By on October 24, 2012

Can’t bear the thought of another faux crossover? Too bad, we’re probably getting something like this when the next-generation Fit rolls around.

This is the Honda Fit Twist. It’s been developed expressly for the Brazilian market, but it’s a good clue as to what we can expect from the next-generation Fit-based crossover that’s all but set in stone for North America. The Twist’s changes are all cosmetic; no suspension or powertrain changes have been made.

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30 Comments on “Honda Fit Twist Debuts In Sao Paulo...”


  • avatar

    The aventureiro treatment is much too restrained on this car. Doubt Brazilians will notice. Must be much more in your face. Just witness the aventureiro versions brought to us by the originators of this lamentable trend, Fiat Strada, Weekend, Uno.

    We are not a subtle people.

    • 0 avatar
      BigMeats

      “We are not a subtle people.”

      Well, as I sit in the land of gangsta bling and 24 inch wheels, I can’t cast aspersions.

      Oops, I guess my name and avatar are kinda in the same league. Oh, the irony.

    • 0 avatar
      tatracitroensaab

      Yeah, same. When I first saw this picture, I didn’t even really notice that it was any different from a normal Honda Fit. Theyre going to need to put on some gigantic wheels, some more plastic cladding, and some flare around the wheels. It will look ugly, but it will sell.

      Honestly, the Fit doesnt lend itself well to SUV-ization. it just looks too much like a minivan for it to work.

    • 0 avatar
      ClutchCarGo

      “We are not a subtle people.”

      Given what I’ve seen of the Rio beach scene this is very true.

    • 0 avatar
      MrWhopee

      I agree, it’s hardly lifted at all. They should really put it on a stilt! At the very least, make the wheel bigger and more aggressive.

      • 0 avatar
        Tinker

        When I was last in Rio in 1975, and observed the citizens of downtown Rio de Janeiro, I found them to be entirely too restrained for my tastes. Sao Paulo was even more boring, conservative, restrained. Of course I was 23 at the time, and looking mostly for good looking women to talk to, so that may have had a lot to do with it. Nice people, very nice city, all in all.

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    Nick 2012

    It looks like the Fit Twist has a slightly raised ride height in other pictures on the interweb.

    On the Brazil note and totally off topic, I just watched Elite Squad – the Enemy Within (Tropa de Elite 2 – O Inimigo Agora é Outro) streaming via Netflix. Excellent, excellent movie. It gets a 95% fresh rating from Rotten Tomatoes. (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/elite_squad_the_enemy_within/).

  • avatar
    Nick 2012

    Also, there is most definitely an access panel or fuel filler cover below the passenger mirror in the picture. Did Honda re-purpose some Fit EV body panels for this thing?

    • 0 avatar

      Interesting catch Nick 2012. That’s for the small, extra gasoline tank. In Brazil, you can fuel your car with either Brazilian gasoline or ethanol.

      Brazilian gasoline is a concotion where 25% of the volume you out in the tank is ethanol.

      If you so choose (and your car has the flexibility) you can also fill up with 100% ethanol. As ethanol is more difficult to ignite, the extra tank is necessary. When you turn the key, if the system deems it necessary, it injects some gasoline together with the ethanol to fire up the engine.

      Usually these tanks carry anywhere from 700ml to almost 2L. They’re also usually place in the engine bay. QUite a heartening thought, isn’t it?

      • 0 avatar
        zeus01

        Marcelo, this brings up the question of fuel consumption with ethanol vs. gasoline and/or gas/ethanol blends:

        Here in Canada my ’09 Fit gets about 45 miles per imperial gallon (one liter = 0.22 imperial gallons or 0.2642 u.s. gallons)if- and only if- I keep it at a steady speed not exceeding 90 kms per hour. above that, fuel economy drops off to the point that at a steady 110 kms/hr I’m only getting around 38 mpg.

        But this is with pure un-diluted-with-ethanol gasoline. With 10% ethanol blended into the fuel that same tank that gets me a range of 650 kms with the tank topped off to the top of the filler neck with straight gas only returns about 560 kms. With winter-blended gas (even more ethanol content) that figure drops to barely 500 kms.

        Not counting the approx. 2 liters in the small tank, how much range can the Fit in Brazil achieve at similar highway speeds on pure ethanol? And is gasoline sold there blended with ethanol? What percentage? Just wondering.

      • 0 avatar

        Hey zeus!

        Hope my answer reaches your lofty heights!

        The rule of thumb is, if you put ethanol in your car, it must be 70% of the price of Brazilian gasoline. To simplify is 1L of gasoline costs R$1, the ethanol should cost 70 cents of real. AT this proportion you get the same range with ethanol versus gasoline.

        In my neck of the woods in Brazil, gas costs from R$2,59 to R$2,79 per liter and ethanol costs from R$2,02 to about R$2,09 per liter. So its not economically viable.

        As to make-up, over the last years, the guv has mandated a 22% addition of ethanol to gasoline. As nobody is buying ethanol, there is a glut and the guv has upped the percentage to 25%. There’s of course, a little detail here. The guv allows a variation of 2%. So in the near future our gasoline will have anywhere from 23 to 27% ethanol. Everybody’s consumption will worsen.

        As to range, the general rule is the thumb. If your car went 10 km/l on the highway, with ethanol expect 7km/l. So as you can see, without ethanol in the gasoline, any car would be much more economic. Readers of this site always are dismayed by my consumption figures for the cars I review. they forget to keep in mind the above reality.

        Conversely, with ethanol, most cars gain from 2 to 5 hp and a small bump in torque. So with ethanol, the cars have a higher top speed and better aceleration. However, in my experience, almost are cars run gruffer and noisier. I have never seen a car for which the performance was so noticeably better than the added discomfort was worth it.

        Hope I have answered satifactorily.

        Thanks for reading

      • 0 avatar
        Angus McClure

        A question Marcello. Have you read anything on the longevity of engines when you use so much ethanol. I understand it is less lubricating than gas. When studying generators I read that two stroke engines worked best with ethanol because you could increase the oil proportion. I figure it must make a difference just don’t know how much.

      • 0 avatar

        Hey Angus!

        Well, that a good and controversial question. Engineers frm makers swear nothing changes, durability is the same, consumption is the same etc. Real world experience have yielded different results.

        A flex engine is basically a gas engine that due to clever electronics and some extra protection for those parts of the engine that come in contact with the ethanol (as ethanol in Brazil carries water) can also run on ethanol. Makers have also, over time, bumped up the compression rate of the engines. Therein is one of the greatest problems of these so-called flex engines. They’re not really flexible, if they really were, they’d be able to vary their compression. A higher compression for mixes with more ethanol, a lower compression for when the car was running on gasoline.

        All these factors put added stress on the engine as it is never in optimal condition to work with either fuel. This, by itself, lowers durability.

        You are correct sir! Lubrication is defficient with ethanol. This is the greatest culprit of the reduced durability some engines have shown. Now, supposedly, ethanol burns cleaner, so there’s no sludge with ethanol. So in this sense, an engine run exclusively on ethanol could last longer. Though most sludge can be eliminated, lack of lubrication is fatal. Though I understand this point of ethanol defenders I think it’s a minor advantage.

        Finally, as is my case nowadays, my Renault has not seen ethanol in over 2 yrs (BTW this is also controversial, specifically Ford and Toyota recommend a tankful of ethanol every 5000km or so on gasoline and vice-versa, Fiat, VW and GM disavow such practice). If and when it ever becomes advantageous to use ethanol, I run the risk of the extra fuel tank in the engine bay and the hoses connected to it have dried out over this time. I might get a gas spill on my engine or the car not fire up due to some leak. Comforting thought, no?

        As to 2 cylinder engines, I’m not familiar with them. Now, I’ll probably quickly become so as Fiat is rumored to be coming out with a 2 cylinder, 800 cc, with and without turbo for their coming out of their new plant in the North of the country next year. I’ll get back to you on that next year!

      • 0 avatar
        Angus McClure

        Good answer. I was referring to two cycle like used on lawnmowers and some generators or early SAAB, not two cylinders. You mixed the oil with the fuel and just added more if you were running alcohol. Your comments on the flex engines not truly being flex are very revealing. I always enjoy your comments and Aouth American point of view.

    • 0 avatar
      CompWizrd

      Aside from confusing everyone, that’d be a good place for the filler considering the fuel tank is under the front passenger seat anyways.

  • avatar
    wstarvingteacher

    I think we complain too much but suppose that’s what gearheads and other fans do. This looks pretty good to me. I suppose when I bought the Nissan cube I probably passed the point where looks meant nearly as much as function.

    • 0 avatar

      I disagree. The Cube, while certainly an exercise in style, is a cohesive whole. This is just minvan/hatch with bolted on parts and different paint dressed up like an SUV-it’s-not. Completely diffent beasts.

    • 0 avatar
      Freddy M

      Agreed. With the tall body and open greenhouse of the standard Fit, I believe these cosmetic additions add a lot to the appearance and somewhat negate the “mini-minivan overtones”.

    • 0 avatar

      I agree that the Nissan Cube is impressively functional. I happened to drive a rental Cube (the horror!) and couldn’t believe the amount of space it had. And despite being an aerodynamically-offensive box on wheels with a small-displacement engine, it actually got down the interstate very well, as well as having enough acceleration on city streets. If it didn’t look like it was styled by Roger Rabbit, I might consider one…

  • avatar
    acuraandy

    If AWD, not obscenely expensive, and offered in NA, id consider one of these.

    -Anti Honda trolls facepalm…-

  • avatar

    Not to promote the anti-crossover meme I spoke about yesterday, but I don’t see why the Fit needs a crossover variant here in the U.S. Part of its magic involve its fun-factor, its relatively-low weight and its low cost of operation, and a crossover would likely just muddle those things up. Besides, sales numbers indicate that the new CR-V is working just fine for those who want a small crossover…

  • avatar
    Jellodyne

    Gonna need to ugly it up a lot more if they want to release it here as the Fit Crosstour.

  • avatar
    Ryoku75

    I wouldn’t mind these psuedo-crossover if they had 4WD and a few other changes, instead its basically trim and an inch of suspension travel.

    While the 80′s may have been a low point for American cars, I think that we can call the 2010s a dark era for creativity in the car world.

  • avatar
    tbone33

    Changes the Fit needs: A 6 speed, stiffer frame, and either more power or better MPGs.
    Changes the Fit doesn’t need: See picture.

    • 0 avatar
      nikita

      +1 on the six speed, but it the current generation was stiffened up significantly from the original. I have a current generation and it handles speed bumps and rough pavement with no “twist and shake”. Better mpg’s will come from the six speed. I do beat the EPA estimates by a long shot as it is.

      • 0 avatar
        CompWizrd

        I beat the estimates as well, and I use the “engine is most efficient at full throttle” method of taking off.

        I get about 27-28 mpg city on my 100% city route, and if I’m on the highway at 72-73 mph, it’s about 42-43 mpg with the a/c on and about 46-47 with it off… nice numbers for a 27/33 rated car (I have the Sport)

        My previous car was a ’96 Trans Am, and the same route was 12mpg and 24-25mpg.. on premium only.

        My wife’s ’11 Focus does pretty good as well, she averages about 33 mpg on her commute to work, the previous ’01 Malibu did 21-22. She follows the “I’m driving on i75/m10/us-24, i’m nailing it” method of acceleration as well… she just does it a bit smoother than me :)

      • 0 avatar
        tbone33

        I recently cross shopped the Fit, which I fully expected to love, with the Sonic Turbo, Mazda3 Skyactiv and Focus. I was surprised to find the Fit to have the least solid feeling chassis, the least power, and one of the worst interiors. Because the small hatch market is currently filled with great new entrants, the Fit needs to up its game. The Sonic Turbo has about 20% more power, better fuel economy, and drives better. The 3 and Focus are quicker, drive better, and cost less with last month’s rebates.

  • avatar
    TonyJZX

    i dont think its that bad… people have voted with their wallets and they like FWD cars that look like SUVs

    but yeah… it needs 6 spd, CVTs and a more modern engine

  • avatar
    Magnusmaster

    It’s weird that they didn’t change the suspension. This is clearly a stopgap since a new Fit-based crossover for Brazil is planned, but they should have not bothered with this, you can’t tell it apart from the stock model so it’s pointless.


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