By on January 21, 2014

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This has been in process for a while, but we’re finally ready to spring it on you: There’s such a thing as a TTAC forum.


You can check it out at

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/forum/

Your existing username and password are valid there and there’s a chance you’ll even find yourself logged in when you get there. Feel free to try some test posts. We’re not quite sure yet how we’ll use the forum; your suggestions, as always, are welcome.

General TTAC rules about civility of discourse — you know, the ones that are always being broken because somebody has the nerve to disrespect the V8-6-4 — continue to apply on that side of things as well.

See you there!

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83 Comments on “With This Post, We Welcome You To A New Era Of Civilized Discourse...”


  • avatar
    PrincipalDan

    General TTAC rules about civility of discourse — you know, the ones that are always being broken because somebody has the nerve to disrespect the V8-6-4 — continue to apply on that side of things as well.

    Hey man, just snip one wire or install an off switch for the deactivation and POW! you have an honest to god large displacement high torque Cadillac V8 like God intended.

    • 0 avatar
      28-Cars-Later

      Why don’t you look for one? I’m sure there are a few MY80-81 Cadillacs floating around in your region.

    • 0 avatar
      zealot2kx

      hey

    • 0 avatar
      3Deuce27

      What do you mean… Cadillac.

      The Magnum 5.7L V-8 also has the 8-6-4 engine management and it works quite well in the 2005 Magnum, I just picked up. A recent run to the boat in SF Bay/Berkeley, Ca., netted me nearly 30mpg at a steady 65mph. I figure a steady 55mph could put me over 30mpg. Adding true dual exhaust with performance CATs and mufflers, might even net more, plus another 10-hp.

      By the way, a new car for Jack’s consideration, would be the Dodge Magnum R/T or SXT. Fun to drive, goes well, stops very well, and gets around a corner in pretty good fashion, plus it has the nearly the same crash protection of Merc’s E-series. Also available in AWD with a 250hp V-6 and the 340hp 5.7 V-8.

  • avatar
    Chocolatedeath

    I personally think that you guys shouldnt allow any Panther critics in there.

    • 0 avatar
      fredtal

      I can’t critisize Panter’s because my Dad has a Mercury and well he is pretty old and I don’t want to upset him.

      • 0 avatar
        Drzhivago138

        I can’t say anything good about Panthers around my Dad because he, my mom, and my uncle and aunt went on a trip to Vermont and got a Crown Vic as their rental car–when the four of them have been buying cars for the past 30+ years with the express intention of getting rid of all childhood memories of 70’s land-yachts.

    • 0 avatar
      I've got a Jaaaaag

      Maybe in the forum a panther aficionado can explain to me where to find one of the artisan hand built models. I once dared mention that a rental Grand Marquis had sloppy handling, an unreadable in daylight digital dash, and the interior was falling apart with only 20,000 miles on the clock. I was told I had a bad one because it was a rental not one of the fine production models.

      • 0 avatar
        FuzzyPlushroom

        I enjoy playing count-the-loose-trim-pieces with my housemates’ eighty-something-thousand-mile ’04. The car’s a tank, though; it’s survived their neglect admirably so far. If you need to get somewhere every day for the next decade, and ‘somewhere’ is multiple hopped curbs away, it’s hard to go wrong with a Panther.

        • 0 avatar
          I've got a Jaaaaag

          Absolutely, mechanically panthers are tanks that just keep going. It’s just their fit and finish left lots to be desired. Some panther lovers have decided pointing that means you are a Prius driver.

          • 0 avatar
            krhodes1

            I strongly feel that no one should have to drive one who is not wearing a uniform and getting paid to do so. Those cars have a skill set that is simply not useful to civilians.

            A Camry does everything a Panther does 10x better, minus the curb hopping.

    • 0 avatar
      dartman

      Driving a Panther is like riding a Cougar. One really doesn’t want to admit to it or be seen doing it, but they are both so comfortable and dependable and require such little maintenance it’s hard to resist.

  • avatar
    BlueEr03

    Am I missing it, or is there no link off of the main page to get to the forum?

  • avatar
    krhodes1

    Well done, should be fun!

  • avatar
    gmichaelj

    ok, I’m old – 51. What is the point of the forum as opposed to the regular site? Is it so that we can post topics of our own choosing, like “look at the 12 point buck I got with my Buick”??? Apparently it is not a place to take a feud.

    FWIW, I’d like to see some discussion on how car insurance can leave the insured with a multi-thousand dollar liability: I thought that was what insurance was supposed to protect against.

    • 0 avatar
      DC Bruce

      If the claim against you exceeds the policy limits, you have to make up the difference. I believe most states’ minimum liability requirements ($40,000) for property damage are woefully inadequate, with people driving around in $70,000 cars. The personal injury limits (about the same, I believe) are woefully inadequate if you injure a bunch of people and you’re at fault. Medical bills are high. I’m guessing the medical bills in JB’s accident (not counting his own) exceed that number.

      If you don’t have any other assets to protect and don’t mind declaring personal bankruptcy, those low limits are good enough, I suppose. But if you have any other assets, or don’t want to go bankrupt or have your wages garnished for the rest of your life, six-figure limits make much more sense and don’t cost that much more in premiums.

      • 0 avatar
        I've got a Jaaaaag

        Minimum requirements on Big Rigs is even worse, $750,000 in liability. This goes very quickly in a chain reaction accident and many people are left to collect on their own uninsured coverage.

      • 0 avatar
        yesthatsteve

        We took out a million-dollar umbrella liability policy for about $200 a year, on top of our auto insurance $300k liability per event. Doing so actually lowered the rates on the auto policy by about $100 a year.

        • 0 avatar
          mnm4ever

          I have heard of these umbrella policies a few times now, but when I asked my insurance company about it they said it was no where near $200/yr, more like $200/mo. Where do you get such a policy?? I really want one.

          • 0 avatar
            onyxtape

            My $1 million umbrella with a major national insurance co. was about $180/year. I got it because I now have a rental home.

        • 0 avatar
          28-Cars-Later

          I’m curious as well, who is your agency?

          • 0 avatar
            yesthatsteve

            Shelter Insurance in Missouri. Just checked my policy online – exactly $200/year. It’s bundled with our home & auto policies.

            We got ours after my wife was named personally in a workplace lawsuit, and decided we were too exposed should something happen at home or with the cars.

          • 0 avatar
            yesthatsteve

            Another motivation for the umbrella policy that I forgot to mention: one teen driver with another soon to come.

      • 0 avatar
        Redshift

        I can’t believe these numbers are real. I am now even more nervous to travel in the US. The Canadian province I live in requires a minimum of $500000 although most companies won’t write for less than $1M, there are caps on injury payouts and being Canada health care costs are socialized.

    • 0 avatar
      SCE to AUX

      My friend recently had his 7-week-old Encore totalled by an impaired (don’t know the substance) driver who T-boned him.

      Turns out the driver had only the state minimum coverage, which I think is $5k in PA, which didn’t cover his brand new $27k car.

      So my friend will lose about 80% of his deductible because that’s about the amount of damages the other guy’s insurance didn’t cover. Seems wrong to me.

  • avatar
    Dingleberrypiez_Returns

    I like this development. Seems like this site has seen a lot of increased traffic and many new commenters. Given this rise, the existing comment system can get kind of unwieldy. There are a lot of topics that I’d like to see additional discourse on, particularly from individuals who are especially active on this site. For instance, there was an article yesterday that prompted some heated discussions that could have been more appropriately aired out on a forum.

  • avatar
    kmoney

    This should be fun. TTAC seems to have one of the more intelligent and informed commenter bases out there; it’ll be great to see what people come up with left to their own devices…

  • avatar
    Manic

    Any plans to upgrade comment system on main site? Maybe outsource to IntenseDebate, Disqus? Both problematic, but would at least bring 21. century tech here, working links etc.

  • avatar
    Tomifobia

    Somewhat a related question: has there been any upgrades to the site lately? When I log in from work (IE9) the stories on the main page are from late November, and any links I click display “server busy” errors. Cleared cookies and such, still happens.

    p.s. Poop.

  • avatar
    npaladin2000

    Tapatalk support? Yes/no/maybe?

  • avatar
    el scotto

    -sighs- It will just be the usual band of suspects attempting to pontificate more. Then again, when I’m bored or think someone is being a dick; I remember what I pay for TTAC

  • avatar
    28-Cars-Later

    I thought the whole website was pretty much a messageboard style forum, each article serving as a topic.

  • avatar
    mkirk

    Thanks. Just spewed coffee all over my monitor lauging at the picture for this article.

  • avatar
    Athos Nobile

    There’s a torch somewhere here… ah there you go… it’s covered with dust.

  • avatar
    JMII

    I don’t think my boss will approve… but I do :)

  • avatar
    imag

    Bravo. First, an improved logo and now this. Go TTAC Staff!

    One thing I can’t figure out is why modern forum software doesn’t provide built-in ranking functionality similar to reddit. Reddit’s system promotes high-value comments, improving conversation and readability. I am not sure why it isn’t just the forum default by now.

    • 0 avatar
      28-Cars-Later

      Maybe the functionality is copyrighted?

      • 0 avatar
        scrappy17

        I am pretty sure it is Open Source

      • 0 avatar
        racer-esq.

        The functionality, as opposed to the actual code, would be covered by a patent. Given the various implementations I’ve seen it does not appear that a valid patent is in place for the basic concept.

        • 0 avatar
          eManual

          The actual code can be covered by a copyright, not a patent. The patent consists of the (prior art) Background, a Summary of the Invention, and a Detailed Description of the Invention, where someone “skilled in the art” can understand how to accomplish the invention. The “claims” at the end of the patent are what the lawyers and the Patent Office fight over. And you can patent a ham sandwich if you think you can win in court.

    • 0 avatar

      The downside is that it can create a “hive mind”, stifle dissent and certain users rise to prominence with their ideas gaining currency above others.

      • 0 avatar
        racer-esq.

        Case in point: Jalopnik.

      • 0 avatar
        davefromcalgary

        Please don’t add the ability to vote down comments or people. The autos.ca forum has this, and I get voted down everytime I mention I like driving stick. It makes it less enticing to comment. And I think most B&B would agree I try to make measured, reasoned comments and I in turn think most of the B&B do the same. Being able to vote down a comment without being identified for it brings down the veil of anonymity that promotes internet douchebaggery.

        • 0 avatar
          Viquitor

          I second that.

        • 0 avatar
          FuzzyPlushroom

          I’m okay with how Hooniverse works, because of the community that Hooniverse draws most of the time. Here, we’re a bit more diverse (read: less universally outside ‘the norm’.

          My ideal, I think, would be TTAC implementing IntenseDebate (or a similar system) and disabling the thumbs-down (downvote) button, as some other sites do – posts would still display in chronological order, and we could see the most popular posts without anyone feeling left out.

        • 0 avatar
          Monty

          Also being a member of the same site davefromcalgary references, I would agree. I’ve been a member there for almost a dozen years, and frankly, thanks to the hive mind mentality, I haven’t posted in close to a year.

          I can’t say if the membership numbers declined, but the number of people active in the forums certainly has decreased.

          I’d prefer “ranking” not be an option.

  • avatar
    Atum

    I like the idea. But I went and looked at the forum, and it’s very tiny, implanted as if it’s a post. Linking it out to a separate website, maybe?

  • avatar
    ajla

    I see that the “member since” on our profile goes back to our first comment on TTAC.

  • avatar
    Scuttle

    Is there a way to change the resolution? The forum is tiny on my screen.

  • avatar
    Zekele Ibo

    As a former forum admin, I think it is a very bad idea to publish a member list, or even membership numbers. I’m not at all familiar with Simple-Press as a forum solution, but I always ripped out any code for that functionality. Not that 171735 signups, give or take a few, is bad-going, but why show all the member names to the world and let the scrapers slurp up 11449 pages of member names and signup dates?

    On a design note, the forum is too constrained in the content column of the main site, I think you should remove the right-hand column completely for the forum pages. (Maybe place a narrower column for ads as required.)

  • avatar
    manbridge

    Where’s the off-topic?

    How are we supposed to discuss the ways of Vanilla Dudeness?

    And how we all agree politically, God bless us everyone?

  • avatar
    mkirk

    Where is the UAW discussion forum?

  • avatar
    AoLetsGo

    Hmmm
    I checked it out
    I guess I will try anything once

  • avatar
    MisterNoisy

    I’m a fan of forums instead of just comments, and would actually like to see articles have links to discussion threads in the forum instead of comments directly under the article, largely because it keeps discussion chronologically organized on an absolute basis and generally requires less scrolling.

    That said, if it’s possible to get rid of the sidebar with reviews and the like in the forum, that’d go a long way towards making it more readable – your readers already know about your front page stuff, how to search and/or check your FB feed and may or may not have opted in for updates via email.

  • avatar
    mkirk

    The only way to close out this thread is to have Crabspirits finish Joe Biden’s Penthouse Forum submission.


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