By on May 1, 2013


While we normally avoid recall related stories here at TTAC, our beloved (well, not by me, really) Panthers get so little love elsewhere, we figure we may as well bring this to your attention.

NHTSA is looking into a possible defect in 2005-2008 Ford Police Interceptors, and I’m willing to bet somebody reading this site drives that exact vehicle. As per Automotive News (via Reuters)

NHTSA said it is conducting an engineering analysis into model year 2005-2008 Ford Motor Co. Crown Victoria police models for a potential steering issue. A connection between the upper and lower shafts of the steering column may have failed, causing separation of the shafts, NHTSA said.

 

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  • avatar
    danio3834

    Let me guess, it occurs when the vehicle is stationary on the side of the highway and another vehicle collides into it at 75+ mph.

  • avatar
    David Hester

    Well, that’s just great. My G-ride’s an ’07, so I guess I’ll be ordered to report to the Fleet Services garage sooner or later…

  • avatar
    mankyman

    Marvellous.
    Thinking about this happening to me on the highway at 75 mph with my kids in the back. Not funny.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHSO2rUqMqs

  • avatar
    PrincipalDan

    Interceptors only?

    • 0 avatar
      Pebble

      Now, as much as I *luuuuuuvvvvv* my plush Lincoln Town Car, I’d equally love to have a Police Interceptor Vic, preferably with spotlight…failing that, I need somebody’s spare Crown Vic wagon, Panther version of the Country Squire.

  • avatar
    CJinSD

    If this problem is showing up on their radar now, it is because these cars have a minimum of three years of taxi duty and 250,000 miles. Considering it is specific to the CVPI, the car single most likely to be driven 24 hours a day by multiple non-owners, I suspect that this is more of a result of the duty cycle than a defect.

  • avatar
    troyohchatter

    Forgive my disrespect, but CJ, I gotta call BS on that. I dont’ care if the car sees the ends of the earth, the ONE part of the car that cannot, under any circumsance, fail is the steering shaft. I can see one tie rod end failing, and even both tie rod ends failing as the car would stop pretty quickly, But if I understand this defect correctly, the actual steering wheel comes disconnected from the front wheels, resulting in a loss of steering control. As a previous owner of Ford Taurus and Windstar, the idea that they would design a steering shaft of such poor quality that it would actually break does not surprise me in the least.

    • 0 avatar
      CJinSD

      I’m not a usual Ford defender, but it seems to me that the Police Interceptor probably doesn’t have an inferior steering column to the Grand Marquis. You’re right that steering columns should not fail. Would column failures, or failures of similarly critical components, be more common in other cars if they were literally driven until the wheels fall off by uncaring operators? Most cars probably see about 150,000 miles of daily driver use over ten years or spending the rest of their service life as beaters, maybe lasting another 30 to 50 thousand miles before decrepitude retires them. CVPIs are much more likely to accumulate fifty to a hundred thousand miles a year from day one until they’re stripped and crushed. They’re driven over curbs by police officers and then driven through potholes by cabbies, rarely with the mechanical sympathy of someone making the payments.

      • 0 avatar
        PrincipalDan

        I agree with CJinSD (which is a pretty rare occurrence, FYI). My dad’s boss put 300,000 miles on an early 80s GM B-body wagon. The thing that finally made him let go of it was when the steering linkage fell apart as he was pulling into his businesses parking lot one day.

        He didn’t go around cussing GM for not making more durable parts, he thanked his lucky stars that it happened at low speed and cussed himself for not having his mechanics inspect his car better with that many crazy high miles on it.

  • avatar

    I hate these goddamned things.

    I was on the Northern State racing when I pulled right up to the back of one of these damn things in the middle of the road. I immediately thought he was State Police. Turned out to be some 70+ year old man driving at 50mph, so I pulled around him to the left and returned to 85mph cruising.

    Every time I see one of these things I think he’s an unmarked state car.

    The state sucks so much that they have Charger 5.7L on the road with one side painted regularly and the other side says “POLICE”. So when you drive past one, all the sudden they thrown on their lights.

    I’ve had these pigs in my rearview so much I keep my license and registration together at this point. No tickets lately though because I’m a lovable guy!

    • 0 avatar
      PrincipalDan

      The Charger is more insidious because it is actually selling in decent civilian numbers and for some reason a decent # seem to be white, black, and gray.

    • 0 avatar
      Pebble

      Remember, always “Drive 55, Stay Alive.” FWIW, when I had my ’92 Crown Vic people would always act funny when I pulled up behind them–they though I was the law rolling undercover.

  • avatar
    Felis Concolor

    A bad batch of rag joints?

  • avatar
    AFX

    I always love it when they have safety recalls for something that you’d normally think would have been engineered correctly since at least the 1970′s. Things like failing ball joints in Dodge Ram pickup trucks, or the Ford cruise control fires.

    My favorite one was the 2000 Ford Focus that had rear wheel bearing failure issues that could cause the rear wheel to detach from the car.

    My second favorite one was the steering column locking issues on the C5 Corvette that would cause the steering column to stay locked up completely when you tried to start the car.

    At one time I owned a 1992 Olds Achieva. One day I went to the gas station to get gas, filled up the car, jumped back in, and turned the key in the ignition. Something went *SNAP* in the steering column, and the key just flopped back and forth in the ignition switch like the guts of it became dissasembled. I never had that happened before in a car, and that’s including all the GM cars from the 1960′s, 70′s, and 80′s that my family owned previously. When this car finally died I was looking at car review websites for something to replace it with. I happened to glance at the “trouble spots” repair history for a 2002 model year Cavalier, and one of the things listed was “ignition switch failure”. That’s right, TEN YEARS AFTER they made my 1992 Olds they were STILL making cars with failure prone ignition switches. Somebody in the engineering department at GM should have been kicked in the nuts.

    I can almost forgive them for boneheaded ideas like Dexcool and plastic intake manifold failures, because that was all new unproven technology at the time, but steering shafts, lock switches, ball joints, and wheel bearings aren’t new unproven technologies. It’s just lousy engineering.

  • avatar
    troyohchatter

    Checker cabs and all matter of domestic big 3 vehicles have been used for taxi and police duty for decades and this is the first time I have ever heard of a steering shaft or column failure of any kind let alone enough to attract interest of safety nazis because it’s become frequent. Seeing as other vehicles have been used for the same purpose without this sort of failure, I don’t think the abuse of the part plays a hand in this, rather then part’s substandard design.

    EDIT: It’s not even a substandard design, but rather a substandard spec of the part once it is designed. This is what’s happened in the past, be it the Corvair or Pinto or whatever. The designer designs the part to suite, then the engineers and beancounters butt heads over what can be removed and the vehicle still be serviceable. The original part, as designed and specified, did NOT fail like this. It’s only when you get beancounters and the engineers that work with them answering the question “can we lighten this up” or “Does this part really need to be this big/small/large/thick/etc?” Can we use plastic?


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