
    Dan

    How did $28,1 turn into $29,2 even with the sales tax covered?

  • avatar
    thornmark

    I have Michelin IceX3′s on narrower wheels for the winter. Blizzaks seemed to do slightly better on snow but made the car handle like a Buick, blue-hair class. The IceX3′s should last a lot longer w/ no mileage penalty and far less noise. Both TireRack and CR rated the IceX3′s as the best they tested I do believe. Clients tell me Nokians are even better.

    Given your recent event and youngster I suspect snow tires would be in the offing if you plan to drive in snow and ice – narrower dedicated wheels are important there, but I’m sure you know that.

    You have to watch curbs with those wheels, I’ve tried to get paint for chips- it’s not available according to Honda. I guess someone will eventually fill that need.

    • 0 avatar
      NormSV650

      “…handle like a Buick…”? The Verano 2.0T matches the Accord Coupe in figure-eight test and will whomp on the nose heavy V6 in similar tests.

      http://m.motortrend.com/roadtests/oneyear/sedans/1309_2013_buick_verano_turbo_arrival/

      http://m.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1302_2013_honda_accord_ex_coupe_first_test/

      • 0 avatar
        thornmark

        LOL. I have seen blue-haired ladies driving Veranos.

        It must be absolutely killing you that one TTAC editor proclaims the Accord hybrid as his favorite 2013 car and another one buys the coupe.

        Hey, somebody has to buy Veranos.

        • 0 avatar
          28-Cars-Later

          I toyed with the idea rather recently as I do like the Verano, but the math came out something like this:

          Lease with GM card credit and GM supplier for base Verano: $198/no money down/with tax

          198*24=4752

          Ah but new insurance costs I estimate as at least $800 per year, so $1600 + $4752 = $6353 for 20K max of driving. In two years I won’t spend $3K on the cars I already have in maint, so I passed.

          • 0 avatar
            thornmark

            He”stole” his magic car:

            NormT • 5 months ago
            I have a 2013 Turbo 6-speed manual that I picked up used for about $8,000US off MSRP. Impressive ride and quality for this price.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            I’m surprise it wasn’t comped so they could study how *he* gets such good mileage out of it.

          • 0 avatar
            NormSV650

            Jack could have gambled and picked up a used manual trans Accord. But who would want a riced out Honda with a well clutch material? Better off getting new in that case.

            For the $8000.00 savings in buying used Verano 2.0T, I could gamble as Granny would be light on the clutch.

          • 0 avatar
            MBella

            “I could gamble as Granny would be light on the clutch.”

            Yes, I’m sure 98% of turbo 6-speed manual Veranos are driven by old ladies to church on Sunday.

        • 0 avatar
          NormSV650

          The TTAC staff loves the Verano 2.0T:

          http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2012/06/my-candidate-for-murilees-ultimate-sleeper-buick-verano-turbo/

      • 0 avatar
        DC Bruce

        What happened to the 40 mpg Saab?

        • 0 avatar
          CoreyDL

          It’s still in his collection, and because it’s from the 90s it has better technology than todays cars. It also gets better mileage because of same.

        • 0 avatar
          Pch101

          It’s currently at Area 51. The Department of Defense and EPA seized it as part of a joint operation to learn the secrets of Norm’s magic car. Officials at the NSA believe that uncovering those mysteries could virtually eliminate the US’s need for oil.

      • 0 avatar

        Oh my god shut up about your Verano already

    • 0 avatar
      JKC

      I have X-Ice 3′s on my Escape. They are phenomenal, especially when braking on snow and ice. I’ve had the ABS engage once all winter.

      Jack, when you go to buy winter tires for the Accord, look long and hard at these. You will not be unhappy with the purchase.

  • avatar
    carrya1911

    First song that played from my iPhone as I drove my Accord off the lot:

    Crockett’s Theme by Jan Hammer.

  • avatar
    DeadWeight

    Great choice

    Cute son with his priorities of better discretion than most high schoolers

    Honda V6 AND A MANUAL? Win & Winning!

    “Save the Manuals, LLC” a not for profit entity, thanks you & your family for this awesome purchase. Go forth in your gear of choice, in instantaneous time, based on your subjective preference, and god speed.

  • avatar
    28-Cars-Later

    Congrats, Jack. You must be near 100% of you’re seriously car shopping.

  • avatar
    NN

    how badly do you have to contort your mangled bones in order to secure your boy in that back seat? I guess he’s probably old enough to do it on his own. Mine are still too young…and I got rid of my old 2-door because putting kids in the back was a PITA.

    other than that, great choice. The 6 is everyone’s darling mid-size right now, but the Accord will likely prove over time to be the better car.

    • 0 avatar
      carrya1911

      Honda’s engineers appear to have actually put work into the 2 door coupe, as it’s not nearly as inconvenient or problematic as most 2 doors on the market. Getting small kids in and out of the back of the car isn’t really much of a difficulty, IMO. It was my need to transport the elderly on occasion that soured me on the coupe incarnation of the Accord.

      • 0 avatar
        Jack Baruth

        The worst part of it is the clone putting his snow-covered boots all over those black leather seats as he climbs in :)

        • 0 avatar
          sgeffe

          Modern Steel Metallic FTW! (See my avatar!)

          Also, there is a Honda accessory rear-seat cover available for the Sedan. They may have something similar for the Coupe as well. College Hills in Wooster has a universal rear-seat cover here: http://www.collegehillshonda.com/product/3146-09.html. (I have a universal front cover for my driver’s seat that I throw on it when it’s raining or snowing.) Only thing that it doesn’t say is whether there are holes in the thing for the LATCH/ISOFIX tethers for John’s seat.

        • 0 avatar
          jrasero23

          soon enough the kid will be 16, great 1st car for him

  • avatar
    kvndoom

    Jack, in 2 years, I’ll be driving the exact same car. I miss my 2011 so much that I don’t think I could ever settle for anything else. Every car I see that I think “thats a really nice ride,” the back of my mind says, “yeah but it’s not an Accord Coupe.” It was absolutely my favorite car of all time. My budget won’t let me buy new, but I’m hoping to snag a 2014 for a good price once I hand down the Kia.

    Can wait for your full, “living with it” review! Congrats!

  • avatar
    Vega

    “sent the check via FedEx ”

    The US money transaction system is so ridiculously backwards…

    If you feel it is necessary to send a physical peace of paper to facilitate what is ultimately an electronic transaction, why not go the whole way and use a mounted messenger on horseback?

    • 0 avatar
      brettc

      The US is definitely backwards financially. I moved to the US in 2000 and didn’t know what to think (and still don’t) when I see people whip out a “check book” to pay for groceries or whatever else. Even in 2000, Canada had been using Interac for several years so that’s why it was so weird to me. And then there is the lack of chip cards which makes very little sense in such a large economy like the US. Although the whole Target breach might finally push the US banking/credit card industry to embrace chip cards.

      Also, nice choice on the car, Jack. Too bad you couldn’t get an actual colour with a manual and a 4 door. I LOL’d when I read about the Huck Fonda party.

      • 0 avatar
        bills79jeep

        “And then there is the lack of chip cards which makes very little sense in such a large economy like the US. Although the whole Target breach might finally push the US banking/credit card industry to embrace chip cards.”

        EMV is coming to the US in 2015. VISA/MC are pushing it via a hard date liability swap. The reason it didn’t come sooner is because the US is so big. Every point of sale terminal will have to be moved to EMV compliant devices. The number of card readers in the US positively dwarfs the number in Canada. As for Target, I’m not so sure EMV would have stopped the data breach.

        Oh, and nice car Jack. I’ll look out for you on 270

        • 0 avatar
          sgeffe

          I hope this “EMV” isn’t an RFID chip! Heaven knows, every ne’er-do-well on the planet will now be able to walk through a crowd with a reader and harvest CC numbers easier than before! (And nothing is ever secure — it’s only a matter of time before some hacker cracks all but the most rigid of encryption schemes!)

          I realize SOME cards have those sorts of chips, but now we’re talking ALL of them! It’s only gonna get worse!

          And “Baruth On The Outerbelt!” (Columbus, OH native’s name for the I-270 beltway around the city.) Sounds like a good name for a TV show! I leave it to the rest of the B&B to discern WHAT KIND of show, and if it would be fit for the “family hour!” ;-)

      • 0 avatar
        sgeffe

        I’ve often wondered why people can’t carry CA$H for small transactions! Several years ago, I was in a big-ass hurry when I stopped to pick up some dry cleaning; this was when many businesses required two forms of ID to take a check (D/L, credit-card). I got inside, and the woman in front of me was picking up A shirt, skirt or whatever–AND STARTED WRITING A CHECK FOR $4.00!! Disgusted, I reached into my pocket, put $4 on the counter, and said “[M]a’am, I’m in a hurry–you mean you don’t carry enough cash that you have to write a CHECK (and grab IDs) while forcing people in line behind you to wait?!” She thanked me (while giving me a dirty look, and left); a woman in line behind me thanked me for being blunt!

    • 0 avatar
      psychoboy

      because we still live in the age where the “paperless office” consumes more forests than it saves.

      the paper check has to exist as a physical receipt of payment. something they can prove they wrote, and something that will come back to them as proof jack deposited it. upon doing so, jack agrees to the terms of the settlement, and if he changes his mind later, that piece of paper becomes their exhibit A.

      fedex is particularly good at getting that piece of paper from them to jack with tracking the whole way and someone to blame if jack says he didn’t get it.

      compared to them making an EFT or ACH deposit into his bank account, with its entirely virtual existence, it’s more court-worthy.

      when i was processing checks for a good sized bank, i always wondered about the checks that were written for $0.00 /and/ deposited. when i asked…that was the basic answer. i saw hundreds of literally worthless checks come thru the system.

      • 0 avatar
        Madroc

        Except that that “physical receipt of payment” gets scanned and posted electronically anyway. It’s been over a decade since the actual check got flown around the country being stamped by various clearinghouses before it worked its way back to the payor. Is a .TIF image really that superior to a confirmation number?

        • 0 avatar

          To an insurance company yes. When I worked in Insurance we had a system to view policies it was separate from every other system and was not a simple PDF. it was maintained by a staff of more than 40 people and had multiple security protections and was intertwined with the computer system that mailed you the policy. The theory was that the printed policy and digital one had to be exactly the same and could not be in a format that could be easily edited and redistributed. We could email a policy that we printed into a PDF but it had to come with a disclaimer that it was not an actual policy. If it was to be sent to a lawyer it had to printed from one office in the entire country and sent fedex.

      • 0 avatar
        Vega

        When someone totaled my car, the opposing insurance just transferred the money into my account. Their own bank statement seems to be enough in other countries. I don’t know why it has to be different in the US…

  • avatar

    I had my kids spend their childhoods in the back of a coupe just like this and they didn’t love the entry-exit procedure. However, John will graduate to the front seat soon anyway, so it’s all good.

  • avatar
    davefromcalgary

    Great car Jack!

    An Accord EX-L V6 Navi with 6MT was very high on my list of recent choices, and I think you are going to enjoy the crap out of it.

    • 0 avatar
      sgeffe

      If I could drive a stick in traffic (I can start up just fine, but can’t coordinate my feet and right hand well enough), and could have gotten a stick Touring (with ACC), I might have pulled the trigger on something like that.

      The Accord Coupe is the spiritual successor to the Prelude, and lots of folks have done suspension mods to get a little more grip out of it.

      The only thing really holding the Accord back besides the switch to struts in the front is the EPS; it could use a touch more feel at speed. That said, it’s pretty good on-center, with no dead spots. (I thought I read someplace that the rack itself is assisted on the V6 models, ala VAG products.) Even then, the car will hang with you in the corners, but unlike Accords past, the driver has to find that sweet spot!

  • avatar
    mcarr

    In my interpretation of your online persona, that cane has a sword sheathed inside.

    If in reality, it does not, I know a guy that can hook you up…

    • 0 avatar
      Jack Baruth

      Carrying a sword cane is a federal felony, so it is absolutely NOT a sword cane, regardless of what you read on the builder’s website.

      • 0 avatar

        Really!? We can concealed carry a Desert Eagle but not a sword cane? Holy hell … is my umbrella legal!?

        • 0 avatar
          carrya1911

          Ironically, Jo, yes. Some states have very specific concealed carry laws to the point where you can legally conceal a chopped down AR-15 “pistol” but not carry a Ka-Bar.

          Some states write their provisions with sufficient breadth that anything is legal if you have a permit. (ASP, knife, pistol, OC spray, whatever) Others like Virginia restrict the permit to just the handgun, leaving other items (like a fixed-blade knife) in a state of legal limbo.

          I carry a small fixed blade known as the Clinch-Pick. It doesn’t have quite the pizzazz of a sword, but the blade is short enough not to run afoul of most knife laws and it’s extremely effective in close quarters.

          You’ll have to consult the laws and jurisprudence of the state/locality you’re in to determine the legality of the blade you’re looking to carry. Sometimes the legality hinges on oddly specific features like a double edge, length or shape of blade, etc.

        • 0 avatar
          VenomV12

          I have a Recon Tanto, I am 100% certain that if I got pulled over with it I would get in more trouble than if I was carrying a 9mm. Hell I have a beautiful little Kershaw pocket knife and I suspect that would get me in more trouble than carrying a 9mm. This country is idiotic.

          • 0 avatar
            Jack Baruth

            I have a Recon Tanto as well, in addition to my original Japan Tanto from Lynn.

          • 0 avatar
            fvfvsix

            Here in AZ, most of my traffic stops have devolved into conversations about which gun said officer should buy next. You need to move :)

          • 0 avatar
            sgeffe

            So I suspect that in some jurisdictions, a Swiss Army Knife might get you in more trouble than a .40 Glock in the glovebox and a CCW permit on your person?!

      • 0 avatar
        mcarr

        Sorry Jack, I posted before you gave the builders info. Sweet cane though, now that I know the specifics.

      • 0 avatar
        56BelAire

        Holy shit, I never knew that. I owned and carried a sword cane in my truck for about 20 years(80s thru 90s) when I worked in and around Newark, NJ………I still have it, but now carry a Ruger SR40C……legally

  • avatar
    danio3834

    I agree that coupes are underrrated for child use. Having children is a great reason to have a coupe, they have small legs! Loading them in the car seat isn’t bad either as you lean in almost in front of them instead of reaching over like in a four door.

    Now that all my kids are in forward facing seats, I’m strongly condsidering a Challenger R/T 6 speed stick as my next ride.

    • 0 avatar
      sgeffe

      IIRC, I’ve seen the Accord Coupe’s back seat. As much room as my Sedan, and reasonably easy to access for a two-door.

      If I had to take one of the American muscle coupes, I’d have to choose the Mustang only because the visibility out of the Camaro and Challenger scares the daylights out of me!! (Of course, when I dropped my Honda Accord off for service and received a courtesy CR-V loaner, I completely felt out of my “Element” (LOLZ ) because of the HEIGHT!)

  • avatar
    punkybrewstershubby aka Troy D.

    I am going to get alot of heat for this statement, including my wife.

    It’s a girls car.

    • 0 avatar
      Jack Baruth

      I won’t necessarily disagree.

      What the hell, I have an air-cooled 911.

    • 0 avatar
      Toad

      My first new car was a 1989 Accord SEi coupe and it was probably the best car I have owned. If I didn’t genuinely need my SUV I’d buy a new Accord Coupe in a heartbeat. My testosterone level wouldn’t budge with either vehicle; I’m sure Jack will be fine.

      • 0 avatar
        ShoogyBee

        Those were sweet looking cars. I was especially fond of the pewter gray SEi with bronze tinted windows. I’d imagine all SEi’s came with gray leather seats. The alloy wheels that were specific to the SEi completed the upscale look.

    • 0 avatar
      Zoom

      Check out the web site video. Might as well have added unicorns and glitter.
      http://automobiles.honda.com/accord-coupe/

    • 0 avatar
      jrasero23

      lol, coming from a dude that drove an Accord Coupe your pretty spot on. My neighborhood in the Bronx has an extremely odd amount of Accord Coupe drivers and yes 3/4 or so are female drivers. I think this is because the coupe is the upgrade for most girls that drove their parents Accord or had a civic in high school, plus the Accord Coupe is almost too practical. I looked a Scion FRS last year and my girlfriends first response was how the backseat was extremely tight. With the Accord the backseat is roomy for a coupe and has a really nice sized trunk. For girls have a reliable problem free car that is practical and good looking is like hitting the g spot

  • avatar
    DeadWeight

    For those bitching about the difficulty of John getting in and out of the back, REALLY?

    Pull the lever that allows the seat to smoothly & quickly glide forward (there’s even one that tilts the back of the front seat forward, if needed).

    Secure John in safety seat.

    Reposition front seat.

    Total extra time to do this versus a sedan: Maybe 20 to 30 seconds.

    W.T.F.

    Sorry for my piss & vinegar so early this morning, but is this the type of shit we’ve been reduced to whining about?

    • 0 avatar
      cognoscenti

      +1. Furthermore, the increased room for FRONT ingress/egress will be a boon for the full duration of Jack’s physical recovery (which I hope will be quick)!

      • 0 avatar
        davefromcalgary

        Agreed, the large opening of a two door car has its own advantages. My dd of the last 4 years/until my new one rolls off the truck is a midsize coupe, and the door opening combined with the sliding/reclining seats has swallowed cargo in ways a 4 door can’t

        However, one reason my new car is a 4 door is because both the parking lot at work and at home are extremely tight. I have had to do some gymnastics of late, just to get in and out of my car. Given that Jack has a driveway, this shouldn’t be a bother for him.

    • 0 avatar
      sgeffe

      The driver’s seat may even power itself forward in the EX-L, since it has a seat memory. (All of the leather-equipped Sedans do.)

    • 0 avatar
      jrasero23

      from a former Accord Coupe owner that doesn’t have kids, you can’t believe how many grown adults can’t figure this out. Extremely annoying. Also you always have that one person that tries to get out the drivers side, no dude.

  • avatar
    RV1458

    Hi Jack,

    You explained why you didn’t get an Accord sedan and why you didn’t get the Fusion, but what about the Mazda6? I’m curious as to what ruled out the Mazda6? Just curious as I’ve debated between the 6 and Accord myself. The Mazda6 Touring with six-speed comes in “colors” too!

    • 0 avatar

      And it’s $10K cheaper … but 4 cyl. only.

      • 0 avatar
        RV1458

        Only about $5k cheaper for the Touring, but pretty similarly optioned I think.

        • 0 avatar
          mnm4ever

          I have been shopping the Mazda6 Touring with stick myself recently… the credit union price on it is about $22,500 with the snowflake white pearl.

          But its only got “leatherette”, I don’t think it has heated seats, and of course its not a 6-cyl, and that Honda 6 is a wonderful engine. But I prefer the looks of the Mazda and I really prefer the 4 doors, much easier to put the dogs in the back seat.

    • 0 avatar
      dal20402

      I’m sick of makers (including both Mazda and Honda with the sedan) that won’t give you a loaded stick configuration.

      At this point it seems to me like stick buyers would overwhelmingly be enthusiasts… who would be more likely, not less, to spring for all the goodies.

  • avatar
    AMC_CJ

    I don’t know why buy this over a Mustang…. I think that case was even made in an article here a few years back, maybe even by yourself.

    Not a bad car though.

    • 0 avatar
      Jack Baruth

      I have two six-cylinder, rear-drive sporting coupes in the garage.

      Priorities were different for this one. Against the Mustang, the Accord scores in cargo space, passenger space, folding rear seat, cost of maintenance, and resale value.

      • 0 avatar
        AMC_CJ

        I figured it was probably the more practical choice, and with more sportscars in the fleet.

        But for the record, the Mustang has rear folding seats too. We’ve gotten a toddler and a car seat back there before, it works. I wouldn’t buy it strictly as a family car though, and even though we don’t have kids, we have more practical vehicles too. Plus FWD will work a lot better in that winter weather too.

        The Accord has gotten to be a sharp car. Too bad you can’t get brown with the manual, that makes no sense at all; shame.

      • 0 avatar
        burgersandbeer

        Is the space advantage for the Accord that dramatic? The Mustang does have 50/50 folding seats, and my understanding is the trunk is pretty big as well. Both V6 and V8 Mustangs probably cost more to maintain, but the GTs do hold their value well. The V6 might not have great resale, but you wouldn’t have to sell a guitar to get it.

        You have plenty of seat time in Mustangs, so I’m sure the decision makes sense. I’m just surprised you bought a two door other than a Mustang, considering how much you seem to like it.

    • 0 avatar
      dal20402

      He has a kid. A usable back seat is important. The Mustang’s is barely there; the Accord’s is almost like a sedan.

      That’s what FWD buys you vs. RWD.

    • 0 avatar
      mnm4ever

      And if you squint a bit, it kinda looks like the 2015 Mustang. :)

      • 0 avatar
        sgeffe

        That was the very first impression I had when I first saw the new ‘Stang, but the look is different enough! That car will get a look, if only for $hits and giggles! (Sedans are just more practical for me, even as a single dude, especially since the top-line Accord with all the toys only comes with four doors!)

        Damned if I wouldn’t be tempted to break my “no hoon” rule, and take a new ‘Stang V8 out and leave a l-o-o-o-o-o-n-n-n-n-g black streak of rubber behind it!! (Oops, wait!! With the IRS, that might not be a good idea! :-) )

  • avatar
    1998redwagon

    what do i call two dudes in an accord coupe?

    LUCKY.

    i might get thrown off the forum for my next comment but jack and friend and son may be the best advertisement for the affordable health care plan there could be.

    seriously, in round numbers what is this going to cost you for medical? would you care to discuss your medical insurance situation on the forum and is there any way to find out what it would have cost if you were insured/uninsured at the time? does the affordable health care plan cover pre-existing conditions? it may make for an interesting read.

    my understanding is that there are no preconditions once you sign up.

  • avatar
    E46M3_333

    1978 called. They want their hair style back.

    Front wheel drive = fail.
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    • 0 avatar
      Drzhivago138

      …I’m sorry, did you have something to say?

    • 0 avatar
      Pch101

      You do a fantastic job of embodying common stereotypes of BMW drivers.

      • 0 avatar
        E46M3_333

        Most stereotypes have a basis in fact. So be it. I’m not insulted.
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        • 0 avatar
          DeadWeight

          That’s odd; Of all the things in the photo, anyone’s hair is probably the thing I focused on THE LEAST.

          Then again, I am a straight male (not that there’s anything wrong with gay, male BMW driving hairdressers – as long as they aren’t transparent trolls such as yourself making interWeBz remarks on things as mundane as guys’ hair.)

    • 0 avatar
      Jack Baruth

      I’m not going to give it back.

      FWD is awesome.

      Rear-engine RWD is better.

    • 0 avatar
      dal20402

      The better FWD Hondas are very, very good.

      The 2013+ Accord may be the best one they’ve built yet.

      • 0 avatar
        sgeffe

        Yep!! Tight as a drum, and they got most of it right from the get-go! Very few bugs–just a stereo glitch or two, squeaky brakes, and a limited number of CVTs that needed tweaking (which Honda has handled very well). All of which have been taken care of by now on Jack’s 2014.

        Very few things I would change on my 2013 Touring Sedan–maybe a touch more steering feel, higher-quality aluminum-painted plastic trim on the inside, and better wipers would be good. The Adaptive Cruise (ACC) on the Touring would be even better with low-speed follow/stop, but it would likely increase the cost.

        Even with these minor niggles, I’d still happily purchase my car again!

    • 0 avatar
      AoLetsGo

      Perhaps it is you sir who is out of touch.
      My 23 year old has a similar hair cut and full beard, some of the older ladies say he looks like Kenny Loggins. Pretty sure he had to look that up since he had never heard of Kenny Loggins.

    • 0 avatar
      TMA1

      Troll forgot that two Porsches in the garage always trumps a clapped-out, decade-old BMW.

  • avatar
    catachanninja

    Johns quite the badass, keep us posted as to how the accord handles the winter weather, I’d love to be able to justify buying something similar

    • 0 avatar
      jrasero23

      as well as any mid size sedan does since it is FWD. The V6 helps a bit but Honda not offering a AWD doesn’t help. I live in the NE in NYC and after last years winter I traded my Coupe for a AWD Sedan.

  • avatar
    Zykotec

    So, this means I won right? But I think you could get in in a actual color too (well, red or blue at least)if you wanted ?
    Quoted from ‘ask the B&B’ thread
    ‘You are going to buy an Accord Coupe. Because:
    1. Getting the boy in and out of his seat is actually easier in a 2 door car,(in my experience,but it’s been 10 years) because you are in front of him when fastening his belts, instead of stretching over him from the side.
    2. You know where he is at all times, you don’t have to lock any rear doors, and you will be holding the door for him whenever he gets in or out of the car, reducing the chance of unexpected door dings, or him running into a road or worse.
    3. Manual is standard (for the EX-L V6 , but by then you are a few 100$ above your limit…)
    4. It comes in actual colours.
    5.It weighs slightly less than the sedan.
    6. It just looks so much better…’

    Now, where’s my cookie?

  • avatar
    sportyaccordy

    Smart choice. Those Accords get crazy gas mileage too. My buddy was getting ~30MPG on the highway in his and he drives like a maniac. If I can keep my Z I may come back to the Honda family when I need a back seat.

    • 0 avatar
      sgeffe

      Only minor niggle is that Hondas don’t like the $hitty winter gas and cold temps in Ohio!! My Accord would likely struggle to get 30mpg using the current crap gas and in the Arctic cold which yields mid-30s at 80mph ACC (Adaptive Cruise) with 2 pax on-board and the A/C blasting!

  • avatar
    dal20402

    Congrats Jack. Great choice. I’ve been looking at these. I’d lose some power, RWD, and the sublime steering from my G8 GXP, but I really miss Honda powertrain refinement and an interior that doesn’t squeak and rattle like a ’76 Cadillac’s. With the way the GXP has held its value I probably wouldn’t have to pay much to get one.

    • 0 avatar
      dal20402

      Can’t seem to edit, so one more thought… very jealous of you for having Honda dealers that are competent and willing to deal. It’s been a few years, but last time I was looking at cars in this area (Pacific Northwest) I got treated with rudeness and barely disguised contempt by Honda dealership staff. The experience drove me to buy a TSX rather than the contemplated Accord, because I got great service at the Acura dealer.

      • 0 avatar
        sgeffe

        There are some rotten apples (four-square worksheets, holding your potential trade “hostage” by not giving your keys back, etc.), there are ones that do as “average” car dealers do (insane ADMs on wheel locks, trunk trays, and the temerity to charge a king’s ransom for AIR (nitrogen) in the tires), and ones like Roush (which are all over Ohio, IIRC, but I could be thinking of another group, e.g. Ganley).

        Mods, let me know if I’m off-base here with a shout-out and edit/remove this comment, but the dealer with whom my broker deals for his Honda clients, Thayer Honda in Bowling Green, OH, is another of the good ones; the Thayer family owns most of the car dealers in this town, home to my alma mater, Bowling Green State University, and they do their best for their customers! Even in traditional negotiations, everyone leaves happy (and that goes for their other dealers); their Honda service department’s techs will go to the ends of the Earth to ensure satisfaction, unlike at other stores. (Several of the techs have Hondas themselves, some in varying degrees of “ricer-ness,” so as the saying goes, if your hobby is your job, it doesn’t feel like a job!) Overall, they have a level of integrity which is hard to find these days.

    • 0 avatar
      sportyaccordy

      Yea those G8 GXPs look pretty mean but I’d honestly rather take a gamble on a (significantly) older E39 M5. Similar performance, slightly higher maintenance costs, unparalleled refinement. Plus with the way those GXPs are holding value you could put the purchase price saved to potential repairs/maintenance costs.

      • 0 avatar
        jrasero23

        on a side note the G8 GXP was a beast and looked like a BMW meets a Subaru.

        Also, Pontiac made some great cars in the end it’s just they tried to cover to many bases kind of like what Ford, Lincoln, Mercury did. G6, G8, Solstice, and GTO. Oldsmobile I understand cuttings but not cutting Buick was puzzling besides how the Chinese loved them. Pontiac could have been that true performance mid tier brand under Cadillac. G8 was defiantly the poor man M3

  • avatar
    Drzhivago138

    Regarding the destination fee: As far as I know (which, admittedly, isn’t much), most destination fees are a flat rate. Companies might make a profit to a certain range, then after that they’re losing money by charging the same flat rate.

    • 0 avatar
      Zackman

      The destination fee is an average of all shipping costs throughout an OEMs distribution system. Whether one lives next door to a plant or 3,000 miles away, everyone pays equal.

      Remember the old disclaimer from 40+ years ago: “Prices slightly higher in the west and south”? That’s when America still made lots of stuff, and it was made east of the Mississippi river, and north of the Ohio river – and north of the Mason-Dixon line, for that matter!

      Everything changes!

      BTW, Jack, is your son mad at you? Looking at where he has his weapon pointed, you could be singin’ soprano very shortly!

  • avatar
    Brian E

    The only thing that’s stopped me from buying one is the lack of a decent headlight option on the coupe. Honda offers this exact car in Canada with the LED projectors from the Touring sedan, but we’re apparently not good enough for that here in the US. If they fixed that, I’d probably go pick one up right now.

    • 0 avatar
      dal20402

      See if you can try one at night. The headlights aren’t LEDs or HIDs, but they *are* projectors rather than reflectors, which in my experience is more important than the particular type of light source.

      My TSX had absolutely excellent projector HIDs. If these halogen projectors are as good, they’ll be fine.

      • 0 avatar
        Kyree S. Williams

        With the exception of the Passat and the Malibu LS, every midsized mainstream car on the American market comes with projector-beam headlamps. We had a 2005 Murano SL with HID projector-beam headlamps, which got traded for a 2012 Sonata Limited, and the Sonata didn’t offer HIDs on non-hybrids until 2014, so our car doesn’t have HIDs. I now agree with you that they’re overrated.

        • 0 avatar
          ShoogyBee

          I realize you’re probably talking about current production cars. I just wanted to note that the 2008-2012 Accord sedan came with rather inferior reflector-type headlights. I leased a 2010 LX for three years and one of that car’s weak points was its dim headlights. If I lived in a rural setting, I probably would’ve gotten rid of the car before its lease was over.

      • 0 avatar
        Brian E

        I have a TSX now, and from what I’ve read the HID projectors in the TSX are amongst the best out there. I’ve driven cars with projector halogens that didn’t come anywhere close. I do a lot of night driving and I’m not sure I could stand a lighting downgrade, and I don’t have the appetite for immediately screwing with my car’s electrical system to install an aftermarket system.

    • 0 avatar
      Kyree S. Williams

      The Touring model also has a nice, color center-cluster LCD, while lesser models make do with a fixed-crystal display, similar to that of a clock. And since there’s no Touring coupe here in the States, you cannot get that LCD on the coupe at all. I personally think it should be standard across all of the models, or at least the EX and EX-L.

      • 0 avatar
        sgeffe

        Yes..that TFT display is nice!! That is likely put in there to facilitate the Adaptive Cruise Control (ACC) functionality, as well as on the Hybrid models. Hope Honda makes that standard for the MMC in 2017, as that display is standard in Accords in Australia, Russia, and other markets where that car is the range-topper. (No Acura line, or where the Accord is a step-down from the RLX/Legend.)

        There is a Honda dealer in Cleveland, OH that sells wiring harnesses to adapt the Touring LED headlights (which are da bomb–all of the good of HIDs minus the glare and color-shift) to non-Touring Sedans, but AFAIK, nobody has figured out how to retrofit the Canuck headlights to the US Coupes. (Same place has EX+ LED tails for other Sedans which are an easier plug-’n-play affair.)

  • avatar
    SCE to AUX

    I have nurtured Honda hate since 2005 when my brand new Odyssey turned into a lemon on Day One. The day I traded it 20 months later for a 9-year-old Caravan with 99k miles was a good one.

    However, that changed the other day at the Pittsburgh Auto Show, when I sat in the Accord Hybrid. 47 legit MPG (according to reviewers), plenty of room, comfortable, and decently priced ($29k MSRP). The style is invisible, but OK.

    A friend has the Accord Coupe (automatic); it’s pretty quick.

    • 0 avatar
      Dave M.

      The Accord’s styling isn’t invisible. It’s quietly classy.

      • 0 avatar
        jrasero23

        It’s not invisible but it’s far from exciting and in a good way it is very similar to Acura’s interior styling, as a result this brings down the Acura brand. When I was test driving Acura’s recently I kept thinking to myself, “wait am I in my Accord?”

    • 0 avatar
      sgeffe

      @SCE–Did transmission or Variable Cylinder Management (VCM) issues sour that Ody?

      Generally, the 2000s were not good for 1st-year Hondas. The 2001 Civic was the first to get struts, and that year was bad for struts and brakes; same with the 2006s. Then the 2008 Accord had brake problems, rattles, and oil-usage problems.

      Fortunately, that’s improved enough that after I saw how the latest Civic (a good car — there were no major mechanical or electronic issues — if a bit undercooked: too much cost-cutting evident in the 2012s, but the ensuing improvements in the two model-years since have brought it up to par) and CR-Vs turned out in the first year, I felt confident enough that I signed the papers on my 2013 Accord one year ago tomorrow.

      As I’ve stated here and other boards, that Hybrid would be on my short list for next time if the performance would be equal to the V6 Sedans, and if the battery pack was more compact so that the trunk would be the same size (with a flop-down seat) as a regular Sedan.

  • avatar
    DC Bruce

    Glad to see you’re up and about. Your car looks like a great compromise choice, with the priorities in the correct (IMHO) order. I’m not wildly fond of my ’08 Honda Pilot as “fun to drive” but, at almost 100K miles, it’s been stone reliable and has required no repairs other than the expected maintenance (brakes). My wife loves the car, which is her primary ride.

    If I ever have my fill of my Z3 (having owned it 11 years), the first cars I would look at would be an Accord Sport manual, or perhaps the coupe. The last time I looked at a coupe (one or two generations ago), I felt like I was sitting in a bathtub.

  • avatar

    I want to know why no one is asking the hard questions. It’s freezing out and you leave the door open. Were you born in a barn?

  • avatar
    JMII

    The stereo is an easy fix. Keep the factory head unit and add a JBL MS-8, change out the various crappy speakers, add some amplifiers, then apply subwoofer(s). Actually I bet just adding the MS-8 alone would do wonders even with the factory speakers as long as your happy with current loudness and bass levels.

    • 0 avatar
      DeeDub

      Yeah I don’t get picking a car based on the stereo. It’s like picking a house based on the refrigerator. Get the one you want, and replace the replaceable accessory after you own it.

      • 0 avatar
        matador

        Picking a car based on a stereo setup seems a little juvenile to me. I own a Ford E350 Box van, which came with an AM/FM only radio. The head unit stunk- I got headaches whenever I drove it.

        For $40, I bought a cheapie AM/FM/Aux/USB/SD Unit that brought the stock speakers to life. The truck now sounds awesome!

        Why would you pick a car based on the stereo. I was able to replace mine in less than an hour for under $50.

        Stereos really aren’t that big of a deal.

        • 0 avatar
          danio3834

          The difference between swapping the stereo on an E van versus a brand new Accord with a far more integrated audio system is apples to oranges.

          Not to mention how awful an aftermarket deck looks in a modern dash compared to most purposed factory units.

          • 0 avatar
            ctg

            Now I’m curious, is it even possible to upgrade the stereo in a new Accord?

            On the Sport, the head unit looks vaguely double-DIN sized, but doesn’t it also interact with the upper screen to display tuning/track info, etc?

            On the higher trims with two screens, I think the two screens are both used for different aspects of the audio system. Is there any way to upgrade anything beyond speakers? Or maybe adding amps/speakers?

            Sorry if these are dumb questions. I’m not a car audio expert by any stretch.

          • 0 avatar
            davefromcalgary

            You hit the nail on the head danio, “integration” being the key word. Since about…04 maybe, head units have been hiding behind faceplates and integrated with screens more and more. Simply swapping is less and less a viable option, without major surgery.

          • 0 avatar
            dal20402

            Is it possible to swap the head unit? Not easily, if at all.

            Is it possible to upgrade the stereo? Absolutely. Add amps and subwoofers, and replace speakers, to your heart’s content.

          • 0 avatar
            Madroc

            Depending on how widely-sold the car is, a lot of times you can get a replacement unit that replaces the entire center panel, gives you a double-DIN slot, and includes all the other controls as well (which just plug into a single harness on the back side anyway). Of course you’re looking at several hundred bucks to do it but it gives you that integrated look without having to cut it up yourself.

        • 0 avatar
          carrya1911

          There is little aftermarket for the 9th Gen Accord at the moment. It will eventually show up, but the increased sophistication of modern cars with integrated LCD screens displaying infotainment makes replacing the head unit a much more difficult proposition.

          This was the first thing I ran into when I got my Accord off the lot. Upgrading the speakers in the car isn’t a problem. Running an amp and adding a sub is more complicated, but doable.

          Replacing the head unit? There’s nothing out there for it right now. Dudes overseas have come up with some wiring tricks to make the IMID screen display video from an iPod or iPhone, but that’s about the extent of it.

          I want the equivalent of the Pioner F90-BT I installed in my previous daily driver, but so far no such thing exists for the 9th gen Accord.

          If music and infotainment are important to you in an Accord, right now the best bet is to spring for the better system. The aftermarket will eventually deliver but it will be a while.

          • 0 avatar
            DeadWeight

            Swapping out head units/stereos, etc. shoulder the subject of a TTAC technical article for the luddite amongst us, as there is nothing more frustrating than being forced to buy an additional “package” of options costing $2,000 or more to upgrade the base $bitty stereos that lower trim vehicle models inevitably come equipped with.

          • 0 avatar
            Dan

            Yep. And that $2000 Radio That Doesn’t Suck Plus Unrelated Things package is often as not only available when you also buy the $8,000 trim package with push button start, bigger wheels, leather, HID fog lights, etc. that have nothing to do with the radio either.

            Then you decide you don’t want any of that and you’ll do the stereo yourself, you buy the car and pop the door skins off, and discover that the POS drivers it came with are literally riveted to the window regulator assembly.

            The most insulting part of all of this is knowing all along that in a glass and plastic lined listening box with a 40-65dB noise floor there’s not a dime’s difference between a $30 speaker and a $300 one, making the car sound wholly adequate in the first place would have had a marginal cost of about 50 bucks, and they decided to build it with $7 paper cones anyway.

          • 0 avatar
            carrya1911

            Amen.

    • 0 avatar
      Dingleberrypiez_Returns

      JMII, this is the answer I was looking for. While replacing head units is usually not an option today, so long as you can gain access to the speaker level outputs, you’re gravy for putting together a kick-ass system. Speakers and amplifiers are obvious upgrades, and a number of sound processors and line drivers are available to clean up the signal from speaker lines when RCA outputs aren’t available. The real challenge for the amateur installer is where to put everything, and wiring cleanly. But, if you’re ready to shell out the dough, any aftermarket shop can help you. I’m positive you could assemble a system far superior to the Accord stock system, at a cost comparable or less than stepping up to the factory upgrade.

      • 0 avatar
        JMII

        Yep, these days your pretty much forced into keeping the factory unit due it being completely integrated into the dash (no more easy DIN slide jobs) and it often has NAV or HVAC controls built in it (like my wife’s Volvo).

        The new DSP units take the speaker level or sometimes even low-level (aka RCA jack/pre-amp) output and process them to remove the factory EQ which is often present. From there you have a nice clean pre-amp high voltage signal to send to whichever amps and speakers you want. Honestly most factory speakers aren’t bad if pick better crossover points. Factory systems just ask too much from their $7 paper cone mid-range/mid-bass drivers due to the lack of true subwoofers.

        And factory subs for really SUCK! My 350Z came with a garbage BOSE 10″ that did nothing but rattle. It was powered by an equally laughable “amp” (yes in quotes, because I have more powerful headphones!). In addition Nissan had a microphone under steering column that picked up engine noise and attempted to adjust sound levels to compensate. The result was muddy bass at speed and zero bass when idling. The wife’s Volvo has a similar feature, but thankfully you can turn it off.

      • 0 avatar
        sgeffe

        There are RCA outputs on the stock Honda head units.

        There’s also a “hidden” DSP setting in a “Developer/Diagnostic” menu which sort of is the equivalent to activating a “loudness” switch back in the day. The problem is that depending on the head unit or even the model-year, the setting may or may not “reset” itself with each restart. :-p

  • avatar
    Autobraz

    Can you comment on the back seat outward visibility for your son? The windows look quite small but if he is seated high enough, it wouldn’t be a problem. How does your son feel about that? Does he get motion sickness in the car? If so, is it better or worse in this new car?

    Thanks and congratulations on the new car!

    • 0 avatar
      Jack Baruth

      He isn’t subject to motion sickness… he’s been around Mid-Ohio in the back of the 911.

      I’ll ask him about visibility. He likes the low hood for forward visibility and mentioned it.

      • 0 avatar
        sgeffe

        I’d love to bring my Accord down for a few hot laps of the TRC track. (Or is that Mid-Ohio? Frain-bart on my end!)

        (BTW, haven’t mentioned it in my numerous posts on this thread — my Accord fanboi-ism knows no bounds — but you’ll find that the Modern Steel does the best job of any of the Accord colors save the White Orchid Pearl of hiding dirt (and salt, until it gets REALLY coated). Have it detailed twice a year inside and out, be careful with what people touch on the interior (as the faux “aluminum” trim looks easy to scratch), and all will be good! First oil change, my dealer’s detailer went over everything, and the car looked so good, that at 11 months old, the sales manager almost put my Touring in the showroom for a day; I had dropped it off for an oil change and detail, and the service manager told me that they nearly wanted to do that and let me keep their courtesy car for another day, just so they could show-off a full-boat Accord! 8-D They DID comp me the interior detail, and that car looked better than when I took delivery one year ago next Saturday!)

  • avatar
    profk24

    Excellent choice–congrats. I drove a 2003 Accord Coupe (MT) for a decade, frequently with two car seats in the back. No problem at all, especially once they can buckle their own seat belts!

  • avatar
    slance66

    Nice choice all around, I always admire these when I see them on the road. The best thing about this car, is that in a mere dozen or more years, John can drive it. It will still be going, and probably still look pretty good.

  • avatar
    George B

    Jack, does the Accord Coupe with V6 and manual use a unique version of the V6 engine (Acura version?) with different internal parts or does Honda use the same engine as the automatic version and not use the cylinder deactivation capability?

    Seems to me that Honda could simply charge the same price for manual and automatic versions of the Accord and use the slight price increase to add a color or two as options. Add the roughly Ohio State red plus manual and they’d probably sell enough in the Columbus, OH area alone to justify the additional build option.

    • 0 avatar
      Jack Baruth

      The answer is… none of the above. The 2014 is the J35 with VCM. At freeway speeds, particularly on cruise, it will activate.

      • 0 avatar
        George B

        Are you sure? I went back and checked the possibly wrong Wikipedia Honda J engine page and they show J35Y1 with VCM for the automatic and J35Y2 without VCM for the manual. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_J_engine Seemed unusual for Honda that they would make completely different engine hardware for a low volume configuration considering their color stinginess. Figured they must have some way to get economies of scale either by making the J35Y1 and J35Y2 almost identical or having some other application for the J35Y2.

  • avatar
    Luke

    Nice choice. Pictures don’t do those cars justice…I always notice them when I seem them on the road, though.

    Do they paint Accords any color other than that one? I think I saw a white one once, but I can’t be sure.

  • avatar

    “Modern Steel” is the new name of my unformed 80′ Butt-Rock Cover band…

    Nothing to see here, I just wanted to comment with the other well wishers that its good to see you highly mobile.

  • avatar
    Short Bus

    Nice car. Good choice.

  • avatar
    05lgt

    Re; “What do you call”
    I’ll borrow from Disney and call it A Family that is small and broken, but good.

  • avatar
    Aquineas

    Very good decision (and I own a Fusion). My only concern about the Accord V6 Coupe is that it’s surprisingly quick for a family hauler (I used to own a V6 sedan and a V6 manual Altima which would be pretty close, quickness-wise) and might tempt you to um.. well… drive a bit aggressively. Otherwise the EX is a wonderful car! Be careful bro.

    • 0 avatar
      sgeffe

      You just learn to love it in small doses! (Like a fine dessert or highbrow name-your-liquor-of-choice!) Then that rush is better to savor!

      Better to sit back and hit mid-30s in the summer, with A/C blazing, and that sublime J-series turning maybe 2,500rpm at Vmax while pulling down mid-30s mpgs!

      Turbo, schmurbo!! No replacement for displacement!! (And Honda hasn’t even dropped DI into the Accord V6s yet, which would be good for a few more mpgs. Obviously the elephant in the room there is with valve deposits, but Honda usually does this stuff behind the rest of the industry for a reason: to get it right! In fact, I might check with my dealer’s service manager to ask if he or his techs have scoped an “EarthDreams” K25 Accord to see how that motor fares.)

  • avatar
    Land Ark

    They just can’t seem to get a handle on how to design that car’s ass end. The previous generation was gorgeous until you looked at it straight on from behind, then it was an eye-sore. And while better, this new one still doesn’t quite have it.
    It is a nice compromise, however, and I’m pleased SOMEONE is still buying a new-off-the-lot coupe.

  • avatar
    PrincipalDan

    Re: The first picture…

    “Coming this fall, Thursdays on USA Network – lock up your daughters… its “Baruth and Son”

    Characters Welcome.

  • avatar
    Andy

    That’ll do! He’ll be front seat eligible soon enough. Had I a shorter commute, a larger monthly payment budget, and fewer children, the V6 coupe would have been my choice. For me, for now, the Sport was a better fit. (And I agree with the color rant – would have loved mine even more in blue. But grey is better than black.)

  • avatar
    RogerB34

    Good choice. The back seat isn’t a problem for young persons.
    Since it is a coupe, it weighs less and has the same power, suspension and brakes of the sedan which makes it agile and quick.
    Mine is an 05 V6 EXL coupe which I prefer because it has the 3L 240HP engine and is smaller than the current version. Engineering is excellent from a DIY viewpoint. Especially under the hood. One downside is poor visibility left side to the rear due to roof shape.
    MPG interstate at 65 is 31.
    Only unexpected maintenance was spark plug failure at 36k miles. CEL misfire 1 and 5. All of them were leaking residue past the two internal plug seals. New plugs fixed.
    Review the Accord misfire issues on Edmunds.

  • avatar
    Stumpaster

    Congrats!

    Question about the Britax seat. I just decided against it no so much for the money but because I thought it cuddled the kid too much and because I thought he is just about to outgrow the 5 point harness. My kid is 3 and 40 lbs and for now has the smaller baby Britax that he will outgrow by summer. How tall/heavy is your kid? Any more room for the harness? I consider you the supreme authority on these issues now.

  • avatar
    NormSV650

    The 198 watt amp won’t be enough for JB. Is Columbus Car Audio still around?

    http://m.hondaaccordforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=53307&styleid=4

    • 0 avatar
      thornmark

      Blue-haired ladies? Argue w/ the LATimes:

      “Buick Verano isn’t up to running with a younger crowd
      The compact sedan aimed at thirtysomethings is filled with impressive features. But the design screams Geritol, not Generation X.
      March 21, 2012|By David Undercoffler, Los Angeles Times
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      But Buick takes this car, replete with conservative, practical luxury, and tells us the Verano will target people considering a Lexus IS250, Acura’s TSX or even Volvo’s compact C30 two-door hatchback. The unstated goal? That this car would appeal to people born during the presidential administrations of Carter or Reagan rather than those of Taft or Wilson.

      It doesn’t; it can’t. On paper it should, for the multitude of reasons you’ve just read. But this exterior design takes precisely zero chances and rather than dispel the notion that a Buick is only for people who buy Ensure by the pallet, it reinforces it….”
      http://articles.latimes.com/2012/mar/21/business/la-fi-autos-buick-verano-review-20120322/2

      • 0 avatar
        NormSV650

        The engine makes the car! That’s Jack ended up with a V6 even though the Sport with 4-cylinder is quicker on the autocross course.

        Can you spot a Verano Turbo on the street? You better as Grandma might just have you passed when the lane narrows.

      • 0 avatar
        burgersandbeer

        The Verano is a car for blue-hair ladies because of one guy’s opinion of its styling? And this opinion is supposed to somehow validate yours? Did you read the rest of the article you linked to where he basically said the car was awesome in every other way?

    • 0 avatar
      rpn453

      If that amp could put out even 50W of clean sound, it would be plenty. I suspect that the whole stereo is simply junk, especially the speakers.

  • avatar
    VenomV12

    Accord is a great car, all Hondas are. In fact my second car in life was a gorgeous 1995 Honda Accord V6 EX-L coupe. My family has had a million Honda/Acura vehicles and they have been dead reliable. The only thing Honda can’t seem to get right is shocks and struts, they always seem to go bad within 50K miles.

    • 0 avatar
      bball40dtw

      “Accord is a great car, all Hondas are.”

      CR-Z?
      Crosstour?

      • 0 avatar
        Zykotec

        Well, both those are classleading? The CR-Z is the best combined hybrid/slow sportscoupe, and the Crosstour is probably the best huge(by Euro-standards, we don’t get them here though)non-premium family hatchback sedan.

        • 0 avatar
          Madroc

          The sad thing is, if the CR-Z had a conventional drivetrain with a K24 engine, it would have cost the same and been a worthy successor to the CRX. I don’t know what they were thinking.

      • 0 avatar
        kvndoom

        No doubt they are very undesirable cars, but still probably “good” in the sense of longevity and reliability.

        But I agree on Honda’s boneheaded decisions in the last 5 years. They lead the industry in WTF’s the past several years.

        • 0 avatar
          sgeffe

          +1000!

          Though they are starting to pull their heads out of their collective corporate backsides! The Accord and massive improvements to the Civic since the 9th-Gen’s debut are evidence of that!

          Now if they could get the Acura division straightened around, they’d be OK! As a confessed Honda “fanboi,” if I could afford the initial purchase and continued upkeep (read: premium gas @ ~$4.00/gallon average), I would accept the new TLX, say, for what it will be: a very nice Accord with serious improvements to amenities and interior fit and finish. (Yes, even the “beak” has been toned-down over the years, and there will always be aftermarket grilles to drop in if your wallet allows.)

          Most other folks, including many of the B&B, I’m certain, don’t see it that way. Hence Acura’s problem.

  • avatar
    Felis Concolor

    Oh dear, a clear lack of color choices when purchasing a new car; welcome to my world, Jack.

    It’s good to read some Honda dealers have finally learned humility since the 80s, when a group of their sales reps convinced my father he’d rather buy 2 Toyotas instead of 1 Accord.

  • avatar
    carguy

    Nice choice Jack. The Accord coupe is often derided by enthusiasts and over looked by magazines due to it not “being a real sports car”. However, as fun, reliable and economical daily transportation, it has few peers in its price range.

  • avatar
    Stuck in DC traffic

    Jack,
    Glad to hear your still recovering, I too have broken a few of favorite bones and know what that journey back is like.

    Question though, you said you used a safety first child seat in the TC during the wreck, now you switched to Britax. Why the change? My daughter is a couple of months away from the needing the next size up seat.

  • avatar
    brenschluss

    Sick NERF.

  • avatar

    Seems to thread the needle between practicality and not spending every moment behind the wheel wishing you weren’t.

  • avatar
    SilverCoupe

    Nice choice, Jack. Between this and the S5, you do go for the pretty cars (as do I). Your choice is not too unlike my own, a 6 cylinder A5 in Quartz Gray with a manual. The Audi has the advantage of AWD, but it did cost over 30 when purchased used a few years ago, though you could currently get a used one for under 30 now. And the Honda will in theory be more reliable, not that I have had any issues with the Audi so far.

    Hope you enjoy it!

  • avatar
    mjz

    Surprised that you picked a coupe for the practical “family hauler”. Thought you’d go the minivan/CUV/SUV route just for cargo hauling capacity. That being said, you really can’t go wrong with an Accord coupe.

  • avatar
    johnharris

    Well, I just bought three Britax Pinnacle 90′s for my toddler, based on Jack’s articles. I really wish he’d not crash-tested one for me, but there you are.

  • avatar
    zamoti

    Being an internet supastar comes with a certain lack of privacy, but maybe redact the house number in the photo next time.
    You’re going to have some nutter wanting a race showing up on your doorstep or worse yet an ahole robber with a taste for fancy guitars and custom shoes.

    • 0 avatar
      VenomV12

      Between Google, White Pages and free to the public property records, if you really want to find someone and have their name and a general idea of where they live, it is not exactly hard to find someone if you really want to. None of the commenters on this site strike me as the type of people that are going to track someone down and show up at their door so I think Jack is safe. ha ha

      Since I believe he also runs The Truth about Guns, I am guessing his house is not somewhere you might want to enter uninvited either.

  • avatar
    cRacK hEaD aLLeY

    Congratulations on your new car.
    e46 coupe with a young kid and a bad back chiming in here:

    I personally think you made the wrong decision going for a new 2 door coupe with: 1)a broken back 2) a young child in the picture 3) already a sports car in the garage 4)volcanic medical bills

    You will not look fwd to reaching to the middle back seat rear floor to pick up that dropped sneaker and juice box, plus the loose math homework sheets especially when it is cold and wet and windy and you have been sitting on the car for a while with the heated seats on. No matter how nicer that stereo sounds it won’t make any difference in the excruciating daily routine of reaching into the back seat.

    Besides, just like your back, your hearing will not improve with age.

    A small CUV so you can slide into and out of the seats (as opposed to squat down and up) would have made much more sense at this stage of your life.

    Don’t let your hormones do the shopping when you already have at least one semi-pure sports car in your garage ready to give you all the pain and suffering you can take.

    Return this almost-unsellable Acord (good luck finding a divorced 50 y/o eastern-european rich immigrant eager to find a v6 manual fwd coupe in your neck of the woods) and get that silver used CR-V LX you know you deserve.

    PS: get one of these asap:

    http://www.amazon.com/36-Inch-Pick-up-Grabber-Aluminum-Handle/dp/B0035880K6

  • avatar

    I didn’t know one could get a V6 with the stick. If you buy one I’ll be interested to hear about torque steer. Its hard for me to imagine a Porsche guy buying a FWD vehicle.

  • avatar
    Dave M.

    Congrats Jack! Beautiful car, and I bet the one your son inherits as his first car.

  • avatar
    Lorenzo

    Nobody asks about the guitars? There has to be room for the guitars. You can rent a van for the amps and speakers, but guitars must travel first class.

  • avatar
    A09

    Reading this brought back great memories of my 2006 Accord Sedan EX-L V6 6MT Navi. Other than the third gear pop-out issue (due to bad syncro), it was a solid vehicle. Great choice Jack!

  • avatar
    ...m...

    …my only comment regarding presumed reliability: is honda still running interference engines on a belt instead of a chain?..

    • 0 avatar
      CoreyDL

      …that’s a question…: not a comment,?”…:

      • 0 avatar
        DeadWeight

        WHY is Honda still making interference motors?

        These are of the type whereby catastrophic failure can occur if the belt on the V6 snaps while the motor is pulling the vehicle?

        Is it just the belt interference V6 that can bend valves, etc?

        • 0 avatar
          sgeffe

          I’ve had two go to 60,000+, my Dad’s had three go to 80,000+, and folks routinely surpass 105,000 (the change interval) without problems.

          You just have to budget for a T-belt change (along with the water pump, for safety’s sake) at 105,000 miles.

          At that time, find an idie to do it–probably $500 if not a little less. Dealers probably a little more, but I’ve heard of one or two incidents where the dealer has “done good” on this service for long-time customers. Moral: shop around well before the 105K mark.

          • 0 avatar
            burgersandbeer

            I’m confused. Do you mean 60,000+ and 80,000+ miles after the recommended change interval? Otherwise I don’t see why anyone would brag about 80,000 miles on a t-belt.

            I’ve actually read enough about timing chain guide rail failures that belts don’t sound so stupid anymore. $500 every 100k miles is nothing. At least they are designed for service.

    • 0 avatar
      kvndoom

      Chains on 4-cylinders, belts on V6′s

  • avatar
    cee4s

    Nice car, good choice.

  • avatar
    hurricanehole

    So I’m surprised as this is my choice for a new car. Looks great to these eyes. Speaking of eyes, here’s my pet peeve. Those colors that can blend into the asphalt road at certain times of the day should have headlights always on. A quick glance to check traffic could miss certain color cars. Thinking of short attention spans and bad eyesight.

    • 0 avatar
      Sigivald

      And this is why we keep our lights *on* at all times.

      No matter what color the car is, it’s hard to miss red/yellow/white lights, ain’t it?

    • 0 avatar
      sgeffe

      The LED-strip DRLs on this model are pretty bright, and even more to your point, at certain sun angles on a clear day (when the car might “blend in” more) with the headlights in “AUTO” mode, the light sensor seems to be positioned such that shadows fall across it, activating the headlights.

      (And unlike the last-gen Accords, there’s a separate ambient-light sensor for the instrument lights, so even if the headlights are on, the panel/interior lights are at the “daytime” setting unless..it’s DARK out! And whatever algorithm Honda uses for this purpose is absolutely dead-on, day and night!)

  • avatar
    bikephil

    I wouldn’t be able to sleep for weeks knowing I just blew nearly $30k on a car. What a waste of money, unless it’s someone else who is paying for the car, or if I’m a millionaire…

  • avatar
    kenwood

    Dang. How long will she be in a wheelchair?

  • avatar
    Sigivald

    “Clearly the only reason Honda sells manual-transmission vehicles to anyone is because they are slightly cheaper, right?”

    All snark aide, *yes*.

    That is probably actually true.

  • avatar
    philadlj

    Congrats Jack! Welcome to your new Honda. I think you made a good choice.

    My family has owned seven Hondas (four built in Ohio, three in Ontario). We love/loved them all and they have yet to let us down.

    Good luck. I hope it gives you many decades of unflappable service.

  • avatar
    doug-g

    It’s 3:30 PM where I live and I am looking at a guy in a picture wearing a blue shirt, neon green shoes and a jacket that looks like it was made from the drapes of his grandmother’s parlor. He is standing in front of a Honda Accord, somewhere in Ohio, and wants to know what people think. I’m trying to render a logical, reasoned opinion. Probably within walking distance of me there is a poor soul halfway through his first fifth of whiskey for the day. The guy is sitting alone, wondering the meaning of life and thinking he should just end it all. Personally, I think Jack bought a stupid-assed car. I own a 2012 Accord sedan and, while there are differences, they are still the go-to car for people who have run out of ideas. At least Jack isn’t drunk right now (to my knowledge, at least).

    My “best friend” right now, the person I can’t wait to “talk” to each day, is a fifty-something homosexual from West Hollywood who shares my love of MCM architecture and has been in every significant MCM property in SoCal. He is a true insider who knows (or knew) damned near everyone in Hollywood. Steven’s sense of humor (totally sick) mirrors mine. We met via Facebook. The introduction was by Al Martino’s daughter, Alison, who I have never met. Alison and I got acquainted on a site that celebrates all things LA, a city I’ve not lived in for some time.

    At some level, I’m happy that my home computer has begun to show the signs of age; newer technology often baffles it. I was actually spending time out of doors and I even talked to a neighbor. I mentioned all this to my sister last week. My sister called yesterday and told me she ordered me a new laptop, it will be here in a few days. Early birthday gift she said. So I guess I will be talking cars to an ill-dressed Ohioan, discussing MCM with a witty Californian and some poor guy nearby will decide the struggle just isn’t worth it. I hope the shot doesn’t wake me.

  • avatar
    MrGreenMan

    Congratulations on the new car and getting back in the saddle.

  • avatar
    CopperCountry

    Great choice – and like you said, it’s not always about what you want, it’s about what you need (which in many cases, will be what you want.) During a 5-hour slog from Powell, OH to Detroit during last Monday night’s snow storm – a trip that normally takes 3 hours – I not only needed FWD and Michelin X-Ice snow tires, I wanted them. For family-haulin’ DD duties in the upper midwest, a RWD Challenger/Mustang/3-Series isn’t what you need (unless you like ditches and waiting for tow trucks.) For the needs you stated, I can’t think of a better choice.

  • avatar
    Hemi

    Congrats on the choice, I had been wondering what you had finally decided on. Surprisingly the coupe is spacious inside and rear entry/exit is pretty easy. The V6 is quick, especially with the stick. 

    My wife owned an Accord 98 V6 coupe, which was nice. We looked at the new 13 Accord Sport Sedan, and she didn’t like it. Loved the front, rear is a copy of the 08 Genesis sedan, spacious interior. I don’t like the triple decker dash , 2 screens and then another row of buttons. Wtf just give me 5 screens why don’t you. CVT had some issue on test drive, interior noise was also just ok. It did everything, but did nothing greatly. Read the Accord forums, saw some problems and decided against the first year. 

    So we looked at the coupe, liked the coupe, the cloth in the coupe was horrible and didn’t want leather. 

    Soooo we looked at the Challenger and Charger. My wife and her family have owned Japanese and German vehicles only. My wife loved the exterior and expected typical crappy American interior. Well the Charger has a nicer interior and my wife loved it. She test drove it and was dead set on it. Loved the interior, the layout (one screen), quiet interior and that Hemi… We’ve owned it for 8k trouble free miles and loveeeee driving it everyday. The Hemi coupled with the awd is an awesome combo for unplowed streets of NYC and ski trips. Very comfy car for long drives, huge trunk, great sound system and awesome MPG on highway. 

    I’ve always loved Honda, but the new generation doesn’t compare to the Hondas of the 90s. Looking at current vehicles, CRV is ok but loud and cheap interior, Civic is ugly and expensive, Pilot looks the same since it was first released. I tried to buy an older Accord or Civic, but finding an unmolested, non riced version is so hard.  I think eventually I’ll sell my bike and get a S2000…

    • 0 avatar
      sgeffe

      I agree about the ’90s Hondas!

      The 4th-Gen Accords are my benchmark for quality, feel, and fun!! My Dad’s 1991 Hampshire Green EX Sedan could handle like a 3-series, and cruise at Autobahn Vmax (well..maybe well into triple-digits) all day!! It felt like it was made of granite!!

      My Mom had a 1990 Civic EX Sedan, which was a CRX engine and chassis with a sedan body!! True roller-skate handling, and loved to rev just for the sake of it!

    • 0 avatar
      jrasero23

      Yeah this is the main reason I didn’t purchase a Honda this time around. There is a no exciting cars anymore, the Coupe is the closest thing Honda has in a “sports” car which is sad. The Coupe from its styling and the optional V6 and manual makes you think sports but it drives like any mid size sedan which is disappointing for $30k

      I think Mazda has sort of taken over as the new Honda, but if I had 30K to spend G37 hands down.

  • avatar
    seth1065

    I think the leaning over to open the door is gonna get old soon but good luck , what finished runner up ? How is the resale value of a two door stick ?

  • avatar
    JKC

    Enjoy the new wheels, Jack. Hope you never have to test the crash-worthiness of either the car or the Britax.

  • avatar
    JD321

    $18K helicopter ride and you complain about $800 destination charge :/

    The Accord is nice…I figured you would like the driving dynamics of the I4 better.

    • 0 avatar
      burgersandbeer

      No need to stress about the driving dynamics in a mid-sized coupe based on a family sedan when you have two Porsches in the driveway.

      I’d consider accepting a heavier nose in exchange for the V6 too. I don’t think Honda gets enough credit for their V6. It’s smooth, powerful, efficient, and sounds great. Pair it with a manual that they do get a lot of credit for and you have an awesome powertrain to wrap a car around.

    • 0 avatar
      NormSV650

      I figure Sport Accord too as the MT figure-eight times. But a V6 keeps his man card.

    • 0 avatar
      Jack Baruth

      I wasn’t too worried about driving dynamics, honestly. In a day to day situation I’d rather have the power to merge with authorrrrritay.

  • avatar
    sketch447

    Sir, I celebrate your rapid recovery and your beautiful new automobile. It’s gorgeous. What an enjoyable article, and great photos. I have bookmarked it to read over and over…..

    Enjoy your sweet ride, and I wish you a million safe motoring miles!

  • avatar
    rhduff

    Congrats on the car. FWIW, I call “Two Dudes in an Accord Coupe” gay, but that’s because I am, and I drive one. Great car two own. Get the all season floor mats from College Hills Honda. The floor mat on the driver’s side already has a hole in it, and my Accord hasn’t turned 4K miles yet. Honda definitely cheaped out on the carpet. It has a nasty feel to it, and is hard to vacuum because things like leaves and dog hair stick to it.

  • avatar
    Pastor Glenn

    Good move. It’s also good that you chose to move on from the “rear wheel drive sedan” gig, which is why I’d suggested the Hyundai Genesis sedan to you earlier – I thought you wanted an “update” of what you had.

    I enjoyed the article and your boy reminds me of my two (25 years ago). There’s a great Dinosaur museum at the University of Waterloo in Ontario (or at least, there was….) – you should take him some time. He’ll love it, I think.

    Yep, it’s still there.

    https://uwaterloo.ca/earth-sciences-museum/

  • avatar
    Ion

    That’s funny a coworker and I were discussing how the destination charge seems to be a flat rate, even if you lived within close proximity of the factory.
    The color issue is why the Accord coupe got crossed off my list. Honda makes the accord in about two real colors a red and a wonderful shade of blue. Why I can’t order the blue with the manual is beyond me.

    • 0 avatar
      sgeffe

      I wonder if Honda has factory delivery in Marysville, Anna, or the Indiana plant? If so, would they cut you a little break on the charge, with the proviso that you take the car to your selling dealer for a once-over? (How does that work with BMW’s or Mercedes’ Euro Delivery programs once the car is shipped back here?)

  • avatar
    Chicken Daddy

    Nice car Jack. I have the same model in Crystal Black. I have a good relationship with my detailer; he does house calls. My 4 year old thinks that the coupe is “speedy-ish”. Great to be back in a 6 speed.

  • avatar
    replica

    Sold a guitar for a car?

    You’re dead to me sir! DEAD!

    If you’d sold a guitar for that Great Gatsby era cane however…

  • avatar
    Ryoku75

    This feels like the 80′s all over, someone gets a junky Town Car and ends up swapping it for a far more modern, better Accord.

    Enjoy your new Honda though, you’ll be the first and only Accord owner to know what “scheduled maintenance” is.

    I won’t mock for the FWD (its great in the right cars), but in this day and age a stick-shift isn’t exactly necessary on a road car.

  • avatar
    naterator

    No one answered Jack’s question.

    “What Do You Call Two Dudes In An Accord Coupe?”

    Accordions.

    [Rimshot]

  • avatar
    doug-g

    Jack, now that the crowd has cleared and we’re walking out the door, heading towards our respective Hondas. I’d be remiss if I did not mention that you look better in that lead picture than I have ever seen you look. This is from a person who has given you crap in the past for being pale so you know I do look at people. (No, not in THAT way. LOL) All you have been through and you look twenty years younger. You also have a more inner, reflective aura about you. My guess is that several layers of what you thought you knew have been stripped away and you’re having to go back to a point and start anew on some levels. From what I am seeing the man you are working towards will be all he was before and better. Who knows why we get thrown curve balls in life, but if we approach them correctly we learn from them and grow.*

    *Typed by a person on the net, take only the dose you feel appropriate. (BTW, I never check the followup stuff so if you see this just know it was written with best wishes and respect.)

  • avatar
    Beerboy12

    The Coupe looks surprisingly nice.
    Is it not HORRIFIC what people who prefer manuals have to deal with…? Questions on choices are met with No! No! and No! Then you have to practically beg the dealer to sell you one.

  • avatar
    threeer

    Sitting here in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia for the next two (or three) years, I’ve plenty of time to contemplate the car I’ll buy when I get back Stateside. Part of me has really been jonesing for a Jeep Wrangler…but the abysmal fuel economy and less than stellar day to day over the road manners leave a little doubt in the back of my mind. I’ve toyed with something fun, like a Mustang V-6 or playful like a Focus ST (I even like the Fiesta ST…must be all of those years growing up in Europe). But I have to admit, I’ve looked at the Accord Coupe with manual trans more than once as something perhaps a tad more “grown up.” Is the coupe also assembled in Ohio, or just the sedan? I’m kind of on a “Support American manufacturing” bend, although I know that the Wrangler is owned by Fiat and the Fiesta is Hecho en Mexico…like I said, I have another year or two to kick this around (but setting up test drives is not remotely possible until I get home).
    Nice car, Jack! Your mini-me will be just fine in the back seat. For years, we had a 1976 Mercury Montego and 1981 Toyota Corolla, both two-door. We owned both well into my middle-teen years and I survived the back seat quite nicely. And the LARGE bench seat in the Mercury came in very handy when I started dating, but that’s a different topic for another day…

  • avatar
    stottpie

    Hey Jack, you seem like the type of person who would be irritated by poor font choices. The Accord interior uses Arial. Deal with it.

  • avatar
    psundell

    I totally agree with your comments on the extreme shortsightdedness of Honda on color and packaging options on the Accord manual. The four cylinder with the manual is a reasonably quick car with an excellent manual transmission but the lack of color and trim options is infuriating. The cars they send to Canada from the Marysville plant have a lot more options and content. My guess is that Honda doesn’t want to hurt its higher level Acura brand but they are driving customers away to other brands with their horrible trim offerings and arrogance. I would have chosen the Accord coupe four cylinder manual if color, interior options, and stereo choices were far better. The six cylinder is quick but nose heavy and has shown to be less reliable than the four cylinder. I talked and wrote to Honda about their arrogance concerning lack of option choices on the manual four cylinder. Hopefully other customers will let Honda know of their dissatisfaction as well.

    • 0 avatar
      jrasero23

      Funny you say this but as a long time Honda/Acura buyer the Coupe has stolen a lot of potential Acura sales from me. Looking at Acura’s current lineup, not including the future TLX the Accord Coupe fully loaded is defiantly better than a 2.4 ILX and it smokes the TSX. The one car it fails against is the AWD TL, but the TL will be discontinued soon.

      The options are lacking for the coupe, but the contrasting leather is defiantly unique and you still have the ability to add HFP parts which makes the Coupe really stand out.

  • avatar
    jrasero23

    While the review was interesting the purchase itself is a reckless impulse buy that I am sure you will regret, this is not to say the Coupe is a bad car (had a 8th gen) but compared to your other cars the Coupe is a vanilla cars that is surprisingly sporty.

    Also, you bought the car for comfort because of age and your surgery but from personal experience getting out the Coupe isn’t as bad as getting out of a boxer but you don’t slip right out like a SUV, plus it’s so annoying having to help people get out since no can figure out how to push the front seat forward. Plus there is also that one person in the back that drives to exit out of the drivers side!


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