By on February 21, 2014

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Oh my, this Toyobaru GT86 situation is a shame, isn’t it? QC issues, dealer gouging, controversial tire choices, sundial acceleration, the catastrophically depressing drone of the engine as it asthmatically stumbles to its powerless redline before the injector seals fail and it vomits out its component parts in a single “FehhhrrrrrrrrggggggghhhhPOP.”

If only the people at Subaru and Toyota had asked you instead of letting their own accountants engineers make the decisions. As Andre 3000 once sang, you know what to do-oooooh-ooooh.

All the parts for a great affordable sports Coop are out there, man! You just have to, like, know how to assemble them! How about an RX-8 with the engine from the Mazdaspeed3? Better yet, a Miata Coupe with the engine from the MS3! Or an M228i with roll-up windows! Or, um, a roadster body on the Ford Ranger with an Ecoboost six!

Clearly, my robotic creativity could never come close to what you humans could imagine. So hit me with your best shot. Put the parts together from various bins, come up with an idea for styling and specification. And if we need rules… let’s say an MSRP of $34,999 or less, shall we? Just do me a favor: make sure the Forester’s base motor doesn’t make the scene in your dreams.

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116 Comments on “QOTD: Choose Your Own Parts-Bin Sporting Coo-Pay...”


  • avatar
    LALoser

    Evo MR powertrain and AWD stuffed in a Verano!

  • avatar
    28-Cars-Later

    Can I just have one of Norm’s Buicks?

  • avatar
    7402

    Does the car have to be new? I’m dying to stuff a Viper V10 into a Facel Vega HK500.

  • avatar
    Atum

    An XSP Venza with a panoramic roof and accessories exactly like the Camry XSP. (the 1AR-FE or 2GR-FE doesn’t matter; a TRD supercharger will be added regardless). Also with…

    *Black or gray exterior.
    *8 inch infotainment system made by HTC running on KitKat with Google apps and Google Play (be careful which apps you download; no Instagram selfies while driving lol.)
    *Heated and cooled: steering wheel, front seats, rear seats, and mirrors.
    *Soft touch leather surfaces EVERYWHERE, and better connected panels.
    *Two six inch screens in the headrests of the front seats, with the ability to switch between iOS 7 and KitKat (or JellyBean, if you want to throwback).
    *Xbox One and PS4 compatibility with the tablets, and PSN and Xbox Live accounts already on.
    *Massaging front and rear seats. That’s a big one.
    *Five+ power outlets and ten+ aux ports.

    How to get it under 34; make these modifications on an LE model and put 50K on the odo. This would make a CSA Toyota CPO deal ASAP!!!!

    • 0 avatar
      Felix Hoenikker

      I enjoyed your post, but I have no idea of what you are talking about. WTF is Kitkat? I admit that I am not up to speed on smart phone tech, but how bout ‘splain’ some of the terminology.

      • 0 avatar
        Atum

        KitKat is the newest version of Android. JellyBean is its predecessor. It’s on the Nexus 5 and other new Android products. I’m no authority; I just know the order of the systems due to Wikipedia, and the fact that my dad’s S2 has 4.(3?). Also, I’m searching for a new smartphone because I’m eligible for an upgrade at the beginning of April; my LG Optimus S with Gingerbread 2.3.3 is beginning to kind of agitate me with its oldness (got it August 2012, but design from October 2010), lack of storage, bad camera, and inability to download some apps due to the ancient OS. Therefore, I’m caring more about phones than I normally do.

        And I’m glad you enjoyed it. I forgot to mention the aftermarket microwave, fridge, and mattress. :)

        Update: Just went on Google, and the company of Google is developing an Android-based vehicle infotainment system for Audi and other companies. Now to see Apple pull something off like that, with iOS 7 converted to vehicular needs.

    • 0 avatar
      tuffjuff

      While we’re talking about the Venza can we replace the concoction they have for a center console with something not involving a cheap, thin piece of plastic that feels like it’s going to break when you touch it?

  • avatar
    DenverMike

    Corolla pan with a Camry V6 but mounted in the back seat or trunk.

    And bring back small coupes with mid-size truck drivetrains. Cheap and easy. And it’ll help make those trucks useful/profitable.

  • avatar
    racer-esq.

    Do I get to use this?

    https://www.factoryfive.com/kits/project-818/

    If not then RX-8 with the engine from the Mazdaspeed3 engine is pretty hard to beat. And yes, a straight-4 fits in the RX-8, it’s the same platform as the straight-4 powered NC Miata.

  • avatar
    87 Morgan

    I respectively submit what you are asking is what is now called ‘resto-modding’. I have seen quite a few late 60’s early 70’s Detroit iron reborn into reliable performance friendly works of art, one in particular was a bargain build 69 Chevelle with the drivetrain out of a Cadillac escalade 09′ vintage. Fuel injection, AC, bullet proof trans. Interior, suspension, and paint were updated etc. It was really well done drove great, lots of power and 20 or better mpg. All for about 25k including the donor car.

  • avatar
    krayzie

    The solution is to dissolve the EU and remove the pedestrian safety laws for high hoodlines and get rid of all those bogus CO2 emission targets. Then you can have your high performance affordable sports car back without all these compromises. Just make sure you have enough cash in your pocket for one.

    • 0 avatar
      Felix Hoenikker

      FA, lets do it. Why is NA subject to euro design rules for pedestrian impact and elevation?

      • 0 avatar
        3Deuce27

        We build ‘World’ cars these days. And trade treaties(?), probably address the issue.

        If you all would quite running down pedestrians, and bikers, we wouldn’t have this car body deformation law to deal with. So stay off the damn sidewalks.

  • avatar
    davefromcalgary

    Supercharged 3800, 6 speed manual, LSD, GT bodystyle Fiero w/ modern interior and goodies.

    Someday.

    • 0 avatar
      davefromcalgary

      If I am talking modern, RX-8 with the GM 2.0 LSJ, 6 speed and LSD.

      The Pseudo 4 door design of that car is brilliant.

      • 0 avatar

        I agree. The extra doors and the usable rear seat are brilliant. But I want 2-3 inches more headroom.

        • 0 avatar

          But I would have been quite happy with the FR-S with more headroom, and a rear seat as usable as that in the RX-8. I suspect my sister’s airedale has trouble getting into the back of her FR-S.

        • 0 avatar
          George Herbert

          How big are you again, David? I’m 6’4.5″, and I have enough headroom in my RX-8 with the stock seats. Not enough for a helmet, but for normal driving…

          The wife’s RX-8 with the sunroof is a might bit tighter, though.

      • 0 avatar
        juicy sushi

        It’s the biggest what-if of the last 20 years I think. If Mazda had given that car an engine which didn’t drink gas, oil and spontaneously self-destruct then it would have been a much bigger success. I still see a ton of them around, and nothing like the same numbers of other contemporary “sporty/sports” cars from that time period.

        The idea was just about the ideal real-world enthusiast compromise. But the Renesis killed its chances. If only…

        • 0 avatar
          racer-esq.

          “The idea was just about the ideal real-world enthusiast compromise.”

          Exactly. *If* there is a place for the rotary in a modern car it is not a 3,000 pound, 4-door, 4-seat daily driver that should be stone cold reliable and get good mileage.

          Offering the rotary as an option on the 2,500 pound NC Miata would have been a much better call. Or at least making the rotary an option on the RX-8 and giving it the Miata engine standard.

          • 0 avatar
            juicy sushi

            In my head, I think the ideal (but blasphemous) marriage would be an F22C with the RX-8. Same power characteristics, just without the Renesis’ drawbacks. Not sure it’s particularly viable though.

      • 0 avatar
        redav

        I saw that V8 Roadsters is putting together kits for dropping both the LSx & LFX into the RX-8. Personally, I love the concept of a lightweight 320 hp / 280 lb-ft V6 in that car.

        • 0 avatar
          davefromcalgary

          I think one of the biggest considerations for any swap into a BRZ, Miata, RX-8, etc needs to be the weight of the transplant engine.

        • 0 avatar
          3Deuce27

          The LSx is cast iron ‘builder’ block, the better choice, is an LS, or LS3 iterations with the aluminum blocks and engine management systems.

          The LFx, is the corporate V-6, A good engine in its own right and available in a longitudinal orientation with a manual trans.

          We have looked at the transplant of an LS engine into the RX8, and it is doable, but a whole new rear sub-frame has to be designed and equipped with the Cadillac or Corvette differential, shafts, hubs, and suspension.

          • 0 avatar
            davefromcalgary

            I just meant in general.

            Thanks for the good info.

            Id never heard of the LFx before. I wasn’t aware that it was the 3.6.

            These days, the 3.6 Pentastar, DI 3.6 GM, coyote, Earth Dreams V6, Toyota 3.5L, any of the above would be fantastic in a lightweight RWD sports car.

          • 0 avatar
            3Deuce27

            @_ Dave,

            Your welcome.

            The LFX is now available, or soon will be, as an ‘LF3′ with 420Hp. It has ‘Twin-Turbos’ and is also configured with a Longitudinal orientation.

            We specialize in engine transplants, and particularly the LS transplants, though, we do anything, somebody is willing to foot the bill for.

            I buy (10) LS/LS376 crate engines at a time, and a few Fords. We have yet to do a MOPAR in recent times, but a personal pet project of that mien, could be in the works with 62′ or 65′ Valiant 2-dr hdtp receiving a 440″ Six Pac.

            I have a Ford ‘Aluminator’ on the shelf waiting for somebody to pull the trigger on it. The problem is, its cost, and fitment problems due to width. So only a few Ford RWDs(primarily, late Mustangs) are available to put that engine in without major surgery, all of which is expensive on top of a very high buck engine…$15,000

          • 0 avatar
            George Herbert

            Is there enough space for those transaxles?

            I haven’t completely mapped the underside of my RX-8, but when I was eyeballing / tape measuring for fun, it looked like I’d have to move frame metal to fit those in, in addition to a whole new suspension…

          • 0 avatar
            redav

            I’ve always interpreted “LSx” as the generic term for the LS family: LS1, LS3, LS4, etc.

          • 0 avatar
            wumpus

            @George Herbert
            As far as I know, all the the GM V8 “transaxles” have been standard longitudinal transmissions mated to differentials (Porsche used the same trick in the first water-cooled cars). No idea how it fits in an RX-8 (gods know what LSx torque would do to an RX-8 transmission), but it should go either side, just don’t think of it as a “transaxle” (unless you really want a LS4)

            This makes the transmission for midengine LSx kit cars cost something like three times the engine (the “cheap” transmissions came of Porsches, and that market is getting picked clean. It works better to get a Ford GT or similar transmission from the kit manufacturer (if you can’t, expect to pay through the nose).

            Speaking of which, I still think that a sufficiently light (I was arguing such on a site dedicated to cars similar to Atoms) car could be motivated by an LSx and use a slushbox (or possibly two) as a transmission (reverse would probably be electric, which would in turn require a nasty clutch mechanism depending on where the clutch and reverse motor connected).

            The point would be that without fancy aerodynamics(like on an exocar), you would have a fairly limited top speed (*with* fancy aerodynamics you might still be limited, assuming you had reasonable downforce to survive such speeds). The point being that LSxs should have sufficient torque to supply all the horsepower you would need at 40-130mph, and the slushbox takes care of the <40mph cases. Two slushboxes might be needed if using a 150mph or 175mph differential (it wouldn't have the match-the-flat-torque-to-wheel-friction simplicity, but if you put a decent fairing over your exocar you might want higher speeds).

      • 0 avatar
        MK

        Biggest problem is that it’s not a particularly lust-worthy design. More practical but certainly not as lovely as the last RX7.
        (former gen1 rx7 owner)

        • 0 avatar
          George Herbert

          I never really looked at RX-8s until my wife bought one; the rear end turned me off so badly…

          So, a challenge for the assembled masses: WTF do we do with the RX-8’s back end styling?…

        • 0 avatar
          3Deuce27

          @ George/Wumpus…

          The other transaxle option is, the Mendeola units, available for any power/torque output.

          http://ranchotransaxles.com/mendeola-transaxles.html

          And, again, the ‘LSx’ is a low compression, cast iron block for blown ‘builder’ applications.

          For big bang for the bucks, you can’t beat a Sevenesque V-8 LS376 vehicle. Very light weight(1,700pds.)
          Drag limited for top speed assaults, but acceleration is brutal, and handling is like a go cart…instantaneous.

          http://www.google.com/search?q=sevenesque&noj=1&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=84ARU56iL8rpoASoz4LAAg&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=927&bih=462

  • avatar
    juicy sushi

    I am experiencing schadenfraude noting who isn’t commenting on this.

    I’d be interested in seeing Honda attempt a Lamborghini Urraco equivalent using the fun parts from the upcoming Civic Type- R on a flipped Fit platform.

  • avatar
    racer-esq.

    Slow Car Fast: 1-liter, 3-cylinder EcoBoost Mustang.

  • avatar
    racer-esq.

    6.2 L LS3 V8 short bed regular cab Silverado with 6MT.

    • 0 avatar
      davefromcalgary

      I want so badly to find a 2003 Sonoma SLS stepside in not rusting condition. This is my ultimate coupe.

      The bodies just around holding up ’round these parts.

      • 0 avatar
        3Deuce27

        Here you go, Dave. http://monterey.craigslist.org/cto/4336675296.html

        • 0 avatar
          davefromcalgary

          Ah, sorry I wasn’t more specific.

          I am looking for an 02-04 Sonoma SLS Extended Cab, stepside box, ZQ8 suspension. Blue, black or burgandy, 4.3L, 5 speed, 2WD, full load with the power heated mirrors, keyless entry, and top spec radio with changer inputs so I can install the aux input…. and a solid body.

        • 0 avatar
          Atum

          203K? That’s a lot; it’d just be better buying a CPO Tacoma extended-cab for 17 grand or so. Reliability+ low miles= beneficial in the long run.

          • 0 avatar
            davefromcalgary

            Hey Atum,

            I don’t want the above described Sonoma as a dead nuts reliable daily driver.

            To my eye, that model stepside Sonoma, with the dished 5 spoke 16″ rims, a tonneau cover, box rails, dual exhaust, is truck eye candy. I think its perfectly proportioned. I want one because I really like them, used to have one even. Something for the weekends.

            The Tacoma isn’t a terrible truck by any means, but it doesn’t stir me the same way.

            Sadly, these trucks are getting more and more rare in good condition, especially where it snows.

            Deuce, what would you do as a fun engine swap into a Sonoma? I know SBC drop in pretty easy. Something else fun? Supercharged 3800, 6 speed?

            Here are a few pics of my old one:

            http://i749.photobucket.com/albums/xx140/dave_bernardin/06052010450_zps8b7145a0.jpg

            http://i749.photobucket.com/albums/xx140/dave_bernardin/06052010456_zps6b79b3b4.jpg

          • 0 avatar
            Atum

            Oh, I see why now. At first, I just thought you were casually buying one to go alongside your Verano, and were going to use it a lot.

            An engine swap could help a lot, however. New engine and tranny that haven’t gone through 200K, that’s good.

        • 0 avatar
          3Deuce27

          Oop’s! Not a ‘Step side’.

          • 0 avatar
            3Deuce27

            @_Dave “a fun engine swap into a Sonoma?”

            The previously mentioned ‘LFX’ with 312-326(?) plus Hp from a Camaro, would have to be a consideration. Just don’t know if it would fit between the struts.

            Or, are you speaking to the 3800 Series_3 supercharged or L32? That series, I believe, was only built in a transverse orientation, so that would be and issue along with interfacing the electronics. Always an issue in a modern transplant, even in a like, same make vehicles.

            The hardest part of transplanting and M5 V-8 into my 328is, was getting the instruments and computer hooked up and dialed in. The physical work of the engine, tranny, dif, was easy, had to call in one of those young puter programming nerds with BMW training to solve those issues. Thank you Jeff, now return my calls…please!

          • 0 avatar
            davefromcalgary

            What if you used the L36 3800 Series II out of a 4th gen Camaro. That was a longitudinal application. Then add the Eaton M90 supercharger as required. Finally, adapt a 6 speed to work? And of course make sure the Sonoma in question is equipped with the G80.

            I grew up on 3800 equipped cars. Its my favorite.

  • avatar
    racer-esq.

    Mitsubishi i-MiEV with the EVO motor out back.

    • 0 avatar
      juicy sushi

      I can source you a cheap Mitsubishi i donor if you don’t mind it being a 7-year old gas version from Japan. Low miles, stored in a barn…

      • 0 avatar
        racer-esq.

        I don’t want the feds crushing my sweet-ass ride.

        • 0 avatar
          juicy sushi

          If it was never registered for the street, and instead imported as a competition car for track use only, would the same rules apply?

          • 0 avatar
            racer-esq.

            http://www.nhtsa.gov/cars/rules/import/Racing/Racing.html

          • 0 avatar
            3Deuce27

            You can import any vehicle that is 25 years old, an older. 89′ and earlier.

            Time to shop some of those rare race and factory hotrods available only in Europe and elsewhere. Merc’ 500e, anyone.

          • 0 avatar
            juicy sushi

            I see potential loopholes under the temporary rules, but only with very lax staff doing the paperwork. Monday morning, Friday afternoon, and Christmas time could be your windows of opportunity.

          • 0 avatar
            juicy sushi

            Up here in Canada we only have a 15 year rule. I see R32 Skylines fairly regularly here. Someone even imported a Suzuki Cappucino.

        • 0 avatar
          3Deuce27

          Reg; “I don’t want the feds crushing my sweet-ass ride.”

          There was/is a small cottage industry installing and tuning imported JDM engines into
          NA market cars, particularly the Supra and Honda engines. Pass the physical ‘looks right’ and complete, and the instrumented test, and your home free.

          Used to have some young guys renting part of my shop doing just that. They produced some screaming Supra’s, the hood of one, I have hanging from the ceiling of my shop.

          They went for a test drive and blew by the shop at elevated triple digit speeds and the hood lifted off. Numb skulls didn’t bolt it on. Had to laugh, as I did the same thing in a Sting Ray some 35 years before. And so it goes…….

  • avatar
    racer-esq.

    Smart with a CLA 45 AMG engine out back.

  • avatar
    ccd1

    RX-8 body modified to be a hatchback with fold-down rear seats with a hybrid engine setup (electric motors at the wheels along with smaller engine to keep the 50/50 weight distribution, something like the power rumored for the next NSX)

    • 0 avatar
      redav

      What about just deleting the back seats, then?

      But I bet removing that structure would wreck the body’s stiffness.

      • 0 avatar
        George Herbert

        Sadly, I can attest that the seats fold down for long loads. I think the structure will take it…

        If your family cars are two RX-8s, you end up in a lot of “That’s not going to fit, is it?…” compromises…

  • avatar
    PrincipalDan

    Parts bin? Stick the 4.0ltr V6 from the Tacoma + TRD supercharger in the FRSBRZ. No room under the hood? Who needs a hood?

  • avatar
    Feds

    Transverse pentastar hooked to an undisclosed 6-speed in the back of a 2nd gen MR2.

  • avatar
    kvndoom

    Since I’m older…

    Fully loaded Camry V6, WITH A 6-speed STICK.

    Accord V6 coupe with upgraded leather, stereo, *everything* -> Acura CL reborn. 6MT required, not optional. Choice of FWD or AWD.

    6MT Holden Commodore, brand it whatever the fck you want.

  • avatar
    3Deuce27

    COL! Another car that JB dislikes intensely.

    I guess, I’m going to follow this ruse.

  • avatar
    Russycle

    Chrysler Town and Country with the Pentastar, AWD, and 6-speed manual to own the hi-po sport van market. Paint options must include flames. Possibly call it the Baruth Edition.

  • avatar
    MBella

    Miata chassis
    Honda Accord Coupe V6 mounted longitudinally (manual trans version with no vca)
    ZF 6-speed manual trans
    Volvo seats

    -Perfection

  • avatar
    05lgt

    Coyote in a Miata.

    • 0 avatar
      3Deuce27

      “Coyote in a Miata.” With its 29″ width(approx. 33″-34″ with headers), it won’t fit, or we would have already transplanted one. With a completely new suspension and front clip design, it would be possible, but costly.

      • 0 avatar
        juicy sushi

        I remember in the mid-1990s, when the Monster Miatas with the old 302 were first being done.

        Not the kind of car I’d want, but a fun example of how certain car memes are inevitable in their repetition. AC Ace/TVR/Sunbeam + American V8, Miata with a small block, SBC in anything…

        • 0 avatar
          3Deuce27

          V-8 Miata’s are almost common these days. At the Danville, CA, mid week cruise-in, I have seen a Miata with a 572″ Chevy engine. A bit of over kill, I would say. I have also seen that engine in a 280SL.

          We just started one, an ‘NA’, with a Cobra ‘R’ engine(351″). The cleanest installation, is an LS using either the Ford T-Bird Dif, or Cadillac/Corvette Dif.

          There is, an almost indiscernible change in handling when the aluminum V-8’s are employed.

          http://www.autoweek.com/article/20130904/carreviews/130909932

          http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews/driven/1311_v_8_roadsters_flyin_miata_habu_and_shelby_amercian_cobra_csx8000/

        • 0 avatar
          3Deuce27

          Reg; “Is there enough space for those transaxles?”

          Transaxle Corvettes started with the C5, Frank. We use the C4 and CTS units. The problem with the transaxle units, is the length of the propeller housing, which is a fixed length and a direct and fixed bolt on between the engine and transaxle. Essentially a continuous solid unit just like the old Fords and others with ‘closed’ drivelines, before the ‘open’ drive shaft became common.

          Would love to use the transaxle with its new eLSD(2015), but you have to use it in a vehicle with around the same layout and wheelbase of the Corvette.

          • 0 avatar
            3Deuce27

            Just compared the Wheelbase of the RX8 to a C5, and the RX8, is about two inches longer, so a complete C5 drivetrain could be used in the RX8. You would lose the back seat, but what a hot rod.

            There are a lot of RX8’s on the road and getting quite cheap, a situation that lends itself for consideration for a transplant.

            The RX8 has cried for a conventional ICe unit to replace the problematic rotary. It is such a sweet handling car, but the thirsty rotary has kept me at a distance.

            An MS unit would be an ideal transplant if it had been configured in a longitudinal orientation. As transverse unit, a number of issues would have to solved. Somebody will probably put together a kit for an L4 MS unit. Myself, I would do an LS transplant, but probably wouldn’t kit it.

            We have transplanted LS engines into Gen-2/3 RX7’s. Very satisfying combo’s, especially the Gen-3.

            The Gen-3 with the LS376, is quite a capable car in all regimes. I would put it up against just about any of the current Super cars. It wouldn’t best them, but it would be right there with them for Penney’s on the dollar.

    • 0 avatar
      05lgt

      thanks for the links Deuce. I’m so glad I don’t have big dollars sitting around right now. Those look insanely, exactly what I’m talking about, fun.

  • avatar
    Quentin

    Legacy 3.6L in a BRZ. 2GR-FSE in an FR-S.

    I’d still buy one of the twins as is for $8k less, though. Even if a turbo version of the twins shows up, I’ll still stick with the 2.0. $25k is as much as I could justify on a toy. A $3k supercharger out of warranty would quench any thirst for more power.

    I usually don’t like to mix brands, but a Honda Civic Si engine in a Miata Clubsport would be a riot.

  • avatar
    Truckducken

    Until my dream of cramming a LSx in a 2CV comes to pass, I’ll settle for a BMW 3.0 six in the 86. (A Supra six is too obvious.) Hoping it requires radical mods for the radiator fit.

    For the numerically, and GM, inclined: two 4.3’s would add up to 8.6…

  • avatar
    sportyaccordy

    They should have made the engine 2.5L and used as many trim parts as possible from the Corolla

  • avatar
    bball40dtw

    Just give me a Fusion with the 3.5EB and AWD. Please.

  • avatar
    Compaq Deskpro

    Fully loaded Lincoln Town Car, with the supercharged GT500 engine, auto trans, and 2.73 rear end gears. Must have the brougham roof.

  • avatar
    ajla

    Pretty much a Reatta but RWD.

    Maybe a Fox body with the SHO V6.

    Scion tC with the V6 out of the IS250.

    To cheat with some sedans: Oldsmobile 88 LSS with the W41 version of the Quad4 and a 5-speed manual along with a Lucerne using the supercharged 3800.

  • avatar
    The Heisenberg Cartel

    Ooh ooh ooh, can I try?

    Dodge Caravan SRT6, Maserati Ghibli engine
    Toyobaru with CLA45 engine
    E46 with a Coyote 5.0 or C32 AMG engine
    Chrysler 300 with Dodge Viper V10 because duh
    AWD Ford Taurus with GT500 engine
    Hyundai Genesis Coupe with Tau 5.0
    RWD Acura Integra or Honda Prelude, any generation

    And my coupe de grace…
    Toyota Supra with the Toyota Century V12.

  • avatar

    C7 Corvette with a supercharged Blue Flame Six. Putting an LS into an old Vette is hardly clever anymore.

    • 0 avatar
      3Deuce27

      Never was ‘clever’, Ronnie, just iconic American Hot Rodding. And the LS gives you a modern, high output, 50 state/EPA legal car that can deliver decent fuel mileage. I have a feeling Duntov and Shelby, rolled over in their graves after your comment.

      We won’t build anything for the street that isn’t 50 state legal.

      Love old Sixes, Fords, Jimmies, Hudsons, and Slant Sixes. Used to race a gasser with an injected 300″ Ford in a Falcon, and hung with the older guys running the Chevies and Jimmy sixes, one an NHRA world record holder, the ‘Little Brown Jug’. But, old American sixes are period engines, nice to see in an old pick-up or era car.

      The sound of a split manifold six with Hollywoods or Cherry Bombs, is damn near as nice as a V-8 sounding off through the gears. Nostalgic, for sure.

      • 0 avatar

        It’s just that the modern V8 in an old car has been done so many times, even if it makes a lot of sense. I like oddball engine swaps, like the Viper V10 powered Rolls Royce at the Autorama last year. I sort of got the idea while looking at Ken Lingenfelter’s collection. He’s got the “Duntov mule”, the first experimental V8 powered Corvette, along with a ’54 that McCullough superchargers bought and put one of their blowers on, hoping to sell the idea to GM, but the V8 Corvette in 1955 mooted that idea.

        • 0 avatar
          3Deuce27

          here’s an oddball swap that got my undivided attention, Ronnie.

          Local guy put an VW Bug engine into the front of a Bug. He was able to do that using a Porsche 924 transmission. Now that was ‘clever’. Not only that, he puts big miles on this rig, driving two to three hundred miles to car events, along with using it as daily transportation.

  • avatar

    - Australian Ford Falcon with a Coyote 5.0 and 6MT swapped in, kitted out with something resembling the interior from a Lincoln MKS. Badged, of course, as a Mercury Caliente.

    – Buick Regal GNX — the result of a marriage between an Opel Insignia OPC and the 3.6L, 420hp Cadillac VSport engine.

    – Supercharged Northstar engine from the STS-V mounted transversely in an AWD 2014 Impala…call it the SS.

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    If we’re looking at out-of-production stuff (leaping into the truly bizarre)…

    Oldsmobile LSS with the power/drivetrain from the Northstar-equipped Bonneville GXP (probably not that difficult a swap to do, actually).

    M-Body Chrysler LeBaron wagon with upgraded suspension/steering/brakes and either the 3.6 Pentastar or the 5.7 Hemi engine

    1990-91 Mercury Colony Park with as many parts as possible swapped in from a newer CVPI. Drop in 5.0 Coyote engine, or a 3.7 EcoBoost from an F150. Full leather interior and turbine wheels are de rigeur.

    First-generation Subaru Legacy Outback Limited (seriously, classic case of model bloat — those things are tiny) fitted out with the 296hp 2.0 turbo FA20 engine and associated accoutrements. Black and gold two-tone. Stick, natch.

  • avatar
    dal20402

    It shocks me how many of you want to ruin the weight distribution and CoG of a car whose whole reason for being is weight distribution and low CoG.

    I want a sedan. I’ll take a car with the layout (and legroom) of an F30 3-series, but engineered by Honda rather than BMW, with a longitudinally mounted J35 and 6MT. It would be way more reliable than an actual BMW, have just as good dynamics, and be 400 pounds lighter.

    • 0 avatar
      davefromcalgary

      I try and give CG some thought, which is why I suggest a supercharged Ecotec as my preferred engine swap for an RX8. Its a small engine and I hope it wouldn’t ruin the balance terribly.

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    3Deuce27

    Getting back to JB’s original challenge.. For myself, it almost already exists, or it does, the Genesis Coupe with the turbo four is the ‘Almost car, and the FRS/BRZ is the ‘Already’ car. The Genesis just needs to lose about 4-500 pounds and finesse a few easy things, like the shifter, suspension, and brakes, all things provided for in the after market, except the weight reduction.

    Regarding JB’s posit of the RX8/MS power. The RX8 isn’t exactly light, either, but it has a few less pounds(200) then a the four cylinder Genesis, and about 400 pounds more then the Twins. The MS engine, a transverse configuration power plant, would have to have considerable issues resolved to orient it to the longitudinal configuration and then you would have to address the transmission application.

    The RX8 with an LS engine, would weigh about the same as a Genesis 2.0 ‘T’, but would have a slightly higher CG and about a 100 more pounds on the front axle, which its 106″ wheelbase could accommodate, easily. With the LS it could have as much as 530 naturally aspirated Hp for P/W of about (6) pounds per Hp. More power per pound then a new C7.

    The Twins with about 60 pounds of additional turbo works, would give the performance some want, with light weight centering around a low CG. But darn… it would have the pesky and unacceptable ‘Base’ Subie engine.

    Since I pretty much don’t care about a back seat, I’m not one to comment on a build that requires one per the implied rules, which like most today in marketing and auto pundit jobs, abuses the term, ‘Coupe’.

    Did Ferrari and Porsche, ever call their cars coupes. Nope! It was ‘Sports Car’ Or ‘GT’. Even Berlinetta means ‘saloon’/sedan.

    Ok! Enough shaking the tree for one day…col!

  • avatar
    delux

    Start with a BMW 116i. Add any current BMW V8 turbo engine and a 6MT.

  • avatar
    ant

    I say, take a manual v6 Accord coup, add the all wheel drive system from the 2012 TL, hydraulic power steering from any older Accord, a real old school throttle cable, and double wishbone suspension.

    Add in some good seats, and a good stereo.

    Would that work?

  • avatar
    Lorenzo

    I’d settle for my old brown Dodge Dart wagon, with a 318 replacing the slant six, and discs replacing the drum brakes. Oh, and 32 cent gas.

  • avatar
    seanx37

    amripley nailed it. A Regal with the turbo 3.6 and awd. Of course, that would make the upcoming GN/GNX pointless.

  • avatar
    mkirk

    Oh yeah, here we go
    First gen Miata with the twin turbo wankel from the RX7
    1988 Thunderbird Turbo Coupe with the Lotus Esprit turbo
    early pinto with a built 2.3 turbo
    Toyota Corolla with the Celica GT-S six speed hooked to the Lotus Elise version of the Toyota 4 cylinder for daily driving
    My wife’s hyundai Tucson appliance with the 2.0 turbo crate motor dropped in.
    Jeep Wrangler with the Eco-Diesel due in the Ram.
    Ford Tempo with the SHO V6
    Malaise era Celica with an LS-400 v8
    Model T with the nuclear reactor from the Ford Nucleon concept.

    • 0 avatar
      DanyloS

      The Corolla happened.
      In the mid 2000’s Toyota made the Corolla XRS (basically it had the Celica GT-S drive train: 6sp manual and 180hp motor). I dated a girl that owned one. Few sold, people buying new corollas realistically aren’t seeking a “performance” vehicle.

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    Zykotec

    -1. Lightweight ILX coupe(slap a ‘beak’ on the SI, we don’t care what it’ll look like), with a hi-revving K-series, the K-series is closely related to the old S2000 engine, so anything less than 240 hp out of a 2.4 is a tragedy with an extra 15 years of tech on it.
    -2. Why can’t we get a Boss Mustang with the GT-500 engine?
    -3. A long list of other stuff (medium sized or bigger)with the GT500 engine in it…and a list of tiny things with F20C-style K24’s in them…
    oh, and maybe not related, but faux wood-paneling on the Flex would be cool…

  • avatar
    AndyZ4MR

    @3Deuce27, how difficult/expensive do you think it would be to transplant an LS3 engine (or better yet, an LS7) in a BMW Z4? I always thought the Z4 drove very well, but American V8 power and sound is addictive. I know it’s been done, I’m just curious…

    • 0 avatar
      3Deuce27

      @ Andy…

      This is physically doable swap, but the interfacing of the electronics would be a big issue… maybe insurmountable if a stock appearing instrumentation is required. And there are other drive-ability issues that make the swap an unlikely scenario. Everything computational, is so tied into the engine management and vehicle dynamic assists, that it is quite daunting to impossible to manage it all in a swap.

      Very ‘difficult’ and very ‘expensive’.

      Now if you back up a bit to the early Z3’s, we would have a successful launch.

      Now a 630i/633csi/635csi? That is a highly desirable swap, one I’m up for. Estimated cost excluding vehicle_ $20-$25,000 depending.

      https://www.google.com/search?noj=1&biw=927&bih=462&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=bmw+635csi&oq=bmw+63&gs_l=img.1.0.0l10.953221.957607.0.960299.6.6.0.0.0.0.141.524.4j2.6.0….0…1c.1.36.img..0.6.524.cV2LrLOlyPM

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    kuponoodles

    Nissan : Put the vq37 work in the Juke’s AWD, stretch put the nose but keep the rear seats and trunk.

    Ford, let Mazda do the interior of the Mustang.
    Mazda, use a Ford v8 in the rx8, make it fit.

  • avatar
    DanyloS

    Porsche should re-issue the original 911 body with obvious safety updates and general modernization, use the water cooled 2.7 (for 250-275hp) out of the boxster/cayman. Call it a 911 Classic or Retro or something. Sell it starting at $40k and print money. Most of the tooling/engineering was paid off 40+ yrs ago and obviously demand exists when people are paying $350k+ for a Singer 911. Porsche has already admitted that Singer is a pain in its side because they’d like to capitalize on the older 911’s again

    Also as mentioned above somewhere. BRZ/FRS with the Subaru 3.0 or 3.6 flat-6 (that’s about 250-265hp) and the price should have been closer to $20k

  • avatar
    imag

    Porsche Cayman GT3 RS 4.0

    At under $35K, I’ll take two.


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