By on October 25, 2012

 

Stephen Odell, CEO of Ford Europe, thinks that state aid of ailing carmakers is a dead-end street.

Odell told Reuters:

“I don’t think it’s sustainable for support from governments to keep competitive companies going forward, particularly in a protracted downsized economy.”

Odell also said that some automakers question the legality of Peugeot government bailout. Germany’s state of Lower Saxony, second largest Volkswagen shareholder, already announced steps against the bailout.

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11 Comments on “Le Bailout: Ford Is Against It...”


  • avatar
    tatracitroensaab

    Do you guys think that the bailout will actually be approved? I’m guessing not, due to EU rules and whatnot. Ironic that “them socialist anti-capitalist europeans” wont do bailouts of their automakers due to competition rules ;)

    • 0 avatar
      Pch101

      The Swedes threw money at Saab in an effort to get it sold off.

      The Germans were offering Magna cash and prizes to acquire Opel, until GM decided not to sell it.

      Everyone is self-interested in these situations. One minute, the Germans are putting together bailout packages for their own industries; the next, they’re whining about it when their neighbors talk about doing the same thing.

      As I keep saying, the PSA-Opel merger is a great idea for these purposes. Use Opel to turn Peugeot into a German problem is a surefire way to get a deal done.

      • 0 avatar
        28-Cars-Later

        “Use Opel to turn Peugeot into a German problem is a surefire way to get a deal done.”

        Spot on!

      • 0 avatar
        Lampredi

        “Use Opel to turn Peugeot into a German problem is a surefire way to get a deal done.”

        And I thought the deal was a way for GM to turn Opel into Peugeot’s problem… but then again, who knows these days…

      • 0 avatar
        Seán Moloney

        “The Swedes threw money at Saab in an effort to get it sold off.”

        Really?

        Because I remember that Sweden was one of the only countries that did not bail out its auto industry. The enterprise minister said something like GM was big enough to take care of itself and they would not loan them any money.

        Then when it looked like Saab was being wound down by GM there was public pressure for the government to buy Saab and the minister said something along the lines of the government will not own car companies.

        The only money Saab got (if I remember correctly) was from the EIB, and I think they had only used half of that money before they went bankrupt. The Swedish government guaranteed the loan and when Saab went bankrupt took ownership of Saab Automobile Parts, one of Saab’s subsidiaries which it now owns and operates as a separate company.

    • 0 avatar

      The bailout is supposedly allowed, since it is for PSA’s lending arm, Banque PSA Finance, and not their core automotive business. Complaints from VW/Ford not withstanding, the bailout will happen. We are talking about a company 16% larger than Honda. The rescue is inevitable with 210,000 global employees and 100,000 in France alone. Like PCH mentioned, I expect GM and PSA to create a separate JV unit combining Opel/Vauxall and Peugeot/Citroen. Now it can be Europe’s problem. Without access to GM’s $35B cash, this JV will either sink without taking the parent companies down, or will recover with the Govts and Unions coming in terms with reality and accepting job cuts. I think the JV plan will be kept under wraps until the bailout is received. The French govt is not going to bailout PSA, not when they have access to GM’s $35B, nor are Opel’s Unions agreeing to job cuts as long as GM continues to remain profitable as a whole. A JV leveraged equally between France and Germany is not going to face any issues gaining future aid if necessary. Opel, Vauxhall, Peugeot and Citroen can either sink or swim on their own.

  • avatar
    el scotto

    I’m thinking huge “fuel economy/alternative energy” research grants. A massive EU boondoggle, all the car makers get to line up at the cash trough, and EU bureaucrats have employment. Oh wait, someone will have to pay for that.

  • avatar
    Robert.Walter

    Doesn’t the method work differently?

    Pay despite protests.

    Wait until Legal challenge is brought to EU commission.

    Wait until EU says loans were illegal and then recall payment.

    In the meantime buy the helped out company breathing space by slow walking the process and hoping the company can recover.

    I’m not sure the EU has to approve a loan program before the money is disbursed, but I could be wrong…

  • avatar
    jim brewer

    Well, of course the Germans are fairly hypocritical. As to Germany, the Euro is a cheap currency, giving them an unnatural advantage in their exports. If Germany still had the D-Mark they would be hurting cowboys too.

    Sure these things are unsustainable long-term. That’s just a given. The real problem is the idiotic austerity policies of the EU countries which is giving them a double dip recession and making it so that nobody can afford a car.

    • 0 avatar
      th009

      … whereas in the US everybody can afford a car. Because the deficit and the debt will crush your children and grandchildren, not you, after all.

      Yes, those Europeans are really stupid and thinking only short-term, aren’t they?


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