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  • avatar
    Jacob

    Classy look. This puts the ILX to shame. The only obvious problem is that the belt line somehow reaches the roof.

    • 0 avatar
      Spanish Inquisition

      There’s also the problem of this disgusting new trend to have the hood line horizontal across the nose. There was nothing wrong with having the hood lip come all the way to the grill, but with these squared up hoods, that line is very intrusive.

      The F30 has the same problem.

      • 0 avatar
        White Shadow

        That really bothers you? The new 3 (both Mazda and BMW) are so much better looking than their last generations that I’d hardly complain about the line of the hood opening.

      • 0 avatar
        redav

        A vast number of cars have this. I agree deleting the line would look better, but it isn’t that bad.

        The rising belt line, tiny rear window, protruding touch screen, & location of the CD player are much bigger problems, IMO.

        • 0 avatar

          The protruding screen is a problem? God, you people want everything. “Give me a low cowl, like in the 80s!” “Give me a huge screen!” “No, you can’t put it down low because then I can’t look at it easily.”

          At which point you are left with two options. Either ignore one of those three demands or just creating a protruding design that keeps everything else low but the screen high and visible. It’s a totally sensible, smart solution that appears to be very nicely executed here.

    • 0 avatar

      A LOT of cars put the ILX and TL and RLX to shame.

      This interior and exterior looks fantastic. The AUDI references are unmistakable.

      I’m not crazy about having just one big gauge in the center. I prefer a tachometer and speedometer.

    • 0 avatar
      mjz

      First the CX-5, then the 6 and now the new 3. All are class leading designs, that arguably have the best styling in their segments. Would love to see them do a big Mazda9 sedan too.

    • 0 avatar
      mjz

      My only minor issue is that the chrome trim around the windows does not extend around the upper portion of the windows too. Looks unfinished to my eye.

    • 0 avatar
      thornmark

      The profile/beltline of the 3 sedan is hideous. ILX is easily better looking.

      That rear door is the equal of the Edsel grill as a hallmark of bad design.

      • 0 avatar
        mike978

        TM gives a predictable fanboi answer. Why is it that some fans, in this case die hard Honda fans cannot accept another company does well.

        As others have said Mazda have produced a new set of core vehicles in less than 2 years all looking good and the two that have been reviewed (CX5 and 6) have done very well in car reviews and comparison tests (yes even against Honda products which are very good in those classes).

        Mazda has also managed to introduce new engines, gearboxes, and platforms with no issues (unlike say the ecoboost engines). A sure sign of a great engineering company, even if they “only” sell 1.5 million units.

        • 0 avatar
          CJinSD

          I just had the opportunity to peruse an ILX. This is an ILX knock-off with a schnoz that makes the guillotine look inspired. Anyone that says differently is ridiculous. OTOH, this should be much cheaper than the original, so it may not be a bad purchase for people that want ILXs but care more about money than cars.

          • 0 avatar
            mike978

            Did anyone say it was not like the IlX? You said t is comparable but cheaper, Seems a winner to me. Probably better real world economy and driving dynamics. Time will tell, but if Honda die hard fans have to criticise so vermently then it says Mazda is doing something right.

          • 0 avatar

            My favourite is how you base your ability to make this pronouncement on the fact that you’ve just been able to sit in an ILX when there is no possible way you could have spent any time in the new Mazda3 yet.

            Ignoring your overdramatic statement, these cars technically don’t really operate in the same price class. Beyond that, the ILX is an attractive but incredibly poorly packaged car. Entirely Acura’s fault. Anyone who ends up in a Mazda 3 over an ILX (were it to come down to those two) could reasonably select the 3 based on similar or superior driving dynamics (given Mazda’s record on this, that doesn’t seem farfetched), better dealership availability, the availability of a hatchback, and the availability of a top-trim model with a stick…which is something the ILX isn’t doing right now. And those are things I can safely say before we even know the details.

            This comes from someone who’s entire family owns Hondas, and who’s mother just left the Acura brand after careful shopping, and who’s driven the ILX and numerous sedans at a comparable price point. I’m not a hater.

  • avatar
    ant

    wuss with the speedo?

    other than that, looks nice.

    My current Mazda is rusting really bad. Much more so than other cars that are older around me.

    Until that is addressed, I wont be buying any more Mazda.

    (love the car otherwise)

    • 0 avatar
      HerrKaLeun

      so true on the rust. Especially since an otherwise nice car will be hard to sell used once it is colored brown.

      I have a 2005 MAzda 3 which is a rust bucket. Especially rust is everywhere, brakes, underbody, body. I see being sloppy with corrosion-proofing at one location, but the entire car, visible and non-visible parts?

      My splach-shield metal bar fell off last winter since it was corroded through. Unfortunately f i try to sell it now i will take a big hit (unless a rust-blind person buys it). 8 years and 53,000 miles and already a beater?

      My 2007 Mazda 6 seems to be holding up so far.

      • 0 avatar
        redav

        If everything is rusting, I wonder what could possibly be done to prevent it? It isn’t like it has a poor design feature that catches water, because that would just lead to rust there, nor would ‘rust-proofing’ really be much of an option since it seems unreasonable to do every single surface, unless it’s a coating put on each part coming out of the factory. Some alloys resist corrosion better than others, but did Mazda use anything different than other car makers?

        I’ve seen a ton of complaints about Mazdas & rust (we don’t use salt where I live, so it’s a nonexistent problem here), but I haven’t heard a definitive reason for the problem, which makes it hard to tell if they’ve fixed it.

        • 0 avatar
          TTACFanatic

          The 2007 Mazda 6 is holding up fine because it was built in the U.S., the first gen Mazda 3′s were all built in Japan, and like the Protege’s before them were notorious for rust problems. My guess is the type of rust-proofing/paint additives allowed in Japan are inferior to what’s allowed elsewhere.

          I’m not sure how the 2-gen “Smiley” Mazda 3 are holding up but I believe all the new 3-gen’s sold in North America will be made in Mexicio.

          • 0 avatar
            scwmcan

            Not all the first Gen 3 s have a rust problem, Mazda apparently changed something in 2006 (maybe for that model year or for the 07 model year). Our 07 3 has no rust issue and they definately use salt here ( Ontario), the car has been more white than blue most winters ( and we are pretty bad at washing it unfortunately) in any case all I have done is touch up some stone chips ( some of which did have the start of some rust) and wash it a couple of times a year, still looks like new with no rust ( 130,000 km on it now). I also don’t really see many more Mazdas than any other similar age cars with rust on them.

          • 0 avatar
            CelticPete

            Yeah the Mazda’s pretty much rust out in the NE area – all the older ones. But here in the Bay Area it seems like cars can last forever. They get this sunbaked paint pantina? instead of rusting..

            I think they fixed this problem. But I guess it depends on where you live if you want to take the chance.

          • 0 avatar
            MZ3AUTOXR

            I have and 07 with 135K as well and have not seen any major rust issues. And this in Massachusetts.

  • avatar
    c00lcat24_7

    Not a jaw-dropping design, but it’s handsome and won’t turn off buyers

  • avatar
    Astigmatism

    That’s why they need the sedan instead of the hatchback, silly. Snowden is in the trunk.

  • avatar
    jpolicke

    This is probably the top of the line, fully equipped model, and Mazda needs some way to leave off the touch screen in lower versions. But this looks like an absolute last-minute solution, more like I propped up a Kindle on the dash and left it there. In addition to looking lazy, it also appears damage-prone.

    • 0 avatar
      dwford

      This is the latest look. See the Mercedes CLA, Audi A3 etc.. I don’t like it either

    • 0 avatar
      redav

      I dislike the screen, too. But even worse IMO, is the location of the CD player. It’s at the bottom of the stack, and it seems you wouldn’t be able to load/remove a CD without moving the shifter.

    • 0 avatar
      bryanska

      There is one HUGE benefit to the placement. The dash can be much, much slimmer. Note that nothing has to “sweep up” to accomodate the display. Propper up like it is, everything else can be much lower, vastly improving visibility.

      I very much like this approach.

  • avatar
    Kendahl

    They finally tamed the maniac grin on the front end. The previous generation drove well enough but the styling was grotesque. You would need to lead me to it blindfolded.

    The instrument cluster is like Porsche’s. The middle instrument appears to be a tachometer rather than a speedometer. The speedo looks like it’s digital and inset into the tach at 5 o’clock. I could live with that.

    The screen in the center stack is weird. It looks like an aftermarket unit tacked on with double sided tape. Does it retract into the slot behind it?

    The 2013 Mazda3 came in second to a Ford Focus when we were car shopping late last year. I told the Mazda salesman that it just needed updating. It appears they have done that.

    • 0 avatar
      Zoom

      I hate digital speedometers. It’s more difficult to judge speed at a glance in city driving. Also, a slush-box doesn’t need a big tach. Since this car is a stick, could the instrument cluster be different for an automatic car?

      • 0 avatar
        confuzdbycloudz

        After driving a rx8 for two years with a digital tach it is easier to tell what speed your going. It positioned very well. Some vehicles with analog can get very annoying, for example mine work truck the top of the wheel covers the top of the speedo meaning I have to tilt my head to check my speed.

  • avatar
    carguy

    Looks like a shrunken Mazda6 – which is a good thing.

  • avatar
    Jeff Waingrow

    Seems like the view out back would be pretty restricted, no? If you make enough decisions where style trumps function, you eventually end up with a car that looks great but is hell to live with.

    • 0 avatar

      It’s actually function: fuel economy considerations. This is why sedans are indistinguishable from hatchbacks these days, except for the partitioning between the trunk and cabin area. Style has nothing with it, CAFE does (and its functional equivalents in other countries).

      Next step: mandatory cameras. You just wait.

      • 0 avatar
        redav

        But rising belt lines & tiny windows aren’t required. And they could lower the trunk top & extend it without harming aerodynamics (probably improve it actually) which would improve rear visibility.

        Mandatory back up cameras are imminent, and I could see the same as a replacement for side mirrors. I actually like the idea of deleting the side mirrors (less noise, drag, etc.) and using a HUD or similar in the corners of the windshield so that the driver doesn’t have redirect his focus as far and still get a better field of view.

        But there’s no substitute for real visibility.

      • 0 avatar
        Jeff Waingrow

        What you say sounds sensible, but would you use the same argument in regard to the VW CC? Seems to me that that’s mostly a case of style trumping functionality (in that the standard Passat has considerably better sight lines). BTW, I’m not so sure that mandatory cameras to the rear is such a bad idea. I mean, why not? With economies of scale, they’d cost beans.

  • avatar
    CoreyDL

    Ughh the panel fit on the interior doesn’t look too great. Lots of little intersecting planes, few of which line up properly.

  • avatar
    ijbrekke

    To my eye, it has hints of the Lexus IS line.

  • avatar
    kvndoom

    Looks SO much better than the hatchback, and that’s a total 180 from the first two generations. I still think the 1st gen 3 was the best looking, even if not the best quality.

  • avatar
    Zoom

    Looks very good. That rear 3/4 view reminds me of the Kia Optima.

    Given a choice, I don’t understand why someone would buy a sedan over a hatchback in the compact segment.

    • 0 avatar
      NoGoYo

      What the world needs is the return of the liftback.

      Sedan profile, hatchback utility.

      • 0 avatar

        While I like wagons, I totally agree. Why North America insists on having sedans with little tiny trunk openings instead of cars that look like sedans but are about 500% more useful is totally beyond me.

        • 0 avatar
          NoGoYo

          People like sedan rooflines, so why not give them sedan rooflines with hatchback utility?

          Oh that’s right, it probably doesn’t fit with EU safety regulations or CAFE or one of the other things that conspire to make cars worse.

          • 0 avatar

            EU safety regulations? What are you talking about? Europe is home to the sedan/hatchback design. If you rent a midsizer there, you simply cannot get a sedan, usually. It’ll be a liftback Insignia or Mondeo. They are all over the place there and quite popular.

  • avatar
    redliner

    Based on the reflecting panel at the base of the windshield, I would guess that it will have a HUD.

  • avatar
    reclusive_in_nature

    Rear Visibility we hardly knew ye…

  • avatar
    juicy sushi

    Not as nice as the departing sedan. I guess it’ll be a hatchback for me.

  • avatar
    NoGoYo

    @EChid: I don’t know why car-makers refuse to offer certain things that people would actually want.

    Brown diesel wagons? I can understand that. But other things seem to be straight up corporate laziness/aggressive beancounting. We can’t offer this because it would cost money/require more work than just ignoring the consumers and all that.

    • 0 avatar

      I would be interested to see what would happen if one manufacturer were to only offer a liftback format designed to look as much like a sedan as possible. Would sales be affected? Would people happily convert after having that “aww wow, that makes so much more sense” moment? Unfortunately, no one wants to take that risk (except Mazda with the original 6).


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