By on June 10, 2013

Apple Maps displaying in a car

Apple just announced a bunch of new stuff today as part of their annual developers conference. Most TTAC readers don’t really care that iOS7 is ditching the old skeuomorphic look (fake brushed metal, fake leather, etc.) for a flat design that is damn near identical to what Google’s Android and Microsoft’s Windows 8 have been doing. However, they’ll care about this.

Apple has announced “iOS in the Car” (TheVerge has a summary; see also Cnet, Engadget, Gizmodo). Apple didn’t say much, beyond a a few pretty screenshots and a list of car manufacturers who will support this in 2014. We don’t know if this will be an Apple-proprietary protocol or if it will be an open standard that Android and other phones can use. Regardless, we can expect non-Apple phones to be hacked in one way or another to work with this, assuming they’re willing to do battle with Apple’s patent portfolio.

This is a big deal. For the first time, we have car manufacturers conceding a significant part of the driver’s user experience to a device or company outside of their control. For example, if you buy the most alpha nerd car available today, a Tesla Model S with its monstrous 17″ touch screen, you have well-integrated Tesla-skinned Slacker and TuneIn Internet radio, complete with a secondary display of the current song next to your speedometer. Would you prefer Pandora or Google Music? Sorry, you’ll have to stream that through your phone, which won’t be anywhere near the same slick experience. In Apple’s new world order, your car is an accessory to your phone, which is exactly the way it should be. Many people replace their phones every time their two year contract comes up for renewal and some replace it even more often. Conversely, most any modern car should handily last ten years or more with the right tender loving care. You can go through five generations of phones in the same time that you go through a single car. Your phone keeps getting better and your car (generally speaking) doesn’t. Furthermore, as I go from my personal car to a rental car to whatever else (a taxi?), I get to take “my” navigation system and “my” music along for the ride, rather than learning my way around yet another car manufacturer’s dial that spins, clicks, slides, and otherwise goes out of its way to annoy the driver.

I’d previously been skeptical that something like this would ever come to pass. Why would a car manufacturer willingly allow themselves to be commoditized like this? Why would they willingly give up the chance to upsell their customers on monthly service charges? In the new world order, a third-party app installed on your phone could use the built-in accelerometer and GPS to figure out that you decelerated in a big hurry and probably had an accident, just like GM OnStar and other such manufacturer-provided subscription services do. Would you rather have that service attached to your car or to your phone? I’d vote for the phone, since it would be with me regardless of what car I happened to be in.

If I were king for a day, I’d not only push for the phone/car video interface to be standardized, but I’d also push for the car to provide specific sensors and data to the phone. For example, the car might feed your phone telemetry data (wheel angle, speedometer, tachometer, etc.), which can aid a navigation system that temporarily looses contact with the GPS satellites, or give you great feedback on your hot track laps. They might even consider providing deeper manufacturer-specific hooks to allow for over-the-air software updates. At that point, some interesting security threats rear their ugly heads, since the phone needs to be treated as a potentially hostile component within the otherwise-friendly world of the in-car network. Still, color me excited. I’ve wanted this for a long time.

 

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73 Comments on “Apple announces “iOS in the Car”...”


  • avatar
    Commando

    It’s now official. When talking cars, it used to be ‘I’m a GM guy” or something like that. Now, it’s become “I’m an Android guy”…!
    There will be appearing on back windows of Chevys decals of Calvin pissing on a Microsoft logo…

    • 0 avatar
      Luke42

      Seriously, where can I get one of those?

      I’ve been a Microsoft customer for 25 of my 34 years, and they’ve been pissing me off the whole time. Seriously, my first thought when I saw a copy of Windows 2.10 was “you could really do a better job if you guys gave a crap about what happens under the hood.”

      I can write another 10 pages about this particular topic, but I’ll spare you all since you probably came to this site to read about cars….

      • 0 avatar
        AustinGibbyGibson

        I couldn’t post on the right thread either, so in response to your question, BMW’s iDrive system can update over the air to the latest version with a BMW Assist subscription.

        • 0 avatar
          Luke42

          Meh, a firmware update != an upgrade.

          Also, sending me an OTA firmware doesn’t put me I’m control of my stuff.

          Anyway, can you quit it with the astroturfing? Its not working.

          • 0 avatar
            AustinGibbyGibson

            No, I’m just being serious. I like my iDrive. I think it is a very good system. But, if you really wanted a full-fledged upgrade, your BMW service center can do it for you. I’m not astroturfing.

  • avatar
    Austin Greene

    I also saw this from Apple today – but I did not see a list of participating manufacturers

  • avatar
    segfault

    “Conversely, most any modern car should handily last ten years or more with the right tender loving care.”

    Yeah, but the iPhone you buy in 2022 is unlikely to work flawlessly with your 2014 Honda Accord, and the phone is likely to have many new features which aren’t supported on the ICE systems of older vehicles.

    It won’t be much different than it is now–there will be aftermarket solutions, but they’ll be clunky compared to OEM.

    • 0 avatar

      For a while, car manufacturers would support iPods specially, and other non-Apple devices didn’t get the special sauce. Bluetooth A2DP standardized this, and did it well enough that it’s almost, but not quite, the industry standard now.

      I fear that Apple’s initial foray into integrating video will be just as proprietary as its initial foray into integrating audio. In other words, the first generation of this technology is probably already obsolete, even though it hasn’t even shipped yet. I hope I’m wrong and that Apple is using something like Bluetooth VDP (video distribution profile). We’ll see.

  • avatar
    slow kills

    As someone with a ten year old phone and a ten year old car, meh.

  • avatar
    jz78817

    unless this is built on some sort of standard, I’m not interested. I do NOT want my car dictating what kind of phone I buy, or vice versa.

    • 0 avatar
      ellomdian

      Nonsense – I can’t wait for the design decisions in my car to be made with the same group of buyers in mind who have to have a new phone every 12 months, regardless of the functional difference, because it’s a model of conspicuous consumption.

      I giggle every time I see how much BMW bends over backwards to support Apple integrations because your stereotypical BMW shopper now is your Stereotypical iPhone buyer.

  • avatar
    WaftableTorque

    Only Apple would use “iOS in the car”. From past tag lines, if other manufacturers owned iOS, they’d trump them in creativity and wit:

    Sun Microsystems: “iOS is the car”
    Microsoft: “Car iOS: be what’s next”
    GM/On-Star: “iOS on”
    McDonald’s: “I’m loving iOS”
    Porsche: “the most profitable iOS in the world”
    Lexus: “The pursuit of iOS”
    Google: “Don’t be iOS”

    Maybe “iOS in the car” is fine after all.

  • avatar
    Jacob

    This is great news. For the most part, the car infotainment systems are junk. User interfaces are clumsy, slow and outdated. Hardware is slow and outdated. I think a year or so ago some new car I was looking at, I think Acura, had a 15GB hard drive for music storage as a part of its expensive tech package. 15GB! This is a joke. You can buy an SD card driver with 32GB for $20 right now. The car manufacturers do not understand computers or audio and never will. Just let them concentrate on the drive train and leave consumer electronics to the professionals. Apple is a good company to work with. Say what you say about Apple, but Apple is obsessed about creating intuitive consistent and efficient user interfaces. They are going to make a killing profit in this business. Forget about all of current car audio fads, like fancy drive trains or HIDs or exhausts. A couple of years from now, consumers will be lining up to pay up like 5,000 dollars for an iCar option package.

    • 0 avatar
      AJ

      I totally agree. Well said.

      • 0 avatar
        AustinGibbyGibson

        Have you ever even seen BMW’s amazing iDrive system? I have a 2013 BMW 550i with the newest iDrive system, and it is amazing! It’s so beautifully designed and it’s super fast and responsive. You should check it out!

        • 0 avatar
          krhodes1

          I love iDrive so much I specifically ordered my BMW without it. Utter, and utterly expensive garbage.

          • 0 avatar
            AustinGibbyGibson

            You obviously don’t know much. iDrive isn’t expensive. It’s free without navigation on the 5 series and free on the seven series with navigation. And on the upcoming 2014 5 series, idrive will include navigation for free.

          • 0 avatar
            Ubermensch

            “iDrive isn’t expensive. It’s free without navigation on the 5 series and free on the seven series with navigation. And on the upcoming 2014 5 series, idrive will include navigation for free.”

            iDrive “free” LOL! Oh wait, you were serious?

          • 0 avatar
            akitadog

            I get the distinct sense that AustinGibbyGibson is astroturfing. Hard.

          • 0 avatar
            AustinGibbyGibson

            It is free. iDrive is included, even on the 528i Sedan. Just look at the interior on “Build Your Own” or read the specs on the 528i web page. However, the free version on the 528i does not include Navigation. If you get Navigation, you will receive the updated iDrive with a larger screen. However, the latest iDrive with the largest screen and navigation is standard on the 7 series.

          • 0 avatar
            AustinGibbyGibson

            Ubermensch, while iDrive is free without Navigation, it has a smaller screen and older software. However, if you get the Navigation option, you’ll get the latest iDrive software and a larger screen. However, if you wait for the 2014 BMW 5 Series, the newest Navigation System with the biggest screen is standard across the series.

        • 0 avatar
          WaftableTorque

          I tested the 740Li Active X a couple of Saturdays ago. It took me 5 minutes to figure out how to change the tone settings in iDrive. 5 fricking minutes. Even CUE, MyLincolnTouch, and the new Lexus puck took only 15-30 seconds to find it. Needless to say, BMW is no longer on my shopping list. (plus the horror stories that the BMW head technician friend told me about out-of-warranty BMW’s didn’t help)

        • 0 avatar
          Luke42

          If you’re going to talk like a BMW salesman, I’m ready to debate the merits of buying BMWs. BMW is a powerful and memorable brand. I will never be seen in a BMW, due to the behavior of BMW drivers in traffic. Do you really want to have that debate?

          Or, we can talk about the engineering of the car. Despite having a visceral negative reaction to the BMW brand and the arrogant/dangerous road habits of so many memorable BMW drivers, the engineering engineering is pretty cool sometimes. I’ll never own one, but I’ll take the engineer’s tour under the hood of one any day.

          Back to i-drive: I specifically ignore infotainment systems in cars, because I upgrade my smart phone every two years and I expect to own the car for 5-10 years. The only feature I want from a car infotainment system is the ability to upgrade it independently of the car. Without that, I’ll be velcroing my phone to the dashboard, no matter whether its a 8 year old beater or a 2 year old luxury lease with a $60k residual.

          Does i-drive allow me to upgrade the system using standard parts whenever I wish? If so, THAT would actually be amazing.

          • 0 avatar
            Luke42

            Oops, I somehow posted this to the wrong thread. I was responding to AustinGibbyGibson.

            My apologies for posting this screed here.

          • 0 avatar
            AustinGibbyGibson

            BMW’s iDrive can update over the air to the latest version with a BMW Assist subscription.

          • 0 avatar
            AustinGibbyGibson

            Also, if you’re a good of a driver that you say you are, you could help improve the reputation of BMW drivers everywhere.

          • 0 avatar
            Luke42

            @AustinGibbyGibson: “Also, if you’re a good of a driver that you say you are, you could help improve the reputation of BMW drivers everywhere.”

            Why would I possibly want to do that? You’re suggesting that I pay extra out of my to help you fix your brand. LOL.

            I’ve entered the demographic where I can afford a luxury car, so a lot of the promotion is aimed at people like me. But paying extra to look like a jerk highway is a poor value proposition. And I can get leather seats, a sunroof, and powers everything in a regular car. My well kept beater Sienna is practical, reliable, financially efficient, and image win.

            It seems like you’re trying your standard sales-lot schtick on me. Remember that you developed that schtick talking with people who are at least interested enough to stop by the lot. Despite having the six-figure income, you won’t see me there because I’m oretty sure I don’t value the attributes that make BMW unique.

            Anyway, this is article is about Apple. I’m not a fanboy, but I do use their stuff when it serves my purposes – and it’s pretty good. I’d love to try an aftermarket Apple infotainment system in my Sienna.

    • 0 avatar
      redrum

      What’s really laughable is that, due to copyright concerns, you can’t even copy pre-encoded music files (MP3s or anything else) onto the hard drive. You have to manually rip your music cds using the car’s cd player ONE AT A TIME at about 15 minutes a pop. I don’t know anyone who bothers using it.

    • 0 avatar
      AustinGibbyGibson

      Have you ever even seen BMW’s amazing iDrive system? I have a 2013 BMW 550i with the newest iDrive system, and it is amazing! It’s so beautifully designed and it’s super fast and responsive. You should check it out!

  • avatar

    The site seems to have eaten a comment I sent, and it doesn’t seem to be pending so if by some technical glitch this appears as a double post, I’m sorry in advance.

    So, I was saying I’ll be that guy. Yep, the grumpy old man. I know the youngsters get all excited about this, but I just don’t care. Most of the time I drive in absolute radio silence. I like to hear the noises of the car. The engine, suspension working. All the little rattles and squeaks. For example, I like Mr Alex’s reviews very much, but he always “wastes” one or two paragraphs talking about the infotainment system. When I get to that part I just scroll down. Nothing against the author, but this sort of thing just doesn’t interest me.

    Yep, I’m becoming that grumpy old man.

    • 0 avatar
      krhodes1

      Marcelo, I am pretty much with you. I want a plain old USB port that will read MP3s off a thumbdrive. If it speaks iPod, that is nice but not necessary, Sat Radio is a bonus. Internet streaming? At current data plan pricing? Fugedaboutit!

      IMHO, any touch interface built into a car needs to be banned. Give me a volume knob, a select/tuning knob and a row of 6-8 buttons. It’s all you need, and it is what my BMW has. A 2-3 line display is more than adequate. It’s a CAR not a boombox on wheels.

    • 0 avatar
      Summicron

      “I like to hear the noises of the car. ”

      Bozhe moi… yesterday Nate agreed that ’55 Chevys are cooler than ’57s; now you say this…. something I’ve always preferred, too.

      Uncanny, but I’ve found that once I could finally afford nice cars all I wanted to listen to was them doing their smooth thing. What monks get from Gregorian or Tibetan chanting, I get from the sounds of fresh engines, fat young suspension components, meaty new rubber on gravel…even the non-sound of new wiper blades. *Joy*

      Even a mongrel like me can find a home on TTAC.

      • 0 avatar

        Ah, the non-sound of new wiper blades…Wonderful! I also love a smooth running engine, though the other little noises that come up from not-so-new suspension bits and such doesn’t bother me. Sometimes, in heavy traffic, I’ll listen to the sports radio to listen to their endless, meaningless jibberish, other times I’ll listen to news, more and more rarely I’ll listen to music. Out on the highway though, with a chance to work the car, well then, I listen to the machine!

  • avatar
    Athos Nobile

    So we will be forced to use iPITA as default in cars? That’s great for choice.

    I replaced 2 phones as the contracts went up, my wife got an iPhone and I got another Android. Mine took 10 minutes to get going, OTOH the other is starting to feel like a rotten apple.

  • avatar

    I was expecting an Apple head unit eventually. Hopefully they’ll offer a single DINN and double DINN, but I wonder how we’ll protect this stuff from car thieves?

    And with most cars coming with Navigation systems built in, I’m hoping Apple will just offer software to car companies as an option.

    Still – nothing quite beats USB connections for your smartphone.

    Or a 32GB Flash Drive and a car with a USB connection.

    I don’t like the 2.5mm jacks because the sound isn’t as crisp since it goes analog.

    ALL I really wanted was a bigger gotdamn phone. I took my mom out to buy a Samsung Galaxy today. I still can’t believe how much bigger those things are.

    • 0 avatar
      jz78817

      “I was expecting an Apple head unit eventually. Hopefully they’ll offer a single DINN and double DINN, but I wonder how we’ll protect this stuff from car thieves?”

      It’s “DIN,” meaning “Deutsches Institut für Normung.” Apple offering any “xDIN” head unit would be a waste of time and resources; aftermarket car audio is a dead end. What’s the point when you’d have to replace most of your center stack just to put one of those pieces of crap in (and yes, aftermarket head units are pieces of crap.)

      “And with most cars coming with Navigation systems built in, I’m hoping Apple will just offer software to car companies as an option.”

      Hopefully it’s better than Maps in iOS 6.

      “I don’t like the 2.5mm jacks because the sound isn’t as crisp since it goes analog.”

      Oh, do tell me more…

    • 0 avatar
      Luke42

      I’d be interested in an Apple head unit. My 8 year old minivan is wonderful fine as far as family transportation goes, but I would like some newer electronics.

      My car has a double-DIN head unit, so there’s every reason I should be able to upgrade.

      I’ve been thinking about putting a Perott Asteroid Smart (an Android-based car stereo) in there, but I haven’t saved up the money for it yet:
      http://www.parrot.com/usa/products/asteroid-range/parrot-asteroid-smart
      It’s based on Android 2.3. I’d be more convinced of its quality if it were android 4.x, though.

      But, hey, if Apple wants my business, I’d love to take a look at their offering.

      • 0 avatar

        If Apple had a double DIN head unit that worked in my SRT8 that would be perfect – so long as it works with Uconnect.

      • 0 avatar
        Jacob

        The head unit market is dead and pretty much retarded. Why? Most of new cars has too much integration to allow a 3rd party head unit installed. The factory “head unit” is a lot more than audio cd/phone/radio system today. Their displays are integrated with the rest of car’s information systems. Therefore, the only people who buy those things are people with old cars. Having said that, if you want a head unit with a modern OS on it, take a look at Parrot. It runs Android OS and its apps.

        • 0 avatar
          JMII

          So true. Aftermarket head units are dead. Car manufactures might as well give up and allow Apple to design their radio interfaces, Apple seems to get this stuff right 90% of the time. Thus iOS in the car makes perfect sense. The problem is the other 10%. As long time Apple fan its funny to see the shoe on the other foot. Years ago getting your Mac to work with ANYTHING was impossible because every was PC-compatible. Now everything is iOS compatible and Android and MS users are out in the cold.

          However as much as I love Apple, touchscreen driven interfaces in vehicles is a STUPID idea. I actually bought an old school Alpine unit for my car because all the newer fancy touchscreen radios suck big time – no buttons, even the volume is a button you have to LOOK for.

  • avatar
    golden2husky

    If you can get all you want with the same data plan on your phone, that will be great. I, for one, have subscription fee burnout. All that crap adds up fast.

  • avatar
    Wscott97

    Does this mean you have to update your car anually and every three years your car will be outdated and you’ll have to buy a new car since all the new apps won’t be compatible?

    • 0 avatar

      If it’s done right, it means that your car can stay the same and every time you update your phone, or even get a new version of an app on your phone, that newness is immediately reflected on your car’s center stack touchscreen. All the apps run on your phone, not on the car. This, as they say, is a very good thing.

  • avatar
    Wscott97

    Does this mean you have to update your car annually and every three years your car will be outdated and you’ll have to buy a new car since all the new apps won’t be compatible?

  • avatar
    PCP

    I already have Android in my car (Asteroid Smart) since a few months and love it.

    Now obviously I wouldn’t want my car to tell me that I can’t take that road because late Steve wouldn’t have approved.

    So Android it’ll stay…

  • avatar
    jpolicke

    Better pack a lunch. With Apple maps guiding you, you may end up in the wrong continent.

    • 0 avatar
      mkirk

      The only GPS that has ever gotten me lost is the Military’d Blue Force Tracker. Android, Apple, and Garmin all get me there without issue.

      • 0 avatar
        Quentin

        Agreed. I’ve used Apple Maps, Google Maps, my built in Prius nav, a Garmin dash unit, and Mapquest Nav app (back when google maps didn’t do turn by turn on the iphone) with no problems. With a little common sense and reading ahead a bit, turn by turn makes the trip go a little smoother. If you are an idiot and punch in a destination 100 miles away without reading through the route and blindly follow the route, you’ve prepared to fail.

  • avatar

    looks ghastly but i’d still have it instead of the myford sync crap that blights the centre console of my (currently dead) focus st.

  • avatar
    Japanese Buick

    The technology to integrate your phone into your car already exists. It’s called Bluetooth. It’s also future proof, compared to a specific app like this.

  • avatar
    CarnotCycle

    “…iOS7 is ditching the old skeuomorphic look (fake brushed metal, fake leather, etc.) for a flat design that is damn near identical to what Google’s Android and Microsoft’s Windows 8 have been doing…”

    That snippet is half-right. Apple is taking a page (ripping off to be blunt) a lot of Windows 8′s ‘modern’ interface in iOS 7, right down to the font – but with a kind of Fisher-Price My First Phone sheen. And a couple soft-gadgets like the control-center-thingy-tab are inspired by Android’s built-in functionality.

    But in design UX treatment there are endless flavors of Android. Compare an HTC One (using Sense UI) to one of the multitude of Samsung Galaxies (using TouchWiz) and they are night-and-day different. Not to be confused with ‘stock’ Android UI (Nexus widgets) which have no focused design language at all.

    • 0 avatar

      Not that 99.9% of TTAC readers really care, but Android 4.x’s “Halo” design language is actually quite consistent and attractive. And if you look at side-by-side screen shots of things like the stock Android lock screen and the new Apple lock screen, you’ll see that Apple agrees.

  • avatar
    mkirk

    I like this. With my car and phone so tightly integrated I won’t need any of that onstar garbage as the NSA will know I have had a wreck long before some GM call center.

  • avatar
    Quentin

    Toyota tried to do this with Entune. It works… most of the time. It eats battery faster than data, so I don’t really use it other than using Bing search when I’m in a new city or sending a Bing destination to the car’s built in Nav unit. I can use Siri to ask for a destination or certain song to be played over the bluetooth, but none of that shows up on my vehicle screen, so I think iOS in the car would be a nice feature.

    I used to be one of those people that just wanted a 3.5mm jack. My Prius and 4Runner have bluetooth audio streaming with the ability to skip tracks from the steering wheel controls and that is MILES better than the 3.5mm jack in our MINI. Being able to download music to my phone while on a trip and listen immediately blows away using a thumb drive in a USB port as well. Holding the home button and asking “play Zero by the Smashing Pumpkins” and the song starts playing is much safer than using the scroll wheel on the opposite side of the head unit to scroll down to the song I want to hear (my 4Runner’s USB head unit works that way… clunky & slow).

  • avatar
    Timothy

    Techie geek and self proclaimed Apple guy (my first computer was a IIgs (graphics and sounds kiddies). My only question here is how the hell can I rip out the craptastic Sync *powered by Microsoft* and install Apple in it’s place?

    • 0 avatar
      bball40dtw

      nope. too bad. so sad.

      Remember: Sync – Good, MFT – Evil

      I do wish Ford would have thrown a bunch of money at Google or Apple to develop MFT. The current system has too many cooks in the kitchen with an end product that could so much better. Have you updated to version 3.5.1? I find it to be much better/more stable than the previous generation on my Focus, or the current V3.1.3 on my C-Max.

      • 0 avatar
        Timothy

        Tried to use Sync services last friday to figure out how bad traffic was from Boston to Hartford (amazingly enough, despite the deluge it wasn’t bad).

        I tried three times before I gave up. 1) Couldn’t find my location 2) didn’t recognize the city of Framingham 3) didn’t recognize the city of Natick. Now, I realize the car was filled with the noise of rain, wet tire roar, etc. It knew was I was asking, but couldn’t figure out how to get me the information. Finally I just gave up when the traffic cleared 30 miles into my journey. So I am not sold on Sync.

        MFT = PITA. How could ford bet so massively on this technology and yet release such a shitty product? I have 0 use for it. The navigation does work well, and for that section of MFT the voice recognition does well.

        Biggest complaint is when it comes to the entertainment section. It sucks. Easy enough when you have 1 version of a song one 1 album by an artist, but when you are into the Dead, Phish, DMB, etc and you have many bootlegs with specific versions of songs you want to hear you are SOL.

        I have simply taken to plugging my iphone or ipod into the USB port and controlling everything through the actual device vs MFT.

        I could go on but I think you get the idea surrounding my level of disdain for this product. I completely agree with your statement about Ford outsourcing the entire MFT to Apple or Google… though I certainly don’t relish the notion of Google knowing anything more about my life than they already do.

    • 0 avatar
      Luke42

      Apple doesn’t invent segments. They watch, learn, and then do a nice version before most people care that the segment even exists.

      There were lots of smart phones before the iPhone, they were just lousy. There were lots of MP3 players before the iPod, they were just lousy. There were personal computers before the Macintosh, Apple just raised the bar.

      Hopefully it’ll go the same way with car infotainment systems. There’s a lot of room to raise the bar. Apple, despite all of their other faults, is good at raising the bar in terms of the user experience.

      That said, I don’t particularly like being spoon fed fro, a jar of Apple ‘s secret sauce. Given the choice, I’ll take a Linux box. But I respect the skills and impact that Apple has.

  • avatar
    kjb911

    still waiting on the supposed update from Ford to give me applink on my focus…to add an even greater kick in the pants it is standard on 2013…meanwhile Microsoft is touting how it’s given sync to third party developers but doesn’t keep anyone in the loop about updates since they are still too preoccupied with MFT issues


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