By on March 27, 2013

Who cares about the Chevrolet SS? GM just stuffed an LS7 in the Camaro. Even though the Camaro is one of my least favorite cars, I cannot wait to drive this thing, visibility be damned.

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112 Comments on “2014 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 Makes The SS Irrelevant...”


  • avatar
    Steve65

    “Who cares about the Chevrolet SS?”

    People who have to pay for the cars they drive? Or live with them for longer than it takes to burn through a tank of gas and a set of rear tires?

  • avatar
    bachewy

    Not a fan of the new Camaro shape but I gotta admit that Z-28 is sexy!

  • avatar
    doctor olds

    The product is just getting better and better! Once you drive an LS7, most anything else seems like a slug! Now, for an LS7 in the SS, too, so we can have a nice sedan to go with a coupe.

    • 0 avatar
      Athos Nobile

      The LS7 has already been fitted to the Commodore.

      • 0 avatar
        doctor olds

        @Athos Nobile- LS7 is virtually plug and play in any other “LS” equipped vehicle as they are all the same physical size.

        Crate LS7’s have also been available here for years, but they are $14,000 or so! There are the complications of locating and plumbing the remote oil reservoir for the dry sump. The only good solution is a vehicle designed for it, imho.

        I picked up a C5 Corvette with LS6+ level performance mods, a former car dealer’s track toy. His attention turned to the LS7 as soon as it was on the horizon. After driving the current Z06 Corvette, I began thinking of my Corvette as a “girls” car in comparison (no offense to females intended!). LS7 Corvettes are still pricey. Someday….

  • avatar
    Maxseven

    The wheels are silly looking.

  • avatar
    thelaine

    Meh. I like the SS because of its radical, cutting-edge styling, compared to this boring, cookie-cutter Camaro. The SS just says, “Look at me!”

    This car is for Lincoln buyers, assuming there are any, which there are not, except for people who just got a reverse mortgage and freed up some cash.

    Also, the windows on this thing are way too big. They should just eliminate the glass and seal it up completely. In a high-speed collision with a pedestrian, glass is dangerous.

    • 0 avatar
      dolorean

      So…complete the concrete bunker look. Tell you what, lets just narrow it down to the three 3″x10″ vision blocks from the M1A1 MBT and add the Commander’s Cupola and just call it a day.

      • 0 avatar
        SVMaldemer

        CITV would do it, I think. The full cupola would make it a bit top heavy (and it properly belongs behind the passenger/gunner’s seat, so you’d have to have someone along to give the driver directions).

        Probably gets about the same gas mileage as an M1 though.

      • 0 avatar
        thelaine

        Yeah dolorean, high beltlines apparently prevent us from running over European pedestrians, or something. Still trying to work out the details…

        • 0 avatar
          redav

          Funny thing is that when hitting a pedestrian, it’s better for them to go over the car than under, and raising the hood makes it more likely for them to go under than over.

          • 0 avatar
            thelaine

            Oh, redav, it is so arrogant of you to question the wisdom of your betters at the European High Commission For The Safety And Protection of Everything and Everyone Through Regulation Promulgation (EHCSPEETRP).

            The EHCSPEETRP folks are smarter than you and love you and care for you like you were their very own child. Please do not talk back.

            The bottom line here is that now suicidal Europeans who leap out in front of cars are less likely to immediately die, and instead are more likely to be horribly injured. This provides a valuable training opportunity for European medical students.

            The United States has adopted these standards because we, after many decades of being perceived as being arrogant and standoffish, are trying to mend fences with the Europeans.

            Since European pedestrians are, apparently, notably clumsy and otherwise inclined to hurl themselves in front of cars, we have adopted the European Pedestrian Safety Standards in our cars as well. This was done, obviously, to protect European pedestrians when they are visiting us here in the United States. I think the price we pay in not being able to see out of the windows of our cars is a small one.

            I am certain the Europeans will be, as usual, deeply and eternally grateful for anything we Americans do for them.

        • 0 avatar
          ttacgreg

          One has to wonder how many accidents may have happened due to decreased outward visibility in these high belt line bunkermobiles.

  • avatar
    Zackman

    I’d be a fan if I could SAFELY see out of it. With my visual impairment, I’d be a danger to others on the road because of lousy rear and side quarter glass, or lack thereof.

    • 0 avatar
      golden2husky

      Zackman, do what my buddy did: Get a convertible! A lot of folks here said this car sucks and after the “mullet” folks get their fill, the car would be glued to dealer lots. Well, history paints quite a different picture, pretty much an opposite of that. With this type of car you either get it, or you don’t. After extended time in the driver’s seat, I find it a bit too heavy for my tastes, but something about it is awesome anyway. No car this heavy should handle this well – at least those with the latest suspension tuning…

      • 0 avatar
        Zackman

        I know a few who own them, and they do love them.

        I agree, a convertible would be the way I’d have to go. A little more visibility goes a long way!

      • 0 avatar
        CV Neuves

        Indeed, this is a car that is at its very best as a convertible. And then it is fabulous! The coupé might indeed only more suitable for people that had recent experiences like Bradley Manning.

        If I need the Z28? Probably not. The undeadable 6.2 litre 426 HP V8 of the SS does the job for this car and allows the odd showy moment and gulps down enough petrol to keep my servo happy. Well, I can say that, as I don’t want to spend a single hour on a track and rather cruise in comfort rather than craving for adrenalin rushes on curvy roads. Other people may have other requirements – and are prepared to pay the price.

  • avatar
    Sgt Beavis

    I’m a Mustang guy, but I like this. I hope Ford really brings something to the table with the next gen ‘stang.

    • 0 avatar
      dolorean

      As a fellow Stang luver, I hate myself for drooling over this thing. Must find some equally tantalizing Ford porn…

    • 0 avatar
      hubcap

      I agree. In fact, the ZL1 kinda tickles my fancy also. Can’t wait to see the next gen Mustang.

    • 0 avatar
      Kyree S. Williams

      I’m a General Motors guy, but I think that what Ford has planned for the next Mustang (which will be released either in 2014 or 2015) will blow the Chevrolet Camaro right out of the water. Ford is planning to bring the American muscle-car out of the retro school of design and into something more sculpted and world-class, and I can’t wait to see it in the flesh…

  • avatar
    thegamper

    Regardless of its performance credentials, I never have been able to get over the camaro’s styling. It seems like a caricature of a real car. Being so closely associated with the transformers movie prolly doesnt help. I guess I am getting old and this is a bit too loud perhaps.

    • 0 avatar
      FuzzyPlushroom

      Hell, I’m 21 and I feel that way… but then every car I’ve bought has been a pre-Ford Volvo of some sort. For me it’s the visibility and practicality, so I could see myself owning an SS – or, more likely, an ex-detective Caprice – someday, but a Camaro? Not unless I get knocked on the head again and find a beater third-gen.

      • 0 avatar
        Ryoku75

        I prefer more modest styling myself, it’d be nice to see muscle cars that aren’t all “Look at me pretty lady, I have the biggest biceps around!”.

        • 0 avatar

          Wouldn’t muscle without biceps be a contradiction in terms?

          • 0 avatar
            statikboy

            I prefer a car with legs.

          • 0 avatar
            redav

            “Wouldn’t muscle without biceps be a contradiction in terms?”

            Muscle =/= douche. Think of it like a wrestler in street clothes. You don’t have to wear a too-tight, too-short shirt & carry around a gallon jug of work-out drink mix to be the strongest guy in the room.

          • 0 avatar
            hubcap

            Take a look at the pantheon of performance cars and tell me how many look “mild mannered”.

            Most have all manner of scoops, bulges, spoilers, and vents. I’d say the Miata, RX-8, Cayman/Boxster, and the base vette are the only ones who don’t shout their performance intentions in such a way.

            The others, such as M, AMG, RS, V, SRT, higher corvette variants, just about every Porsche, Jaguar(XK and F-type as well as the R variants), the muscle car trifecta, and of course the exotics do.

            But I prefer a more athletic/muscular look. M3s look better than a regular 3 series. An M5 looks better than a normal 5 series. To my eyes, this process repeats down the line with a few exceptions, notably the Jaguar R cars.

            All in all I’m glad to have the choice.

      • 0 avatar
        hubcap

        Go drive a ZL1, your tune may change. I’m not saying the Camaro doesn’t have its faults but the beige brigade seems to be out in force.

        Resistance isn’t futile. You can overcome. And its okay to own a good looking performance car if that’s what you want.

        Say it with me…”every car need not be boring and beige.”

  • avatar
    danio3834

    If anything, it renders the ZL1 irrelevant.

    • 0 avatar
      gessvt

      Not to mention the 1LE. Was the 1LE slang for “supposed to be a Z/28, but too heavy to be taken seriously”?

      • 0 avatar
        danio3834

        Yeah that too. I think the 1LE must have been a stop-gap to compete with the Boss while the Z/28 was getting ready.

        I was surprised when the ZL1 wasn’t called the Z/28. And suprised again when the 1LE didn’t wear the name. But I’m happy to find out what they really had planned all along is this LS7 beast.

  • avatar
    jaybird124

    I’m a little confused. In the previous generation, the SS was the top of the range model with the Z/28 fitting in the middle. Now they’ve flip flopped.

    • 0 avatar
      danio3834

      They’re going back to the hierarchy of the 1st gen Camaro where the SS and Z/28 were cars with different intentions. The Z/28 was the Trans Am racer while the SS was the drag strip king.

      • 0 avatar
        rpol35

        “The Z/28 was the Trans Am racer while the SS was the drag strip king.”

        You are right about that and the product differentiation has been confused for years. I think it got muddled after the SS was dropped the first time at the end of 1972 leaving only the Z28.

        Years ago the Z28 with its 302 CI motor was just a production homologation for the Trans Am car as required by SCCA rules; same with the ’69 ZL-1 which was the production variant for the Can-AM series and its use of the all aluminum 427 MK-IV motor. Now, it’s just different product without a real clear delineation.

        • 0 avatar
          carrya1911

          Doesn’t help that GM has slapped “SS” on all sorts of stuff that had no business wearing the badge.

          • 0 avatar
            Lynchenstein

            Bah! The kid down the street with the green Cobalt SS has a great stereo. What you talkin’ ’bout? :-)

          • 0 avatar

            According to Edmunds the 2008 Cobalt SS was the fastest car under $25,000 that model year, with a 260 HP turbo motor, so in the case of the Cobalt it wasn’t just a sticker and badge package.

            I’ve never really understood the hate for the Cobalt just because it wasn’t the class leading Honda Civic.

          • 0 avatar
            sunridge place

            Worst offenders of the Chevy SS badge in the 2000’s?

            Malibu SS
            Trailblazer SS

            It got pretty bad.

            Other SS models had some credibility. Ironically, the Impala SS (went away after 08MY) had the 5.3V8 with 303HP. The 3.6L V6 in the 2014 Impala has 305HP.

          • 0 avatar
            THE ARS

            SS was introduced as a trim package.

  • avatar
    philadlj

    The thing is, the Z/28 is stripped down (no stereo, A/C optional, no trunk carpeting, etc.) and “track-focused”, whereas the SS has all the niceties and is more road-focused. Probably cheaper too. I think there’s room for both in the Camaro corral. That being said, it’s getting to be big corral: LT/LS/SS/Z28/ZL1/COPO, from least to most insane.

  • avatar

    I’m with you, Derek. I wouldn’t want one… but I kinda want one.

  • avatar
    mikey

    Bring it on. As a 2SS owner the more interest in any model of the Camaro,the better it is for me.

    Camaro styling, is indeed subjective. Personally I like the fact that the Camaro, and to some extent the Mustang,look different. You look at a Camaro,and love it, or hate it,you know what it is.

  • avatar
    tjh8402

    I’m a Mustang guy through and through, but this is my favorite V8 in any car in production, and I’m so glad to see GM keep it around. Yeah, I’d take this over a GT500 any day, power be damned. There’s nothing like a 7.0 liter engine that still revs to 7,000 rpms. Well done GM.

  • avatar
    suspekt

    This is one of the few reveals in the past year that made me really happy…. I would say of all the Camaro variants unveiled since 2010, this is the one to have…

    – 250 pound weight reduction
    – carbon ceramic brakes
    – LS7 motor
    – Widened front and rear fenders (albeit glued on extensions a la Porsche 997 GT3)

    This is THE Camaro to have…

    But I must admit, the ZL1 looks fantastic as well

  • avatar
    xflowgolf

    3 sentences? really? I learned more about the Z28 debut from Jalopnik. What is happening?

  • avatar
    Ryoku75

    Just copy paste a piece of my reaction on the new Cadillac, but change “Mercedes” to “Volkswagen”, that white paint isn’t helping either. I do like the new non-Maibu taillights, except they look identical to a Preludes taillights!

    I’ll be honest though, the only Camaros that I really care for are the first “coke bottle” generation, everything after that looked like a VegaMonza.

    • 0 avatar
      hubcap

      “…they look identical to a Preludes taillights!”

      Look at a 69’s tail lights and look at these. The older car was the inspiration, not the Prelude.

      • 0 avatar
        daiheadjai

        Nonetheless – my first thought was “Honda called – the corpse of the Prelude wants its pants back”

        Most active car buyers today will remember the Prelude, not the ’69 Camaro…

        Even the rear 3/4 view is strikingly reminiscent of the departed Prelude.

        • 0 avatar
          hubcap

          “Most active car buyers today will remember the Prelude, not the ’69 Camaro…”

          That may be true but it in no way affects their provenance and I’d say that a healthy number of Z28 buyers would remember.

          That being said, ignorance is ignorance in much the same way some see a remake of a remake and claim it as an original.

  • avatar
    Marko

    300 lbs lost – by making A/C optional. LOL.

    I like the changes, though. Do the taillights remind anyone else of an early (1992-1994) Lexus SC?

    • 0 avatar
      AFX

      “300 lbs lost – by making A/C optional. LOL.”

      Next year it’ll gain 25lbs with the Shop-Vac option, so you can clean up all the spilled weed and Cheetos after a weekend of cruising.

  • avatar
    rmwill

    Ugly tail lights are now a Chevy brand cue.

  • avatar
    lzaffuto

    Love the styling except I wish they would fix the greenhouse. My wife is super short, and she smacked her head while climbing into one at the auto show. Then, knowing she smacked her head, I tried really carefully getting in and still bumped mine as well. And then once inside you feel claustrophobic like driving a tank. Was there no way to raise the roof just a few inches without destroying the looks?

  • avatar
    pacificpom2

    Simple: Z/28 is for the young buck out to impress his peer group with how long he can smoke the tires in a straight line. The SS is for the guy who can take 3 of his peer group in comfort, smoke the tires in a straight line and go around corners, handle and then take the family for a relaxed drive in real comfort. Two different demographics, and didn’t GM brass themselves say the SS is a 4 door Camaro? Considering the roots of the Camaro, more like it’s the two door SS.

  • avatar
    Big Al from Oz

    I do prefer the looks of the SS, but that’s probably due to me being Australian and used to the shapes.

    But, good on GM. Imagine when they are offered with the V6 twin turbo Caddy engine.

    I do know the V8 crowd loves their V8s, but the Camaro with the turbo 6 will be a rocket.

    Hopefully a good suspension package is offered to give much better handling to match the straight line speed.

    • 0 avatar
      DenverMike

      The TTV6 just does everything the 6.2 V8 does so whats the point? It likely weighs about the same with similar MPG and similar HP & torque. What’s the point of adding all the extra plumbing, cooler, hardware and moving parts parts to fail? The all aluminum pushrod V8 wins.

    • 0 avatar
      golden2husky

      The ZL1 suspension tuning is excellent…

    • 0 avatar
      AFX

      “But, good on GM. Imagine when they are offered with the V6 twin turbo Caddy engine.

      I do know the V8 crowd loves their V8s, but the Camaro with the turbo 6 will be a rocket.”

      That’d be an awesome idea!. A Camaro owner could then wear his satin “TURBO” jacket to work at his fireworks stand.

      P.S. One thing I’d like to mention is that the proper spelling of the car name by the cognescenti is “Camero”, if you don’t believe me check your local Craigslist ads. Also, from perusing the ads over the years I’ve gleaned that a Camero with a “Possy” rear end is better than one without, “IROC” is an acronym for Italian Retard Out Cruising, a heater is optional as long as it can be bypassed with red heater hose, and engines and transmissions are optional on older Cameros from the 60s. You can search Craigslist to find an older Camero, but another way to do it is to just type in “Trailer park” in Google Maps. The aerial view of Google Maps works better than the street view in locating a Camero, due to the uncut grass and weeds usually growing around the cars for sale.

      • 0 avatar
        Big Al from Oz

        @AFX
        Reading some of your other contributions as well maybe you should be wearing the turbo jacket…………..to match your mouth:)

        Does your “Camero” use the same CAFE regs as the Chev SS. If it does then read the article I just posted at the bottom of the page.

        You might be in for a shock, but I hope not.

        It seems the Chev SS number might be limited because of CAFE regs. I hope this doesn’t apply to the “Camero”.

        It also appears our Commodore might be getting a supercharged LS3 version. That’s good for us, but I hope for you guys things work out.

        If the V8’s are going to be limited the turbo 6 look good.

        But Australia has always been a V8 country as well.

        CAFE you have to love it:)

        • 0 avatar
          thelaine

          It seems you are preaching to the choir on CAFE Big Al. Do people defend it on this site? It is a nanny-state clusterfk. I would dump it and not replace it with any fuel economy regulation. Just tax the fuel. If you want to pay the tax, buy the gas. (Sorry “petrol” you pump from a “bowser” at a “servo”). Then you can buy and drive what you want. Use the tax money to maintain the roads and bridges. How hard is that? Who argues with you about his Big Al? CAFE sucks. So do all these stupid automobile fuel conservation regulations. People can decide for themselves how much money they want to allocate to fuel costs. Hands off my !@#$ V8 Holden Chevy SS Camero! Whatever, I’m going to grab a couple a VBs and watch some footie.

          • 0 avatar
            Big Al from Oz

            @thelaine
            On PUTC I’m critical of CAFE and they want to chase me off the site.

            I don’t think they realise how much damage it will cause. Ford’s wanting to join the UNECE is the best option at the moment.

            And, like you stated, tax fuel like we do. Don’t make it at Euro/Japanese levels but enough to allow normal people who can afford an ecologically irresponsible vehicle to have one.

            I’m sorry I don’t agree with your take on vehicle pedestrian safety, safety is paramount.

            As the world becomes more affluent, people want more beef and milk, I’m waiting for the greenies to come up with a emissions plan for cows farting.

          • 0 avatar
            thelaine

            Thanks for the response Big Al. As for the Europed issue, safety is just an engineering tradeoff like anything else. In this case, it would appear that visibility has been limited to comply with these regs, or so I have been informed. Just an opinion, but this is a tradeoff I could do without. I like to see out of the freaking car.

          • 0 avatar
            doctor olds

            The nanny states in Europe,Canada and Australia know no bounds when it comes to protecting people from themselves. Our current administration is working overtime to get America to join them.

            Reminds me of the ridiculous decades old ban on wire wheel spinners (fake or otherwise) inspired by Ralph Nader to protect pedestrians from being maimed!

            Ignorant, non scientific, but oh so appealing to the statist desire for ever increasing control of society.

          • 0 avatar
            DenverMike

            I’ve yet to hear anyone defend CAFE, but Holden marketing directors likes to explain lack of US interest in their autos as being regulated out the US. Repeating their propaganda doesn’t make it so and will definitely earn you ridicule. All the while ignoring the fact that these autos are failing in there own home country.

            Holden marketing even blamed the Chicken tax on keeping their Holden Ute out of the US when there’s an absolute Free Trade Agreement between the US and Australia.

            http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2012/08/chicken-tax-derails-u-s-success-of-holden-ute/#comment-2019985

      • 0 avatar
        Larry P2

        Jew hating Nazi skinheads and serial killers agree with the anti-“Camero” ranter above: The solid choice the cars of famous rapists and serial killers has disproportionately came from Germany. Christian Wilder raped and killed at least 8 women while he was an IMSA GTU class racer in his Porsche 911. And how can we forget Ted Bundy, who viciously raped and slaughtered scores of women with his VW Beetle as an important prop in his technique. And the founder of Porsche/Volkswagen himself, one Ferdinand Prosche (an honorary Waffen SS officer), avidly participated in the mass murder and forced enslavement of Jews.
        rew
        So bring it on with the redneck, mis-spellin’ satin-jacket trailer park crew!

        • 0 avatar
          28-Cars-Later

          Just wow. I can’t even tell which comment you’re actually responding to but please when you’re going to go on a rant get your facts straight.

          Dr. Ferdinand Porsche did NOT have a Waffen-SS commission, if you knew anything about the history of the period you would know what the Waffen-SS was and the difference between it and the political branch, Allgemeine SS. Porsche like many of his time supported the regime and probably was given some sort of honorary commission in the political branch, so what. Mikhail Kalashnikov is a fricking Russian general more or less because he designed the original AK-47. Dictators shower you with titles and gifts when you do well, this is nothing new.

          Drawing a distinction between serial killers and German cars is quite a stretch. Both Wilder and Bundy could have been driving Yugos its irrelevant because they were both deranged murderers.

          Oh and please remember Dr. Porsche’s name is NOT spelled P-r-o-s-c-h-e.

        • 0 avatar
          thelaine

          I believe the new European Pedestrian Safety Regulations are going to go a long way toward preventing these German cars from murdering any more Jews.

  • avatar
    AFX

    Cars like this are the ruination of many a young man:

    Young man + money= Camaro.

    Young man + Camaro= Cruising, racing, speeding tickets, hot girlfriend.

    Young man + hot girlfriend= Kids.

    Kids > Camaro.

    Kids = Trade in Camaro for Honda minivan with more room and a Shop-Vac.

    Or:

    Hot girlfriend + kid= Young man sells Camaro to make child support payments. He winds up driving a beat up Cavalier instead.

    Anyway you look at it cars like this just lead young men down the road to ruin with either speeding tickets, kids, or child support, and in the end you’ll wind up losing the car anyways. A young guy would be better off in the long run by just eco-modding a Geo Metro and forgetting about the fast cars and hot girlfriends.

    • 0 avatar
      thelaine

      I don’t know what you were drinking yesterday AFX, but you were on a roll. Absolutely hilarious. Thank you.

    • 0 avatar
      Pinzgauer

      Funny, my equation is the exact opposite.

      Young man + no money = Dodge Neon

      Young man + no money + Dodge Neon = hot girlfriend

      Young man + hot girlfriend + finally made money = kids

      1st Kid = buy Miata

      2nd Kid = need family sports car

      need family sports car = Boss 302

      It sometimes works out well :)

    • 0 avatar
      chaparral

      AFX,

      I’ve owned a ’99 Corvette for the past 3.5 years. This has coincided with an epic dry spell romantically. No woman, at a major state university, has ever come up to me to compliment the car or left a number under the windshield wiper.

      A Miata is slightly more effective, but the last time women had any interest in me I drove a ’93 Pontiac Sunbird that I could beat in a hundred-yard dash.

      • 0 avatar
        challenger2012

        I suggest if you want compliments, get a Red RT Challenger. I am up to compliment number 16 by strangers. I have had college girls lean out of their SUV to look at my car, my dental hygenist compliment me while driving by the her office, a female hotel clerk what to go for a ride in it, a man on a Harley Davidson park next to me in a parking lot so he could talk about my car, kids on the street give me the thumbs up as I drive by, even as I was at the dealership getting the paperwork in order, people were gauking at it as it was being preped.

  • avatar
    nrd515

    The best of the present Camaros, looks wise. That isn’t saying much. 3rd on the list isn’t too good. I would take a Charger or the SS over this, and I’m not a big fan of the looks of either car.

  • avatar
    Big Al from Oz

    It seems CAFE will probably make the Chev SS redundant before anything else. Or it will kill the numbers that can be sold in the US.

    Here they are looking at a supercharged LS3? for the Commodore. Now that should have a few Sir Isaac’s and ponies.

    The UNECE push by Ford might not be that stupid after all.

    Have a read.

    http://news.drive.com.au/drive/motor-news/fuel-to-curb-vf-commodore-exports-20130328-2gvpe.html

  • avatar
    raph

    I’ve heard the Z/28 is supposed to sell in the 60-70k range, as the top performing factory Camaro it will certainly be king but I don’t think it will render the SS, 1LE, or ZL1 moot at that price and content point. I suspect the Z/28 given the time frame for the fifth gen Camaro’s replacement is Camaro’s version of the Porsche GT2 RS which if that’s the case, expect this car to be snapped up and hoarded away as part of some Camaro fan’s retirement portfolio.

    Personally I’d would have been happy with the 1LE getting the LS7 and called the Z/28. It would have been closer in spirit to the original in much the same way that the recently retired Boss 302 was to the original.

    • 0 avatar
      noxioux

      At $60,000+, I could put a crate LS9/6-speed, with a full Hotchkis suspension treatment in my ’68 resto-mod Camaro and tear this thing’s head off on road or track.

      And have enough money left over to buy a fair 2nd gen F-body for the next project. . .

      Just sayin.

      • 0 avatar
        Maxseven

        You neglect to mention that your “resto-mod Camaro,” after these changes, wouldn’t have any of the modern materials, electronics, sensor arrays, safety features, lighting, glass, body tolerances, aerodynamics and level of fit and finish as the new Z28 would. It wouldn’t have a warranty, be rust-free and nearly as comfortable either.

        Just sayin.

  • avatar
    Nicola

    I think that the title of this article is irrelevant. The Chevy SS and the Camaro serve two different purposes. The SS, like the Pontiac G8 before it, is a relatively practical performance sedan that can fit five people without provoking violence. The Camaro strikes me as a big two-seater, with space for additional unfortunate passengers in a pinch. My only concern regarding the SS is that it will be priced too high. Otherwise I will gladly get one to replace my G8 when it is put to pasture. As far as looks, that is subjective. I am not a big fan of the Camaro and its lack of visibility (convertible is OK, though), but the basic shape of the Commodore and its variants is classic and clean. In fact, I would have preferred the G8 without the hood scoops; better a wolf in sheep’s clothing. Either way I wish Chevy well. Can’t have too many V8s running around.

    • 0 avatar
      Big Al from Oz

      @Nicola
      I agree with you.

      When I was in Vegas last year I saw mainly women driving the Camaro and elderly men.

      From what I saw and I’m probably wrong the Camaro appears to be what we term in Australia a “hairdresser’s car” or a mid life crisis toy.

      The HSV’s we have in Australia are more versitile. You see them in shopping centres driven by wives with kids strapped in the back seats.

      But everyone is entitled to a competitive choice. If everyone was the same the world would be boring. We would nothing to complain or brag about.

      • 0 avatar
        WestwardGeoff

        Well said. Though I’d add that in the U.S., the Chevy “halo car,” i.e. the Corvette, the true American sports car, is becoming less and less attainable new by the average Joe. Thus, those in the marker for a new, LS-powered high performance coupe must increasingly look to Camaro. Fortunately, Chevy appears to be anticipating that shift.

        • 0 avatar
          Big Al from Oz

          @WestwardGeoff
          I think you’ll find the Chev SS will not compete so to speak directly against the 2 door pony cars like the Camaro.

          As a sedan here and in Europe it compete against M series BMWs, AMG, Audi’s, etc.

          They can be used as a family car to go shopping in.

          I hope the build quality for you guys is good as well.

  • avatar
    AFX

    I heard there’s going to be a “Special Edition” Z/28 similar to what the Corvette guys have done in the past with things like the Ron Fellows editiion Corvette.

    The new Z/28 will come in a Kip Winger Special Edition. It’ll have two red stripes painted over the front fenders, a custom sound system featuring a Kraco cassette player head unit and Mindblower speakers, and it’ll come with a can of Final Net in the glovebox autographed by Kip Winger himself. Driver’s side vanity mirror will be part of the package too.

  • avatar
    Big Al from Oz

    A 7.0 litre Camaro. Interesting.

    http://www.carsguide.com.au/news-and-reviews/car-news/camaro_z28_powered_by_hsv_w427

    • 0 avatar
      doctor olds

      The LS7 is a great engine for anything! Glad to see use expanded beyond Corvette and that limited production Holden/Vauxhall model.

      • 0 avatar
        Big Al from Oz

        @doctor olds
        I don’t know if you opened and read my link above.

        It seems CAFE could reduce the numbers of Chev SS’s, I hope not.

        After reading the article you can see why V6 turbos are going to be the future. Even if they only get a couple of mpg’s better you can still have performance.

        But that is the way of the world.

        • 0 avatar
          doctor olds

          @BigAl- There is no doubt that the draconian increase in CAFE requirements demanded over the next few years will add pressure to limit or eliminate large, powerful vehicles in America. Buick Regal, for example, does not use the turbo V6 AWD powertrain being sold in the Opel/Vauxhall version in Europe. Here, they are only available with 4 cylinders. CAFE will not be an issue for the SS at this time, but will limit Chevrolet’s efforts to increase sales above a niche level.

          My knowledge of the new CAFE standards is sketchy. They were not on the books when I retired. I remain hopeful that the new footprint (track width multiplied by wheelbase) based approach may let some larger cars be sold instead of forcing those who want large RWD vehicles into the SUVs and Truck based vehicles we have today. It is hard to foresee all the consequences, intended or otherwise, of this latest increase in governmental intervention in the auto business.

          fwiw- The US government is giving exemption to the Germans, BMW and Mercedes, to let them delay their compliance. No such pass is given to Cadillac, Lincoln, Lexus because their makers offer fuller lines of vehicles. I am probably dreaming, but hope they back off this current CAFE standard. As it stands, we won’t recognize the fleet of offerings from every maker compared to what they sell today if makers have to comply with 54MPG CAFE.
          I should add that new LT1 V8 derivatives probably can produce mileage just as good as the twin turbo V6, maybe better. GM has just spent several hundred million dollars on the new V8 which proves they have a long term plan to keep making them.

  • avatar
    markl67

    I like the styling of the new Camaro, but having owned Camaros and Mustangs the Fords have been very durable vs GM… for me anyway. Cant wait to see some real world perf numbers cuz the ZL1 is a joke. Most 444 horse Boss 302’s can easily take out the 540 horse ZL1. A buddy of mine with a ’13 Boss with nothing but drag radials has laid down 11.80’s.

  • avatar
    ChevyGuy81

    Who cares about the SS? Maybe somebody that wants an AC and a radio in there car? Not to mention the Z28 is. Track car meant for car enthusiasts that want to spend 56k on a car with no AC or radio. And yes the LS7 is amazing. It makes 500HP. I currently own a SS LS3 with bolt ons that runs 540HP and 520lbs of TQ. I have 315s in the rear and other suspension adjustments. All costing under 56k and will eat a Z28 alive.
    This is before I add a cam and a supercharger which will bring it in to the 750-800HP range. That will run me another 6-8. So for the price of a Z28, my SS will make it look like a prius, while I’m listening to my radio and blowing AC.
    Real Camaro owners know that the majority of the fastest Camaros on the road are SS, because your not spending 60k like a ZL1 or Z28, you can make your car An absolute beast for under 50gs.
    LS7 is an awesome motor and the Z28 is a great car but saying “who cares about the SS” is ignorant.


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