By on December 9, 2013

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Traditionalists put off by Ford’s decision to offer the next generation Mustang with a four cylinder engine may have their heads spin by other powertrain choices Ford is considering for the new car as it tries to make it a global brand. According to global powertrain chief Bob Fascetti, speaking to GoAuto at the Sydney, Australia part of the simultaneous worldwide reveal of the latest Mustang, Ford is weighing producing diesel, hybrid and electric versions. It won’t happen anytime soon, but the door has been left open.

“We’re not looking at diesel at the moment, but given where we need to go with fuel consumption we are looking at all our options,” he revealed. “And diesel is one of those options, along with hybrids and electric.”

Fascetti wouldn’t get into specifics about engines, but he did say that while the 2015 Mustang will launch with a paddle shifted six speed automatic transmission, the car may later get one of the nine or ten speed gearboxes being developed in conjunction with General Motors.

Asked if the automaker had any reservations about offering what is perceived as a muscle car with a four cylinder engine, Fascetti said Ford’s EcoBoost system makes all the difference needed. “Not turbocharged like this,” Fascetti said, expecting Mustang buyers will embrace it the way that F-150 pickup buyers have pushed the 3.5 liter V6 EcoBoost engine to 40% of production. “The success of the F-150 EcoBoost even surprised us. When we put the 3.5-litre EcoBoost in that truck we had the same conversation, and it has ended up with a 40 per cent mix. And because it is fun to drive and the torque is there straight away, we anticipate that the Mustang customer will really like it. It’s fun to drive.”

Not only didn’t they have any reservations about offering a four in the new Mustang, there was also no thought given to discontinuing V8 power. “There was never a debate about not using the 5.0-litre,” Fascetti said. “So clearly we always wanted to keep the 5.0-litre in the Mustang because it’s always been tremendous for us, and it is really part of the brand. We can meet emissions with the 5.0 – that’s not an issue. As long as we can meet the demands of what every new Mustang requires, the V8 will be around for a while. We never thought we’d be getting the numbers we’re getting out of this engine now, even three years ago, so we think the 5.0 still has some life in it yet.”

Fascetti did confirm that the Mustang’s 2.3 liter EcoBoost will also find its way into transversely mounted applications. “There will be a front-drive version of the 2.3, east-west applications,” Mr Fascetti said. “The one beauty with [the Mustang] from my point of view is that it is rear-wheel drive, and this provides so many degrees of freedom as to what we can offer, because the engines are so much narrower relative to the rest of the car when they go north-south.”

“But (RWD) really opens up these other options for global markets, so we are really pleased to be able to offer the 2.3-litre EcoBoost, for example, where fuel is much more expensive than it is in the US. And we think that option for a car like this is important… it is a better answer for some global markets (than the V6 available in the United States). We are turning the Mustang into a global product now so all of our options are open now… we have great diesels in Europe, we have an EcoBoost line-up in North America… so we can do almost anything. For us it’s a case of designing the right drivetrain for the car.”

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48 Comments on “New Mustang May Eventually Offer Diesel, Hybrid and Even Electric Powertrains...”


  • avatar
    NoGoYo

    A diesel Mustang would be neat…if the diesel was similar to, say, the BMW N57 diesel six in terms of performance and fuel economy. A 4 cylinder diesel isn’t gonna cut it.

    Because why not have more RWD “sports” diesels?

    • 0 avatar
      jmo

      The 2.1L Mercedes diesel has 201bhp and 368lb/ft couple that with a 9 speed auto and you’d be getting to 60 in ~6 seconds, I’d think.

      But, maybe the euro Mondeo/Focus market doesn’t need that kind of power as it seems that the Mondeo diesel tops out at 160bhp..

    • 0 avatar
      Johannes Dutch

      BMW M550d, 0-62 mph in 4.7 sec., 381 hp. (“Sports” diesel for sure.)

      Another one is the new Maserati Ghibli with a 275 hp 3.0 V6 diesel.
      Same VM Motori engine as in the Jeep GC and Ram 1500.

      • 0 avatar
        RobertRyan

        Diesel is accepted in Europe, not NA. As well the BMW and the Maserati are very expensive compared to the competition the Mustang is aimed at in North America.

        • 0 avatar
          Johannes Dutch

          I know. But diesels with a 250 km/h speed limiter do exist. And these are all sports diesels as far as I’m concerned. Made by Audi, BMW, Mercedes, Maserati and probably Jaguar.

          • 0 avatar
            RobertRyan

            I know but they cost a fortune. Similar scenario to Pagani, Ferrari supercars

          • 0 avatar
            Johannes Dutch

            Robert, a 6 cylinder diesel in a compact sedan or coupe will do. Or even in a wagon. And they certainly don’t cost a fortune.

          • 0 avatar
            RobertRyan

            No they do not cost a fortune, but a 6 cylinder diesel in a Mustang in NA is not going to fly, Ecoboost yes.

        • 0 avatar
          NoGoYo

          Who says there will be a diesel Mustang in America if one is ever made? I know well enough to know that it would likely be Euro-exclusive.

          They could keep the Mondeo diesel, but giving it a wee bit of tuning a la VW GTD certainly wouldn’t hurt.

          • 0 avatar
            RobertRyan

            Who says they will buy this in Europe? I see this as a NA only vehicle primarily,very much like the Corvette.

  • avatar
    LeMansteve

    I would be interested in seeing a “push to pass” performance feature enabled by a hybrid drive system.

  • avatar
    schmitt trigger

    Welcome to the brave new world!

    Now…if they only offered a hydrogen powered Mustang…..

  • avatar
    CoastieLenn

    After talking to a few of my buddies (mostly GM fans, but somewhat open minded), it’s amazing to me how skeptical people are about the technology of efficient turbocharging. Anecdotally, people seem to be leary of a turbo-4 Mustang as if it would be a second coming of the Mustang II.

  • avatar
    mikedt

    They can’t put diesels into USA cars that would probably have a real want/need for a diesel. What would motivate them or even makes them think there’s a market for a diesel pony car? A diesel mustang will never see the USA.

  • avatar
    APaGttH

    Diesel. Manual. Brown. Hatch. What’s not to love. Now it just needs AWD and be priced $12,000.

  • avatar
    Steve-O

    Sounds like they are keeping all options open, which is smart (AWD, anyone?). The Pony/Muscle Car class needs to evolve with the times, and as long as Ford continues to offer a wide variety of engine/handling options, I’m encouraged by this. As an ’84 SVO owner, I can’t wait to give the 2.3L Ecoboost a test drive!

  • avatar
    Kendahl

    There have been four-cylinder Mustangs before. With the exception of the turbocharged SVO, they performed poorly and are not fondly remembered. When one considers who else sells turbocharged fours, a Mustang with an EcoBoost four is no longer weird.

    For me, the most important improvement is independent rear suspension. Ford is at least a generation late on that. The solid axle, plus the outdated interior, has always kept me from seriously considering a Mustang.

    • 0 avatar
      3Deuce27

      Considering that the first Mustangs were shipped with a 6-cyl and 2-speed automatics, the Ecotec Turbo PP is a major upgrade.

      There were two gen-3 turbo Mustangs, the Turbo GT and the SVO.

      • 0 avatar
        BuzzDog

        Actually, there were three gen-3 turbo Mustangs.

        In the first three years of the Fox platform Mustang (1979 to 1981), a 132 hp, four-cylinder turbo was offered as an optional engine; this was prior to the reintroduction of the GT in 1982, and the turbo GT in 1983.

        • 0 avatar
          3Deuce27

          “Actually, there were three gen-3 turbo Mustangs.” That is correct. The turbo engine Mustang and the GT ‘Turbo’ and SVO.

          Some of the differences between Mustang with a turbo engine and the GT ‘Turbo’ twere the addition of the GT moniker and with that, an upgraded motor, suspension and T-5, though, I believe, for a while both turbo models were offered at the same time in 83′. One of the draftsmen in my office had the turbo Fairmont coupe variant of the Fox platform.

          I have a stored since 93′, garage find 84′ Mustang GT ‘Turbo’ convertible that I found cruising the ‘Deep East Texas’ CL listings when I was in NE Texas last May. Still stored near Atlanta, Texas, and is, as yet, not operational. Nice, but needs a top and buff, cosmetically, and indeterminate engine work as I picked it up just before heading to DFW to fly home.

          I will get it fixed up and use it when I spend time there. I have the complete drive train, brakes and suspension from an 87′ T-Bird Turbo Coupe. I might ship some of those parts to Texas, to put in the GT.

  • avatar
    SCE to AUX

    An electric Mustang had better perform like a Model S, or it will be an embarrassment. I hope Ford doesn’t do this.

  • avatar
    ponchoman49

    Just in: Ford also considering yet another power source for the new Mustang to meet the upcoming stupid Cafe standards, a new .0000002 liter Ecoboost 1 cylinder with 60 HP and up to 55 MPG. This is getting a bit out of hand!

    • 0 avatar
      RobertRyan

      @ponchoman49
      How about an Efficient steam engine? It is like having the Michelin Calender with the teaser “No more scantily clad 20′s somethings in exotic locations, but overweight middle age women in truly domestic activities!!!!!”

  • avatar
    Waterview

    I’m fully onboard with the other respondents who question the reliability of modern turbocharged engines. Yes, we’re all familiar with racing applications, but many are all too familiar with the mechanic handing them the turbo repair estimate for $1,800. Can these new Ford turbos go to 150,000 miles without major repair or expense? Is that an unrealistic request given that the naturally aspirated version will likely do so?

    • 0 avatar
      Z71_Silvy

      A Ford engine? No.

      Other manufactures? More than likely. But then, Most Ford’s fall apart before 150K so the turbo is not a huge thing.

      Ford does one thing well…and that’s ‘planned obsolescence’

  • avatar
    Reino

    Diesels typically redline at half the RPM of a gasser of the same displacement. Something about redlining a Mustang at 3000 RPM doesn’t appeal to me.

  • avatar
    Z71_Silvy

    Ford has pretty much ruined every other vehicle in their lineup why should the Mustang be any different?

    At least GM and Chrysler are capable of making an efficient V8.

  • avatar
    NoGoYo

    @RobertRyan: There are various reasons why a diesel Mustang would not sell well in the United States. If they’re even considering a diesel Mustang, as absurd as that sounds, expecting it to sell here where diesel costs more than gasoline and diesel cars are less than ubiquitous is downright insane and stupid.

  • avatar
    reclusive_in_nature

    Global laming, everyone.

  • avatar
    sportyaccordy

    A diesel performance car is a stupid idea. But hey, as long as they keep the gasoline engines I don’t care.

  • avatar
    seabrjim

    Ok, you spoke up so I gotta ask. What is inefficient about the Coyote engine. And yes, I own one. And while it was stock, out ran more than a few Camaro’s.

  • avatar
    Beerboy12

    The big low down torque punch of production car diesels used these days would suit the American driving style perfectly. It also suits muscle car performance characteristics very well, so I am confused by the negativity. I know the sound is not the same as a V8 but still…

    • 0 avatar
      George Herbert

      Beerboy: Yes, 99% of these people drive more torque limited on roads.

      No, they don’t understand, and will bite their thumbs at Diesels they’d really like if they gave them a chance and tried them….

  • avatar
    mkirk

    Hopefully it is the diesel from the Power Stroke a few years back that would turn the tailpipe into a blowtorch. That would be a hit at the drag strip.

  • avatar

    Diesel is coming as cleaner and more powerful, i feel it’s going to be success.


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