By on February 28, 2014

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I’m known for dumping on wagons constantly, but I think it’s important to understand the difference between what I report on, and my own tastes. Take, for example, this car, the Jaguar XFR-S Sportbrake.

This car is basically irrelevant. We’re not going to get it in North America. It will be sold in limited quantities in Europe, and nobody would actually buy it in any meaningful numbers here. From a business standpoint for North America, it’s a non-starter.

And I love it. Now that the E63 AMG is all-wheel drive, where else can you get a blown V8 putting down 550 horsepower in a station wagon body?

 

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85 Comments on “I Don’t Care About The Mercedes-Benz E63 Wagon Anymore...”


  • avatar
    bunkie

    “where else can you get a blown V8 putting down 550 horsepower in a station wagon body?”

    At your Cadillac dealer as the CTS-V wagon lives on for the 2014MY.

    • 0 avatar

      Very good answer, my good Sir. Someone ought to link Derek’s mistake to the anti-GM cabal at TTAC. :)

      • 0 avatar
        bunkie

        As a CTS wagon owner, my one function around here is to remind Derek that people do buy them.

        If it weren’t for the fact that I live in Manhattan (where we are threatened with 20mph speed limits) and drive to the boonies every single weekend (average of 300 miles RT), I’d be incredibly happy with a CTS-V wagon. Just this weekend, I got a tile saw in the back so that I could finish up my bathroom remodel. Last week, I had the vanity, tile, paint and other supplies in the back. And, as I’ve said before, it doesn’t handle like a CUV or SUV.

    • 0 avatar
      Atum

      Speaking of E63 wagons and CTS-V wagons, Doug’s old CTS-V wagon is still listed at IAAI.

      • 0 avatar
        tralls

        The CTS-V Wagon does not come in AWD and it is not even in the same class in terms of luxury accoutrements.

        • 0 avatar
          css28

          That wasn’t the question.

          • 0 avatar
            tralls

            You’re right, the question was where can you get a 550hp blown V8. That said, the whole sentence doesn’t make a lot of sense because it started with a reference to an E63 and that is not a blown engine, it is turbocharged. The CTS-V and Jag are blown engines. The main point of the question seems to focus more on the 550hp v-8 and less on how it is achieved. I would suggest an RS6 Avant for those in Europe who prefer turbos over a blower.

  • avatar

    Kind of like the Alfa Romeo 156 Sportswagon, right Derek? A SW whose trunk was smaller than the sedan’s. At this point and at this rate SWs are but a fashion statement for some Europeans.

  • avatar
    raresleeper

    Gotta love the combination of wagon and high-performance.

    I’d even take a low-mileaged Volvo V70R, if any low-mileaged examples still exist…

    • 0 avatar
      cpthaddock

      Try an Ecoboost Flex … granted the extra 60 ish HP and 100 lb ft of torque over the V70R have an additional 1000lbs to move, but slow it is not.

      • 0 avatar
        Swedish

        You can get a V60 R-Design and the bigger XC70 with the the 325HP/354LB of torque Polestar tune – both are quick; The V60 Polestar will be available very soon with even more power and improved suspension tuning compared to the V60 R-Design.

      • 0 avatar
        alsorl

        I was about to type the same. The Ecoboost Flex is a great ride. A 1/3 the price and Ford dealers in every town. Engine and drive train seems almost linear with little turbo lag.If the Jaguar breaks try and get your Jaguar dealer to figure out what is wrong and actually fix it the car. Even with the E63 your MB dealer will be able to fix the car.

        • 0 avatar
          PrincipalDan

          Shopping for my next car I have been amazed that while the Flex has not really been a sales success for Ford the prices of the used models are quite high.

          Is it scarcity? Is a vehicle that is not attractive always to new car buyers more attractive to used car buyers?

          • 0 avatar
            MRF 95 T-Bird

            I don’t know why the Flex does not get enough love. It seems well packaged. I happen to like the fact that it’s seems more wagon like than it’s competitors in the 3 row class such as the Pilot or Highlander and it seems low and leaner unlike a minivan which it also competes against.

          • 0 avatar
            alsorl

            The Flex twin turbo ecoboost is a total sleeper. My neighbor has the base v6 and absolutely loves the flex. No issues with almost 60000 miles.
            I think 2015 could be the last year for the flex.

          • 0 avatar
            360joules

            I know 3 people who own Flexes (spelling?). 2 are conquest sales from CamCords and one from a Dodge minivan. They are non-enthusiasts who brag at length about their vehicles when asked. One wanted a “Volvo wagon like they used to make but then I discovered the Flex.” Maybe this kind of fervor creates demand?

          • 0 avatar

            Flex buyers are an odd bunch with truly missionary zeal about their Flexes. They simultaneously understand that many consider them visually unattractive (their spouses always HATE how it looks), yet will try to convert anyone they encounter into buying a Flex.

            We wholesale a LOT of FoMoCo products, so I’ll often take a Flex as my demo because as a big, comfy, luxuriously-appointed domestic, its right up my alley. I have literally been approached at gas stations and the like by people who own Flexes who ask if I just bought it and how do I like it and don’t I just LOVE how much room there is and how it rides how it reminds them of their old Volvo wagon/Ford estate wagon/those old Woodies/a VW Bus (????) and how its perfect for the kids and how the rear fridge is great for the kids and do I have kids and if I had kids we could all meet up with our respective kids and Flexes and hang out and talk about Flexes and OMGZ FLEX!!!!

            If Ford ever pulled a Saturn and organized a Flex homecoming, the Oakville Plant parking lot would be 100% full every year…

            By contrast, the one time I took an MKT, the only comment I received was from my father, which was, “Who makes that? Lincoln? Looks like s**t.”

          • 0 avatar
            CoreyDL

            I’ve noticed this too. If I were to get a Flex I’d be picky about colors and trim options as well, so I don’t think I’d be satisfied very easily.

            But I did see a ’12 Flex Titanium in upper-half black and lower-half silver with a black grille, and it was BOMB-ASS COOL.

          • 0 avatar
            bball40dtw

            Corey-

            Many of the Ford management leases as of late have been Flex Limited Ecoboosts. There are plenty in the Detroit area loaded up just right; two tone with the black roof and wheels. They all came out of Explorer Sport leases.

          • 0 avatar
            CoreyDL

            Very nice, when I have more garage I can have more car(s).

        • 0 avatar
          alsorl

          @ flybrian . So true the MKT looks like a prototype gone bad. Dealers down in florida were taking $15000 off sticker for the MKT.

  • avatar
    DevilsRotary86

    “I’m known for dumping on wagons constantly”

    I really don’t think you dump on wagons constantly. You throw a bucket of cold, wet, reality, in the faces of wagon fans. For better or worse, the business case for a station wagon in this country is very dim and you are quite honest about that. Nothing more, nothing less.

    Signed,
    An unashamed not-a-wagon fan

  • avatar
    krhodes1

    I much prefer the standard Sportbrake – without all the added aggression bodykit. Make mine a diesel.

    While the hot version will certainly be sold in limited numbers, I expect the ‘cooking’ version to take a big chunk of the sedans numbers on the other side of the pond.

    I really don’t get the sedan fascination in anything smaller than an S-class. 2-box is so much more useful. If you are going to be impractical, go all the way and drive a prettier 2dr.

    • 0 avatar
      vlangs

      Yes of course, a diesel wagon, how “alternative” of you.

      • 0 avatar
        krhodes1

        Hardly. It’s the practical choice, just like a wagon is the practical choice. And I have owned a number of diesel wagons in the past. I have no need of a car that goes 0-60 in the blink of an eye, but I would like it to be nice to drive, comfortable, and 35-40mpg with huge range would be a nice bonus. I’d have a 328d wagon in the garage now if BMW would stop being stupid about the available configurations. And even at that, my resolve is slowly loosening.

      • 0 avatar
        piro

        I always find this kind of comment mildly amusing, because in Europe, a manual, diesel estate car is absolutely ridiculously common, and in no way an alternative choice.

  • avatar
    Ryoku75

    I don’t care for shooting brakes nor wagons anymore, I’m tired of all the hype around them.

    • 0 avatar
      Dweller on the Threshold

      Do I ever agree with this. The Portlandia / Brooklyn faux affinity for “shooting brakes” is so worn out. Look how I’m forced to use ironic quotation marks.

      Damn. So tired and angry about this.

  • avatar
    Kenmore

    “I Don’t Care About The Mercedes-Benz E63 Wagon Anymore”

    Hey… me either!

    Twins!

  • avatar
    Davekaybsc

    Uh, what about the CLS AMG Shooting Brake?

  • avatar
    Kendahl

    In 1998, we bought new a Subaru Legacy GT wagon with a 5-speed manual transmission. The GT wagon is no longer available. The closest thing to it is an Outback with the 2.5 liter engine and a (better) 6-speed manual transmission. A few years ago, there was a version of the wagon with a turbocharged engine.

    If I were limited to one automobile, it would be a wagon like our Subaru. A wagon provides substantially more cargo hauling capability than a sedan or coupe, although less than an SUV or van, while sacrificing little in the way of performance or handling. When we bought a Focus SE last year, it was the hatchback, which is sort of a wagon, not the sedan. (A Focus ST is 90% as good as my Infiniti G37S coupe at 60% of the price.)

    After 16 years and 236k miles, we continue repairing our Subaru because we haven’t found a direct replacement. Audi no longer makes the A4 wagon or any Avant models. BMW only has the 3-series sports wagon.

    • 0 avatar
      Varezhka

      Isn’t the current Impreza closer in size to the 1998 Legacy? A bit shorter but a little wider. We’ll have to hope for the Levorg to come stateside if we want the extra cargo capacity (and power).

      A4 Avant actually had less practical cargo space than most compact hatch, so I don’t think you’re really missing much.

    • 0 avatar
      galloping_gael

      +1
      This.

  • avatar
    arun

    I’d truly buy one of this if I had the means, and if they sold one here…been wanting a Jag ever since Ian Cullum’s redesign, and this one is perfect!

  • avatar
    dal20402

    Wagons have become so styled as to become useless. The cargo areas are tapered even more than today’s sedan trunks, resulting in very small capacity and tiny hatch openings.

    Wagons have three big disadvantages over sedans: more weight, more noise, and (worst) the inability to hide cargo without a fussy and attention-grabbing cargo cover. I can’t be bothered to prefer a wagon to its sedan stablemate despite those issues unless it actually has more space for cargo, which wagons like the one pictured above really don’t.

    My Forester is a CUV rather than a wagon, but it’s actually boxy and has an enormous hatch opening. Because of that shape, the practicality is in fact worth the noise and the inability to leave anything in the car without turning it into a break-in magnet.

    • 0 avatar
      Ryoku75

      I find it weak when even my Volvo 240 sedan carries more cargo than a modern wagon.

    • 0 avatar
      krhodes1

      I don’t disagree with you about the styling. I would prefer a bit more square in the back of my 3-series. But it still holds FAR more than the sedan would. I brought home a fully assembled large gas grill in it last year. It also holds a lot more computer equipment than could ever be held in a sedan. An X3 would hold more, but is nothing like as good to drive. A wagon IS a compromise, but not as much of one as a sedan, which apes the old practice of strapping a steamer trunk to the back of the car in style.

      As for the disadvantages – for my car at least, the weight difference is ~100lbs, and a bunch of it is in the standard equipment panoramic double-sunroof. But the weight distribution is better. It is certainly no noisier than the sedan or coupe. And the cargo cover is anything but fiddly, and works very well. Though my Saab 9-5 had a better one, as it was strong enough to act as a load divider.

      • 0 avatar
        Ryoku75

        BMWs one of the few companies who could still get wagons down without sloping the back too much (thats for another model), every other modern wagon is more Magnum than Family Truckster.

        You’re right on sedans being a compromise, given the choice I may’ve gotten a wagon, but I couldn’t say no to a well kept, low mileage 240 sedan. With how much power these have and my regular commute I’ll take a hit in practicality if it makes merging easier.

        This isn’t to say that I generally praise sedans, give me a Golf anyday over a Jetta. With todays “sporty”, coupe like styling cues and minimum overhang sedans are a bit unnecessary below the Camry sized segment. And in an era of foo much acoustic tuning, we can certainly make cars quiet enough to where a wagons noise is a non-issue.

    • 0 avatar
      WhiskerDaVinci

      What wagon actually holds less than their sedan counterpart? They still have taller cargo areas in the back, even with some sloping and tapering. Last time I checked, a Volvo V70/XC70 holds a heck of a lot more than an S80. Same with the V60 compared to the S60. V60, 43.8 cubic feet. S60, 12 cubic feet. V70/XC70, 72.1 cubic feet. S80, 14.9 cubic feet. E350 Wagon, 57.4 cubic feet. E350 Sedan, 15.9 cubic feet. That’s…quite a difference in capacities. Plus CUVs have higher load heights, which is relevant to bring up as well. If you need to put something heavy into your CUV, it’s going to be harder to get it in there than a wagon. I’ve heard people complain about how it can be hard to get heavier items into their crossovers sometimes.

      Tons of CUVs have sloped and tapered hatches as well. Subaru is one who builds their wagons/CUVs to be more usable than the competition. Not every CUV is like that. Plus…a Forester really is a wagon wearing hiking boots, it really isn’t a CUV just because Subaru says it is. Especially the first and second versions of it. They were wagons.

      Wagons in Europe are hugely popular. Here, it’s less actual actual practicality, and more thinking that wagons and minivans aren’t cool. Ask someone why they don’t want a wagon or a van, and they rarely say space, they almost always say “wagons and vans are for old people”. That’s what I’ve heard while I sold cars, and what almost everyone else I know who’s worked in car sales has heard as well. It’s marketing and image for most.

      Most people don’t use their Suburban for all of it’s hauling and practicality, same with pickups. It’s just CUVs tend to be far more socially acceptable these days comparatively. It’s why turbo V6s are showing up in trucks and suvs these days, because practicality and hauling abilities are less important than people actually admit. It’s why Mercedes and BMW sell more 6 cylinder SUVs than V8 ones, image, not practicality.

  • avatar
    seth1065

    As a wagon fan and owner this does nothing for me, on looks alone the new Volvo wagon I saw yesterday from the Geneva autoshow looked better.

  • avatar
    Flybrian

    Where are all you slobbering, panting, hard-on-nursing wagonphiles when I actually pull the trigger on one of these things at the sale, sit on it for 120 days, drive BACK it to the same sale – like a DUMBASS – and lose $800?

  • avatar
    cargogh

    I had two old 740 wagons back to back. I loved them because I could fit a DeWalt tablesaw, 10″ miter saw, nailers, and a Craftsman twin-tank compressor along with assorted tools and clothes to be gone a week. I’ve had ladders, drywall, plywood etc., strapped to the roof and it was low enough to get to it. But now the car is 27 yrs old and worn out. I’m not sure what to get for replacement to actually hold anything, and have the ability to put the seats back up for passengers and be a car. If I were in the position to buy the Merc, the Jag, or the CTS, V or not, I doubt I would be hauling tools.

    • 0 avatar
      FuzzyPlushroom

      You can’t even get an extended-cab pickup truck with a reasonably low bed, unless you dig through 2wd Tacomas and Frontiers… and while those get 740-like fuel economy, they aren’t going to handle as well or be as comfortable, especially for more than two, so you’ll still want a car too.

      I guess your option is a used Subaru Legacy/Outback.

    • 0 avatar
      krhodes1

      This is an easy one. Get a nice lightweight aluminum enclosed trailer. Then you won’t have to unload your tools in-between jobs, and you can carry tools and people at the same time. Get an 8′ one and you can put the sheet goods inside too.

  • avatar

    All of this could easily be solved if Chrysler would simply bring back the Dodge Magnum.

    Sure the E63 is faster, but it’s also twice as expensive and not as big for doing those things that…ya’ know… wagons are good for.

    Like HAULING STUFF.

    And that’s why I’m so happy to see the CTS-V Wagon die.

    You build a small/expensive/impractical car?
    I want you to suffer.

    • 0 avatar
      WhiskerDaVinci

      Because most truck and SUV drivers actually use them properly. Same with Range Rovers and other luxury SUV owners actually go off road.

      I never see full size trucks and SUVs full of stuff, or hauling stuff. I always see one or two people in them, loaded up in luxury equipment that makes the interior too fragile to get dirty. Because a Navigator or Escalade is going to go off road, get dirty an haul stuff. With all of that leather, “wood” and electronic stuff that can’t get wet, muddy or even dusty. They’re vanity buys sold for posturing, not utility.

  • avatar
    Kyree S. Williams

    I can’t say that I agree. There’s something honest and truly blueblooded about the E63 wagon. Everyone’s mother might be shopping the GL-Class, but we all know that the E-Class wagon is where the real money is, and the E63 wagon is the ultimate expression of such. This Jaguar, however, is totally out of alignment with the brand’s character and simply looks like it’s trying too hard, as does the XFR-S sedan. Unlike the F-Type and Jaguar’s other performance vehicles, this one makes such an effort to be a high-strung enthusiast vehicle that it actually betrays the brand’s reputation for stateliness and refined British luxury. And don’t say anything about me needing to “expand my definition of what a Jaguar is”, because I’ve done that. This is just something that has been taken too far. The XFR-S is what I would expect from Audi or BMW, and I really can’t take it seriously as a Jaguar, to tell you the truth. It is a midlife-crisis on wheels.

    • 0 avatar
      krhodes1

      I mostly agree with you, other than I think the E63 is just as much a mid-life crisis mobile as the Jaguar. Why would you need any more power than an E350? Just silly and bit childish really, and wagons are not cars for the childish.

      I definitely agree about the XFR-S being waaay too aggressive to be a Jaguar. What ever happened to “Grace, space, and pace”? It has the latter two attributes, but graceful it is not. Probably rides harshly too!

  • avatar
    VenomV12

    This is nice, very nice. They always claim wagons won’t sell, especially ones like this but my local Benz dealer has had at least 3 of the new E63s in, one was a wagon and they all went almost instantly. I remember reading somewhere that E63 buyers are the wealthiest car buyers out there, wealthier than even Ferrari or Lamborghini buyers. I have no doubt this would sell, they should bring it here, I bet it would sell, M5 wagon also.

  • avatar
    Athos Nobile

    To be honest with you, I’ve never cared much about the Merc. However, if the C63 is any indication, it must sound absolutely beautiful. I do like the current C63.

    We were seeing this thing yesterday… and the discussion went in particular on how similar is the profile of the Jag compared to the Commodore… and also the 550HP…

    In Europe you would need to be filthy rich to afford it. I don’t want to even imagine the taxes for 5.0 litres and easily 300+ gr/km CO2 emissions + a heavy drinking habit of 98 @ $2+/litre. Here, you would need to be merely rich or well off… but I think it won’t come here either.

    But… this is way more cost effective, and I could live without 100HP or the badge snobbery (although I’d probably miss the pommy interior) http://tinyurl.com/l9u2kbf

    • 0 avatar
      Maymar

      Sadly, the C63 is using the old N/A 6.2L V8, while this E63 has moved on to a turbo 5.5L V8. It doesn’t have quite the same ferocious bark. Not that that would stop me from buying one in the highly unlikely event I could afford a $100k+ car.

  • avatar
    FJ60LandCruiser

    I had an old 5series wagon that I obtained from my mom for about 10k after thoroughly destroying my late 80s Caprice wagon.

    Drove the hell out of it, put more than 250k miles on the clock.

    Awesome highway bomber that would take 4 large humans and mountain bike/snowboarding cargo anywhere we wanted to go.

    Wanted to buy a new one when the old one bit it. BMW told me they didn’t make wagons anymore.

    Now that I’m in my late 30s an affordable large luxury wagon still sounds appealing, but no one makes them. And no one in this country will buy a super sport version of one.

    Don’t the AMGs and CTS-V wagons sell a few hundred examples, max, put together?

    • 0 avatar
      Sam P

      “Wanted to buy a new one when the old one bit it. BMW told me they didn’t make wagons anymore.”

      BMW has sold a 3-series wagon almost continuously in the United States from 2001-present with 2013 (IIRC) being the only model year gap.

    • 0 avatar
      WhiskerDaVinci

      What about an XC70? That’s a proper luxury wagon that’ll do what your old BMW did. The Volvo is probably a smidge bigger even then the 5-Series. They’re every bit as nice inside, safer, cheaper to insure and maintain as well.

      They exist, you just have to look a bit harder.

  • avatar
    3Deuce27

    Love ‘Long roofs’, always have. More value and utility for the money then the oh to common and pathetic, appliance 4-dr sedan.

    That Jag is a pretty one… and tempting. Anybody interested in a 2002 5-series BMW Touring/wagon with an M5 drive train and parts. Pristine condition with a manual transmission and it sounds so sweet driving through the city canyons or grabbing gears in the mountains. If your careful, you can get a bit over 20 MPG on a trip. And, you are guaranteed too have the only one at your local BMW or Cars & Coffee meet.

    Oh! Never mind. Can’t buy the Jag in NA, anyhow… drats!

    I have only owned two 4-drs in a long life of auto ownership. The first a much loved and used and long gone 1941 Cadillac 62-series, and my exquisite 65′ Jag 3.8 MK11, which still welcomes me behind the wheel.

  • avatar
    3Deuce27

    Or.. how about this… http://thedailyturismo.kinja.com/paul-newmans-supercharged-v8-volvo-wagon-up-for-sale-1474296483

    Never mind, Wayne Carini bought it.

  • avatar
    Big Al from Oz

    Maybe Derek would has taken to a Chev SS wagon based on the HSV Clubsport R8 Estate.

    It would give muscle car like performance, with a chassis that can handle quite well.

  • avatar
    Big Al from Oz

    @Derek Kriendler
    I have tried on several occasions to contact you guys, but to no avail.

    Here’s an interesting article for TTAC.

    It would get some interest.

    Oh, this is also a great site. It gives you an idea where economic activity is globally just by transport infrastructure.

    http://www.worldhighways.com/sections/general/news/danish-study-shows-higher-speed-limits-are-safer/

  • avatar
    bud777

    I have been a wagon fan all my life. While raising a family, I avoided minivans and went from Dodge to Chevy Celebrity to Honda Accord. We enjoyed the comfort of a car and had all the space we needed for a family of four and two large dogs.

    We replaced the Honda Accord with a 2006 Saab SportCombi. If you haven’t driven this car, you really should. My wife drives the Saab and I drive an NSX. It is a tossup as to which is more fun. On a trip through Nevada, we had a chance to open the Saab up a little. It was as stable at 130 as it is at 60. If this one wears out before we do, I’ll probably buy another used one. Just a magnificent automobile. It is a shame that GM destroyed the brand

    • 0 avatar
      Dave M.

      They didn’t really, just misdirected it and threw money at it when it was too late.

      Here’s a great autopsy:

      http://www.research.ed.ac.uk/portal/files/4864437/Who_killed_Saab_Automobile_Final_Report_December_20_2011.pdf

      Meanwhile, perhaps you can grey-market import a Cadillac BTS wagon for the ultimate Saab wagon thrill…

    • 0 avatar
      WhiskerDaVinci

      GM didn’t destroy the brand. Both GM and Spyker did what they could, giving huge amounts of money to them to do what they did. It’s apparently easier to say GM destroyed Saab than to give them credit for keeping them alive a lot longer than they would have lived without them. Saab would have went bust a lot sooner without GM.

  • avatar
    NoGoYo

    Man, that thing is beautiful!

    But the closest I’d ever come to a high performance wagon is if I bought an old Volvo and stuffed a hot Ford 302 into it.

  • avatar
    Land Ark

    There are 2 reasons to watch this video:

    1. The Jag Sportbrake is beautiful
    2. Rebecca Jackson is a gorgeous British racecar driver.

    It’s where I fell in love with the big Jag longroof.

    I own a “fast” wagon (modified Legacy GT) but I don’t have the means to buy one of these new. So while I lament the lack of wagons here in the US, I can’t do so angrily at car makers. If the new buyer market isn’t here, why should the car be?
    Get me one for around $25k and I’ll have it.

  • avatar
    Ryoku75

    This just looks uninspired, like Jaguar took a Legacy wagon and stuck their overstyled mess of an XFRs over it, ditto the Magnum Mercedes.

    If these wagons were a bit more square I wouldn’t really criticise them, but what good is style without originality?

  • avatar
    vlangs

    You don’t actually like wagons, I’m talking about you the commentators. You know why I know? Because no one buys wagons in the US. We’ve had so many wagons to choose from not 10 years ago, and now we have…what? 5? 6?

    You’re not “cool” for liking a wagon or liking a diesel, it’s just getting annoying to read at this point.

    If you like it so much put your money where you mouth is and buy a new wagon!

    /angry S6 Avant owner

    • 0 avatar
      Calico Jack

      Hey, vlangs, reality check for ya…not everyone goes out and buys a new car every six months, so there’s a limited amount of voting with your wallet one person can do. And only suckers buy a brand new car, as far as I’m concerned.

      It’s also worth noting that a modern wagon is hardly ever the match for an older one in terms of practicality due to modern–by which I mean bad and stupid–styling. I’m not gonna give my money to people putting out a bad product just because it’s a wagon. Go be a fanatic on your own dime.

      I drive a diesel, and looooove old Volvo 240 wagons, and I don’t give a flying Fig Newton if you or anyone else thinks I’m cool. Since when were 240s cool, anyway?!?

      • 0 avatar
        vlangs

        lmfao, it’s like you read my post, processed it, and then decided to completely ignore the whole post and just talk about your Volvo. People don’t go out and buy a new car every six months? You think? Wow, please enlighten me further Jack, is the sky blue too?

        You may think that only suckers buy brand new cars and there is merit to that because of how quickly cars depreciate. The last new car I bought was the aforementioned Audi S6 Avant and that was 10 years ago. Have I bought a used car since? Yes, yes I have. But the point you completely glossed over is that in the last year or two there has been a huge surge in people claiming to “love” wagons and diesels so much, but there hasn’t been a big rise in new OR used wagon sales yet sedans and crossovers and SUVs continue to sell like hot cakes. I guess I’m a fanatic for buying an obscene power wagon 10 years ago and still driving it. The more elegant point to be made was that if people are so sad about the death of wagons in this country then all they have to do to change it is to start buying more of them. But of course they cannot on any meaningful stage swing the buying decisions of the American people because if even a 1000 TTAC commentators went out and bought a wagon, it still wouldn’t be enough. Automakers only sell what sells, it’s not rocket science.

        Also bully for you and your love for Volvos. I honestly couldn’t give a “flying fig newton” what car you drive, so enjoy it.

        • 0 avatar
          Dave M.

          Except for my mid-life crisis sports car, I too buy only new. I keep my cars a minimum of 10 years and 200k+ miles, so the whole depreciation thing is a moot point. Plus I get to buy exactly what I want, and I know the history of the maintenance.

          Minivans, SUVs and CUVs killed the station wagon.

          I say anyone who markets a modern, reliable Volvo 242 sedan or wagon will make a bajillion dollars.

          The Audi S6 Avant is a beautiful car!

    • 0 avatar
      VenomV12

      There are 6 houses on my cul-de-sac and 4 of those homes have Subaru wagons. There are tons of wagons out there. They will probably never sell in the numbers that sedans of CUVs do, but I would not say they don’t sell and quite a few people do buy them.

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        3Deuce27

        Wagon ownership, seems to be a regional thing. Here in the NW we have many wagons, mostly Subaru, and BMW, Merc’ but a lot of older wagons still in service. And, I think we cornered the market on Magnums. When in the South or SW, In rarely see a wagon.

        Just yesterday, I saw two Maxima wagons in the same parking lot, one done up very nicely with suspension mods, wheels, and paint. I have three friends that own wagons, as does my daughter.

        Personally, I, currently, have three wagons, a 57′ Bel Air, the 5-Series BMW, and a project Magnum. My Dad has grown quite fond of the Magnum, so now we are looking for one, for him.

        Would love to find a reasonably priced 57′-58′ Olds, Buick, Pontiac, 4-dr. hardtop wagon.

        A 57′ Olds ‘Fiesta’ with a J-2 engine…Zweet!

        http://www.google.com/search?q=1957+oldsmobile+wagon&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=1TcSU4SkDYzfoAS-w4HQDA&ved=0CCcQsAQ&biw=927&bih=462

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      krhodes1

      I’ve bought two new wagons in the past 5 years, both with manual transmissions, no less. As previously mentioned, I’d have bought another BMW wagon if BMW would sell me the one I want, but I am not really that interested in compromising when laying out $50K+ on a want rather than a need. The one I have is perfectly lovely.

      Derek poo-poos this, but IMHO a big chunk of the problem is that the mainstream manufacturers figured out a long time ago that S/CUVs cost little more to make than a wagon, but can be sold for much bigger profit margins. Thus they have no interest in the boring old station wagon. Which would Ford rather sell, a Focus wagon for +$500 or an Escape for +$2500? Makes perfect business sense, unfortunately.

      I’m frankly amazed that BMW even bothers with the 3-series wagon any more, other than they seem to have a bit of a Gentleman’s arrangement with MB – they bring the 3 wagon but not the 5, MB brings the e-class, but not the c, and both make a relative killing by charging $5-6K more for the wagon versions of each than they really should cost.

  • avatar
    Stumpaster

    Need purple mc hammer pants and yellow rim shades to match the style of this atrocity.

  • avatar
    3Deuce27

    @ Tralls_

    As a general consideration, ‘blown’ applies to any forced air, pressurized, engine or system, applies to both supercharged and turbocharged.

  • avatar
    Spartan

    I never understood the love for the E63 wagon. Sure it’s powerful, but it’s by far one of the ugliest wagons on the road today. The Jaguar looks miles better by comparison.

  • avatar
    Calico Jack

    @ vlangs

    Perhaps I did miss the point of your post, but as far as I can tell, all you said was “All you people are f*****g poseurs! If you liked wagons you’d buy them, but you don’t!” Or words to that effect. Plenty of reasons for not buying a modern wagon, even if you like wagons. Most…maybe all…modern wagons have forgotten what the point of the body style was in the first place and sacrifice volume and comfort for stupid, swoopy styling. Jan Wilsgard was probably the last man in the design industry that understood a straight line could have its benefits.

    To spend lots of cash to buy a sub-par product in order to make a political point is surely the act of a fanatic. It’s possible to love wagons yet not run to the dealer to buy one, a concept which seems to escape you. “Automakers only sell what sells”. Yeah, they know the market flawlessly, just like with the Pontiac Aztek! And the Cadillac Cimarron! And the…well, anyway, if they made a decent station wagon, they’d have a better chance at finding a market for it.

    I don’t know what comments you’ve been reading hanging out on automotive websites, but just because someone says they like wagons but doesn’t want to buy any of the currently available models doesn’t mean they’re just internet big talkers trying to look cool…it means they’ve assessed the situation accurately and have plenty of common sense.

    If you had any elegant points to be made, they certainly weren’t in your first post, but let me suggest an ironic one…a love for the classic ideals of the station wagon is a persuasive reason not to buy a current one. A bitter idea, arguably a self-defeating idea, but that isn’t the same as being wrong.

  • avatar
    eggsalad

    I believe a proper shooting brake has 2 side doors and a tailgate/liftgate. This has too many doors to be a shooting brake.

  • avatar
    05lgt

    Anywhere that people with money go to a mountain for fun and showing off you can find big dollar, big power (usually AWD) wagons. They sell. Not evenly everywhere, but they sell.


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